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  1. DBZ fan
    2 Weeks Ago 12:26 AM
    DBZ fan
    Sorry, i had trouble logging in pokecommunity lately. Something with my account and computer, as well being very busy in last few months. But yea i know, those were wonderful news and glimpse of hope for there still being chance that pokemon anime start heading in bright and correct direction. Not forgetting its roots, past and older fans.

    I already watched episodes enjoying in Misty and Brock as characters remembering how great anime used to be when Misty was around. Fact that she has mega evolution also says a lot of how much she improved in meantime, indicating she was on her own journey. Being in Kalos in order to even find out about mega evolution and acquire key and mega stone.
    Implying her dream of becoming water master haven't been completely forgotten since with mega evolving Gyarados she made one stepo forward, pretty big step in coming closer toward that dream.

    Hopefully promise of Misty and Brock traveling to Alola wont be forgotten with this Kanto arc no being last we saw from them. Because their comeback was too short not giving enough time to learn much about what has been happening with them. Have them battle and be of help to story more as well expand on their interactions and mix of personalities with other characters. But Ash as well with Misty and Ash back and forth chemistry briefly shown in those 2 episodes showing how their spark and fire is still in there enriching on atmosphere of this show helping Ash feel, more faithful to himself and his goals.
  2. BettyNewbie
    2 Weeks Ago 10:29 AM
    BettyNewbie
    Sorry that I took so long to reply, but I honestly couldn't think of a good response to your message. I agree with most of what you said, and I can't really elaborate any further on most of it. That sometimes happens.

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    Hadn't watched much of Johto, though ironically enough the fillers had absolutely nothing to do with my being driven away from that series. Actually, it's because WB did some really lame ads that ultimately drove me away from them, such as the Sock Party ad (shudders... I already have bad views of singing from Return to the Sea, don't need THAT one where Ash randomly sang broadway style about Sock partys). It also doesn't help that I was eventually growing very paranoid of people denouncing me as a baby for watching Pokémon or even Disney films thanks in large part to how Arthur acted to D.W. regarding Mary Moo Cow. In fact, the closest I've ever gotten to watching Johto was that marathon leading up to DP back in 2008, and quite frankly, I really didn't see what the fuss was all about (granted, I didn't actually see ALL of Johto as it was, but it was the closest I've come to actually watching all of it. Who knows, maybe this Christmas, I'll get a chance to actually watch the entire saga, or at least most of it [don't think the Ice Cave or another of those banned episodes involving Jynx will be there, though]). Though I'll admit, if they're going to keep Ash's Johto Pokémon unevolved, they should at the very least make sure that they gave an in-universe reason for not doing so, like with Pikachu, Bulbasaur and, to a lesser extent, Squirtle. And the Whirl Cup was definitely good as well, and it's nice to see Misty actually being able to pursue her goal, especially when we had far more of an idea of what that entailed than Ash's goal.
    I think that happened to a lot of older fans in the early 00s. We started to hit puberty just as the franchise's popularity was starting to fade, so it became extremely uncool to still like Pokémon. Combine that with the decline in the anime and the polarizing reboot of the Gen 3 games, and it's no surprise that many fans fell out of the series around 2002-2003.

    This may have had a huge negative impact on the direction of the games and (especially) show. It told TPTB that older fans weren't reliable and that catering exclusively to newbies was the way to go, hence the endless reboots and nonexistent continuity.

