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  1. weedle_mchairybug
    February 5th, 2018 5:29 PM
    We'll see on that. Remember that BW was originally intended to be the TRio's last saga, and yet the show ended up backpedaling on it and bringing them back for XY (along with resetting them back to their annoying, useless AG/DP selves). It feels like the show wants to keep the TRio a permanent fixture just like Ash even though it hasn't done the show an ounce of good.
    Agreed, we'll have to wait and see what comes about. Good point regarding BW.

    Ideally, the Rainbow Rocket plot from the games would be adapted into a big finale for Giovanni and Team Rocket, with the TRio's story finally being wrapped up at the end of the saga. This could also potentially go along with the idea of Gen 8's main games being RBY/GSC sequels. Since TR's story in the games was fully concluded in GSC, sequels would likely feature a new Evil Team born from the ashes of TR. Thus, in order for the anime to adapt this new Evil Team, it would also have to wrap up TR's story and disband them for good.
    Yeah, if they do the route of the Rainbow Rocket thing for the Anime (or at least something similar, considering that Maxie and Archie have reformed, Ghetsis is most likely locked up, and both Lysandre and Cyrus are most likely dead, meaning none of them are likely to join), that would be a good time to put Team Rocket away.

    (Of course, Gen 8 being RBY/GSC sequels would likely also mean Ash having to be replaced as the main protagonist, since unless these sequels still introduce a new region with a new set of gyms, the show would be left having to promote two regions Ash already went through and got badges from. In that case, what I'd do is have Ash become Alola's first Champion and finally wrap his story up, then age him up a few years and have him return in Gen 8's saga as an older mentor figure for the new protagonist, who would be based on Gen 8's female player character. There, the show could still keep Ash and his yellow rodent around, yet allow him to finally grow up and step aside for a new protagonist.)
    Let's hope they have sequels to those games, true sequels at that. It's been a while since they've covered that area, and since we know Red and Blue are adults, that makes it all the more necessary to do so. And it would allow for further development of Ash's character, actual character growth, and a way of passing on the torch. And they'd better have Ash win the Alola league.

    One common theme I see with both May and Serena that bothers me is that they both had parents (Norman, Grace) who pushed for them to follow their footsteps in professions that valued traits like strength and intelligence (competitive battling, Rhyhorn Racing), which they both rejected in favor of traditionally feminine professions that solely valued them for their looks and basically primed them to be future Stepford Wives (Contests, Showcases).

    That kind of storytelling just reeks of something straight out of 1958, and it feels like a massive step backwards from the strong, yet complicated girl with got with Misty. What kind of message are you sending to little girls who watch this show when you constantly give them these female leads who reject battling and athleticism in favor of being demure beauty queens?

    Again, I'm not saying that every girl needs to be raging tomboy. Even Misty still had a girly side, and nothing about femininity is incompatible with being strong, intelligent, or ambitious. What I hate, though, is the specific brand of frilly, Barbie-esque femininity that Contests and Showcases promote, which is heavily based on toxic, exploitative Idol Culture.

    (As I've said before, people like to counteract this claim by pointing out that there are male coordinators, but it means little when almost every single one of those male coordinators is a prissy, preening pretty boy. There are also no examples of male protagonists being adapted into being coordinators besides Brendan/Ruby from Adventures, who was still portrayed as a pretty boy stereotype and had a storyline steeped in outdated sexism.)
    Heck, not even 1958. I can name at least one female character from the 1950s who actually WAS surprisingly strong-willed especially considering she otherwise had an utter crappy life (namely, Cinderella. And you have to admit, she definitely had to have nerves of steel to not break under a rather abusive life under Drizella, Anastasia and their mom's thumb.). This... this kind of crap actually is pretty demeaning of women and very stereotypical to an unnecessary degree. Not to mention, especially what you mentioned about fashion elements and beauty queens, I'm also not liking the inherent implications behind the Pokémon Contests and Showcases in the anime right now (namely, they strike me as being the Pokémon equivalent of the Fashion Industry, and not in a good way obviously. May and Dawn's future is most likely going to be them becoming addicted to coke, and not Coca-Cola type of coke, obviously, being left emaciated due to being driven to think they are not thin or young enough, and if they even live that long without ODing themselves on drugs or starving themselves or, heck, even throwing themselves out of a high rise apartment, are probably going to be complete mental wrecks by the time they're cast out at age 25. Don't get me started on Serena, either. Honestly, even homemakers would be a far better profession than the fashion industry, at least that actually has the benefit of raising and imparting values to the next generation, and is actually safer and healthier at that. Not to say that women should only be in the kitchen, of course.). Heck, I don't even like the Disney Princess franchise for largely the same reason (note that I said I didn't like the franchise as a whole. The individual characters in the franchise are perfectly okay for the most part, some not being my cup of tea, but the others, such as Ariel, I have immense respect towards for one reason or another). Probably the only way May, Dawn, and Serena could turn out even WORSE than they already are is if they were treated like Samus Aran was treated in Metroid: Other M (you remember what happened there, right? How they turned her from a badass proto-Master Chief type of warrior lady into a woman who thinks she can only exist by obeying even completely suicidal and foolish orders and cowered against a clone of her arch-nemesis despite defeating him multiple times before [not to mention in the manga, the only other time she had PTSD against him, she ended up getting over it], and their somehow making Adam Malkovich look bad as well.).

