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  1. weedle_mchairybug
    November 25th, 2018 12:41 AM
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    A few news: 1. Misty a couple of days back was unveiled in the Pokémon Anime Talk Show, with Mayumi Iizuka as well as Lana's voice actress having guest roles on there. And 2. Her and Brock's return was just announced today as occurring on December 23, so have a early merry Christmas (never was fond of "Happy Holidays", TBH).
  2. weedle_mchairybug
    September 13th, 2018 5:28 AM
    weedle_mchairybug
    Hey, Betty, if you're still around, I've got some very good news: Misty, she's coming back next season, and if the poster she appears on is of any indication, she's definitely going to have at least a bigger role, certainly have more appearances than just two:



    Brock's also coming back, but we were on the lookout for Misty, and well, she definitely is coming back.
  3. weedle_mchairybug
    August 15th, 2018 3:16 AM
    weedle_mchairybug
    BTW, Dogasu did a translation of some director's commentary for the 20th movie that aired a month back, and he revealed something: Apparently, Verity's mother is NOT Cynthia, though she is indeed someone strong and famous. The director doesn't reveal who it is, though. You can read it for yourself here: http://dogasu.bulbagarden.net/movies/2017_pm_i_choose_you/pm_i_choose_you_directors_commentary.html

    Probably doesn't make up for their replacing Misty and Brock for the movie (and no, it being an AU isn't an excuse. Path to Power was also an AU, yet even THAT kept the Dragon Ball Team from the Pilaf Saga intact), nor does it really make up for the rather inappropriate shilling of Sinnoh, but at least we now know that they aren't shilling Cynthia.

    Not much else to report at this point, however (and I'm still looking out for any announcements on Misty and Brock's return).
  4. weedle_mchairybug
    July 18th, 2018 1:16 PM
    weedle_mchairybug
    BTW, a further update to you, Betty: Junichi Masuada was interviewed recently regarding Pokémon Let's Go, and he says something interesting regarding Generation VIII and connectivity: When asked if the Let's Go games will connect to the 2019 game (referring to Generation VIII), he answered that there was a time that players felt bad that they couldn't transfer their team forward (obviously referring to the software transfer problems between new systems from Gen III up to at least Gen VI) with the implication that such would be a thing from the past. If that's correct, we probably won't need to worry about remakes for Generation IV. That said, it's not confirmed one way or another, so we'll have to wait until late 2019. I also went to Atlanta Comic Con, BTW, and got an autograph from Linda Larkin (would have asked a few questions for Paige O'Hara regarding Belle, but... well, it's not a meet and greet, so I ultimately didn't).

    Speaking of which, Mayumi Iizuka had a twitter post of her dressing room. While the tweet itself dealt more with some performance she had done fairly recently and plans for a future performance than about any future roles as Misty, she does have the plush Misty toy I alluded to earlier in a fairly prominent manner, which is nice to see: https://twitter.com/MayuTama0103/status/1018123952168681473
  5. weedle_mchairybug
    May 30th, 2018 4:05 AM
    weedle_mchairybug
    Well, we've gotten our first announcement for Generation 8 today in the Pokémon Conference... kind of. They announced that there will be more Core Series Games on the Switch in 2019, though they did not directly name Generation 8 so much as strongly hint at it. We don't know their names yet, nor even when exactly they'll release in 2019, not even in terms of quarters. That kind of gives us an idea of how long Pokémon Sun and Moon will last in the future (and by extension how long we'll expect Misty and Brock to appear in Alola). Hope you're still around.

    EDIT: According to Bulbapedia, Gen 8 is specifically going to be released during the latter half of 2019, meaning either Q3 or Q4. That gives us a rough timetable for when Misty and Brock's going to return, the latest we can expect one at least.
  6. OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
    May 9th, 2018 2:10 PM
    OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
    Seems that we're getting a reboot of Gen I or at least a game taking us back to Kanto... at least that's what all the hints and rumors are pointing towards. Perhaps even a reboot of Gen I and II if Ho-oh and Lugia are hinting at anything... Or like I said before, a return to Kanto and Johto.
  7. weedle_mchairybug
    April 19th, 2018 5:00 PM
    weedle_mchairybug
    Just so you know, Takara Tomy released Misty and Brock plushies back around Mid-March (and I even got a Misty plushie on eBay). That would certainly point to Misty and Brock possibly returning in the near future, since the 20th Anniversary's all but done as it is.

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    TBH, I wasn't fond of the way they had Gary retire from battling and become a researcher. There's nothing wrong with him following in his grandfather's footsteps, but the way they handled it gave the impression that they were only doing it to write him out of the series for good (which is pretty much what happened). If Gary and Tracey are any indication, going to work in a lab seems to be a Point of No Return for a character. :frown:
    True, but at least he actually chose to follow in Oak's footsteps, instead of being forced to do so unlike Misty. Same deal with Tracey, so I could at least tolerate it with them since at least they chose to do so of their own free will, which is far more than what Misty got.

