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  1. BettyNewbie
    April 9th, 2018 7:45 PM
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    Yeah, no kidding. Though at least Tracey got a mention in Best Wishes. And hopefully, if they do have Gary come back, they don't have him beat Ash again (not that I don't want him to be weak, but he retired from doing any leagues, and I personally wasn't too fond of how he beat Ash after Battle Frontier due to him retiring from being a trainer to do the family business of being a Pokémon Researcher).
    TBH, I wasn't fond of the way they had Gary retire from battling and become a researcher. There's nothing wrong with him following in his grandfather's footsteps, but the way they handled it gave the impression that they were only doing it to write him out of the series for good (which is pretty much what happened). If Gary and Tracey are any indication, going to work in a lab seems to be a Point of No Return for a character. :frown:

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    Agreed, not to mention it would have truly allowed more expansion on the various characters goals. I definitely think that would have been a good idea, certainly much better than what we've currently got.
    Yup. :nod: The Orange Islands already showed that Brock was the most expendable of the original trio (and his total uselessness in Johto didn't prove otherwise), and Brendan/Lucas were very conveniently given NPC roles in their respective games that could've easily replaced his. That would've been the logical way to go instead of kicking Misty out in favor of some fresh "eye candy." :rolleyes2:

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    True, but on the other hand, we could have at least gotten a cameo from Misty regarding the Pokémon World Conference in BW (skipping that was definitely one of Best Wishes' worst mistakes. That would have been a grand opportunity to bring her back, heck, most of the old cast back for that matter. I don't know why they completely ignored such a golden opportunity the games provided them with).
    Totally agreed. In this alternate version of the anime, I would've brought back all of the past companions and rivals for the PWT. Ignoring that in favor of pointless Sinnoh pandering was a huge mistake on BW's part.

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    Ugh, no kidding. It's already bad enough that the anime does that, but the games too? They're sexualizing kids? You'd think after what happened earlier that they'd learn to quit doing that. Well, when Gen VIII comes out, we'll see if they'll stop.
    I'm almost certain the games picked it up from the show. :rolleyes2: After AG had decent success with it's own sexualized version of May, GF decided to design the next girl explicitly with fanservice in mind, hence Dawn and her miniskirt. Similarly, we got saddled with Lyra in HGSS because Kris wasn't deemed "cute" or "hot" enough to be worthy of the games, and it's been downhill ever since. Female characters are only valued as much as they make the fanboys horny. :pouting:

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    Honestly, I've never been a big fan of Jersey Shore, but having a 12 year old be that... ugh. Probably what's worse is that it's guys being that as well... This really needs to stop, stat.
    Yeah, that's not exactly the kind of "equality" I want to see. :frown: I'll fully admit that I find Gary and Emerald Brendan to be cute, but nothing more than that as long as they are still underage. Let preteens still be preteens, regardless of gender or sexual orientation.

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    Yeah, agreed, especially if the rumors are true and Zeraora's going to debut on that April 9 trailer for the film.
    Well, the cat's out of the bag. With the last new Pokémon revealed, end of Gen 7 should be near now.

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    Yeah, no kidding, it's a shame that had to happen, to Misty and especially to Togepi (though that being said, poor development aside, they still had a far better done relationship than May and Manaphy did). Still, at least Togepi doesn't erase people for sheer laughs, unlike Zeno (and the reason I made the comparison is because the characters are actually voiced by the same voice actress in Japan).
    Am I the only one who found it a punch in the gut that Dawn was the one to end up with a Togekiss when Togepi's line had forever been associated with Misty? What a huge missed opportunity to never see Misty's baby grow up to be big and strong. :frown:

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    So far, the only game that might be on the lookout is Pokémon Rumble due to updating trademarks. Even there, nothing is confirmed (and I'm not sure if that impacts Generation VIII's release in any case).
    Yeah, Rumble is just a throwaway freemium game, so there's nothing to worry about there. So far, it doesn't look like there's a new PMD immediately on the horizon, which is good.
  2. BettyNewbie
    March 21st, 2018 8:17 PM
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    Well, I've watched both episodes with subtitles (at least it eliminates having to listen to the audio track). And they're definitely very good on a second viewing. Probably my only real complaint was Misty leaving out the fact that her sisters were out of town in the first part (though to be fair, that's probably because that came about in a quiz segment that got left out of the dub). Well, that, and Misty making it sound as though she gave the badge out of pity in the second part (it was actually her sisters who did that. If anything, she protested the decision). But oh well, they were definitely good episodes, and more than redeemed the Gym Leaders of their shoddy treatment since AG. And the fact that Brock beat them effortlessly seems to reinforce that, as good as the Gym Leaders were, and as impressive Misty's battling prowess was, she ultimately needs to leave the gym soon, since Brock rivaled her in that area (and it's repeatedly stressed that he's the former Gym Leader). I so can't wait for their appearance within the Alola Region itself, we know it's going to happen thanks to the second part's ending, and speaking of which, we also can safely say that Ash is probably going to fight the Pokémon League, thanks to that teacher's voicing his intention of creating that league.
    Sounds pretty good. :nod: Hopefully, we actually do see them again before SM ends.

    (And, also, could they please acknowledge Gary and Tracey next time? Those two have been left to rot in early DP. :frown: )

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    Something like that. I probably could tolerate it if they at least kept the art style, but the two combined, sorry, I'd rather spare my ears.
    Uggggh, I hate SM's art style so much. X___X I get that it's cheaper and allows for more fluid animation, but I just can't get over how round and blob-like everyone looks. Hopefully, it's a one-time deal for this generation, and Gen 8 returns to a clean, sharp style more like XY's.

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    No kidding. Seriously, I honestly can't see why they can't have Ash just mentor the new male protagonist, which would be something that actually would work in a relationship standpoint. He's not even a Coordinator, so he's pretty much divorced in chemistry from May and Dawn for that reason alone (and don't get me started on Serena, of whom males are persona non grata from Showcases). Plus, I wouldn't feel like an idiot naming the new character "Ash" in Hoenn and Sinnoh.
    If they just *had* to keep Ash as the badge-collecting protagonist past Johto, one thing they could've at least done with Hoenn/Sinnoh was replace Brock with Brendan/Lucas in their NPC roles (where they're professor's assistants) while May/Dawn collected badges and acted as Ash's rivals. That way, Ash and Misty could've stuck around, and the Hoenn/Sinnoh protagonists would've neither been ignored or put in roles that don't reflect their game roles.

    (Note, though, that Lucas has a younger sister in the games when he's an NPC, so expect an annoying little kid to be trailing him, ala. Max/Bonnie. Maybe they could've used her as someone for Misty to bond with and act as a role model for.)

    However, even in this alternate scenario, I think BW would've still featured the Ash/Iris/Cilan trio. I think TPTB would've always gone for a full reset in Unova, and since the BW/B2W2 protagonists don't appear in major NPC roles when you don't play as them, I think they would've always been left out of the show.

    XY, on the other hand, I think would've gone with Korrina as the main female companion (with mastering Mega Evolution as her goal) and Calem as a retread of Brendan/Lucas. Serena, of course, would've been Ash's rival, just like May/Dawn.

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    I agree, it's indeed very gross. 16 year olds, heck, 20 year olds, I could somewhat go along with, but 10 year olds?! Are you freaking kidding me!? This sort of crap is what got Nobuhiro Watsuki into hot water recently. Probably the only saving grace is that unlike the anime, some of the characters were older than 10, even if not much older than 10 (like around Brock's age).
    Yeah, the Unova/Kalos protagonists are meant to be teenagers, but the rest are all 10-12 year olds. This is why Dawn, Lyra, and ORAS May bother me the most out of all the female protagonists. They're barely-pubescent girls who were designed to be fetish material, which is completely gross. X___X

    If ORAS Brendan (aka. "Orlando," as I prefer to call him) is any indication, the male protagonists have also started to get in on the jailbait action. :frown: Canonically supposed to be 12, yet has broad shoulders, rock hard abs, and a bronze spray tan like he stepped right off of Jersey Shore. When he does Contests, he wears a tight leather jacket, a skimpy belly-bearing tank top, and skinny jeans that barely cover his underage hips (and may inadvertently reveal that he isn't wearing any skivvies... ew).

    Assuming the trend continues and "IllusionDiamond and RadiantPearl" come to pass, I wonder what will become of Lucas. Fanart has tried, but his design doesn't lend itself to jailbait nearly as well as Brendan's. Like Wally, Lucas was designed to exude sweetness and doe-eyed innocence. Might he end up kicking the bucket in favor of a new boy like how Kris was so obviously dumped because she didn't look "hot" or "pretty" enough?

    (Plus, GF has a long history of wanting to replace/radically redesign protagonists in remakes, anyways, and you know Dawn ain't the one they're gonna touch.)

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    Will also look out for that. As soon as we get an announcement either via one of the upcoming Nintendo Directs or, hopefully, during E3 2018 involving Pokémon, I'll start planning the period in-between. Besides, Dragon Ball Super is drawing to a close anyway, so I don't have to worry about much else
    Whatever happens, I really hope that they're not expecting us to wait until late 2019, because Gen 7 doesn't have nearly enough new stuff left in it to carry us that far. In fact, all that's really left is Zeraora, who will likely be revealed in M21. A late 2018/early 2019 release feels far more reasonable, IMO.

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    (a side note, but if you ask me whether Misty's Togepi or Zeno qualifies as a hated character, I'd probably go with Zeno, definitely, especially with this current arc where he and his future counterpart simply had too much fun erasing universes to Kefka levels. It actually makes Zamasu look like a decent person, and that's the guy who had a genocidal hatred towards mortals this past saga that Zeno erased, which speaks volumes of just how much worse Zeno is acting right now. At least Misty's Togepi actually does try to do things that are good, and actually did go out with a bang saving people.).
    The main issue with Misty's Togepi is that none of its development happened until Hoenn, when few people cared anymore. That storyline needed to happen in Johto, when Misty was actually still in the show. Same goes for Misty and her Gyarados fear, for that matter. Far too much of Misty's development was saved for her cameos and Chronicles episodes, IMO. :frown:
  3. BettyNewbie
    March 18th, 2018 12:29 PM
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    Thanks. And as of a few seconds ago, I have just watched both episodes. Granted, I had it on mute the entire time (I don't think I can bear to hear what the voice track's like with how the animation was), and I didn't know until the second episode that there was closed captioning, so I'll probably need to watch it again with the CC on, but I've at least met my goal now.
    Not a fan of the TPCi dub, I see? Can't say I blame you for that.

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    Agreed with that. Not to mention, even ignoring the whole coordinator thing that was truly unnecessary, especially in terms of advertising the games via the main characters, May's NPC characterization would NEVER have worked via May's characterization in the anime regarding her hatred of Pokémon (especially when May in the games, the NPC anyway, didn't even mind Pokémon).