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    Yeah, and the Whirl Cup was very good as well. And on the subject of gyms, I agree, though to be honest, even Kanto's gyms, I could take over the crap that were Hoenn, Sinnoh, and Unova's gyms. Say what you will about Kanto having pity badges for lack of a better term from half the gym leaders, at least most of the gym leaders there, Misty's sisters aside, were actually proven to be quite formidable and forces to be reckoned with. With Hoenn, however, with the exception of Brawley (and to a lesser extent Roxanne since she at least lost to Pikachu, an established veteran, even if he WAS the victim of level resets during that time), all of the Gym Leaders were pushovers, easily losing to rookie Pokémon on Ash's "fresh start" team. It's actually quite embarrassing to watch characters who, while not necessarily to the level of Elite 4 or Champions, were nonetheless considered to be Crème of the Crop trainers, lose as easily to Ash's rookie team as Jessie, James, and Meowth lost to that Caterpie back in Ash Catches a Pokémon (a Pokémon that was explicitly mentioned to be weak) seven-fold. I mean, it's like, I don't know, binge-watching the whole Imperial Unit on Endor, who were explicitly listed as being an entire legion of the Empire's best troops, basically being easily owned by what are essentially a bunch of animate teddy bears (you know what I'm referencing, right?). Unova's Gym Leaders were arguably worse due to Ash being an idiot there in addition to a rookie team. Even Sinnoh, while comparatively better in that at least they don't lose to rookies nearly as much, came at the cost of Ash and Pikachu themselves being depicted as incompetent, especially in light of their earlier victory over a Regice. In fact, of the regions after Kanto/Orange Islands/Johto, only Kalos came the closest to actually restoring Gym Leaders' honor and reputations as skilled trainers, without making Ash look incompetent I should add.
    It feels like Gym Leaders became secondary to COTD filler in later sagas.

    .......

    The show seems to have this weird thing about wanting to avoid using characters from the games as much as possible in favor of using OCs, even if said OC fills the exact same role a game character could've otherwise played.

    Rivals especially seem to suffer this fate. Neither Silver or Wally have ever appeared on the show, yet both have extremely close OC analogs in Paul and Sawyer, respectively. Like, why go out of your way to create a new character that's clearly based on a game character when you could just use the actual game character, instead? What's so horrible about using game characters in a show that's, y'know, supposed to promote the games?

    Of course, even when the game rival does appear, they usually still play second fiddle to the OC rival, as was the case with Barry (vs Paul), Cheren/Bianca (vs Trip), and the XY friends (vs Alain/Sawyer).

    Gary was the only game rival who was ever handled decently, and even then, his screentime dropped off massively after Kanto, and at this point, he seems to have been permanently written out of the show. Of course, we all felt the same about Misty until recently, so it's always possible that Gary may appear again.

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    Yeah, that's another problem posed by the writers decisions regarding their choices with Ash. They really screw them out.
    And, it's always the the most underwritten E4 members, too. The likes of Karen and Will have practically no backstory or characterization in the games, whatsoever, so they could've really benefited from getting fleshed out in the anime.

    Even if Ash was never going to make it to the E4, these characters could've still easily been used as COTDs, just as Lorelei and Bruno had been back in Kanto/Orange. I don't know why the show decided to stop using E4 members as COTDs (outside of a few exceptions).
  3. BettyNewbie
    2 Weeks Ago 8:50 PM
    BettyNewbie
    Mind if I reply tomorrow? It's getting late, and I need to think of a good response.
  4. BettyNewbie
    2 Weeks Ago 9:44 AM
    BettyNewbie
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    Yeah, agreed. We could tell that Misty and Ash were friends who had each others best interests, yet still clashed heads and got on each others nerves. And yeah, it did come across as one sided with Iris unfortunately (though that being said, I can't help but agree with her after how Ash really ended up being depicted as a huge Homer Simpson-type moron in BW).
    That's probably one reason why a lot of fans truly hate Iris. It's less about the character herself and more about her being associated with an extremely dumbed-down, childish Ash. People were already salty enough about Ash's hard reset in BW, but Iris constantly teasing him and calling him "a kid" felt like the show was rubbing it in.

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    Agreed on all fronts, especially the Alola thing. One good thing about the Original Series that has other series pale in comparison is that there is an actual discernable growth in Ash's skillsets and characterization that we can see. Thanks to them being different series, we don't actually see it, simply being told it.
    Definitely. OS had the most natural character progression of any of the sagas. Johto Ash was clearly a stronger, more competent trainer than Kanto Ash. The only thing that went wrong is that they still didn't let Ash win at the end of Johto (although he still did better than he did in Kanto).

