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  1. BettyNewbie
    2 Weeks Ago 4:02 PM
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    (though I think they definitely screwed up there overall, mostly because Contests were a side quest in the game, not an actual goal. I mean, couldn't they at LEAST try to make her do something that, if it doesn't even match up with the ending of the game to the letter, then at least in spirit by having her be a type trainer?).
    Totally agree. It's especially obnoxious with XY's Showcases, which aren't even IN the games to begin with. Why couldn't they have had Serena's goal be based around an actual new mechanic from XY, like Mega Evolutions, Sky Battles, or Inverse Battles? Because, then, she couldn't be dumbed down into a "waifu" in the vein of May/Dawn (as an "apology" for Iris), but with an even lamer performer goal and all of their worst traits cranked up to 10. Blech.

    This is why the show should've never went down the path of turning player characters into Ash companions, IMO. These characters are designed to be protagonists, not cute costars playing second-fiddle to some twerp with a yellow rodent. When you play as May, Dawn, and Serena in the games, Ash is nowhere to be found, and you're the one collecting badges and kicking Evil Team butt. You can beat the game without even stepping foot into a Contest Hall.
  2. BettyNewbie
    2 Weeks Ago 1:47 PM
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    Man, this stinks, as I really wanted to watch Misty return. And now I can't do it because of some stupid copyright thing that the site is technically immune to (I mean, the CBS app has a similar problem, yet even that at least allows you to watch the entire current season rather than restricts you from watching only a few episodes of that season)? I just checked Netflix, and while they DO have streamings of the episodes, including 42, they're the Japanese episodes, not the English ones (I like Mayumi Iizuka's voice acting of Misty, and in fact, her Kasumi special narration of the Pallet Party Panic was pretty much one of the few things I made the effort to watch in Japanese, only other being the Ragnarok Core Record for MMZ4's radio dramas, but it really doesn't do well to watch the raw when you can't even understand what they're saying). Looks like I can't watch until Easter, since that's most likely when they're even going to allow those episodes to be viewable.
    Tell me about it. It sucks that this is even still an issue in 2017. I'll keep looking for other sources, though. If I see the Misty/Brock episodes turn up somewhere else, I'll be sure to let you know.

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    Probably is, but then again, they'd need to worry about making a new engine anyways, and since they're literally breezing right through Alola right now (I haven't seen a region go this fast since Kanto), they'd need to kill the time (especially when they haven't formally announced or even teased Generation 8, and believe me, if they were going to tease Generation 8, they probably would have done it by now, especially considering the likes of Destiny Deoxys where they outright hinted at Generation 4 with Munchlax, and that was before AG was even halfway through.).

    And yeah, your proposition definitely sounds interesting as well, never did a female badge collector in Ash's group before (we COULD have gotten it with May, but she went for contests instead), and that definitely would spice things up a bit, and since Ash has already done Kanto and possibly even Johto if we revisit that, they don't need to worry about her upstaging Ash in the gyms. Of course, that's assuming the writers even are smart enough to realize the inherent potential regarding that plot. And it definitely would be interesting to see who would become Gym Leader of Fuschia City if Koga becomes an Elite 4 member, since Koga technically has two relatives. And since USUM, the whole Rainbow Rocket thing aside, doesn't seem to have anything akin to a Battle Frontier, I'm doubtful that Ash will just do the activity that USUM had.
    The problem with May/Dawn/Serena being badge-collectors was that it would've been repetitive with Ash's story, so they got sent off to Contests/Showcases instead. As much as I dislike performer goals (and the way they've become a designated Girl Ghetto for female protagonists), it's understandable that the show would want to avoid having two main characters taking on the same gyms at the same time.

    But, Lillie going through the Kanto gyms would be a different story, since Ash already got those badges long ago. Ash would have another storyline in Kanto, leaving Lillie free to do the badge quest.