    And yeah, it also irritated me as well regarding keeping Ash on, speaking as someone who, with the exception of Pokémon Coliseum, frequently named the Male character after Ash.
    Fully agreed. :nod: What makes it even worse is that the anime's practices actually started to influence protagonist designs after Gen 3. Ever wondered why all the male protagonists from Gen 4-onwards (Lucas, Hilbert, Nate, Calem, Sun) have been generic Red clones dressed in the same blue/red/white/black color scheme? It's so the show can give Ash a new outfit every gen without having to use their brains and come up with an original design (like Gen 3 forced them to do). :rolleyes2: Since Ash is based on Red, they need to be based on Red, too. Since Ash wears blue/red/white/black, they need to wear blue/red/white/black, too.

    Likewise, the girls have become increasingly fanservicey (and more in line with Hidaka's gross vision for female characters). While Kris, RSE May, and Green are all relatively normal-looking and practically-dressed, Dawn is drenched in Barbie pink and running around a cold, mountainous region in a tiny miniskirt. Then, Lyra's wearing a literal pinup Mario costume, and Hilda, despite being tougher and more normal-looking, is still wearing teeny tiny cut-off Daisy Dukes. Rosa has a curvy body and tiny booty shorts, Serena has a miniskirt and thigh-highs, ORAS May has a skeletal figure, skimpy tank top, and tiny Daisy Dukes, and Moon also has unnaturally skinny legs and tiny shorts. No doubt the girls are being designed to look more like "eye candy" for the sake of marketing. :rolleyes2:

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    Hmm, haven't heard anything on that front. And sure, PM me the details. I probably won't leave until after Sun and Moon is finished, anyway, think of it as a bit of honor that keeps me here.
    Ok. I'll send you a PM soon.

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    Yeah, no kidding. I'm guessing Quality Control was on vacation when they did that ad.

    And honestly, I probably wouldn't mind the not growing with the audience too much if they replaced the characters, all of them (although not before making sure they succeed in their goals of course), and especially if they didn't outright treat the girls as sexual fanservice starting with May (I'm sorry, but I fail to see how that was even REMOTELY appropriate for the age bracket. Then again, I'm questioning why making Brock into Glenn Quagmire starting with Johto was even a good decision for the audience, or for that matter, why Disney thought it was a good idea to make Lumiere into an explicit womanizer despite his acts being very family unfriendly as it is. There's parental bonus, and then there's outright pushing dirty material to kids in an undisguised manner.).
    Agreed. :nod: If all they care about is the little boy audience, then why sexualize the girls? What little boy's going to care about the size of May's boobs or whether or not they can see Dawn's knickers? Most of them still think girls have cooties! :rolleyes2:

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    Well, since they're running out of Event Pokémon to tide the kids over, they probably should call it quits soon. Not unless they want to pull an AG where they had the latter movies promote a new-Gen Pokémon despite it not being anywhere close to announcing the new generation. Let's hope Misty and Brock fulfill their end of the bargain before then, I'm still keeping an eye out.
    The main thing to look out for right now, believe it or not, is whether or not a new Mystery Dungeon is announced. PMD games always come out during long gaps between main series releases (since releasing close to a new main game would cannibalize PMD sales), so a new PMD being announced for 2018 is a huge red flag that we're in for another gap year.
  4. BettyNewbie
    March 12th, 2018 3:23 PM
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    Well, Episodes 42 and 43 have officially been uploaded to Pokémon TV. I have to contact pool companies to make my pool usable again as well as do Metal Gear Survive and The Phantom Pain, plus do any household chores, so I can't say I'll watch both today. However, I do intend to make sure I do it before next Saturday.
    Sounds like you're busy! Hopefully, you can eventually get around to the episodes. :smile:

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    Yeah, they've had a bit of that during Johto as well, especially after Wobbuffet entered the picture (he's a poor villainous equivalent to Misty's Psyduck. At least Psyduck actually DOES manage to take out the enemy when he has a headache and is useful for last-minute saving the day in addition to being comic relief). Still, even in Johto, they still at least had some moments where they proved to be genuinely credible threats, which is a lot more than in AG or DP, or for that matter XY and SM.
    All of this is why I really hope SM is the end of the TRio. Their characters are a creative dead end at this point.

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    Yeah, no kidding. And quite frankly, as you implied with your description of idol culture, using the phrase "eyecandy for the boys" isn't even a valid excuse since the audience for that isn't even children, but grown men who are coming close to acting like pedophiles. And quite frankly, pumping them with drugs aside, Idol Culture is coming far too close in resemblance to our fashion industry in America, the West even.

    Heck, it doesn't even work for May, let alone Dawn or Serena, whether you go by May being the daughter of Norman and thus the player character (as the anime chose) or if she was the daughter of Professor Birch and thus was the rival NPC instead. In the latter, it's heavily implied from her interactions with the player that she, similar to Dawn in fact, was pretty much acting as Birch's lab assistant and doing field work and capturing Pokémon for his research, and had no plans to be a full-time trainer, especially not a league challenger. In other words, she was pretty much a female version of Professor Oak when she had more interest in cataloguing Pokémon in her Pokedex than battling in that iteration. If they really needed to promote contests, they should have made an anime-only main character for AG to allow for that promotion. At least there, we don't have to worry about it breaking the games needlessly.

    At this rate, it's better off if they used non-Rival NPCs instead of player characters, or even their rival NPC equivalents. At least with the NPCs, they try to make them more in-line with their game characterizations.
    Good point, Weedle. Player characters may be "blank slates" compared to NPCs, but they still fill certain roles in the games. They either collect badges or do whatever NPC role they fill when they're unselected, which has *never* involved becoming a coordinator.

    If the show really wanted to use characters like May and Dawn (and not completely ignore them like the GSC protagonists), why not, I dunno, finally retire Ash's never-aging butt and let the game protagonists collect their own regions' badges? When I play RSE, it's May who collects the Hoenn badges and stops Magma/Aqua, not Ash or Red. Last I checked, the show is supposed to be promoting the games, not the other way around. :rolleyes2:

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    I remember seeing a Blue Bloods episode dealing with a very similar thing, only instead of Idol Culture, it was the fashion industry, and a friend of the family's daughter ended up comatose from poisoned food.

    And honestly, I don't mind girls being innocent (provided it's not done as a form of mockery unlike with Will Ferrell's "Elf") and virginal, but they shouldn't fetishize something like that, as it's not meant to be sexualized, a contradiction in terms. Not to mention with their age it skirts far too close to the child porn category.
    Since we're on the topic, have you heard about what went down behind the scenes of this site the last couple of weeks? (Hint: The owner's a giant creep. I can tell you more via PM, as I'm not comfortable sharing it here.) A LOT of people have left, and I don't blame them. :frown:

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    Funny, I actually played Pokémon RSE and FRLG, and even played Diamond and Pearl before I dropped off from them due to the boycott.

    Though I won't be surprised if it being considered uncool, at least here in America, dealt with this marketing gaffe done by KidsWB in some way (honestly, that ad pretty much drove me away from Pokémon, made it look more like Barney and Friends. Heck, that ad alongside Return to the Sea and possibly some shows geared towards toddlers that dealt with singing is probably the reason why until recently I had an immense hatred of singing, especially those done in English and done by characters.).
    Ouch, that's cringeworthy! X___X

    One big problem is that Pokémon didn't try to grow up with its audience like, for example, Harry Potter. Instead, TPTB operated with the mentality that the little kid audience would always be replaced every few years, and any older fans who stuck around were a bonus. This started to change a little with Gen 5 (which had older protagonists, a more urban/modern setting, and a darker storyline), but the franchise still has a long way to go.

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    Yeah, good thing too. Too bad they didn't bring Iris back. She at least had actual potential. And yeah, agreed. I know Iris isn't exactly all that popular, but if they really needed to bring Dawn back, they should have given a far better story justification for her doing it. Even having her mention she's on a layover and mention she's done with Hoenn and waiting for the Kanto Contest season to start would have sufficed at least.
    With all the Sinnoh pandering that's been going on lately, I'm afraid that we're going to get another random, forced Dawn cameo before SM is over. Gotta keep shilling that penguin, dammit! :rolleyes2:

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    I'll still need to wait for them to post something in CoroCoro actually confirming these suspicions, not to mention episode titles, but I think we can expect a Misty appearance in the near future, Brock as well (certainly before the end of the year, which I suspect will be the end of SM since, revealing and distributing Zeraora aside thanks to USUM expanding the Aloladex by adding new Pokémon, they don't have anything else to cover for SM.). After all, they did promise to visit Alola, and they might as well tie up that loose end (and hopefully, after Alola, Misty will actually be allowed to resume her goal, whether she rejoins Ash or not).
    I hope this year will be the last for SM, because this show will turn into an even worse fillerfest than mid-Johto if we have to wait until the latter half of 2019 for Gen 8. SM is already a glorified filler arc to begin with, and this gen has very little left in it to promote. It's not like the last four gens where we got either remakes (FRLG, HGSS, ORAS) or sequels (B2W2) to extend the gen for an extra year or two. This time, all we got were a main pair (SM) and a third version (USUM), which doesn't give you much material for a 3 or 4 year generation.
  5. weedle_mchairybug
    March 10th, 2018 6:33 AM
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    Well, Episodes 42 and 43 have officially been uploaded to Pokémon TV. I have to contact pool companies to make my pool usable again as well as do Metal Gear Survive and The Phantom Pain, plus do any household chores, so I can't say I'll watch both today. However, I do intend to make sure I do it before next Saturday.

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    As I've said before, even by Johto the TRio had started to wear out their welcome (Wobbuffet seemed to be the shark-jumping point for them -- once they had an annoying gag Pokémon with them, it became impossible to ever take them seriously), and after that, it became painfully obvious that the only reason they stuck around was for comic relief and episode filler.
    Yeah, they've had a bit of that during Johto as well, especially after Wobbuffet entered the picture (he's a poor villainous equivalent to Misty's Psyduck. At least Psyduck actually DOES manage to take out the enemy when he has a headache and is useful for last-minute saving the day in addition to being comic relief). Still, even in Johto, they still at least had some moments where they proved to be genuinely credible threats, which is a lot more than in AG or DP, or for that matter XY and SM.

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    The "boys need new eye candy" mentality is the entire backbone of Japan's idol industry, so it's no surprise that the girl-swapping also went along with an idol-based goal (ie. Contests/Performances) being introduced into the show. Idol groups literally don't exist for any other reason than providing "eye candy" for perverted men, and members constantly get dumped and swapped out to keep things "fresh." These young women are considered disposable and interchangeable.

