Conversation Between The Roshi and Ooka
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  1. The Roshi
    January 10th, 2010 1:49 PM
    The Roshi
    I called you out on an attitude I observed -- one that I disliked. I'm not trying to change your mind on whether you like the league or not, but I'm telling you to get over yourself and what you think pokemon is about because there are many different ways to play the game.

    [insert picture of a frustrated person]

    I'm done arguing with you though, and clearly you're done as well. Cya on the thread
  2. Ooka
    January 10th, 2010 12:41 PM
    Ooka
  3. Ooka
    January 10th, 2010 12:36 PM
    Ooka
    And yet you still aren't getting the point either. I don't care that your League is using the monotype aspect, that's fine, but limiting the Pokemon a challenger can use is just not fair to them at all. You see, you're not seeing this from where I am. Thinking about the community as a whole, you're creating a monopoly, giving them 1 choice, follow your rules. Standard rules are standard because they are played by over 80% if people in the world, therefore, why change that? Why try to make people come here, and find out they can't even have fun and challenge leagues because they don't have the right Pokemon, or because they don't even know what "entry hazards" are? All I see H&S doing is challenging all that is normal. Even Marriland, Serebii, MLG, etc use the standard rules of Pokemon, and this is the only league I've ever seen of it's kind. Don't take that as a compliment either, as it's nothing to be proud of. How in the world can it be fun ruining the fun of others by limiting their ability to battle? Like I said, it isn't about me, it's about everyone, and telling me to go to Smogon isn't going to fix that.

    You can keep coming back with these comments all you want, but my mind will not change, and seeing as you started it you must have been looking for some outcome in this. Unfortunately, the only one you're going to get now, and ever get, is that your league has crap rules, and I'm slowly but surely taking it down to let some of my anger out for the fact that you are ruining people that are trying to get into competitive batting by limited what they can even battle with.
  4. The Roshi
    January 10th, 2010 12:26 PM
    The Roshi
    It wasn't that one. It was a battle I watched on his channel. Might've been an ESO match?

    No, no you don't understand what I'm saying. And for the record just because you say that something I'm saying makes absolutely no sense, doesn't mean that it's true. So leave those stupid comments at home.

    I'm saying that there *are* communities out there for the type of battling you're looking for and this is not one of those communities. Sure being a social community doesn't mean that it automatically has a lesser battle focus, but the way things are right now it's more of a social community than a battle community.

    There is nobody in my league who hasn't been on since December, I only picked the most active players to be involved. If you're referring to my league as H&S, then I can't say anything to that because I don't know some of the leaders and their trends. Looking on the staff list, however, only two names pop out at me as people who I personally haven't seen since December and that would be Tsuroerusu and Rabid Ditto. By the way December wasn't even two weeks ago. Maybe they are getting back into the rhythm of school, or are currently involved in something that needs to be finished. Should I watch them for activity and make a decision in a week or so? Sure. Should I VM them with a message that ultimately tells them to drop whatever they're doing for PokeCommunity? I refuse.

    You're taking pokemon too seriously in the sense that you want everything to be a standard battle. If the league has stupid rules, don't fight it if you don't want to play that way. When in Rome do as the Romans do >_>

    "Well, considering yours in one of the only few (Albeit crappy) active leagues, I don't have many options. Or maybe because I'm cocky? I could be cocky in something that I'm not serious about at all. So again, that's just an invalid argument."

    Never said you're being cocky by challenging the league. I said you're acting cocky in the thread.

    Hmm I also never said anything about Cresselia... if you're making a general example use a better pronoun (besides 'you') because that last part is confusing.

    The form of creativity this league took ended up being through various rule changes. They are not there to create a brand new set of rules, (i.e I challenge you Ooka to a 6v6 match with H&S standard clauses) but rather to create a different battling environment for players.

    Smogon standardized and centralized Pokemon, but that doesn't mean it's the only way to play. I mention smogon only for the fact that in being what it is, the wifi battles that take place there are exactly what you're missing here at PC -- standard, cut and dry matches.
  5. Ooka
    January 10th, 2010 12:05 PM
    Ooka
    You talking about this video where I 4-0d stavross? http://www.youtube.com/user/Ooka100#p/u/5/TQnqc24zJHo

    Oh, and greene, lmao. So you mean when I battled him with this team? http://www.youtube.com/user/Ooka100#p/u/0/WxK4cT2TDL4 Wow, he used 6 OUs, and I used 5 UUs. Lmao, again, I'm not worried about a single person in your league. Ckn haxed me constantly, through a whole battle today, and I still won.