    As for Fuchsia Gym, I wouldn't be surprised if the show ignored Janine and used Aya instead (although I'd prefer to see both acknowledged). That's an issue that sort of came as an accident, as the original Fuchsia City episodes (and Aya) predate GSC/Janine. Although she's a younger sister and not a daughter, Aya pretty much plays the exact same role that Janine otherwise would've (I think the show even mentioned that Koga raised Aya like a daughter), so the show may consider her to be Janine's anime "counterpart" (just like how Paul is often seen as an anime "counterpart" to Silver).
  3. BettyNewbie
    2 Weeks Ago 8:04 PM
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    Although... I find it odd that they restrict it to nine episodes, considering that Pokémon TV, correct me if I'm mistaken, is owned by the Pokémon Company, meaning they don't even need to worry about copyright issues.
    Because, they want you to go out and spend $$$ on the DVDs if you want to watch any episode anytime for free. That's how all "official" streaming sites work, unfortunately.

    Now, there are "unofficial" streaming sites that let you watch any episode at any time, but none of the ones I saw had any SM episodes.

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    Yeah, let's hope so, I've already waited long enough as it is for Misty to come back and resume her goal. And besides, I'm pretty sure they would have hinted at Gen 8 by now if they were going to release it in 2018 (Metroid Prime 4 got teased at this year's E3, and that's not due until 2018 at the absolute earliest, and it's even indicated it might not even be out that year), and since we know we're close to the end of Alola as it is, they definitely need to kill time somehow.
    It's probably just a coincidence, but the previous three filler arcs all occurred at the tail ends of odd-numbered gens (Gen 1: Orange Islands, Gen 3: Battle Frontier, Gen 5: Decolore Islands), while the even-numbered gens (Johto, Sinnoh, Kalos) simply ended with the League and moved right on to the next gen's region. Furthermore, since Gen 3, odd-to-even gen transitions have all been major console changes (GBA => DS, DS => 3DS), while even-to-odd gen transitions stayed on the same console (DP => BW on DS, XY => SM on 3DS).

    When GF switches to a new console, they have to build a new engine instead of simply upgrading an old one, so this likely explains the tendency towards filler arcs closing out odd-numbered gens on the show. The games take longer to make, so the show has to add in more filler to kill time until the next gen's ready.

    Gens 1 and 5 had no regions besides Kanto and Unova, respectively, so we got anime-exclusive island regions for the filler arcs. Gen 3, on the other hand, had Kanto in addition to Hoenn thanks to FRLG, so the filler arc was set there instead of a new made-up region.

    Gen 7 also contains Kanto (and Johto) in addition to Alola if the VC re-releases are to be counted, and the Misty/Brock episodes prove that the show is promoting those, too. Put all of this together, and that argues for a return to Kanto in late SM.

    In addition to more development for Misty and Brock, I hope we also see Lillie grow into a badge-collecting trainer. I would be very frustrated and disappointed to see yet another female lead get put in the coordinator/performer/waifu role, and it would also be a fun way to revisit the Kanto Gym Leaders. I'd love to finally know whether or not anime!Koga became an E4 Member like his game counterpart, and whether Janine exists in the show or is replaced by Aya.
  4. TheUncreativeSawsbuckFan
    2 Weeks Ago 6:02 PM
    TheUncreativeSawsbuckFan
    Nice username lol
  5. BettyNewbie
    2 Weeks Ago 11:50 AM
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    BTW, the Pokémon TV thing only seems to show Episodes 19-28 on Sun and Moon's section. Is it usually like that (only showing nine episodes available to play, I mean)? Only asking because my Computer's driver's currently inactive, so my display's a bit magnified right now, so I have no idea whether that's the result of my computer or if the site's always like that.
    I assume it is. Most official streaming sites only let you watch a few episodes at a time for copyright reasons. You're just going to have to wait for the Misty/Brock episodes to turn up there.

    ....


    I've discussed this with others via PM, but I have a strong feeling that we're going to get a filler arc in the vein of Orange Islands/Battle Frontier/Decolore Islands after the Alola story is wrapped up. The show is zipping through Alola at a speedy pace, and while there's rumors that the Switch/Gen 8 games could be out as early as late 2018, I realistically don't see them coming out any earlier than early/mid 2019. This means that the show will have to kill time while waiting for Gen 8 after Alola is finished.