    Sadly, it seems like the only time we can get female leads on this show who aren't shallow eye candy is when they're based on NPCs rather than player characters, ala. Misty, Iris, and Lillie. Since Ash is still around and collecting badges, characters like May, Dawn, and Serena can't as well, so they get stuck with a "girl alternative" in the form of Contests/Showcases, as this show literally cannot think of anything else to do with female leads based on player characters.

    I could sort-of buy doing it with May since she was from the generation that first introduced Contests, but there's no excuse for Dawn and Serena. When you don't play as her in DPPt, Dawn is a smart girl who works for Professor Rowan and studies evolution with him, while Serena is a powerful trainer with a Mega Absol when you don't play as her in XY. Why not adapt their actual game NPC roles instead of rehashing May's fanservice coordinator shtick and butchering their personalities?

    This is why I'm actually sort of glad Green, Hilda, Rosa, and Moon never got adapted into the show, as they all would've inevitably been shoved into the same tired waifu/fanservice/performer roles.

    I also really hate how this eventually led to game May getting girlified and dumbed-down in ORAS, all so she could be made more "accurate" to her ditzy, annoying anime counterpart. :rolleyes2: The difference between her in RSE era official art and ORAS era official art is literally night and day.
    Yeah, no kidding. And quite frankly, as you implied with your description of idol culture, using the phrase "eyecandy for the boys" isn't even a valid excuse since the audience for that isn't even children, but grown men who are coming close to acting like pedophiles. And quite frankly, pumping them with drugs aside, Idol Culture is coming far too close in resemblance to our fashion industry in America, the West even.

    Heck, it doesn't even work for May, let alone Dawn or Serena, whether you go by May being the daughter of Norman and thus the player character (as the anime chose) or if she was the daughter of Professor Birch and thus was the rival NPC instead. In the latter, it's heavily implied from her interactions with the player that she, similar to Dawn in fact, was pretty much acting as Birch's lab assistant and doing field work and capturing Pokémon for his research, and had no plans to be a full-time trainer, especially not a league challenger. In other words, she was pretty much a female version of Professor Oak when she had more interest in cataloguing Pokémon in her Pokedex than battling in that iteration. If they really needed to promote contests, they should have made an anime-only main character for AG to allow for that promotion. At least there, we don't have to worry about it breaking the games needlessly.

    At this rate, it's better off if they used non-Rival NPCs instead of player characters, or even their rival NPC equivalents. At least with the NPCs, they try to make them more in-line with their game characterizations.

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    Japan fetishizes youth and innocence, that's why. They love women who are sexually appealing, yet still act bubbly, immature, and virginal. The younger, smaller, and more childlike (and, thus, the less likely to assert herself), the better. When a woman reaches 25, it becomes harder for her to continue looking and acting cutesy and innocent, which is why women usually get dropped from idol groups once they reach their late 20s.
    I remember seeing a Blue Bloods episode dealing with a very similar thing, only instead of Idol Culture, it was the fashion industry, and a friend of the family's daughter ended up comatose from poisoned food.

    And honestly, I don't mind girls being innocent (provided it's not done as a form of mockery unlike with Will Ferrell's "Elf") and virginal, but they shouldn't fetishize something like that, as it's not meant to be sexualized, a contradiction in terms. Not to mention with their age it skirts far too close to the child porn category.

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    It was primarily during the Gen 3-early Gen 4 era (ie. RSE/FRLG/DPPt) that Pokémon was really considered uncool. The Pokémania Fad had long since died, but the series hadn't aged into being nostalgic yet. Little kids continued to buy the games and watch the show, but everyone else regarded it as another Old Shame from their childhoods, just like Beanie Babies and Furbies. Being over the age of 10 and publicly admitting to liking Pokémon between 2002 and 2009 was a fast track into Loserdom.

    Things started to improve around the time HGSS came out, and original fans (now in their late teens or older) started getting more nostalgic for the games. The upward trend further continued with XY's release and the series' transition into 3D, and the explosion of Pokémon Go in 2016 sealed the deal.
    Funny, I actually played Pokémon RSE and FRLG, and even played Diamond and Pearl before I dropped off from them due to the boycott.

    Though I won't be surprised if it being considered uncool, at least here in America, dealt with this marketing gaffe done by KidsWB in some way (honestly, that ad pretty much drove me away from Pokémon, made it look more like Barney and Friends. Heck, that ad alongside Return to the Sea and possibly some shows geared towards toddlers that dealt with singing is probably the reason why until recently I had an immense hatred of singing, especially those done in English and done by characters.).

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    I'd simply have Lyra fill the NPC role she plays in HGSS when you don't play as her, while Gold/Kris exists as the Viridian Trainer House opponent (who originally took the appearance of Gold in GSC, though was named "Cal" ) when they're not the canon protagonist (which would be determined by which gender you play as, while their starter is determined by which one you pick).

    As for Red, his Origins counterpart would probably be a decent base to use for his personality.
    Both of those might work as well.

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    Tell me about it. :rolleyes2: Dawn's return cameo ultimately wasn't about anything more than placating the vocal minority who hated Iris and BW's reboot and wanted to see their little miniskirted princess again. Thankfully, it doesn't look like they're repeating the same mistake with Serena in SM.
    Yeah, good thing too. Too bad they didn't bring Iris back. She at least had actual potential. And yeah, agreed. I know Iris isn't exactly all that popular, but if they really needed to bring Dawn back, they should have given a far better story justification for her doing it. Even having her mention she's on a layover and mention she's done with Hoenn and waiting for the Kanto Contest season to start would have sufficed at least.

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    Well, that's promising news! ^^ Definitely ready to see more of Misty. She deserves it after the way the show had treated her.
    I'll still need to wait for them to post something in CoroCoro actually confirming these suspicions, not to mention episode titles, but I think we can expect a Misty appearance in the near future, Brock as well (certainly before the end of the year, which I suspect will be the end of SM since, revealing and distributing Zeraora aside thanks to USUM expanding the Aloladex by adding new Pokémon, they don't have anything else to cover for SM.). After all, they did promise to visit Alola, and they might as well tie up that loose end (and hopefully, after Alola, Misty will actually be allowed to resume her goal, whether she rejoins Ash or not).
  6. BettyNewbie
    February 7th, 2018 11:38 PM
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    Yeah, agreed. They should reuse that plot so they are given a proper exit (and hopefully this time around, they don't have the misfortune of having a disaster occur in Japan that gets it banned). They've overstayed their welcome since AG, and with the exception of BW (which even there, they overdid it to be honest) failed to be even slightly threatening or credible threats.
    As I've said before, even by Johto the TRio had started to wear out their welcome (Wobbuffet seemed to be the shark-jumping point for them -- once they had an annoying gag Pokémon with them, it became impossible to ever take them seriously), and after that, it became painfully obvious that the only reason they stuck around was for comic relief and episode filler.

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    Yeah, no kidding. Though at least Japanese Idol groups aren't likely to take drugs or OD as a result (and for good reason, as drug abuse is not tolerated in Japan. Just ask Sakai Noriko, the narrator of Pikachu and Pichu. Heck, that short was BANNED in all but name thanks in large part to her 2009 drug possession charges.), unlike modeling here in the States, where it if anything is openly encouraged in the industry (Kate Moss was infamous for starting the coke-addict appearance thanks to her very obviously being addicted to cocaine). Either way, Contests are pretty much a dead end job, and if it's anything like the real life counterparts will just result in massive pain and misery. I preferred the Princess Festival Contests from Princess vs. Princess since, while beauty did play a factor to the event, someone's competency in battle is the most prized element. Not to mention it's only a minor distraction rather than a full-fledged career.

    Heck, Lana from Hyrule Warriors was obviously based on the Idol girls (though to be fair to her character, her actual characterization and reasons for staying celebate despite having an obvious crush on Link are closer to that of a Roman Catholic Nun than an idol girl).

    And yeah, I remember what happened to Lindsey Lohan (I liked her in that film "get a clue", the one where she has to clear her teacher's name after he had to fake his death and go into hiding because of apparent embezzlement).

    Ultimately, I find it really sick as well, especially in light of what Masamitsu Hidaka tastelessly stated about why the girls starting with AG even exist (thank goodness that Iris and Lillie averted that trend, since at least they acted their age and weren't exploited). That's actually part of the reason I'm determined to stop that stereotype.
    The "boys need new eye candy" mentality is the entire backbone of Japan's idol industry, so it's no surprise that the girl-swapping also went along with an idol-based goal (ie. Contests/Performances) being introduced into the show. Idol groups literally don't exist for any other reason than providing "eye candy" for perverted men, and members constantly get dumped and swapped out to keep things "fresh." These young women are considered disposable and interchangeable.

    Sadly, it seems like the only time we can get female leads on this show who aren't shallow eye candy is when they're based on NPCs rather than player characters, ala. Misty, Iris, and Lillie. Since Ash is still around and collecting badges, characters like May, Dawn, and Serena can't as well, so they get stuck with a "girl alternative" in the form of Contests/Showcases, as this show literally cannot think of anything else to do with female leads based on player characters.

    I could sort-of buy doing it with May since she was from the generation that first introduced Contests, but there's no excuse for Dawn and Serena. When you don't play as her in DPPt, Dawn is a smart girl who works for Professor Rowan and studies evolution with him, while Serena is a powerful trainer with a Mega Absol when you don't play as her in XY. Why not adapt their actual game NPC roles instead of rehashing May's fanservice coordinator shtick and butchering their personalities?

    This is why I'm actually sort of glad Green, Hilda, Rosa, and Moon never got adapted into the show, as they all would've inevitably been shoved into the same tired waifu/fanservice/performer roles.

    I also really hate how this eventually led to game May getting girlified and dumbed-down in ORAS, all so she could be made more "accurate" to her ditzy, annoying anime counterpart. :rolleyes2: The difference between her in RSE era official art and ORAS era official art is literally night and day.

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    Plus, I never understand how 25 is considered "too old." I could understand, say, 60 years old being too old, but 25? Even Dead or Alive has fallen into that trap with Xtreme 3 (barring Helena Douglas, whom I suspect was only added in because we Westerners managed to trick the polls by creating Japanese accounts, or Nyotengu since she's... well, a female Tengu and literally over a millennia old as a result, the only character who actually IS in her 20s is Momiji. The others are generally 18 minimum. The other girls got cut, even Tina, and I'm very fond of her in spite of her more showy aspects largely because she alongside her dad are positive representations of America, which I must admit is pretty rare in the Japanese gaming industry as they have a really nasty tendency to demonize America as a concept and even openly root for people who would be considered scumbags ordinarily [Metal Gear, Resident Evil, Dead Rising, and Vanquish all come to mind]).
    Japan fetishizes youth and innocence, that's why. They love women who are sexually appealing, yet still act bubbly, immature, and virginal. The younger, smaller, and more childlike (and, thus, the less likely to assert herself), the better. When a woman reaches 25, it becomes harder for her to continue looking and acting cutesy and innocent, which is why women usually get dropped from idol groups once they reach their late 20s.