    The reason I'm battling your league is because I want to prove how horrid it is. Seriously, everyone thinks it's a joke, they just don't say it to your face because, like you just did, you try to come at everything they say with something that makes absolutely no sense. Just because this is a social community, that has nothing to do with the fact that there are battlers here, and battlers like myself that are going to continue being here. You're trying to counter me saying why I am a veteran here (Which you tried to contradict in your first message) with why it's a waste of time. Quite honestly, I don't care, and I've got plenty of people backing me up on this issue. You just really don't realize how much of a waste of time this idea is, do you? You have members in your league that haven't even been on since December. That's not organized.

    Also, you said I take Pokemon too seriously, I'd like to know how you come to that conclusion. Because I'm challenging your league that I don't like? Well, considering yours in one of the only few (Albeit crappy) active leagues, I don't have many options. Or maybe because I'm cocky? I could be cocky in something that I'm not serious about at all. So again, that's just an invalid argument.

    Screwing the game of Pokemon isn't making an innovative move, it's ruining the game. For instance, going against Smogon (By saying Cress isn't UU) is so contradictory to what you're saying. You say leave the competitive stuff up to the competitive sites. Well, they don't get any bigger than Smogon, so if Smogon makes a decision on the current metagame, who do you think you are to change that? A bigger person that the whole Smogon community? Or to ban Entry Hazards, again, you think you're bigger than Smogon? No. You just seem like you want to make excuses for everything, while lying to yourself about the issues at hand. You say leave serious to other sites, and yet are being extremely serious about this yourself. Get a straightforward opinion and maybe people will take you seriously.
  6. The Roshi
    January 10th, 2010 11:51 AM
    The Roshi
    I used to play an MMO called Maplestory from age 12 to 16. I started in the beta phase and played it all the way through several updates, and watched the community grow from the quaint one it used to be to a game full of scammers hackers and pretty much immoral players.

    Does that mean that Maplestory is a crappy game because the community has changed and the game has expanded to something way bigger than it once was? Of course not. It simply means that I (the person taking issue with it) am no longer fit in that world and that it's time to move on.

    Not saying you should be moving on, but have you ever thought that PC has changed in terms of battling and that you need to reconsider where you get your battles/spend a lot of your pokemon time on? How about that it's the battling community in general, not just me and my *crazy* opinions, that don't fit your style anymore.

    You can't change the direction of league play without making your own league and beating out the competition (which is certainly viable). Battling in the same leagues you dislike doesn't do you any good >_>
  7. The Roshi
    January 10th, 2010 11:36 AM
    The Roshi
    "You come off as the same kind of cocky jerk trying to act like you run the place."
    1) I don't act like I run the place, however I do act like I'm the owner of a fairly successful upstart PC league and that I now run the Heart and Soul league. So uhh forget the acting, I actually do run that thread. Also, I'd really love to understand what you mean by cocky as clearly you don't know what the word means... I haven't bragged, I haven't put others down, and in no way have I acted like I'm better than anybody.

    "You have no say so on whether I'm cocky, or whether I'm a wimp."
    It's my opinion and if I see comments I think are rude I will definitely comment on them.

    "Quite honestly I'm tired of people like you that come in and think you're tough, seriously dude"

    Think I'm tough? What in the hell are you talking about? ._. I know who I am and what I'm about. That's not acting tough or putting on a facade. It is what it is.

    "I've battled people with 10x the skill of the entire league of H&S added together, and of course that's going to make me cocky, because I see that league as a horrid attempt at creative. Banning everything you can't beat simply isn't the future of battling, and I'm here to make sure of that."

    If you don't like the way the league is set up, don't challenge it. Just because *you* don't like it and don't agree with it doesn't make it not right. You say you've battled people with 10x the skill of the H&S league, so I guess you must've been losing quite frequently in those days. You lost to Greene (who is only one of the members if you're keeping up with the math) and I watched a battle the other day in which you lost about 3-0 to stavross who is definitely a weaker player than Greene.

    "Secondly, if you aren't serious about battling, how about you go and turn off your Wi-Fi and battle some in-game trainers. Don't act as though I'm the only person in this for the battles."