    Logically speaking, Sinnoh remakes shouldn't come until well into the Switch era. Traditionally, GF only makes remakes when a gen falls on the wrong side of a compatibility break. The GBA broke trading compatibility with the GB/C, so we got Gen 1 remakes in Gen 3. The DS broke compatibility with GB/C carts, so we got Gen 2 remakes in Gen 4. The 3DS broke compatibility with GBA carts, so we got Gen 3 remakes in Gen 6.

    Although the games lack wifi and Bank compatibility, DPPt are still otherwise perfectly playable on the 3DS, so there's no need to remake them right now. However, the Switch will be a different story, as it can't play DS/3DS carts, and the lack of a second screen means that even emulation isn't easily doable. If Sinnoh ever gets remade, it will be no earlier than mid Gen 8, which is still a few years away from now.

    That being said, the last incarnation of non-postgame Kanto (FRLG) is still older and more outdated than the Sinnoh games, so I'd much rather see Kanto be revisited before Sinnoh. However, I'd also rather see it be done in the form of a new sequel rather than another remake, especially now that the original RBY/GSC are readily available on the 3DS.
    Yeah, agreed, not to mention RBY/GSC have compatability with the Pokémon Bank, meaning that it's no longer even a concern regarding whether the games are backwards compatible with, say, SM/USUM now. And we don't really get much intel on what happened in Kanto/Johto after GSC, anyways (probably the closest we've got to that is Unova and to a certain degree Alola with that Yoda-Rocket guy reappearing and giving up on recreating Team Rocket/the whole World Conference thing as well as Red and Blue's cameos, respectively), would be nice to see that. Maybe also actually GIVE Red some characterization while we're at it (in GSC and HGSS, he's mute. In RGBY/FRLG, I can forgive it since he's an avatar of the player anyway, but they didn't need to make him mute in GSC/HGSS). And let's not forget they'll need to do remakes of Gen 5 and 6 as well, since those were dual screen games as well (heck, Gen 7 as well), and thus would obviously be negatively impacted by the... ahem, switch to the Nintendo Switch (if Generation 8's going to be on the Switch, anyway). And good point regarding Gen IV remakes as well. So I'm basically out of ideas regarding the promotion.

    As I've said before, Lance has not been seen or heard from anywhere in the show since the botched Magma/Aqua finale in 2004. This is despite BW having an aspiring Dragon Master with a temperamental Dragonite in the main cast and even bringing back Clair during the Decolore arc and setting one of the post-series specials in Blackthorn City. A Lance return should've been a given for BW, but instead, he got completely shafted in favor of Iris idolizing (ugh) Cynthia in her pointless, fanservicey cameo. Yes, M20 wasn't even the first time that the Sinnoh Blonde hijacked a role that should've 100% been Lance's.