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    Well, to be fair, the whole GS Ball debacle was due to a failure between the anime and movie production teams (since they wanted the GS Ball to be used in a similar manner to the games to promote it, but then someone decided to just use Celebi in a movie, and they canned it. Too bad they dropped it. I wonder if their having Ash explicitly reference the events of Movie 2 were meant as a subtle apology for ruining that promotion due to the Celebi movie?). So far as the fillers, eh, I actually managed to sit through the episodes of Johto that they showed a few years back in one sitting and was not worse for wear (the only one I missed was Don't Touch that 'Dile, and that was only because I was out getting summer reading books that time and, due to Barnes and Noble being unusually busy during that time, I couldn't make it home in time. This marathon was around the time DP premiered on Cartoon Network here in the States).
    And, the Celebi movie wasn't even that good, so that just made it even more of a waste.

    If I had to be honest, the Johto anime marked the beginning of my falling out with Pokémon in the early 00s. Constantly seeing COTD after COTD and hardly any characters or storylines from the games made Johto feel like such a drag compared to Kanto, and it also wasn't fun seeing Ash replace his iconic Kanto team with new Pokémon that were clearly weaker, inferior versions. Misty, Brock, and the TRio also felt really boring and watered-down compared to Kanto/Orange.

    That being said, though, I'll still take Johto over any of the later sagas anyday. And, Johto usually did well whenever game stuff did come up. The gyms were a major improvement over Kanto (Ash actually earned his Johto badges instead of getting half of them out of pity), and I also enjoyed the Red Gyarados episodes.

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    Yeah, no kidding. Probably the closest they ever got to showing his breeder abilities during Johto was with the Stantler episode and the breeder convention. Beyond that... he really was screwed over, which is a shame especially when the games actually HAD a breeding mechanic that they could do. I don't know if it's due to the matter not being suitable for children or not, though I have my doubts about that since, if they thought Brock's horndog antics were suitable enough to be used as a running gag, they certainly could get away with two Pokémon mating.
    What they needed to do was give Brock an egg to raise up. Granted, they may have been unwilling to do that because of Misty's Togepi already filling the "cute baby" role, but the obvious solution to that was for Togepi to evolve. After all of the love and care Misty had given it throughout Kanto/Orange, surely it was happy enough to evolve by Johto? That way, Togepi gets new character development as a Togetic, while Brock gets an actual storyline related to his goal.

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    Yeah, I remember that whole thing regarding how Masamitsu Hidaka feared he was a racist stereotype (though I find it rich: Since Pokémon is a Japanese anime, why would people care if he looked like a Japanese stereotype?) The whole Weatherford thing also didn't help.
    Yeah, this was around the time of the Jynx controversy, so TPTB had become extra sensitive about anything that could come off as racist. Of course, it became a moot point when Tracey was horribly-received, and fans clamored to have Brock back.

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    Yeah, and in the case of Ash, they hadn't bothered to give ANY elaboration on his goal until DP when they stated he'll need to fight the Elite 4 and Champion to even come close to becoming Pokémon Master. Not even having him win the Battle Frontier was apparently enough for him to gain the title, especially when the Brains were strongly implied if not explicitly stated to rival the Elite 4 in terms of combat prowess.
    Which means that an unintended consequence of Ash losing all the time has been the majority of E4 members getting cheated out of ever appearing in the anime. To this date, only the Gen 1 and Gen 4 E4s have entirely appeared in the show, only the latter all appeared in the same saga. Furthermore, it seems that the Gen 2 E4 may not even exist in the anime's universe.