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    I don't know if it was considered uncool to play Pokémon as an adult a while back (I mostly was afraid thanks to something shown in Arthur regarding the titular character calling Mary Moo Cow a baby show), but yeah, it is nice to see it being spread to the next generation.
    It was primarily during the Gen 3-early Gen 4 era (ie. RSE/FRLG/DPPt) that Pokémon was really considered uncool. The Pokémania Fad had long since died, but the series hadn't aged into being nostalgic yet. Little kids continued to buy the games and watch the show, but everyone else regarded it as another Old Shame from their childhoods, just like Beanie Babies and Furbies. Being over the age of 10 and publicly admitting to liking Pokémon between 2002 and 2009 was a fast track into Loserdom.

    Things started to improve around the time HGSS came out, and original fans (now in their late teens or older) started getting more nostalgic for the games. The upward trend further continued with XY's release and the series' transition into 3D, and the explosion of Pokémon Go in 2016 sealed the deal.

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    Agreed, or if they DO need to have Lyra return, at least make her Kris's cousin or something so that she could still be related to Kris without replacing Kris.

    And yeah, I for one would like to see what Red's personality is like, his canon personality anyways.
    I'd simply have Lyra fill the NPC role she plays in HGSS when you don't play as her, while Gold/Kris exists as the Viridian Trainer House opponent (who originally took the appearance of Gold in GSC, though was named "Cal" ) when they're not the canon protagonist (which would be determined by which gender you play as, while their starter is determined by which one you pick).

    As for Red, his Origins counterpart would probably be a decent base to use for his personality.

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    Yeah. I mean, Misty's pretty strong herself, even during the OS. And honestly, even though I don't mind her at all, she really shouldn't have to be present in all those places or used when it doesn't really suit her. At least with B2W2, the World Conference acted as a sufficient excuse for her to appear since it dealt with all the gym leaders, E4, and champs in all the regions up to that point (such a shame that the anime screwed that over. That would have been a PERFECT opportunity for not just Misty, but also Brock and even May and Max to return. Instead, they wasted a character cameo on Dawn despite her having zero reason to be in Unova in the first place, not even having a gym leader relative, which May and Max at least would have had they appeared under the pretense of the World Conference.).
    Tell me about it. :rolleyes2: Dawn's return cameo ultimately wasn't about anything more than placating the vocal minority who hated Iris and BW's reboot and wanted to see their little miniskirted princess again. Thankfully, it doesn't look like they're repeating the same mistake with Serena in SM.

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    Yeah, agreed. And I also hope they make sure they bring Misty back soon, especially considering that, while I'm no longer as sore about her being made gym leader largely because of the SM episode showcasing her time as a gym leader leaving her nearly invincible in combat to anyone not named Ash (heck, she and Brock if anything redeemed Gym Leaders' names after AG trashed them, with their getting bad results up to XY, with XY until that point coming the closest to truly redeeming them.), she still needs to resume her goal, plus, it's repeatedly emphasized that one can only grow stronger by traveling, meaning, for all her gains at the gym, even that won't suffice in the long term. She needs to resume her goal, especially when she's the only character barring possibly Max who was forced out of her goal. The others either pursued their goals or at the very least managed to choose of their own free will to change goals with no outside influences making them make that decision. And since we're pretty sure Misty and Brock are going to be returning before the end of SM thanks to them swearing to Ash that they'll visit Alola, that may be the perfect opportunity. Heck, a few twitter posts by Maasaki Iwane regarding artwork recently may actually imply that Misty at least may be returning soon:

    *https://twitter.com/animator1965/status/911192841610600448
    *https://twitter.com/animator1965/status/911193273254895621
    *https://twitter.com/animator1965/status/911195203729420288
    Well, that's promising news! ^^ Definitely ready to see more of Misty. She deserves it after the way the show had treated her.
  7. BettyNewbie
    February 5th, 2018 11:20 PM
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    Yeah, if they do the route of the Rainbow Rocket thing for the Anime (or at least something similar, considering that Maxie and Archie have reformed, Ghetsis is most likely locked up, and both Lysandre and Cyrus are most likely dead, meaning none of them are likely to join), that would be a good time to put Team Rocket away.
    As we've discussed before, I strongly suspect that Rainbow Rocket will simply be adapted as a Team Rocket storyline (for all the reasons you mentioned). They might even dust off the canceled Team Rocket vs Team Plasma storyline and redo it as Team Rocket vs the Aether Foundation, especially given that the storyline was originally meant to be TR's finale back in BW.

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    Let's hope they have sequels to those games, true sequels at that. It's been a while since they've covered that area, and since we know Red and Blue are adults, that makes it all the more necessary to do so. And it would allow for further development of Ash's character, actual character growth, and a way of passing on the torch. And they'd better have Ash win the Alola league.
    I agree. {:3} Getting Kanto sequels for Gen 8 means that the show has no choice but to finally let Ash grow up and pass the torch, because why have him go collect Badges from a region he already went through? It's a win/win for all of us.

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    Heck, not even 1958. I can name at least one female character from the 1950s who actually WAS surprisingly strong-willed especially considering she otherwise had an utter crappy life (namely, Cinderella. And you have to admit, she definitely had to have nerves of steel to not break under a rather abusive life under Drizella, Anastasia and their mom's thumb.). This... this kind of crap actually is pretty demeaning of women and very stereotypical to an unnecessary degree. Not to mention, especially what you mentioned about fashion elements and beauty queens, I'm also not liking the inherent implications behind the Pokémon Contests and Showcases in the anime right now (namely, they strike me as being the Pokémon equivalent of the Fashion Industry, and not in a good way obviously. May and Dawn's future is most likely going to be them becoming addicted to coke, and not Coca-Cola type of coke, obviously, being left emaciated due to being driven to think they are not thin or young enough, and if they even live that long without ODing themselves on drugs or starving themselves or, heck, even throwing themselves out of a high rise apartment, are probably going to be complete mental wrecks by the time they're cast out at age 25. Don't get me started on Serena, either. Honestly, even homemakers would be a far better profession than the fashion industry, at least that actually has the benefit of raising and imparting values to the next generation, and is actually safer and healthier at that. Not to say that women should only be in the kitchen, of course.). Heck, I don't even like the Disney Princess franchise for largely the same reason (note that I said I didn't like the franchise as a whole. The individual characters in the franchise are perfectly okay for the most part, some not being my cup of tea, but the others, such as Ariel, I have immense respect towards for one reason or another). Probably the only way May, Dawn, and Serena could turn out even WORSE than they already are is if they were treated like Samus Aran was treated in Metroid: Other M (you remember what happened there, right? How they turned her from a badass proto-Master Chief type of warrior lady into a woman who thinks she can only exist by obeying even completely suicidal and foolish orders and cowered against a clone of her arch-nemesis despite defeating him multiple times before [not to mention in the manga, the only other time she had PTSD against him, she ended up getting over it], and their somehow making Adam Malkovich look bad as well.).
    Absolutely. This is the very thing that bothers me about Contests and Showcases the most. It's not something these girls can ever hope to build a lasting career off of. They're only valued as much as they are young, beautiful, and innocent, so the moment they grow up and start looking and acting like adult women, out they go.

    Just read up on the the very thing that inspired Contests and Showcases in the first place, Japanese Idol Culture. Girls in idol groups are literally nothing more than sex symbols for perverted older men to drool over, and their lives are so strictly controlled that they are forbidden to even date. These girls aren't seen as having any value beyond their youth and beauty, and their careers are usually over by the time they reach 25.

    You see something similar with teen idols in the West, as well. They get forced into strict boxes based around an image of youth, innocence, and marketability to preteens, and as soon as they grow up and try to break out of the box, their lives usually implode. Look no further than what happened to Britney Spears and Lindsay Lohan.

    It disgusts me how the show has promoted a whitewashed, sanitized version of a culture that's nothing but exploitative and damaging for girls and women.

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    Yeah, agreed, not to mention RBY/GSC have compatability with the Pokémon Bank, meaning that it's no longer even a concern regarding whether the games are backwards compatible with, say, SM/USUM now. And we don't really get much intel on what happened in Kanto/Johto after GSC, anyways (probably the closest we've got to that is Unova and to a certain degree Alola with that Yoda-Rocket guy reappearing and giving up on recreating Team Rocket/the whole World Conference thing as well as Red and Blue's cameos, respectively), would be nice to see that.
    I agree. {:3} The time is ripe for a new sequel. RBY/GSC have just been re-released, and there's been a major resurgence in nostalgia for the franchise. It's no longer like it was a decade ago when anyone over the age of 10 was considered hopelessly uncool for liking Pokémon. People who grew up with the original games have gotten back into them and are even introducing them to their own children.

    Outside of a few minor cameos and Easter Eggs, Kanto and Johto have largely been ignored since HGSS, which are 8-9 years old now and have become ridiculously expensive and hard to find. The original classic regions shouldn't be left behind to rot like that.

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    Maybe also actually GIVE Red some characterization while we're at it (in GSC and HGSS, he's mute. In RGBY/FRLG, I can forgive it since he's an avatar of the player anyway, but they didn't need to make him mute in GSC/HGSS).
    Totally agree. It was an amusing joke when they first did it in GSC, but after later games gave the unselected player characters actual speaking roles as NPCs, it looks silly to keep portraying Red as a mute, especially when it keeps inspiring so much dumb fanart/fanfic about him being some edgy, badass loner. :rolleyes2:

    While this is probably a long shot, I also want to see the FRLG girl's existence acknowledged, as well as for Kris to be canonized over Lyra. These sequels need to redeem the two great female protagonists that got unfairly screwed over in HGSS.

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    And let's not forget they'll need to do remakes of Gen 5 and 6 as well, since those were dual screen games as well (heck, Gen 7 as well), and thus would obviously be negatively impacted by the... ahem, switch to the Nintendo Switch (if Generation 8's going to be on the Switch, anyway). And good point regarding Gen IV remakes as well. So I'm basically out of ideas regarding the promotion.
    Yeah, remaking the DS/3DS games is going to be a logistical nightmare. o_O HGSS and ORAS can be replaced by VC re-releases of GSC and RSE, but that still leaves DPPt, BW/2, XY, and U/SM.

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    Well, I don't know about her being from Sinnoh (since she implies at her villa that she originated outside Sinnoh), but yeah, as much as I don't mind her (her design actually reminds me of Lisa from Castlevania: Symphony of the Night), she really had no business in Unova (and Iris fangirling her didn't really make much sense anyway since she isn't even a type-trainer, let alone a Dragon trainer). Maybe if she had the G-Man profession Lance had, I'd buy it a bit more, but other than that...
    Cynthia was strongly implied to be from Celestic Town since that's where her family lives.