    What makes it even worse is that it's painfully obvious why Cynthia keeps getting shilled and shoved at us every gen -- she's a beautiful blonde woman with a perfect supermodel figure, aka. fantasy material for horny fanboys. People like to say it's because she's the "first female Champion," but if the way that both the games and show have treated the first female Gym Leader and traveling companion (Misty), the first female player character (Kris), and even the first female main villain (Lusamine) is any indication, I don't think GF, TPC, and Nintendo are particularly interested in celebrating female firsts. I highly doubt Cynthia would be anywhere near as popular or as overpromoted if she looked more like Agatha or Bertha.
    Well, I don't know about her being from Sinnoh (since she implies at her villa that she originated outside Sinnoh), but yeah, as much as I don't mind her (her design actually reminds me of Lisa from Castlevania: Symphony of the Night), she really had no business in Unova (and Iris fangirling her didn't really make much sense anyway since she isn't even a type-trainer, let alone a Dragon trainer). Maybe if she had the G-Man profession Lance had, I'd buy it a bit more, but other than that...

    That's what I'm hoping, too. A lot of people only saw M20 because of the 20th Anniversary marketing that surrounded it. M21 won't have that advantage to lean on and will have to grab people's attention based on its own merits as a movie.

    In other disappointing news, at 7.17 million units, USUM have now officially outsold Crystal and Emerald (6.3 million), and are quickly honing in on Platinum's sales (7.6 million). This fandom really *will* buy any old crap GF spits out, and it doesn't bode well for the future of the franchise. Why should GF put any effort into their games if even a cheap, lazy rehash like USUM will still print money?
    Just so we're clear, is this counting or not counting the Virtual Console rerelease of Crystal's sales?

    Well, here's hoping M21 underperforms, maybe that will send them a wakeup call regarding at least the movies. And yeah, I've heard of similar stuff with Direct to Video sales (and I don't mean the Japanese stuff where that's generally considered high quality, I mean the American stuff where it has the opposite reputation [barring exceptions such as the DC Universe Animated Original Movie line].).

    We're on the same page here. While SM has felt like a glorified filler saga and has been pretty boring, it at least has a greater sense of continuity than BW and especially XY had. After XY came and went without a single returning cameo or even a direct reference to a past companion, it felt like this show was done with continuity and acknowledging past characters. Misty, Brock, and Gary getting erased from M20 only seemed to further confirm it.
    Yeah, at least we GOT a Kanto revisit, not to mention truly restoring the reputations of Gym Leaders after AG made them out to be jokes and were badly handled from now up until then, as well as actually revisiting some of Ash's old Pokemon (heck, even REDEEMING Brock's character for that matter). Let's hope now that the writers don't squander this chance at making things right.
  2. weedle_mchairybug
    February 5th, 2018 4:58 AM
    Sorry for not responding earlier, life got in the way.

    I agree. If they just *had* to keep the TRio around, they needed to find some way to make them work with the regional villain plots instead of just forcing Team Rocket into every region at the expense of the current villains. Why even bother to have evil teams besides Team Rocket if they're never going to get the proper spotlight in their own gen?
    No kidding. It also doesn't help that Team Rocket doesn't even come across as even remotely threatening in AG or DP to make up for it. With all due respect to Takeshi Shudo, his decision for keeping them in due to their being his favorite characters was about as short sighted of a decision as JJ Abrams failure to actually reunite Luke, Leia, and Han in The Force Awakens (especially in light of Carrie Fisher's death). Still, if there's a silver lining to Sun and Moon (besides Misty and Brock returning and redeeming Gym Leaders after their trashy depiction in AG and Ash potentially winning the league this time, anyway), it's that Dogasu has heavily implied recently that this saga might be TRio's last saga.

    To me, Ash's biggest appeal was that he was a young, dumb rookie who "wanted to be the very best," and trying to turn him into a strong older mentor type just wasn't believable, especially since he still kept on losing every League and never making any progress towards his goal. How is anyone supposed to look up to a kid who never ages and always loses?
    Agreed, especially considering that even in Best Wishes, they have hinted at time passing (just look at the Bullet Train being functional there, despite the OS strongly implying that the system wouldn't be active until "the year after next Tuesday"). If this were the Simpsons, I could understand since that show used negative continuity, and besides which had no overarching goal of the protagonists, but Ash had a Rocky-esque goal of becoming the best trainer. Though to be fair, Johto did at least have him actually increasing in rank, which is a LOT more than what occurred in Hoenn even if he still lost.