    While we could always get another made-up region, there's also a fairly strong chance that we could return to Kanto instead. Kanto would help promote the VC re-releases, as well as Gen 7's 20th anniversary theme, and it would also be the ideal place for a big Team Rocket/Giovanni plot if the show decides to go that route after Alola. The Misty/Brock episodes may have been an early preview for the show's post-Alola/late SM plans.
  6. BettyNewbie
    2 Weeks Ago 6:57 PM
    BettyNewbie
    Sounds like you have a busy schedule ahead. Good luck!

    There's really no reason for USUM to be a big seller. It's just $40 DLC, so if you already bought and played SM, there's no need to buy USUM, especially since the games don't even have Emerald/Platinum-level postgame content.

    On top of that, the games are releasing on the 3DS right at the tail end of its life cycle, and unlike previous handhelds, the Switch has no backwards compatibility with its predecessor's games. When the 3DS dies, so will 3DS games, so USUM have a very limited amount of time to rack up sales.

    The closest comparison to USUM I can think of is Crystal, which came out only a year after GS at the tail end of the GBC's lifespan and shortly before RS' hard compatibility break. And, guess what the worst-selling main series game is?
  7. BettyNewbie
    2 Weeks Ago 11:53 AM
    BettyNewbie
    The games also got HORRIBLE reviews on Amazon Japan. I feel vindicated.

    As far as "Alola, Kanto" goes, check this site:

    https://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/

    They're a little behind on the SM episodes, so you'll probably have to wait for the Misty/Brock ones, but it looks like a place where you can watch them for free.
  8. BettyNewbie
    3 Weeks Ago 12:14 PM
    BettyNewbie
    The biggest sign will be how much USUM's sales drop off from SM's. Doing the math on previous gens, B2W2 were the most successful "region revisit" games, dropping 45.5% from BW's sales, and Yellow was the most successful third version, dropping 53.5% from RGB's sales. On the flipside, Crystal was the least successful third version, with a massive 72.3% drop from GS' sales.

    B2W2 were clearly boosted by being sequels rather than a third version, so people who had already played BW actually had an incentive to buy those games for reasons other than completionism. USUM aren't anywhere close to being sequels, so Yellow/Crystal/Emerald/Platinum are better comparisons.

    When it comes to third versions, the ones that release late in a console's run (Crystal, Emerald) tend to get worse sales than the ones that don't (Yellow, Platinum). This is because more attention is focused on the new console and how the series will move on, so people are even less interested in an upgraded rehash game.

    USUM clearly fall into the same group as Crystal/Emerald. They're releasing at the tail end of the 3DS' lifespan and after the Switch had already come out. On top of that, GF even announced future plans for a main series Switch game only a week after USUM were first announced, so much of the fandom's attention has been on that rather than USUM. Many fans automatically wrote off USUM as a low effort stopgap designed to buy time for the upcoming Switch game, and those fans were largely proven right by the reveals and leaks.

    Given all of the above, USUM shouldn't sell any higher than 6.3/6.4 million (which is what Crystal and Emerald sold), and they could easily sell even less since Gen 7 is overall lower-selling than Gens 2 and 3, and USUM can't be played on the Switch like Crystal could be played on the GBA and Emerald could be played on the DS.
  9. BettyNewbie
    4 Weeks Ago 9:33 AM
    BettyNewbie
    Wanting to shift gears and change the topic, if you don't mind...


    I'm starting to wonder if USUM may turn out to be the worst-selling main series release. The games were already destined to have lower sales simply due to being third versions and releasing at the tail end of of a console generation, but on top of all of that, the reception to the games has been rather cool. Even fans who normally get hyped up for every Pokémon game are considering passing on these, and the results of the datamine only increased people's disappointment.

    While there are definitely weak links (RS, DP, XY, ORAS), the main series has yet to have a true "flop." Even at their worst, the games have still gotten passable sales and reviews no worse than "too much water." As a result, GF has become convinced that they can spit out any half-assed game, and people will still lap it up just because the box says "Pokémon." This strategy has certainly carried them through most of the 3DS era, but could it finally backfire with USUM?

    This has major implications for the anime. One big reason the show has continued for as long as it has is because the games' sales and popularity have held steady (though, never returning to the heights of the Gen 1/2 era), so TPTB have seen no reason to let go of the games' primary advertising vehicle (and its primary advertising mascot, The Eternal 10 Year Old and His Yellow Rat).