    Cynthia mainly bugs me because of the way she's so aggressively marketed and overexposed at the expense of other characters, whether it be bringing her back in BW despite those games being a hard reboot separate from past regions, or her daughter getting randomly shoved into M20 at Misty's expense despite her being completely irrelevant to Kanto and the OS era. I'm tired of seeing her show up everywhere, and I want to see other characters get their time in the spotlight for a change.

    Her fans are very annoying, too. They prop her up as this amazing "Strong Female Role Model" when it's plainly obvious that they only like her because she's hot. :rolleyes2:

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    Just so we're clear, is this counting or not counting the Virtual Console rerelease of Crystal's sales?

    Well, here's hoping M21 underperforms, maybe that will send them a wakeup call regarding at least the movies. And yeah, I've heard of similar stuff with Direct to Video sales (and I don't mean the Japanese stuff where that's generally considered high quality, I mean the American stuff where it has the opposite reputation [barring exceptions such as the DC Universe Animated Original Movie line].).
    I don't think the site I looked up included VC sales.

    I'd love to see M21 bomb, as well. Nothing I've seen of that movie so far appeals to me (looks like a poor rehash of M02, IMO), especially given that it's likely set in the same universe as M20.

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    Yeah, at least we GOT a Kanto revisit, not to mention truly restoring the reputations of Gym Leaders after AG made them out to be jokes and were badly handled from now up until then, as well as actually revisiting some of Ash's old Pokemon (heck, even REDEEMING Brock's character for that matter). Let's hope now that the writers don't squander this chance at making things right.
    I hope so, too, especially if this is going to be the last saga with Ash as the main protagonist.
  8. BettyNewbie
    February 5th, 2018 12:21 PM
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    No kidding. It also doesn't help that Team Rocket doesn't even come across as even remotely threatening in AG or DP to make up for it. With all due respect to Takeshi Shudo, his decision for keeping them in due to their being his favorite characters was about as short sighted of a decision as JJ Abrams failure to actually reunite Luke, Leia, and Han in The Force Awakens (especially in light of Carrie Fisher's death). Still, if there's a silver lining to Sun and Moon (besides Misty and Brock returning and redeeming Gym Leaders after their trashy depiction in AG and Ash potentially winning the league this time, anyway), it's that Dogasu has heavily implied recently that this saga might be TRio's last saga.
    We'll see on that. Remember that BW was originally intended to be the TRio's last saga, and yet the show ended up backpedaling on it and bringing them back for XY (along with resetting them back to their annoying, useless AG/DP selves). It feels like the show wants to keep the TRio a permanent fixture just like Ash even though it hasn't done the show an ounce of good.

    Ideally, the Rainbow Rocket plot from the games would be adapted into a big finale for Giovanni and Team Rocket, with the TRio's story finally being wrapped up at the end of the saga. This could also potentially go along with the idea of Gen 8's main games being RBY/GSC sequels. Since TR's story in the games was fully concluded in GSC, sequels would likely feature a new Evil Team born from the ashes of TR. Thus, in order for the anime to adapt this new Evil Team, it would also have to wrap up TR's story and disband them for good.

    (Of course, Gen 8 being RBY/GSC sequels would likely also mean Ash having to be replaced as the main protagonist, since unless these sequels still introduce a new region with a new set of gyms, the show would be left having to promote two regions Ash already went through and got badges from. In that case, what I'd do is have Ash become Alola's first Champion and finally wrap his story up, then age him up a few years and have him return in Gen 8's saga as an older mentor figure for the new protagonist, who would be based on Gen 8's female player character. There, the show could still keep Ash and his yellow rodent around, yet allow him to finally grow up and step aside for a new protagonist.)

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    That definitely would have been a lot better, especially considering that her hatred of Pokémon spat in the face of the entire POINT of being a Pokémon Trainer (heck, her even needing to do Pokémon Training as an excuse to travel didn't make sense because there have been plenty of COTDs that traveled without even HAVING any Pokémon on hand. Case in point: Seymour the Scientist back in Clefairy and the Moon Stone [and believe me, if he had Pokémon on hand, he wouldn't have needed Brock and Ash to save him early in the episode]). There has been a Tumblr post that attempted to explain it, namely indicating that her hate towards Pokémon had something to do with her relationship to Norman at that time. Quite frankly, I don't buy that explanation for a few reasons. Namely, Misty and Brock had similarly bad relationships with their families, who also happened to be Gym Leaders, as well (Misty was treated as the runt of the litter, not to mention it's heavily implied her parents ditched her and her sisters while they were young and pretty much forced them to be Gym Leaders, and Brock pretty much had to care for his siblings thanks to his parents ditching them), and they didn't hate Pokémon as a result. Heck, not even Jessie and James hated Pokémon despite coming from a family background that was arguably even WORSE than the heroes' family backgrounds (James' family pretty much forced him into an arranged marriage with a sadistic dominatrix that resembled Jessie, and Jessie had to go around multiple foster homes because her mom died in the line of duty trying to capture a Mew), and bear in mind, Jessie and James were members of an organization that, at least in the games, had no qualms with outright murdering Pokémon (based on the Marowak ghost in Pokémon Tower). So no, no matter how bad her relationship with Norman may have been, it's no excuse for her hating Pokémon and pretty much trashing the entire point of the profession.
    One common theme I see with both May and Serena that bothers me is that they both had parents (Norman, Grace) who pushed for them to follow their footsteps in professions that valued traits like strength and intelligence (competitive battling, Rhyhorn Racing), which they both rejected in favor of traditionally feminine professions that solely valued them for their looks and basically primed them to be future Stepford Wives (Contests, Showcases).

    That kind of storytelling just reeks of something straight out of 1958, and it feels like a massive step backwards from the strong, yet complicated girl with got with Misty. What kind of message are you sending to little girls who watch this show when you constantly give them these female leads who reject battling and athleticism in favor of being demure beauty queens?

    Again, I'm not saying that every girl needs to be raging tomboy. Even Misty still had a girly side, and nothing about femininity is incompatible with being strong, intelligent, or ambitious. What I hate, though, is the specific brand of frilly, Barbie-esque femininity that Contests and Showcases promote, which is heavily based on toxic, exploitative Idol Culture.

    (As I've said before, people like to counteract this claim by pointing out that there are male coordinators, but it means little when almost every single one of those male coordinators is a prissy, preening pretty boy. There are also no examples of male protagonists being adapted into being coordinators besides Brendan/Ruby from Adventures, who was still portrayed as a pretty boy stereotype and had a storyline steeped in outdated sexism.)

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    Like I said, I don't mind Sinnoh or Gen IV myself, but it is getting to be a bit overkill regarding the focus. I guess I'll wait until this year's E3 to find out the answer, just in case they do end up having Gen IV remakes somehow (I have my doubts that they're going to do Gen VIII soon, mostly because they would have hinted at it by now), which is the only other explanation for the odd amount of focus (wouldn't be the first time, anyway: Let's not forget that in Generation IV, they waited until after Platinum was released before they released the Gen II remakes).
    Logically speaking, Sinnoh remakes shouldn't come until well into the Switch era. Traditionally, GF only makes remakes when a gen falls on the wrong side of a compatibility break. The GBA broke trading compatibility with the GB/C, so we got Gen 1 remakes in Gen 3. The DS broke compatibility with GB/C carts, so we got Gen 2 remakes in Gen 4. The 3DS broke compatibility with GBA carts, so we got Gen 3 remakes in Gen 6.

    Although the games lack wifi and Bank compatibility, DPPt are still otherwise perfectly playable on the 3DS, so there's no need to remake them right now. However, the Switch will be a different story, as it can't play DS/3DS carts, and the lack of a second screen means that even emulation isn't easily doable. If Sinnoh ever gets remade, it will be no earlier than mid Gen 8, which is still a few years away from now.

    That being said, the last incarnation of non-postgame Kanto (FRLG) is still older and more outdated than the Sinnoh games, so I'd much rather see Kanto be revisited before Sinnoh. However, I'd also rather see it be done in the form of a new sequel rather than another remake, especially now that the original RBY/GSC are readily available on the 3DS.

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    Yeah, no kidding. Would have been a good time to showcase him anyways rather than waste him in favor of someone who shouldn't even be involved in any way with Gen I.
    As I've said before, Lance has not been seen or heard from anywhere in the show since the botched Magma/Aqua finale in 2004. This is despite BW having an aspiring Dragon Master with a temperamental Dragonite in the main cast and even bringing back Clair during the Decolore arc and setting one of the post-series specials in Blackthorn City. A Lance return should've been a given for BW, but instead, he got completely shafted in favor of Iris idolizing (ugh) Cynthia in her pointless, fanservicey cameo. Yes, M20 wasn't even the first time that the Sinnoh Blonde hijacked a role that should've 100% been Lance's. >:(

    What makes it even worse is that it's painfully obvious why Cynthia keeps getting shilled and shoved at us every gen -- she's a beautiful blonde woman with a perfect supermodel figure, aka. fantasy material for horny fanboys. :rolleyes2: People like to say it's because she's the "first female Champion," but if the way that both the games and show have treated the first female Gym Leader and traveling companion (Misty), the first female player character (Kris), and even the first female main villain (Lusamine) is any indication, I don't think GF, TPC, and Nintendo are particularly interested in celebrating female firsts. I highly doubt Cynthia would be anywhere near as popular or as overpromoted if she looked more like Agatha or Bertha.

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    Dogasu seems to think it will underperform compared to Movie 20, so it may be a possibility that it will flop. But yeah, let's hope so, especially considering I wasn't fond of what M20 did anyways. They should have done a Path to Power-style anniversary retelling of the first episode, or at least the first saga.
    That's what I'm hoping, too. A lot of people only saw M20 because of the 20th Anniversary marketing that surrounded it. M21 won't have that advantage to lean on and will have to grab people's attention based on its own merits as a movie.


