Conversation Between Johnny and ShinyUmbreon189
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  1. ShinyUmbreon189
    March 16th, 2016 4:20 PM
    ShinyUmbreon189
    Take a stroll through an dangerous American city. Argentina and America isn't the same. Do you witness murders or even gunshots on a daily basis? Do you have to place bars on your door and windows to keep intruders out (which they'll find a way in), do you risk getting mugged or robbed everytime you step foot into the streets? Do you have people plotting on you on the block? If you answered no to any of those questions then Argentina is nothing like an American city. I'm confident to say, that 90% of people in the hood of a city own a firearm. I'm also confident to say those law abiding citizens becoming a victim have probably killed somebody in self defense or pulled a gun in self defense.
  2. Johnny
    March 16th, 2016 4:00 PM
    Johnny
    Yes. I'm from Argentina. As a matter of fact, I do live in a dangerous neighborhood. Sorry but I don't think that everyday someone saves his own life thanks to having a gun.
  3. ShinyUmbreon189
    March 16th, 2016 3:56 PM
    ShinyUmbreon189
    That wasn't me, that was Jet I believe. But I've as well lived in dangerous neighborhoods in St. Louis (which is 10th most dangerous in America) and Chicago (murder capitol), there was 80+ shootings in the west and south alone (which is about a 10 mile radius in just a weekend) so you can see a gun is necessary.

    A law abiding citizen with a gun vs a criminal with a gun makes them both equal, except the criminal is already disobeying the law. I don't think in any US state a convicted felon can legally have a firearm, I could be wrong tho. I know here (Illinois/Chicago) it's difficult to get a gun as a law abiding citizen and impossible as a felon (legally).

    Actually, a gun saving someone does happen everyday, or almost everyday, at least in America. In American cities, some are forced to grow up in dangerous neighborhoods (ones where theft, home invasions, robbery, and even rapes and murder are an everyday thing) because it's all they can afford. If you're poor in a city, you have a high chance of living in the slums. So someone that's not about that life is forced to get a firearm so they can protect themselves from said crimes. I'm sure if you lived in a dangerous neighborhood you'd understand. America has a major gang problem. You live in Argentina correct?
  4. Johnny
    March 16th, 2016 3:21 PM
    Johnny
    As I see it, the problem is that there is no clear way to get rid of gang bangers. A citizen, even with a gun at hand is extremely outpowered, against a criminal. Because they don't respect the laws. I don't remember well but it was you who said that you were alive because you were able to defend yourself thanks to a gun? If that's the case, I'm afraid you might be a little biased. What happened to you, doesn't happen everyday. There had been more cases of common citizen killing each other with their guns, than common citizens that are alive thanks to a gun (like you). My standpoint is that a gun is more of a liability than it is helpful in any way.
  5. ShinyUmbreon189
    March 16th, 2016 3:11 PM
    ShinyUmbreon189
    True, I feel you. I also understand most of the stances you guys make but it's not the right way (our disagreement with guns) and I feel some don't understand what I'm trying to say. My solution to the problem is finding a way to get rid of gang bangers rather than punishing the general public or law abiding citizens by disarming us for something we didn't do. You get rid of them you get rid of most of the crime. You agree, or at least see where I'm coming from?
  6. Johnny
    March 16th, 2016 3:06 PM
    Johnny
    True. But in all fairness, most people are like that. Regardless of their political/ideological aligment
  7. ShinyUmbreon189
    March 16th, 2016 1:24 PM
    ShinyUmbreon189
    By his political beliefs he feels he outwits everyone no matter what. that's the main reason I don't like debating with far left or far right activists. You throw a valid question at them and they come back with something irrelevant leaving you like, "wtf does this have to do with anything" type of thing. So meaning in their head they're always right since they've never answered the question.
  8. Johnny
    March 16th, 2016 1:19 PM
    Johnny
    Haha. It seems to me that he wants to outwit everyone more than he wants to know what it's right.
  9. ShinyUmbreon189
    March 16th, 2016 1:17 PM
    ShinyUmbreon189
    I read you post right after I posted it, I was sure someone was going to call him out on that one. I read his post and I was shocked. I tried to stay out of the abortion debate but I had to say something about that one lol. I'm anxious to see what he's going to respond with, he probably will avoid the question. He seems to do that a lot.