    But, what happens if USUM turn out to be a critical and commercial dud? It would obviously shock GF into making much-needed changes with their developmental and marketing strategies, but it could also spark major changes in the show. Would TPTB be more inclined to end the anime altogether, or alternately, retire The Twerp and hit the Reset Button for Gen 8?
  10. BettyNewbie
    4 Weeks Ago 9:43 PM
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    Granted, the guy's closer to being right-wing, so you might not necessarily agree with everything he says. But he does ultimately have a point in that a lot of the agendas they're pushing in their stories many times aren't even appropriate for children, let alone families which are the intended audience for those shows he's mentioning, and comics for that matter (for instance, was it truly necessary to turn Archie Comics' Riverdale from a wholesome 1950s-era storyline into a murder mystery? Or to turn Miss Grundy into a cougar? And don't get me started on how they outright scoff at classical values and treat them with disrespect. Such behavior may have even cost them their license to the Sonic comics made by them.). Plus also the fact that they are sacrificing genuine high-quality writing in the process.
    Oh, you don't have to be on either side of the political spectrum to notice the "edgification" of comics and comic book characters nowadays. Filmmakers look back on Batman & Robin's failure and the the Dark Knight Trilogy's success and think that "dark 'n gritty" is the way to go with comic book movies, and the end result is horrible movies like Man of Steel and Batman v Superman that turn characters who are supposed to be noble and heroic into brooding, violent murderers.

    The creators of RiverFAIL are operating under a similar mindset, but with the added motivation of wanting to cash in on Pretty Little Liars' success, so the end result is that Archie gets turned into a mediocre PLL ripoff, complete with statutory rapist teacher. Because, that makes it "real," you know.

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    They'd better not. Ignoring for one minute that this is going to be the first time Alola's ever going to have a league (which would make Ash losing look even WORSE than any of the prior instances before), there's also the fact that the XY writers got into deep trouble after the Kalos league stuff where they were swamped on Twitter with complaints from both sides of the Pacific Ocean over the Kalos league results. It says a lot when even the Japanese fanbase was outraged with how they had Ash lose, and I really doubt they'd want to significantly tick off that fanbase again.
    I hope you're right. The show usually doesn't give a muk about Western audiences, but they *do* listen to the ones in their home country. It's a good sign if Japan really hated the Kalos League.
  11. BettyNewbie
    November 10th, 2017 8:28 AM
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    Yeah, no kidding. Not to mention, I'm not even sure the average Japanese person would know who Michael Moore is, since he generally doesn't do documentaries relating to Japan. And quite frankly, ignoring his politics completely, I kinda find it rich that the writers would actually use as the basis as their movie hero [ie, the hero of the film who ISN'T Ash and his friends] a guy who has a reputation for heavily editing and falsifying his documentaries to push his point of view, manipulative editing in other words, some of which was extremely obviously done (and for the record, even if he was pushing right-wing view points, I'd STILL be harsh on him for that, so my complaint against him has absolutely nothing to do with my politics. If he's going to do documentaries, I fully expect him to be up front and honest, NO edits.).
    I've never been a huge fan of him myself, so I definitely get what you mean.

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    Yeah, no kidding. And that's ignoring that such a practice is completely ignoring the show's target audience being children, not to mention families. And that it makes them look even WORSE due to the fact that said girls are explicitly 10 year olds, which creates a lot of negative implications.
    And, the ratings still steadily declined after OS, so it did little on that front, anyways.

    Better writing was the only thing that could save the show's ratings, and that was never going to happen as long as the show adhered to the same tired formula and let shallow monster marketing take precedence over storytelling.