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    And as far as Team Rocket, quite frankly, keeping them for AG onward proved to be a mistake, since they came across as less threatening and more annoying. If you want to make them comical, fine, go right ahead, but don't try to not make them an actual threat. The entire point of being a villain or even an antagonist is for them to be a threat to the protagonist, and not a mere annoyance that can be brushed to the side.
    Well, the biggest problem with keeping the TRio around past Johto was the simple fact that Team Rocket were no longer the villains in the games after Gen 2. Whatever screentime the TRio got was screentime that could've instead gone to the current gen's *actual* villains, and it badly showed in how the Magma/Aqua, Galactic, and Plasma arcs turned out. (Flare fared better, although it helps that they were already very badly executed in the games. The anime really couldn't screw up any worse than XY already did.)
  5. Hikamaru
    2 Weeks Ago 9:11 AM
    Hikamaru
    Yeah, but it seems like the mods still thought it was an argument.
  6. Hikamaru
    2 Weeks Ago 3:52 AM
    Hikamaru
    And of course the mods get triggered and the thread gets closed down once again...

    More proof we need to take that sort of conversation to VMs only because any thread discussing the quality of the Sun & Moon series will only descend into arguments and disrespect of others' opinions.
  7. BettyNewbie
    2 Weeks Ago 11:09 AM
    BettyNewbie
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    Yeah, fully agreed with that. At least the OS series did depict Ash (and for that matter the series girl, in this case Misty) as actual 10 year olds, and not making Ash out to be like Homer Simpson, or making what are 10 year old girls look/act more like teenagers or young adults.
    And, going off of that, Ash also had far more realistic dynamics with Misty than he ever did with May/Dawn/Serena. You could tell that Ash and Misty were friends and cared about each other, yet they still clashed and butt heads with each other like stubborn, immature preteens usually do.

    Ash/Iris attempted to recapture the Ash/Misty dynamic, but it veered far too much in the direction of one-sided bullying.

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    Yeah, and in the case of AG, he and his rookie team ended up making many of the gym leaders look grossly incompetent and lacking any skill, which comes across as too similar to Team Rocket in Ash Catches a Pokémon. I could tolerate DP and XY Ash, though. At least he managed to actually do better than the prior sagas. Heck, if SM actually HAS Ash do what they failed to do before and actually have him WIN the league in Alola, I'll even tolerate his antics there.
    The problem with DP/XY Ash was that his competence was ultimately hollow fanservice. No matter how much he seemed to "progress," he still ended up losing the league and getting reset back to Idiot Mode in the following saga. It wasn't genuine character development, and it proved meaningless in the long run.

    I'm hoping the show treats Alola as another Orange/Battle Frontier situation and lets Ash win. It's not a traditional 8-gym league, and Ash has usually been allowed to win stuff like that.

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    Yeah, no kidding. At the very least, they should have allowed him to win Johto so they could be done with him. It's irritating, having him be an inconsistent character, regress regarding potential, and since AG have any potential victories he might have basically be completely undone. And to make matters worse, even most of the target audience is clearly not buying into that crap if the ratings are anything to go by.
    Well, as far as I know, that's what the original plan was. After doing poorly in Kanto, Ash would hone his skills through Orange and Johto and return to the Indigo League as a stronger trainer, becoming champion and finally getting to meet Ho-Oh.

    Of course, that was back when nobody was sure if there would be a third generation and there was talk about GSC being the final games. Plus, the intense backlash Tracey received probably made the show afraid to swap out Ash for a new protagonist, especially when the only options RS offered were either a girl or a boy who looked like he had white hair.

    (Even as things were, Brendan already got hounded by the fandom for not looking "normal" or "badass" like Red/Gold, so one can only imagine how fans would've treated him had he replaced Ash. And, do I even need to mention the sexist BS that would've likely come May's way had she been the one to replace Ash?)

    What makes it even worse is that the Johto arc itself clearly suffered from the decision to keep Ash around. Most planned storylines were either rewritten or dropped (GS Ball, anyone?), and without a clear ending to work towards, the arc mostly meandered in Filler Hell.