    I never said I wasn't serious about battling, but I did say that league play is not supposed to be the end all be all to life. PC is a social pokemon site first, a battling community like... third or fourth.


    "And the funny thing is, the comment you quoted wasn't even negative in the least. I simply said I wanted to get battles as fast as possible, I didn't say I'd win, and I mentioned UUs because I knew he must have some OUs, and seeing as he was tired that would even it out."

    Really? If I interpreted it as a negative I can guarantee you that others did as well. How about next time if a leader says he can't fight right then you don't give him a follow up besides 'OK'? Telling him that it's all good because you're using x tier or y pokemon comes out very negative.

    "Quit jumping to conclusions and thinking your tough, because you're not, and I've dealt with people like you, they're ignorant and stubborn and you can't convince them for anything, and they always think they're better than everyone else. Newsflash, you aren't. I'll admit I'm cocky, but it's hard not to be seeing the things I've seen."

    Again, I've never said I was better than you or any other person in this forum. I just can't understand where you're getting that from. What things exactly have you seen? This is pokemon not life.


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    If I ever quit it will be because of people like you who confuse play with serious business. Like I said, if you want to be all intense about pokemon then go over to Smogon. The S&M's activity clearly shows how interested PC members are in the next level of pokemon. Who cares what this forum used to be like a few years ago? Things change. If we all used your attitude there wouldn't be any progress. Admit the fact that PC isn't some super battle haven like you think it still is and move on.


    H&S rules *are* very binding, I'll definitely admit to that -- but it's how the league runs. If you don't like it simply don't challenge. Make your own league that doesn't blow up on itself like Okutank's attempt at an Official PC league.
  8. Ooka
    January 9th, 2010 6:05 PM
    Ooka
    First off, what's your problem? You come off as the same kind of cocky jerk trying to act like you run the place. I'll act as I want, as long as I'm still within the rules, which I am. You have no say so on whether I'm cocky, or whether I'm a wimp. And I have been battling here for a long time, and you must not understand, a true veteran would want to save the place he came from. I wouldn't expect you to understand, but before you got here, there were raw battles, against battlers you couldn't imagine, now there are leagues that ban entry hazards and multiples of items. How stupid. Quite honestly I'm tired of people like you that come in and think you're tough, seriously dude, I've battled people with 10x the skill of the entire league of H&S added together, and of course that's going to make me cocky, because I see that league as a horrid attempt at creative. Banning everything you can't beat simply isn't the future of battling, and I'm here to make sure of that.

    Secondly, if you aren't serious about battling, how about you go and turn off your Wi-Fi and battle some in-game trainers. If you weren't serious about the game as well, you wouldn't be battling in a gym for a badge. Don't act as though I'm the only person in this for the battles. And the funny thing is, the comment you quoted wasn't even negative in the least. I simply said I wanted to get battles as fast as possible, I didn't say I'd win, and I mentioned UUs because I knew he must have some OUs, and seeing as he was tired that would even it out. Quit jumping to conclusions and thinking your tough, because you're not, and I've dealt with people like you, they're ignorant and stubborn and you can't convince them for anything, and they always think they're better than everyone else. Newsflash, you aren't. I'll admit I'm cocky, but it's hard not to be seeing the things I've seen. You my friend are nothing but another person who will eventually quit coming here because you're tired of cocky people. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
  9. The Roshi
    January 9th, 2010 10:31 AM
    The Roshi
    Lawl. My problem with you is your sudden assault on the HnS thread. Instead of challenging the league normally like everyone else you're waltzing in like you run the whole place as well as if you're better than everyone in the battle stadium. Complaining about the rules, insulting leaders -- that's not confidence that's ignorance.

    You call yourself a PC veteran yet you seem to lack the qualities that exist in the members of this community. We aren't about intense battling where winning is absolutely everything, nor are we about who the best players are (especially because that doesn't exist in pokemon battling) Take that attitude somewhere else like Smogon where people live and die for pokemon.

    My main beef with you right now is this comment:

    "
    You sure Mike? I mean, I'm using all UUs anyways. XD I just want to get these battles as quick as possible. :P"

    Not only are you saying that it doesn't matter whether he's tired or not, but you're also implying that you can beat him with those UU's as well as that you can finish off the rest of your battles in a jiffy.

    That's not something we do here man.


    I will be opened later as I just got appointed a bug leader and I have yet to create a team.