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    To be fair, even Johto still had some degree of character development especially on Misty's end, like that Marill episode, or that episode where Misty had skill with a tambourine, or even the Seaking fishing competition. But yeah, agreed with you there. They really should have retired all of them when the had the chance (though that being said, they definitely should have them actually complete their goals before retiring them). Well, at least with Alola, we may get a chance at Ash actually winning a league this time around, so we probably won't have to wait for much longer.
    I hope you're right, although people said the same thing about Kalos, and look at how that turned out. If the show still wants to keep Ash around forever, then I'm sure they'll find a way to asspull another loss.
  12. BettyNewbie
    November 9th, 2017 5:36 PM
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    Okay, fine by me. And I probably wouldn't have mentioned the political elements of the Zoroark movie in the first place if GameFreak itself didn't make it blatant. Couldn't they just TRY to keep that movie's story politically neutral at the very least (certainly not mention any real-world inspirations for Karl or anything like that)? Is it TOO much to ask?
    Yeah, using Michael Moore as a basis for a Pokémon character probably wasn't the wisest idea, especially when the target audience is unlikely to even get the reference.

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    No kidding. Not to mention they're the reason Misty got removed. Apparently, Takeshi Shudo had to choose between Team Rocket and Misty regarding who to remove from the main cast, and since Team Rocket were his favorite characters, Misty got the axe. Honestly, keeping them around was a mistake. They were good in Kanto, heck, even Orange Island and Johto to some extent, at least they were actually depicted as a threat from time to time. With Hoenn, however, they came across as nuisances and annoyances, and were downright pathetic, not to mention had zero real reason to even BE in Hoenn in the first place anyways, what with Team Magma and Team Aqua being around. Heck, in Movie 20, they barely even encounter Ash and co. at all, and seemed to REALLY get the Endor treatment big time regarding wild Pokémon.
    In addition of all of that, TPTB also wanted to bring in some new "eye candy," because they felt that serving up a fresh piece of meat to the perverts and horny preteen boys would be the answer to the show's sagging ratings. This is why Misty was considered more "disposable" than Brock in the first place.

    If you ask me, they should've all been written off after Johto, as was the original plan. The time that was wasted on COTD filler could've instead been used to develop the goals of Ash, Misty, Brock, and the TRio and work them towards a satisfying conclusion. As much as I hated the way Misty was thrown off the show, I also don't think the others benefited from sticking around past Johto.
  13. BettyNewbie
    November 9th, 2017 11:41 AM
    BettyNewbie
    Just a heads-up -- Let's try to keep politics out of our discussions, okay? I know you're right-wing, and I'm very left-wing, and I don't want that to cause any fights. We've been getting along well, and I prefer to keep things that way.

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    Yeah, no kidding. I mean, at least in the Anime if Giovanni had members of the other villain teams under his thumb, it would be somewhat justified since it's implied that Team Rocket may have taken over some of the regions shortly after those villainous teams, and may have absorbed the remaining criminal syndicate members (who aren't the team bosses anyway, those guys should stay out of the whole thing.).
    Even in the games, what you describe would make far more sense than "Rainbow Rocket," and would probably make for stronger storytelling, anyways. I'd much rather see what became of these evil teams after they were defeated vs some alternate universe where they "won."


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    So, let me get this straight, they pulled a 2014 Maleficent on her? Well, okay, maybe not that serious, since even in S&M, Lusamine did have some redeemable traits such as actually caring for her daughter, while Maleficent in the 1959 version was completely irredeemable (and would have been listed as a complete monster if it weren't for that quite frankly stupid rule that mandated that we see her results of her crimes if not see her do horrific crimes on screen. Personally, I think she more than deserves to be listed as such. And honestly, I hated what Woolverton did to Maleficent since there was zero point turning her into a Darth Vader figure. She was closer to Emperor Palpatine as portrayed in Star Wars if anyone in terms of how vile she was. She was NEVER the type to be redeemable, and I'd even go as far as to say she's more evil and irredeemable than Judge Claude Frollo. At least Frollo actually took in Quasimodo, even if it WAS to save his own soul, that's still a redeemable aspect to his character, far more than what Maleficent got.).
    Pretty much. I hate this idea that female villains can't ever be straight-up evil and always need to be "redeemed." Outside of Maxie/Archie (who were never meant to be straight-up evil in the first place), none of the previous villains needed to have some "redemption" arc tacked on. They all either vanished or died after they were defeated. Why couldn't they do the same with Lusamine?