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    I was actually referencing Kanto there (remember, he established his desire to be the world's best Pokémon Breeder after Ash "won" the Boulder Badge), but yeah, fair point regarding Johto onward (still wish they at least made an effort to have Brock try to actually breed two of his own Pokémon during that saga, and later sagas, though). The only other time Brock made any attempt at raising a Pokémon as an egg was with Happiny.
    Ah, I see.

    Considering that GSC actually introduced breeding as a game mechanic, Brock was vastly underutilized in Johto. Why bother to bring him back if you're not going to do anything with his goal, especially when there was an obvious game marketing opportunity?

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    Can't comment on Tracey since I never really watched Orange Islands much (it's not him that drove me to not watch it that time, more that they changed the opening, which at the time, not being familiar with anime much and at most only understanding western cartoons, since those generally didn't change the actual song in the opening (the only thing they actually DID change was the animation at most). In fact, the only time I recall them actually altering the songs was with live action programs such as Sister-Sister and Smart Guy. Different animated series like Super Mario Bros. Super Show and The Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3, I could understand differing openings, but not Indigo League to Orange Islands.). However, he seemed tolerable compared to Brock in later seasons, especially when Tracey actually kept his liking girls low key.
    The worst thing about Tracey was that he was extremely underdeveloped. They just threw him into the main cast without ever giving him much of a backstory, and after the fandom revolted against him, he faded into the background even more and was swiftly written out after only a single season.

    Of course, he was put into the show for rather dubious reasons (TPTB were afraid that Brock would be seen as a racist caricature), and since he had been created 100% from scratch and wasn't based on any character from the games, that also made him more limited from a game marketing standpoint.

    At this point, Tracey seems to have been practically written out of existence. He hasn't been seen in the flesh for over a decade, and the recent SM Kanto episodes didn't even mention him, let alone give him an appearance. The Azurill he gave Misty was also completely absent from her SM appearance.

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    Yeah, no kidding. Though even in Johto, he still had his moments (like the Stantler episode). Other than that, they really should have removed him. And like I said, I find episodes that either try to make him a bit more important as being pretty bad due to usually forcing Brock into it and making the others seem like idiots as a result, or simply doing OOC stuff (for example, aside from Ash failing to recognize Pachirisu's symptoms despite it having similar anatomy to Pikachu, who came down with a cold twice, there's also the fact that Team Rocket outright ignored a Zapdos despite their mission prerogative being to capture, legally or otherwise, rare and valuable Pokémon).
    Brock, like Ash and the TRio, is another shining example of what happens when main characters overstay their welcome on this show.
  8. BettyNewbie
    3 Weeks Ago 9:25 AM
    BettyNewbie
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    Yeah, no kidding. And quite frankly, the fact that they are 10 years old makes them being waifu material just... well, just downright creepy, period. I could tolerate admiring Ash, since in DP and XY, at least he actually WAS shown to be a bit of a pro. I don't even mind the fact that Iris calls Ash out as being childish either. If anything, I was more irritated at how Ash was even depicted as childish and idiotic during that series in the first place (at least, what I've heard of it), taking a massive level in stupidity. Seriously, at least in Kanto, most of his more dumb decisions were due to rookie mistakes and being a novice (most, not all, though. Him having Caterpie fight a Pidgeotto was just downright stupid, something not even a rookie would do).
    OS Ash acted like a normal 10 year old. He wasn't a total moron, but he did a lot of rash, stupid things and often needed Misty/Brock to keep him in line. That's why the original trio had the best dynamics and why the old episodes are the most enjoyable to watch.

    Later sagas swung too far in both directions. DP/XY Ash is less a character and more an hollow Gary Stu designed for fans to project themselves onto, while BW/SM Ash is an overgrown toddler designed purely for comic relief. And, then there's AG Ash, who's just a generic mish-mash of all personality types and has no defining characteristics, whatsoever.