    It'd be one thing if they had Ash win at the end of Johto and then, in Hoenn, had him play more of a "Brock" role to May (who would be the young rookie protagonist collecting badges). That way, Ash would actually be believable as a mentor since he actually succeeded as a Pokémon trainer (and presumably aged a few years), and May wouldn't have needed to be dumbed down into a stereotype to make it work.
    That definitely would have been a lot better, especially considering that her hatred of Pokémon spat in the face of the entire POINT of being a Pokémon Trainer (heck, her even needing to do Pokémon Training as an excuse to travel didn't make sense because there have been plenty of COTDs that traveled without even HAVING any Pokémon on hand. Case in point: Seymour the Scientist back in Clefairy and the Moon Stone [and believe me, if he had Pokémon on hand, he wouldn't have needed Brock and Ash to save him early in the episode]). There has been a Tumblr post that attempted to explain it, namely indicating that her hate towards Pokémon had something to do with her relationship to Norman at that time. Quite frankly, I don't buy that explanation for a few reasons. Namely, Misty and Brock had similarly bad relationships with their families, who also happened to be Gym Leaders, as well (Misty was treated as the runt of the litter, not to mention it's heavily implied her parents ditched her and her sisters while they were young and pretty much forced them to be Gym Leaders, and Brock pretty much had to care for his siblings thanks to his parents ditching them), and they didn't hate Pokémon as a result. Heck, not even Jessie and James hated Pokémon despite coming from a family background that was arguably even WORSE than the heroes' family backgrounds (James' family pretty much forced him into an arranged marriage with a sadistic dominatrix that resembled Jessie, and Jessie had to go around multiple foster homes because her mom died in the line of duty trying to capture a Mew), and bear in mind, Jessie and James were members of an organization that, at least in the games, had no qualms with outright murdering Pokémon (based on the Marowak ghost in Pokémon Tower). So no, no matter how bad her relationship with Norman may have been, it's no excuse for her hating Pokémon and pretty much trashing the entire point of the profession.

    Even the TCG has caught the Sinnoh pandering virus. X___X

    I don't get why we're suddenly seeing such an overload of Sinnoh/Gen 4 stuff in a gen that was supposed to be about calling back to Gen 1 (and Gen 2, to a lesser extent). Remakes aren't coming anytime soon, and Gen 4 is otherwise completely irrelevant to Alola, Gen 7, and the 20th anniversary.

    The only thing I can possibly think of is that they're trying to honor the 3/DS line by looking back at the very first DS games, aka. Diamond and Pearl. With Gen 8 being confirmed for the Switch, this means that Gen 7 is the final generation to be on a dual screen handheld. That's a pretty significant transition since the games have been on the 3/DS for just over a decade now, and it'll be a major adjustment to suddenly go back to a single screen after 11 years, 4 generations, and 17 games with two screens.

    Even setting my own anti-Gen 4 biases aside, I still think it's wrong to shoehorn this stuff into a gen that's supposed to be about the anniversary of the older games. The likes of Cynthia and Looker (who are already extremely overexposed) should NOT be allowed to crowd out characters who have actually been in the series for 20 years and deserve to get their time in the spotlight like Misty and Lance.
    Like I said, I don't mind Sinnoh or Gen IV myself, but it is getting to be a bit overkill regarding the focus. I guess I'll wait until this year's E3 to find out the answer, just in case they do end up having Gen IV remakes somehow (I have my doubts that they're going to do Gen VIII soon, mostly because they would have hinted at it by now), which is the only other explanation for the odd amount of focus (wouldn't be the first time, anyway: Let's not forget that in Generation IV, they waited until after Platinum was released before they released the Gen II remakes).

    (Plus, when was the last time those two made a canon, non-PWT appearance? Misty at least got something on the show, but Lance got horribly ripped-off. He's been there since the very beginning, was the original Dragon Master, and the first Champion to not be a rival, and yet, Gen 7 has given him nothing but the cold shoulder. This is why I consider Piplup Girl in M20 in be a giant slap in the face to him -- if any Champion's daughter is going to travel with Ash in Kanto, then it should be the daughter of the KANTO Champion, aka. the one actually relevant to the 20th anniversary and OS era.)
    Yeah, no kidding. Would have been a good time to showcase him anyways rather than waste him in favor of someone who shouldn't even be involved in any way with Gen I.

    Right now, what I'm expecting is a mediocre rehash of M02 that ditches every OS character in favor of more Sinnoh pandering OCs. Hopefully, it flops.
    Dogasu seems to think it will underperform compared to Movie 20, so it may be a possibility that it will flop. But yeah, let's hope so, especially considering I wasn't fond of what M20 did anyways. They should have done a Path to Power-style anniversary retelling of the first episode, or at least the first saga.