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    That reminds me, I really should get those VC games in the future, now that I might be able to drop the boycott against Pokémon in the future thanks to their bringing Misty back. And yeah, good point there.
    There's a planned Crystal re-release, so I'd probably wait until then. I've read that Yellow completely buried RB in sales on the e-shop, so that may be why they're holding back on Crystal.

    In the small chance that Lance returns in SM, I hope he's depicted in his RBY design. That's the only version of Lance that's never been animated anywhere (GSC/FRLG Lance was animated in the anime, Origins, and Generations Ep 3, while HGSS Lance was animated in Generations Ep 4), and it would be a stronger nod to the VC re-releases.

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    Fully agreed, and besides, I definitely think it's about high time that Team Rocket gets taken down for the count. They've been around for far too long and without any true advancements in their goal barring JJM's antics and maybe conquering parts of the Pokémon World.
    Absolutely. In fact, JJM are pretty much the main reason we've never had a big Team Rocket takedown in the first place. TPTB want to keep the Trio of Idiots around forever for comic relief purposes (even though they became stale a long time ago), and they can't keep doing that if Team Rocket is taken down for good. It's basically the same reason why Ash has yet to win a game-based League.
  14. BettyNewbie
    November 8th, 2017 10:32 PM
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    Yeah, no kidding, and while I don't mind Giovanni himself making a reappearance, it seems unusual for him to recruit the other bad guys. I mean, Maxie and Archie buried the hatchet and decided against pursuing remaking the world, Ghetsis had a nervous breakdown and likely heart attack, and Lysandre... well, he's either going to have a heck of a time stuck underneath rubble without dying, or he's dead by this point. Probably the only one who MIGHT aid Giovanni would be Cyrus, and even with him, that's largely dependent on whether you consider Diamond and Pearl canon or Platinum canon (if the former, there's a chance, while with the latter... well, let's just say that Cyrus, even if he could leave Giratina's realm, had absolutely no interest leaving that realm in that version). Plus, he doesn't strike me as the type of guy to make alliances with other syndicates.
    This is literally nothing more than shallow fanservice, a "PWT for villains." There's no logical reason for any of these guys to team up under Giovanni (who himself is badly-characterized just so this nonsense can work).

    Even worse is the fact that their story basically involves nerfing and dumbing-down our first (and long-awaited) female villain into an innocent victim.

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    Well, if he does make a reappearance, let's hope its a good one. Same goes for Iris, who I must admit really got ignored in Kalos. She deserves a return big time. Would really work in actually developing her character, showing how she improved. I certainly have more of an interest with her than May, Dawn, or Serena regarding returns (only one who ranks higher is Misty).
    If Dawn can get shoehorned into BW, despite neither contests or her game counterpart having any presence in the Gen 5 games, then Iris can certainly show up in SM, especially with all the new Dragon types in the games.

    While Lance got cheated out of appearing in the Alola games, he's still in the VC re-releases, and it's very evident that Misty and Brock were (at least partly) brought back to promote those. Check out Misty's Mega Evolution pose, for example:



    Look familiar?



    And, this swimsuit she wears while swimming with Lana? Exact same one from the above sprite.

    And, this, of course, needs no explanation:





    Why else would the show toss in those direct RB references if not to promote the VC re-releases?

    Given the above, I'd say that Lance has a sliver of hope, especially now that GS have been re-released. He was a central figure in helping the protagonist take town Team Rocket in Gen 2, so if the show goes in the direction of a major plot involving Giovanni and Team Rocket (in place of USUM's "Rainbow Rocket" nonsense), then that would be a good enough reason to bring back the Dragon Master and Pokémon G-Man. Add in an Iris cameo (so we can finally see an aspiring Dragon Master actually meet THE Dragon Master), and we're good to go.

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    Or in the case of Ghetsis, was arrested. And yeah, they probably should have an arc dealing Team Rocket (JUST Team Rocket, I should add), and by that I mean the organization as a whole. Let's face it, Ash hasn't exactly dealt with the organization as a whole (or ESPECIALLY Giovanni) much. Pretty much the only times they've directly encountered each other was the Mt. Quena incident and Best Wishes (and he outright lost to him in the latter). They should resolve that one, especially if they end up having Ash win Alola this time around.
    The Lake of Rage episodes were another instance where Ash & Co. dealt with Team Rocket as an organization, though still not Giovanni directly.