    I've said it a million times, but the biggest mistake this show ever made was keeping Ash around past Johto. The moment Ash stepped foot into Hoenn was the moment he stopped being a character and became a marketing tool, existing solely to promote the Yellow Rat and the most marketable critters of the new generation. His personality would always be altered to suit whatever the current saga called for, forever dooming him to inconsistent characterization.

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    Yeah, I know what you mean speaking as someone from Serebiiforums myself. Heck, forget Serebiiforums, Bulbagarden if anything was even worse, since if you even try to voice any support for bringing her back, they throw you into the "hall of shame." And honestly, Misty may have been somewhat girly at times, but she most certainly wasn't really meant to be "eyecandy" or at least, not purely that (the closest she EVER got to that was with Beauty and the Beach, and that episode got banned for a reason, and even there, she didn't necessarily enjoy the experience). If anything, alongside Iris, she's one who looks and actually acts her age. Wikipedia even noted, with some of its sources, that she struck a perfect balance.
    Plus, Misty's a Water type trainer, so it made sense for her to appear in bathing suits every so often, and even then, most of her bathing suits were designed more for athleticism than looking cute.

    Misty was a tomboy with a girly side, which is what made her far more realistic and relatable than May/Dawn/Serena. It also helps that she didn't primarily exist in the cast to market new games. That's one of the biggest reasons I hate May -- She marked the beginning of new traveling companions being brought in solely for marketing purposes.

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    Well, to be fair, they did at least attempt to set up breeding in Kanto by having him raise Togepi as an egg. If anything the whole thing with Johto was even worse since they literally had him not focus on his goal despite it literally featuring it as a gameplay feature, started it even. Never understood it, TBH. You'd think that they'd at least show him attempting to breed two Pokémon together since, you know, it's his goal. Instead, the most we've got toward his goal was the Stantler episode and the Breeder convention. Before then, the closest we've got to an actual reason for letting him stay was that he cooks, which makes little sense because, 1. Misty was actually implied to have done the cooking back during the Viridian Forest arc before they even met Brock (it's 13 days in Viridian Forest based on what the narrator said about them taking two weeks to get to Pewter City, Ash's first day was a total disaster, you can do the math), not to mention was essentially responsible for curing Jessie, Ash, and Tracey's stun spore disease in the Orange Islands (which required, you guessed it, cooking), and even an anime trading card released around that time depicted Misty preparing some soup, 2., there were plenty of times Brock didn't help at all regarding the whole cooking thing (like, say, Pokémon Shipwreck); and 3., Ash and Misty didn't even NEED someone who could cook during the time they went through the Orange Islands.
    That was just a weak in-universe excuse to get him back with Ash and Misty after Tracey was poorly-received. I lay credits to beans that had Tracey been far more successful, Brock would've never returned, and we would've gotten a new male companion in Johto (most likely Falkner). The show may have also been more willing to end Ash's story after Johto (as originally planned) and replace him with May/Brendan in Hoenn.

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    And fully agreed regarding that. In hindsight, they definitely should have made him a doctor (of course, I wasn't particularly happy with the episode where Pachirisu ended up falling ill because of the fact that Ash couldn't recognize that Pachirisu had a cold, despite having to experience his Pikachu having similar symptoms twice). At least there, he can provide invaluable use. And quite frankly, that whole "horny Brock" running gag wasn't even remotely funny to begin with. Besides, it's grossly inappropriate ESPECIALLY for the target age bracket (initially families, and later on little kids), and quite frankly, it makes us heterosexual males look extremely bad as a result. I don't like that kind of humor when it came from Lumiere from Beauty and the Beast, Glenn Quagmire from Family Guy, Charlie Harper (or, heck, any of the male cast members) in Two and a Half Men, Krillin, Master Roshi, and Old Kai in Dragon Ball, Kazuhira Miller from Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker, or anyone else who matches similar descriptions in various series. Why would I find it funny under Brock. I was able to tolerate it in Kanto largely because at least there, he showed some genuinely redeemable aspects to his character to allow that to be overlooked, such as him spearheading saving that Charmander and reading Damian the riot act, among other things. Plus, there have been a few instances where Brock's flirting actually was done in a tolerable light, like in Bulbasaur and the Hidden Village where, while obviously having a crush on Melanie, he was so low key that if anything he DOESN'T want anyone to mention he's got a crush on her and gets all stammered rather than outright trying to go all horny on her. Personally, I'm glad they actually toned it down in his reappearance to only flirt with the teacher, not any time else.
    Totally agreed. Brock's horndog antics had gotten old by the end of Kanto, and I was one of the few people who thought Tracey was a nice change of pace because of it.