    I still can't get past SM's art style, myself. I hate how everyone looks so round, bug-eyed, and childish, and it really makes the series hard to watch. I hope Gen 8's anime goes back to the older art style.
    Agreed, though I'd probably tolerate it a bit more if they at least allowed Ash to actually pursue his goal from the start rather than forcing him out of pursuing leagues in favor of a school environment. They should get back to the old art style, with the only real change being to add in the fluidity of the new animation. That way, it would be the best of both worlds.

    That being said, I hope we see more of Misty and Brock and get some good development for them.
    Agreed. Let's hope they appear soon. Don't want yet ANOTHER broken promise (and not even from Ash this time around). Besides, Misty needs to resume her goal anyhow, since that was her biggest desire, to be a Water Pokémon Master.
  3. Mateo
    January 30th, 2018 11:47 PM
    It's almost 2am now so I won't get to it tonight, but I don't have work tomorrow night, and shouldn't have much going on during the day tomorrow either, so I should definitely be able to get to it.
  4. Mateo
    January 30th, 2018 11:44 PM
    What happened is I am a terrible friend and got sidetracked :( I'm sorry.
  5. Mateo
    January 29th, 2018 5:49 AM
    Sorry about that, I got sidetracked on my days off. Will get you a reply tonight
  6. OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
    January 23rd, 2018 4:39 PM
    OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
    I think the Spain/Italy rumor will be true. So I at least hope that we will be able to revisit Kalos post-game.
  7. OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
    January 23rd, 2018 4:34 PM
    OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
    Necrozma wasn't actually part of the trio. Suicune's origins are more closely tied to the other two than Necrozma is to Lunala and Solgaleo.
  8. OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
    January 22nd, 2018 9:30 PM
    OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
    Half of Chobu is used to Johto already so I can see them using the area between real life Kanto and Hokkaido too alongside the other half of Chobu. Or perhaps it could use the remaining half of Chobu and the remaining southern parts of Honshu island (meaning filling the gap between Hoenn and the other original regions). Or even just the rest of Honshu plus the remaining parts of Shikoku xD. It'll give us a region bigger than the original four.

    Wonder what the theme would be for them... the non-warring legendaries thus far have been Gold-Silver and Sun-Moon which are actually symbolically connected Gold=Sun, Silver=Moon
  9. OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
    January 21st, 2018 6:52 PM
    OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
    If we see a return to Japan, I hope that it includes the parts that have yet to be used too.

    Or perhaps a region based on the Korean peninsula or eastern China would work nicely since they're Japan's neighbors. Kyushu (Hoenn) isn't all that far from the southern-eastern coast of Korea, so we could see a return of Hoenn (I wish) post game by ferry.

    If Japan, I want to see us going up of Johto and Kanto's maps (which in real life this hypothetical region would be based on western Honshu). We could see the Sinjoh ruins returning to hint at a Sinnoh remake as well as continuity with HgSs.
  10. OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
    January 20th, 2018 11:15 PM
    OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
    Likely not until the Sinnoh remakes (which in part will have it as a reference to the seasonal change between DP and P)
  11. OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
    January 20th, 2018 11:14 PM
    OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
    That's true.

    And if the Region is Spain or Italy then we likely won't see Seasons again.
  12. OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
    January 19th, 2018 5:56 PM
    OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
    That's true...

    And not to mention all the fact that Gen V and VI have only one Mega each while VII has none (and if the rumors are true, that will apply to VIII too... unless if a Sinnoh remake fixes that (but them bringing back a feature for the remakes (which aren't related to the originals) would be kind of odd... sure HgSs brought back Pokemon following, but that feature was teased in Amity Park in DPP...))
  13. Mateo
    January 19th, 2018 2:09 PM
    for sure, haha
  14. Mateo
    January 19th, 2018 1:32 PM
    Yeah, between my real job, my forum job, and real life stuff it's been a pretty busy few weeks lol! I think things are starting to calm down now, though. *knock on wood*
  15. OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
    January 18th, 2018 7:23 PM
    OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
    Wonder if they'll add a new mechanic in the 8th Gen again.

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