    Given that Giovanni/TR have been a presence in the show since Day One (for better or worse) and the fact that "Rainbow Rocket" is primarily centered around Giovanni/TR, it makes sense to do a big Team Rocket storyline in place of what USUM are doing. Maybe, it could even involve Ash and the classmates going to Kanto (and possibly Johto) as a nod to the VC re-releases and Lillie traveling there at the end of SM.

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    I must admit, I think this is the first generation to actually include new Pokémon within a generation, and not simply wait until the next generation to introduce new Pokémon (actual new Pokémon I mean, not simply new forms of already present Pokémon up to that generation.). Though... isn't that game supposed to be released almost a week from now, or did that game somehow break the street date? Well, hopefully, they'll do something good with the next movie either way. I heard Mewtwo made an appearance in a teaser for the film after Movie 20 (and not just any Mewtwo, the original one that we all know and love, essentially Pokémon's equivalent of Shadow the Hedgehog before Shadow himself was even an idea.).
    Someone who got an early review copy datamined and leaked the games.

    Here's the new Pokémon. (Look down at the far bottom left.) Can you say Lucario III? It even has a similar-sounding name (Zoraora) to Lucario II (Zoroark). Did we really need yet another marketing-driven bipedal mammal designed to appeal to the perverted Furry crowd? I thought that trend died when Gen 5's attempt flopped.
  15. BettyNewbie
    November 8th, 2017 8:32 AM
    BettyNewbie
    Well, after seeing the USUM leaks and the number of new character cameos we're getting (or more accurately, *not* getting), the anime has already completely surpassed the games on that front.

    GF seems to think that nobody wants to see classic Kanto/Johto characters for the 20th anniversary, so we get only cheap Easter Egg references and the most basic, boring cameos (Red, Blue, Giovanni), while a bunch of seemingly random Gen 3-5 characters get brought back instead (Wally, Anabel, Looker, Cynthia, Burnet, Colress, Grimsley). Johto/Gen 2 doesn't even have a single representative in the entire game!

    The anime deserves MAJOR kudos for having the gall to do what GF refused to do and bring back Misty and Brock, complete with nifty new Mega Evolutions. Whoever's writing the SM anime clearly cares about old characters and giving them their proper spotlight for an anniversary that should be theirs.

    I hope this trend continues and we get more cameos, and not just from past companions. I'd love to see Lance return, especially if Iris makes a reappearance and the show does a big Team Rocket plot. Like Misty and Brock, his game counterpart was also cheated out of this anniversary celebration, despite being one of the iconic characters who's been there since RG. He's also a character who hasn't been seen in a very long time (not since 2004) and wasn't left off on a positive note (last appearance was the Team Magma/Aqua debacle). Lance deserves a second chance.

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    I hope you're right, because I just received word via Serebi.net's news cycle that they're most likely going to confront Lusamine on December 7 like in the game, and if they're going to go that fast with Lusamine, I suspect the Alola League will debut shortly thereafter, and since they haven't actually announced a new Generation yet, I'm getting a pretty big suspicion that they may end up pulling off the whole Rainbow Rocket thing just to fill time for the remainder of the saga, and that's IF they're going to go for a new generation in any case.
    I wasn't aware of that, but that is a scary possibility. Still, though, bringing back all the other villains wouldn't make sense at all in the anime's universe (where they all either changed their ways or died), so it's possible that we just get a plot centered around Giovanni and Team Rocket.

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    Yeah, agreed. And I hope it's very soon in the case of Misty and Brock's return. Again, they're going to be confronting Lusamine very soon right now based on the recent episode title announcements, which means the end for Alola may be near (though not necessarily Generation 7, since, well, they haven't actually announced Generation 8 yet. Must admit, it seems pretty unusual to wrap up Lusamine very soon right now. It's barely even entered fifty episodes. I think this is the shortest we've gotten through a region since, what? Kanto?).
    A new event Pokémon was revealed in the USUM datamine, so that will likely be the star of 2018's movie. Gen 7 has at least another year left in it.

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