    I also found Brock to be one of the things that dragged Johto down, as by then, his character had almost entirely been reduced to the horndog act and was a hollow shell of who he was in Kanto. I'm starting to wish Johto had just brought in a new guy. I would've much rather seen Falkner traveling with Ash and Misty instead of a dumbed-down, lobotomized Brock.

    Brock was great in Kanto, but it's painfully obvious that his character couldn't be taken much further beyond that, especially since they didn't change his goal to one that was less of a dead end until it was far too late.
  9. BettyNewbie
    3 Weeks Ago 11:12 AM
    BettyNewbie
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    Eh, Iris I can handle TBH. She if anything from what I've heard may be one of Unova's saving graces. If anything, the fact that's she's similar to Misty is exactly the reason why I like her. Shame she's not all that popular, though maybe she has enough of a following to grant her that.
    We may feel differently, but it seems most of the fandom prefers the girls to be "waifus." They want their sweet little contest girls who wear cute outfits and blindly admire Ash as their Big Strong Hero, ala. May/Dawn/Serena. To them, Iris is The Devil for having the nerve to challenge Ash (aka. always calling him "a kid" ) and having a goal centered around training and battling with strong Pokémon instead of wearing pretty dresses and looking cute for the audience.

    Granted, those things are also true of Misty, but she has better writing and nostalgia on her side to boost her popularity over Iris. And, even then, some parts of the fandom are nearly as hostile to her as they are Iris (Serebii Forums comes to mind here).

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    As far as what Misty could do in Alola, well, all of those things you listed, maybe also participate in a Water Pokémon competition like the Whirl Cup. Maybe the Water/Bug types will even have her confront her fear for good, maybe develop on WHY she had that fear in the first place. And hopefully, assuming this actually has a new series after that and that this isn't the last series (I find it unlikely that Ash will end up losing a league that's literally being founded right now), she'll be part of the main cast. I mean, having her return for Alola, Brock as well? That's definitely unusual, especially in regards to Ash actually requesting it. He hasn't done that with not only his past companions, but even Misty back in AG, that suggests either a permanent return or that the series is going to end soon.

    And honestly, I think I can name quite a few things she could do relating to Water Pokémon if they do a new saga and her goal, and she's part of the main cast. Namely, have her participate in several Water competitions and get tokens from that, and then go to that region's equivalent of the Whirl Cup. Maybe have Ash participate as well if needs be. Oh, and aside from that, also have her deal with episodes dealing with Water Pokémon.
    Those are all good ideas. Alola's a very water-heavy region, so there should be plenty for her to do there to help further her goal. Plus, there could even be game-promotion opportunities, as well. We know that USUM will have a surfing minigame, which I could easily see Misty being interested in. Misty herself may even appear in USUM, even if it's just as a battle facility cameo, ala. PWT.

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    I can even list some stuff Brock can do that would be invaluable for the group now that he's a Doctor. If they aren't anywhere near a Pokémon Center, Brock can do his work and save them a lot of time and energy, for example.
    It seems like they should've made that his goal much earlier instead of waiting until the end of DP. What in the world did he even do to further his Breeder goal in Johto/Hoenn/Sinnoh? It feels like he was only kept around for comic relief, aka. him getting horny at every Joy/Jenny/female COTD that showed up.
  10. BettyNewbie
    4 Weeks Ago 3:21 PM
    BettyNewbie
    No surprise that Iris isn't selling as well as the other figures. Very few fans like her, and it's surprising that she even got a figure in the first place.