    In other disappointing news, at 7.17 million units, USUM have now officially outsold Crystal and Emerald (6.3 million), and are quickly honing in on Platinum's sales (7.6 million). This fandom really *will* buy any old crap GF spits out, and it doesn't bode well for the future of the franchise. Why should GF put any effort into their games if even a cheap, lazy rehash like USUM will still print money? :rolleyes2:

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    Agreed. Let's hope they appear soon. Don't want yet ANOTHER broken promise (and not even from Ash this time around). Besides, Misty needs to resume her goal anyhow, since that was her biggest desire, to be a Water Pokémon Master.
    We're on the same page here. {:3} While SM has felt like a glorified filler saga and has been pretty boring, it at least has a greater sense of continuity than BW and especially XY had. After XY came and went without a single returning cameo or even a direct reference to a past companion, it felt like this show was done with continuity and acknowledging past characters. Misty, Brock, and Gary getting erased from M20 only seemed to further confirm it.
  9. BettyNewbie
    December 25th, 2017 7:45 AM
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    Also agreed there. And even if they WERE to be retained, it's not like they needed to keep their Rocket memberships. Just have them quit Team Rocket and try to pursue Ash and Co. while acting as mercenaries for the current regional villain teams. Or just go with suspiciously similar substitutes as well, even giving them reasons for going after Pikachu that directly tied in to the villains' goals (Team Magma and Team Aqua, for example, could express interest in Pikachu for the fact that it possessed genomes allowing it to bond with the orbs used to summon Groudon/Kyogre, which actually could neatly foreshadow the climax where Pikachu was possessed by the Red Orb).
    I agree. If they just *had* to keep the TRio around, they needed to find some way to make them work with the regional villain plots instead of just forcing Team Rocket into every region at the expense of the current villains. Why even bother to have evil teams besides Team Rocket if they're never going to get the proper spotlight in their own gen? :rolleyes2:

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    Yeah. I watched Pokémon since I was in elementary school, and while I did look up to Ash, I must admit I don't EVER recall inserting myself into him, and there were actually a few instances where I ultimately agreed with Misty in her criticisms. Besides, I guess it rubs me off the wrong way since with Beauty and the Beast when someone gets no criticism whatsoever, not even when it's necessary (I can understand it if people dislike unfair criticism, where there's no merit to criticizing other than for the sake of criticism to demonize someone, but when it's an actual flaw that needs to be pointed out, I think it does require stating).
    To me, Ash's biggest appeal was that he was a young, dumb rookie who "wanted to be the very best," and trying to turn him into a strong older mentor type just wasn't believable, especially since he still kept on losing every League and never making any progress towards his goal. How is anyone supposed to look up to a kid who never ages and always loses? :rolleyes2:

    It'd be one thing if they had Ash win at the end of Johto and then, in Hoenn, had him play more of a "Brock" role to May (who would be the young rookie protagonist collecting badges). That way, Ash would actually be believable as a mentor since he actually succeeded as a Pokémon trainer (and presumably aged a few years), and May wouldn't have needed to be dumbed down into a stereotype to make it work.

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    Yeah, no kidding. I don't have any problem with Generation 4 myself, but I do think that if you're going to make a movie actually honoring an anniversary for a long-standing franchise, you might as well, you know, actually make it relevant to the actual plot and not include stuff that isn't even related to the anniversary directly. I'd cry foul if they used Generation III, V, VI, or even VII Pokémon as marketing. I'd tolerate Gen II being marketed since, well, Ho-Oh did debut in the first episode and clearly wasn't Gen I.
    Even the TCG has caught the Sinnoh pandering virus. X___X

    I don't get why we're suddenly seeing such an overload of Sinnoh/Gen 4 stuff in a gen that was supposed to be about calling back to Gen 1 (and Gen 2, to a lesser extent). Remakes aren't coming anytime soon, and Gen 4 is otherwise completely irrelevant to Alola, Gen 7, and the 20th anniversary.

    The only thing I can possibly think of is that they're trying to honor the 3/DS line by looking back at the very first DS games, aka. Diamond and Pearl. With Gen 8 being confirmed for the Switch, this means that Gen 7 is the final generation to be on a dual screen handheld. That's a pretty significant transition since the games have been on the 3/DS for just over a decade now, and it'll be a major adjustment to suddenly go back to a single screen after 11 years, 4 generations, and 17 games with two screens.

    Even setting my own anti-Gen 4 biases aside, I still think it's wrong to shoehorn this stuff into a gen that's supposed to be about the anniversary of the older games. The likes of Cynthia and Looker (who are already extremely overexposed) should NOT be allowed to crowd out characters who have actually been in the series for 20 years and deserve to get their time in the spotlight like Misty and Lance.

    (Plus, when was the last time those two made a canon, non-PWT appearance? Misty at least got something on the show, but Lance got horribly ripped-off. He's been there since the very beginning, was the original Dragon Master, and the first Champion to not be a rival, and yet, Gen 7 has given him nothing but the cold shoulder. This is why I consider Piplup Girl in M20 in be a giant slap in the face to him -- if any Champion's daughter is going to travel with Ash in Kanto, then it should be the daughter of the KANTO Champion, aka. the one actually relevant to the 20th anniversary and OS era.)

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    Quite frankly, all I can say is I'm not feeling optimistic about this upcoming movie. They still haven't even teased Gen 8 yet (and believe me, if they were going to do Generation 8, they would have started hinting at it by now, like how Metroid Prime 4 got teased at this year's E3). If Movie 21 ends up being a massive bomb, that only reinforces my view that M20 being released on the anime's anniversary is the only reason why it succeeded.
    Right now, what I'm expecting is a mediocre rehash of M02 that ditches every OS character in favor of more Sinnoh pandering OCs. Hopefully, it flops. :rolleyes2:

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    Yeah, agreed, and it also doesn't help that I'm not even that fond of SM as it is anyways, and Misty and Brock's return is the only reason I have even a slight interest in it right now. That and maybe Lillie. They've pretty much rushed through Alola right now, got past the climax (honestly, I haven't seen a region go by THIS quickly since Kanto), and since they didn't even HINT at a Gen 8 right now, I'd even wager that Alola might end next year. I just hope the writers bring Misty and Brock into Alola before they inevitably stop with Alola. At least with the CBS app, I can rewatch episodes of various shows I watched that I either missed or otherwise missed some sound on thanks to my sound system going mute at the worst possible moments that forces me to "reset" by turning the TV on and off.
    I still can't get past SM's art style, myself. I hate how everyone looks so round, bug-eyed, and childish, and it really makes the series hard to watch. I hope Gen 8's anime goes back to the older art style.

    That being said, I hope we see more of Misty and Brock and get some good development for them.
  10. BettyNewbie
    December 23rd, 2017 9:07 AM
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    Yeah, and that Earthquake early into BW's run didn't help either.

    Honestly, if they're going to keep them, whether as villains or comic relief, they should have done it like how they handled Oolong back when he's a villain. Namely, actually REDEEM them beforehand so that they can be comic relief WITHOUT needing to be the villains. Or, they can at least make them far more threatening and a menace while still keeping their humor. That way, they can remain joke villains and yet most importantly still actually BE villains. The Red Ribbon Army made a far better Team Rocket than they did, heck, General Blue made a better joke villain than Team Rocket, since he was both humorous AND a genuine threat. It's as if the writers don't even know how to actually balance those two aspects and go for extremes even if they betray the entire point of being a villain. Heck, forget Dragon Ball or Mario or anything like that, even Gaston from the 1991 Disney Beauty and the Beast film comes across as a far better joke villain than Team Rocket does, and I thought he was a poorly written villain thanks to the Gaston Reprise having him loudly declaring key details of his plan in such a stupid and reckless manner that should have gotten him arrested or at least talked out of the plan by the villagers at least. Team Rocket right now is one of two main antagonists that are quite frankly written in an exceptionally embarrassing manner that is really unbefitting of villains, the only other being the Galactic Empire in Star Wars: Rebels, which has the main protagonists outwitting and defeating the Empire in a similarly embarrassingly easy light multiple times, to such an extent that, were that show reality, the Empire would have collapsed LONG before they even developed the Death Star and used it on Alderaan.
    I felt that early OS (Kanto/Orange) Team Rocket struck a good balance between funny and threatening. They still had their comedy moments, but they also had some brains and depth.

    As with most of the original characters, Johto should've been the end for the TRio. GSC were the last games to feature Team Rocket as the main antagonists, so Jessie and James had no business appearing in any regions past Johto, and they had also started to wear out their welcome by then, anyways.

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    No kidding. I'm almost tempted to say they're the worst parents ever, but on the other hand, I can name parents in the series who were far worse, like Brock and Misty's parents (the latter isn't stated in-series per se, but it's made clear in that novelization that Misty's parents ditched Cerulean Gym like Brock's parents did, and one of the production staff apparently confirmed that bit at least was indeed canon to the series. And don't get me started on Brock's parents, who literally ditched their kids to fend for themselves, and constantly screwed up the gym and even after "getting back" for their families STILL screwed up ultimately.), or even James' parents (blue bloods or not, they have REAL character problems if they thought the best fiancée for their son was dominatrix sadist and a likely psychopath.). And yeah, no kidding about how they failed to elaborate on May's hatred of Pokémon. This isn't merely something like Misty's fear of bugs where such probably didn't need much of an explanation (though that being said, I do kinda wish they explained that one), and was useful for gags, this was plot-relevant and something that would require an explanation. Probably the closest they got to even beginning to explain it is after Max unknowingly humiliated her by revealing that she got conked on the head by Caroline trying to catch Pokémon at the beach, and even there... yeah, I fail to see how that really was much of an explanation. Embarassing story, sure, but not enough to have hatred of Pokémon over unless you were mentally unstable to begin with.
    May's fear of Pokémon probably came from the writers trying to set her up as a meek "little sister"-type character for Ash to mentor and protect. She had to appear timid, weak, and stupid, or else the Eternal 10 Year Old wouldn't be believable as her big strong mentor. :rolleyes2:

    I don't like Dawn, but at least she was portrayed as being more of an equal to Ash. On the other hand, May and Serena's "passive waifu" act was grating and vomit-inducing. Those two were clearly designed for fanboys who project themselves onto Ash and fantasize about having a shy, younger girl constantly worshiping them. Strong girls who challenge Ash and aren't afraid to tell him "no" (like Misty and Iris) threaten these fans.

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    Yeah, and I suspect the only reason Movie 20 did nearly as well as it did was because it aired during the 20th anniversary of the anime/movies. Had they not aired it then, I'm pretty sure it would have flopped even more than Movie 19.
    And, it wasn't even a good anniversary movie, too. Despite supposedly being a "tribute" to Kanto and the OS era, it went out of its way to ignore Kanto/OS stuff in favor of a bunch of random Sinnoh/DP references and callbacks, even though Sinnoh is probably the least relevant region in the series right now. It hasn't appeared in a game since 2008, nor are its games aren't being remade or re-released anytime soon. Cynthia's appearance in SM/USUM is just random, plot-irrelevant fanservice, while Cyrus in USUM is merely just one out of a group of returning Evil Bosses (and one of the least relevant ones, too -- Rainbow Rocket is more about Giovanni and Ghetsis than the other villains). Looker appearing in every game has become a series staple by this point, so it's hard to call his Alola appearances a deliberate Sinnoh callback (and his role was downplayed in USUM, anyways).

    I'll cry fowl if M21 continues the trend and tries to shoehorn in a bunch of Sinnoh nonsense into an OS-inspired setting. Wonder if the blonde girl from the trailer will turn out to be another Cynthia relative? :rolleyes2:

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    I'll try to discuss some things with my parents first. Don't get me wrong, I do want to watch the Misty and Brock return episodes, and I'm even willing to use Disney and make them an exception if I must, but I don't want to end up getting an app solely for those two episodes and leave it unable to be used otherwise.
    I don't blame you for feeling that way. I don't like most official streaming sites, in general. Even if you don't have to pay to use them, they still tend to be loaded with ads, slow as hell, and needlessly restrictive in content. It's a shame that none of the unofficial sites have anything past XY/XYZ yet, or I'd direct you over to one of those. :(
  11. BettyNewbie
    December 22nd, 2017 11:31 AM
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    Yeah, no kidding. If only Takeshi Shudo used logic rather than favoritism and kept Misty on, we wouldn't BE in this situation. Honestly, they even ruined Cyrus by turning him into yet another megalomaniacal psychopath with no justification for his actions (at least in the game, he had a pretty crappy childhood as an excuse for his actions that made him a bit tragic even if still evil).

    It also doesn't help that thanks to that decision, Jessie James and Meowth got downright shafted as characters as well, turning them into complete jokes who don't even DESERVE being called villains or antagonists, or especially threats. Say what you will about their Original Series selves, at least there, they had their moments of actually being genuine threats. Now... well, if they do anything wrong it's due to stupidity rather than actually being a threat. Even in Best Wishes, the closest they've EVER gotten to getting back to being threatening, they screwed up by having them beat Ash's Pikachu (I've said it before, I'll say it again: I would have settled on them beating one of Ash's rookie Pokémon especially considering how their first loss against Ash since developing their obsession with Pikachu was against a barely-alive Caterpie that Ash just caught. THAT would have settled the threat level for me, not them beating Pikachu, that just made an already painful start in Unova even worse.). Even Bowser when he got villain decay down hard never was as badly done as Team Rocket right now.
    It's painfully obvious that the TRio were mainly kept on for comic relief purposes. They had already deteriorated into bumbling joke villains by the end of Johto (Jessie getting Wobbuffet seemed to be the turning point -- they now had an annoying, disobedient comic relief Pokémon with them), and in Hoenn and Sinnoh, they literally served no purpose besides adding cheap humor and filling space when the writers couldn't come up with a plot for an episode.

    BW attempted to return them to their roots by ditching Wobbuffet and making them more serious and threatening, and they also started making fewer appearances since the plan was to eventually write them out for good at the end of the saga. Unfortunately, this wasn't well-received, and they were promptly reset back to their pre-BW selves at the end of BW. At this point, we're probably stuck with them forever, just like Ash and the Yellow Rat. :rolleyes2:

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    Yeah, agreed, on both fronts. And it also doesn't help that it also makes Norman and Caroline look bad (I'm sorry, but I fail to see why a dad would just let his only remaining son join someone who he doesn't even know all that well before he's even old enough. At least with May, she has the fact that she was old enough to go on a Pokémon journey as an excuse for why he'd let her do that, even though quite frankly she shouldn't have even bothered going into that profession, wanting to travel or not, if she disliked or hated Pokémon. Like my grandpa said, if you're going to enter a job and do it for a long time, you might as well make sure you do something you actually enjoy.).
    I think May was already enough of a reason why Norman and Caroline failed as parents. How in the world can you grow up as the daughter of a Gym Leader and hate Pokémon? And, they didn't even try to give her any backstory to explain why she was like that. All she did was come off as an annoying, useless bimbo. :rolleyes2:

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    Yeah, and going by how things are going right now, they may have just drained the well there. In fact, I'm pretty sure the only Event Pokémon they've got right now is Zeraora. Unless they tease Generation 8 in this movie, they're pretty much dead right now, especially when Alola's probably going to end by this time next year.
    That's probably why they've started doing this AU stuff with the movies. After the XY movies flopped, it became evident that the old movie formula no longer worked and that the movies needed something besides a new Event Legendary to sell themselves. Their AU stunt worked out okay for M20, but there's no guarantee that M21 will repeat its success.

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    Hmm, well, if I have to pay for it, then probably no deal on getting it, since I'm boycotting Disney right now for some stupidity done this year
    Actually, from what I read, the app's free and ad-supported.
  12. BettyNewbie
    December 21st, 2017 4:16 PM
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    Yeah, no kidding. I realize that contests do come across at times as girly, but for goodness sakes, couldn't they have clearly masculine characters participate simply because they find the concept fascinating? Besides, being a girly girl doesn't mean they shouldn't participate in ordinarily masculine activities if they like a good scrap. Just look at Dead or Alive, both males and females fight, and several of the females were actually very feminine in nature (especially Kasumi, Hitomi, Leifang, Kokoro, Tina, and the like, oh, and especially Honoka, arguably the girliest of the female characters, and she really does get excited at the mere idea of a good old scrap, hence why she trains in secret). Plus, in Still Standing, there's a guy who technically does girly things yet it actually was meant to be an expression of his more masculine side in a rather unorthodox manner (for example, he often collects Victoria's Secret magazines, causing people to assume he's into women's clothing when in reality, he's actually more into the actual women in them than what clothing they were wearing). And quite frankly, after hearing how Harley was depicted, all I can say is, he's pretty much the Pokémon version of General Blue if James wasn't that already.
    It should say something that one of the most masculine coordinators we saw on the show was a girl. >_> Is it any wonder that Contests are stereotyped as a frilly, girly goal when you see almost nothing but girly girls and effeminate boys doing them? The fact that the show so blatantly used them as a "girl ghetto" alternative to the badge quest doesn't help. XY's Showcases were basically all of Contests' flaws cranked up to eleven.

    With Lillie, we may finally get a girly/non-tomboy female lead with a battle-oriented goal (possibly a badge quest if there's a filler arc in Kanto), so the show's at least making a little progress on that front. If Contests ever return, it'd be really nice to see a non-effeminate boy doing them instead of the usual.

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    Yeah, not to mention that Misty if anything was actually making quite a bit of strides in her goal compared to Ash and Brock, and considering what Hoenn is like, keeping her would have been the more logical choice rather than Team Rocket, giving her PLENTY to do.
    You know what's the one part of AG that even fans of AG thought sucked? The handling of Teams Magma and Aqua. It's almost universally agreed that their arc was barely developed and completely fell apart at the end.

    And, what's the biggest reason why the Magma and Aqua arc turned out so badly? Because, the show decided to keep Jessie and James around. Since they were still alotting screentime to the TRio and their antics, that left less time to properly develop the generation's actual villains.

    And, it was pretty much the exact same story later on with Galactic and Plasma. Flare turned out much better, but they had help from the TRio-less Mega Evolution specials. Plus, the frequency of the TRio's appearances had dropped off quite a bit by then, anyways.

    If anyone wonders why regional villain arcs have such a spotty history on this show, the TRio of Idiots is exactly why. As long as they stick around, regional villains will always have to share space with Team Rocket and will never get the proper focus and development.

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    Me too. And what's worse is that unlike the other characters save for maybe Max (which even then was only because of the writers' asinine insistence on keeping Ash 10 years old, meaning Ash CAN'T fulfill that promise to Max. And quite frankly, as much as I tolerate Max more than I can May, I fail to see why they even needed him on the cast anyways since he's underage.), Misty's goal was essentially stolen from her, neither allowing her to pursue her dream nor was she even allowed to at least change her goal of her own free will with little if any outside influence. Instead, her sisters pretty much forced her to put her goal on the backburner for an indefinite amount of time. At least the other cast members did one or the other, sometimes even both, and in Tracey's case arguably succeeded in his goal of meeting Professor Oak when he left. Let's hope her impending return for Alola, assuming they do it right, actually ALLOWS her to pursue her goal again instead of being forced to run the gym yet again thanks to her sisters.
    Max was 100% pointless, IMO. At least Bonnie had a direct game counterpart. On the other hand, Max had no connection to the games outside of resembling the male Schoolkids from RSE.

    Yeah, that's the biggest problem I have with how Misty's story was handled. It'd be one thing if returning to the gym was something she actually wanted to do, but instead she was forced there. She was essentially kicked out of the cast before her story was anywhere close to finished, unlike every other character who left. Talk about unfair. >:(

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    Yeah, and what's truly sad is that that's been the case since Generation III. While Event Pokémon evidently were in the movies before Jirachi Wishmaker, at least the first five movies when unveiling those Pokémon were actually treated as stars in their own right and given impressive storylines without even needing to convince people to buy them, instead of being overglorified commercials for them that you get them just for paying a movie ticket or going to your nearest Toys-R-Us if they announce a distribution (I remember being disappointed when I just got Darkrai in Diamond and Pearl despite thinking I'd be able to visit New Moon Island thanks to Bulbapedia). In fact, the event Pokémon in question didn't even need to be distributed in the movies, having their own separate events for getting them via Celebi, Mew, and even the [email protected] via that e-reader Eon Ticket. Also led to a massive waste in creating new areas like Navel Rock, Birth Island, Faraway Island, New Moon Island, Seabreak Path/Flower Paradise, Hall of Origin, Liberty Garden, or, heck, even Shinjoh Ruins, many of which went unused outside of datamining because they opted to just DLC them. There were ways to put those locations to good use without needing the movies.
    I agree. {:3} I think I read that they started turning the movies into commercials for event Legendaries because of the [email protected] movie (and to a lesser extent, the Celebi movie) doing poorly in theaters. By late Gen 2, Pokémania was dying, and the movies could no longer sell themselves. They had to introduce a new gimmick to get people to still care about them, aka. event Pokémon. (Hence the number of Legendaries in the games going WAY up starting in Gen 3.)

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    EDIT: BTW, I stumbled while on bulbapedia (that reminds me, when is their lockdown regarding USUM-related stuff going to end?) that DisneyNOW is apparently showing episodes of Pokémon. If that requires a subscription, I don't plan on doing that, but if I can watch for free, I probably won't even need to wait for Pokémon TV to upload the episodes to watch Misty and Brock's reunion with Ash in Alola. You know anything about it? Those episodes are the only exception to the current boycott against Disney (not counting stuff that, while being distributed by Disney, is technically created prior to Disney taking control such as any Legends continuity stuff relating to Star Wars).
    It doesn't need a subscription, but it appears to be an app that you download. You can read more about it here.
  13. weedle_mchairybug
    December 19th, 2017 12:14 PM
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    Adventures and Special are the same thing. Adventures is the English name, while Special is the Japanese name.
    Okay, so I was on the money there. Okay.