    Any ideas on what Misty could do in Alola? I'd like to see more interaction between her and Lana, as well as explore Alola's Water types. I wonder how Misty would react to the two new Water/Bug lines in the games?
  11. BettyNewbie
    4 Weeks Ago 11:16 AM
    BettyNewbie
    Do you have sales data on those action figures? I know only the most popular characters tend to get those things.

    (See, for example, Tracey being left out of OS anime sets, or Lance and Wallace being left out of Gen 1-4 Champion sets. Those characters have every right to be included, but since they're not popular, making figures for them isn't considered worth the time and money.)

    I saw this link you posted in one of the threads:

    https://hantythehaunter.tumblr.com/post/165578228191/brock-and-misty-to-make-an-appearance-in-alola

    It seems like there are at least plans for Misty and Brock to reappear in Alola, Let's keep our fingers crossed!
  12. BettyNewbie
    4 Weeks Ago 3:14 PM
    BettyNewbie
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    Actually, I think there may be a wrench thrown into our hopes, unfortunately. I discovered on the Pokémon Ratings thread that apparently, the episode where Brock and Misty return didn't even make it into the Top 10. That may mean the writers may end up nixing that plan of them returning. Let's hope the writers don't do that.
    Ouch. X___X

    Between that and M20 doing surprisingly well in theaters, it doesn't seem that the Japanese audience has much nostalgia for Misty/Brock and the OS era. I guess it's because the Japanese audience skews younger. The fad never died over there like it did in the West, so more fans are little kids/preteens rather than nostalgic 20-somethings. And, all the Japanese kiddies seem to care about is seeing the latest hijinks of the Twerp, Yellow Rat, and Trio of Idiots, plus the new Marketable Critter of the Week, everything else be damned.

    That's exactly what's been holding this show back for the last 15 years. Not only has the show become a glorified commercial, but Japan clearly prefers it that way, and any attempt at continuity or otherwise interesting storytelling is met with low ratings.

    Sad that these episodes may not be met with a good followup, after all. Yet more wasted potential from this show.
  13. BettyNewbie
    4 Weeks Ago 10:28 AM
    BettyNewbie
    Sounds like the episodes had far more positives than negatives, which is good. I also like that they left things open for Misty and Brock to make future returns in SM. At the very least, they made a good first step towards rectifying Misty's horrible post-OS treatment. Brock also seemed far more enjoyable than he ever was in AG/DP, where he had become a pointless tagalong character.

    These episodes seemed to be very cautious about post-OS references. Outside of a very brief, unnamed appearance of Ash's Corphish, it doesn't seem like anything from AG-XY was ever directly referenced. They definitely acted like "Gotta Catch 'Ya Later" was the last time Ash/Misty/Brock had been together instead of "A Real Cleffa-Hanger."
  14. Hikamaru
    September 5th, 2017 10:19 AM
    Hikamaru
    Seriously, I'd avoid that thread like the plague now that it's become a total mess.

    I don't like becoming a toxic person who derails thread topics. That's what you seem to have become, and I feel you need to change your attitude so that you don't set off the staff again. And I know what it feels like because I used to have a very bad relationship with a smod in 2012 who slapped me for the stupidest things. He literally did nothing but abuse his power, and had I not been such a wimp back then I could have easily reported him for being a bad staffer.

    I managed to turn around, and I really hope you do as well. You need to save your image from being tarnished forever.
  15. Hikamaru
    September 5th, 2017 10:14 AM
    Hikamaru
    And of course Kostas is triggered... it seems like anything off-topic is a berserk button to him.

    Then again, I consider PokeAni one of the biggest hellholes of the forum aka hardest sections for the mods, alongside the ROM Hacking sections. No wonder why he's had to become so stressed like this.

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