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    Yeah, they did do that with May/Sapphire and Brendan/Ruby. However, while it looked "progressive" on the surface, there was actually still quite a bit of sexism there.

    For one, Ruby was still treated as a main protagonist and hero (as are all the male PCs in Adventures), and was ultimately the one to save the day at the end. They also felt the need to give them some nonsense backstory involving a Salamence attack to "explain" why Ruby was effeminate and did Contests and Sapphire was a tomboy and collected Badges, as if they couldn't just naturally be that way. And, over time, Ruby became tougher and showed himself to be a stronger trainer, while Sapphire grew more feminine and vulnerable (and became a love interest for Ruby), so they eventually ended up slotting right back into traditional roles, anyways.
    Yeah, no kidding. I realize that contests do come across at times as girly, but for goodness sakes, couldn't they have clearly masculine characters participate simply because they find the concept fascinating? Besides, being a girly girl doesn't mean they shouldn't participate in ordinarily masculine activities if they like a good scrap. Just look at Dead or Alive, both males and females fight, and several of the females were actually very feminine in nature (especially Kasumi, Hitomi, Leifang, Kokoro, Tina, and the like, oh, and especially Honoka, arguably the girliest of the female characters, and she really does get excited at the mere idea of a good old scrap, hence why she trains in secret). Plus, in Still Standing, there's a guy who technically does girly things yet it actually was meant to be an expression of his more masculine side in a rather unorthodox manner (for example, he often collects Victoria's Secret magazines, causing people to assume he's into women's clothing when in reality, he's actually more into the actual women in them than what clothing they were wearing). And quite frankly, after hearing how Harley was depicted, all I can say is, he's pretty much the Pokémon version of General Blue if James wasn't that already.

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    (Plus, there was also another form of implied sexism with Ruby being so girly in the first place -- it sent home the message that the only guys who do Contests are preening, effeminate pretty boys. The anime also hammered home this message by constantly only showing guys like Drew and Harley doing Contests and rarely ever any masculine/non-effeminate guys outside of the one-shot Jeremy.)
    See above.

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    If they were going to keep Ash around forever and ever despite his game counterpart (Red) having little relevance to games past GSC, I don't know why they couldn't just keep Misty as well. Sure, she became "stale" by the end of Johto, but so did Ash and Brock, and yet they got to stick around.
    Yeah, not to mention that Misty if anything was actually making quite a bit of strides in her goal compared to Ash and Brock, and considering what Hoenn is like, keeping her would have been the more logical choice rather than Team Rocket, giving her PLENTY to do.

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    Instead of writing off Misty as "stale" and throwing her away for new "eye candy," why couldn't they have actually put effort into her story? Every generation introduces new Water types and new Water specialists, and nothing was stopping them from giving Misty rivals and tournaments to complete in. And, did they forget that Hoenn had an entire Evil Team plot (Team Aqua) that centered around Water types? Or, that the region itself was 70% water?
    Yeah, no kidding about that. Heck, I could have come up with a good character arc for AG regarding Misty (or heck, any series after that).

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    Misty could've gotten so much more than she had, and it upsets me that she was never given that chance.
    Me too. And what's worse is that unlike the other characters save for maybe Max (which even then was only because of the writers' asinine insistence on keeping Ash 10 years old, meaning Ash CAN'T fulfill that promise to Max. And quite frankly, as much as I tolerate Max more than I can May, I fail to see why they even needed him on the cast anyways since he's underage.), Misty's goal was essentially stolen from her, neither allowing her to pursue her dream nor was she even allowed to at least change her goal of her own free will with little if any outside influence. Instead, her sisters pretty much forced her to put her goal on the backburner for an indefinite amount of time. At least the other cast members did one or the other, sometimes even both, and in Tracey's case arguably succeeded in his goal of meeting Professor Oak when he left. Let's hope her impending return for Alola, assuming they do it right, actually ALLOWS her to pursue her goal again instead of being forced to run the gym yet again thanks to her sisters.

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    Those event Pokémon basically exist to sell movies, which is one reason why they stopped bothering with in-game stories for them. They want you to go watch the movie, collect your download, and be done with it. It's shallow, lazy game design, like just about everything else from Gens 6 and 7.
    Yeah, and what's truly sad is that that's been the case since Generation III. While Event Pokémon evidently were in the movies before Jirachi Wishmaker, at least the first five movies when unveiling those Pokémon were actually treated as stars in their own right and given impressive storylines without even needing to convince people to buy them, instead of being overglorified commercials for them that you get them just for paying a movie ticket or going to your nearest Toys-R-Us if they announce a distribution (I remember being disappointed when I just got Darkrai in Diamond and Pearl despite thinking I'd be able to visit New Moon Island thanks to Bulbapedia). In fact, the event Pokémon in question didn't even need to be distributed in the movies, having their own separate events for getting them via Celebi, Mew, and even the [email protected] via that e-reader Eon Ticket. Also led to a massive waste in creating new areas like Navel Rock, Birth Island, Faraway Island, New Moon Island, Seabreak Path/Flower Paradise, Hall of Origin, Liberty Garden, or, heck, even Shinjoh Ruins, many of which went unused outside of datamining because they opted to just DLC them. There were ways to put those locations to good use without needing the movies.

    EDIT: BTW, I stumbled while on bulbapedia (that reminds me, when is their lockdown regarding USUM-related stuff going to end?) that DisneyNOW is apparently showing episodes of Pokémon. If that requires a subscription, I don't plan on doing that, but if I can watch for free, I probably won't even need to wait for Pokémon TV to upload the episodes to watch Misty and Brock's reunion with Ash in Alola. You know anything about it? Those episodes are the only exception to the current boycott against Disney (not counting stuff that, while being distributed by Disney, is technically created prior to Disney taking control such as any Legends continuity stuff relating to Star Wars).
  14. BettyNewbie
    December 19th, 2017 10:41 AM
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    To be fair, and correct me if I'm mistaken, because I may be mixing up Adventures with Special, but May, or rather, Sapphire DID get the badge-collecting quest while Brendan/Ruby got the contests.
    Adventures and Special are the same thing. Adventures is the English name, while Special is the Japanese name.

    Yeah, they did do that with May/Sapphire and Brendan/Ruby. However, while it looked "progressive" on the surface, there was actually still quite a bit of sexism there.

    For one, Ruby was still treated as a main protagonist and hero (as are all the male PCs in Adventures), and was ultimately the one to save the day at the end. They also felt the need to give them some nonsense backstory involving a Salamence attack to "explain" why Ruby was effeminate and did Contests and Sapphire was a tomboy and collected Badges, as if they couldn't just naturally be that way. And, over time, Ruby became tougher and showed himself to be a stronger trainer, while Sapphire grew more feminine and vulnerable (and became a love interest for Ruby), so they eventually ended up slotting right back into traditional roles, anyways.

    (Plus, there was also another form of implied sexism with Ruby being so girly in the first place -- it sent home the message that the only guys who do Contests are preening, effeminate pretty boys. The anime also hammered home this message by constantly only showing guys like Drew and Harley doing Contests and rarely ever any masculine/non-effeminate guys outside of the one-shot Jeremy.)

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    Fine by me. If they aren't going to bother making the female lead actually useful in advertising the main story of the games (ie, actually do things important to the games' plotline and endgame), they shouldn't bother including the female lead in the first place.
    If they were going to keep Ash around forever and ever despite his game counterpart (Red) having little relevance to games past GSC, I don't know why they couldn't just keep Misty as well. Sure, she became "stale" by the end of Johto, but so did Ash and Brock, and yet they got to stick around.

    Instead of writing off Misty as "stale" and throwing her away for new "eye candy," why couldn't they have actually put effort into her story? Every generation introduces new Water types and new Water specialists, and nothing was stopping them from giving Misty rivals and tournaments to complete in. And, did they forget that Hoenn had an entire Evil Team plot (Team Aqua) that centered around Water types? Or, that the region itself was 70% water?

    Misty could've gotten so much more than she had, and it upsets me that she was never given that chance.

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    Sure, will keep that in mind. May also get Puzzle League on the Wii while I'm at it (one of the few games where Misty's actually playable). Besides, I'm pretty sure I won't miss much regarding USUM, especially when any Mythical Pokémon they have won't have any DLC stories since they screwed that bit up with Generation IV regarding Darkrai, Shaymin, and Arceus, and to a lesser extent Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina (they had full fledged story arcs you could get after meeting certain event requirements, with the latter three even having them violating the whole no-eggs Legendary thing by getting them as newly hatched baby mons, but instead, we just got direct ownership of them via download rather than visiting and actually encountering them and then capturing them. Such a shame, especially considering that I actually like exploration of new places).
    Those event Pokémon basically exist to sell movies, which is one reason why they stopped bothering with in-game stories for them. They want you to go watch the movie, collect your download, and be done with it. It's shallow, lazy game design, like just about everything else from Gens 6 and 7. :rolleyes2:
  15. BettyNewbie
    December 18th, 2017 9:35 PM
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    Yeah, no kidding. They could have at least made them of equal standing to Ash, but no... they get filler stuff from the games.

    I'm sorry, but Misty and to a lesser extent Iris at least have goals that theoretically COULD require you to beat the league with a type-exclusive team. May, Dawn and Serena don't. Let's hope that Lillie at least can pursue gyms knowing Ash won't need to challenge the ones in Kanto and Johto again. The closest Serena's got to a true game mechanic goal is those stupid Pokémon Musicals from Black and White, and even THAT's grossly outdated.
    Wanna bet that Hilda would've been shoved into Musicals had she been used in BW instead of Iris? :rolleyes2: That's exactly what Adventures did with her, which is why that overrated rag isn't any better than the show in regards to female characters (and is arguably worse in places).

    After what happened with Serena, I'm 100% against female player characters being used as traveling companions. They can't be badge-collectors as long as Ash is still the protagonist, and it's painfully obvious that the writers are incapable of doing anything with them besides overly girly/cutesy performer goals. I'd rather have Ash's female companion be a Gym Leader (like Misty or Iris) or some other important NPC (like Lillie), while the female player character has a cameo appearance in a few episodes as a badge-collector (like Lyra).

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    BTW, I know I said I'd hold off on getting any Pokémon games until I'm sure they don't screw up with Misty's return in some way, but I'm going to be making an exception with Pokémon Snap, and any other Pokémon stuff for the Wii console, and that's only because the Wii Shop Channel is going to be closing down soon, so I figured I might as well get those games and others while I still have that ability.
    Even if they don't screw up Misty's return, I honestly don't recommend buying USUM. The games don't offer much in the way of content over SM (unless minigames and a watered-down Battle Factory are your thing), and the story is actually worse (and that was practically SM's main redeeming quality to begin with). Better to either catch up on older games you missed or hold out for the upcoming Switch game.

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