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    Yup. :nod: The Orange Islands already showed that Brock was the most expendable of the original trio (and his total uselessness in Johto didn't prove otherwise), and Brendan/Lucas were very conveniently given NPC roles in their respective games that could've easily replaced his. That would've been the logical way to go instead of kicking Misty out in favor of some fresh "eye candy." :rolleyes2:
    Yeah, acting as lab assistants in all but name, and also doing field research. That probably would have been a bit more useful to the group than what Brock does (the only thing he has going for him that's actually useful is cooking, and even there, Orange Islands proved they can do without him regarding that. Heck, Ash and Misty had very little problem with food when they were lost in Viridian Forest, and they were there for about two weeks based on what Ash said in the Pewter Gym episode). I'm even willing to bet that Misty could handle cooking (and had it not been for Sick Daze, that would have been a very reasonable assumption, especially considering that one of the Orange Islands cards had Misty cooking stew, plus the whole Salveyo Weed she needed to get to prepare an antidote for Stun Spore that Ash, Tracey, and even Jessie contracted, and her being implied to have cooked during Episodes 3 and 4 of the series). Heck, even if they absolutely HAD to bring May and/or Dawn into the cast (without replacing Misty, anyway), they could have given them similar goals regarding field work.

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    Totally agreed. In this alternate version of the anime, I would've brought back all of the past companions and rivals for the PWT. Ignoring that in favor of pointless Sinnoh pandering was a huge mistake on BW's part.
    Agreed there, and not just because it was a complete waste of an advertisement opportunity for the games: It's also because they practically screwed up a viable way to bring characters back and see how they're doing (especially Misty, which something like this actually WOULD have given her character actual closure, something which her return in Battle Frontier completely failed to give).

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    I'm almost certain the games picked it up from the show. :rolleyes2: After AG had decent success with it's own sexualized version of May, GF decided to design the next girl explicitly with fanservice in mind, hence Dawn and her miniskirt. Similarly, we got saddled with Lyra in HGSS because Kris wasn't deemed "cute" or "hot" enough to be worthy of the games, and it's been downhill ever since. Female characters are only valued as much as they make the fanboys horny. :pouting:
    Honestly, I could understand and tolerate Dead or Alive doing something like that since at least the girls there were all of the age of consent (and even prior to Dead or Alive 5, the youngest the girls were ever at was 16 years old, which is still pretty close to the age of consent (Aurora, Ariel and Jasmine were of marriable age at 16 years old, for example.), and either way they clearly weren't prepubescent children unlike the Pokémon kids). Pokémon, that really shouldn't have been done. It's actually reminding me a bit about Disney's Beauty and the Beast, where they talk down to the audience more than a few times with Gaston, and yet have no qualms with showing Lumiere as an unrepentant womanizer (something that's definitely not appropriate at all to the intended audience, and what's worse, this was blatant and not merely a parental bonus), pretty much demonized the concept of marriage, and designed the triplets and the featherduster maid's human form in a manner that not only outranks Belle's physical appeal in a way that caused a massive plothole as to how Belle is even remotely the most beautiful woman in the village, but also comes across as inappropriate especially to the intended audience (though to be fair to them, they obviously weren't prepubescent children either, which is still better than what Pokémon's doing.). I don't think Satoshi Tajiri would be too happy with what's going on with his series right now. Someone needs to stop this madness right here and now.

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    Yeah, that's not exactly the kind of "equality" I want to see. :frown: I'll fully admit that I find Gary and Emerald Brendan to be cute, but nothing more than that as long as they are still underage. Let preteens still be preteens, regardless of gender or sexual orientation.
    Yeah, agreed. I'm hesitant to call Gary or Emerald Brendan cute, though (I'm a straight guy, I'm not exactly fond of using those kinds of descriptions on those of the same sex). Still, they actually do look their age to some extent, so I can tolerate them.

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    Well, the cat's out of the bag. With the last new Pokémon revealed, end of Gen 7 should be near now.
    Yeah, I heard. At the very least, we definitely won't expect a new Gen 7 game. I'm still on the lookout for a new Mystery Dungeon game per your suggestion, though, just in case the end doesn't come at all soon. And personally, I hope Gen 7 is the last for the anime, even if they do confirm a Generation 8. Like I said, I'm sick and tired of constantly seeing Ash lose or have his victory stolen from him, especially in instances where there was literally no reason to believe he was supposed to lose (DP and XY, I'm looking at you), at least give him one victory that's actually worth it, actually let him achieve his goal of Pokémon Master just for once. That's all I ask.

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    Am I the only one who found it a punch in the gut that Dawn was the one to end up with a Togekiss when Togepi's line had forever been associated with Misty? What a huge missed opportunity to never see Misty's baby grow up to be big and strong. :frown:
    No, you're not the only one. Heck, it made zero sense for anyone besides Misty to get Togekiss, let alone Dawn, especially when the Togepi line, even in the games, let alone the anime, is so rare to find that you'd pretty much would only find it due to luck (heck, in DPP, the only chance you have to find a Togepi in the wild is at Route 230, and even THAT requires the Poke Radar, and you can forget trying to find Togetic or Togekiss in the wild as well). In fact, in the anime, they're pretty much impossible to find without going all the way to a pocket dimension, with the only known entry point being in Hoenn, maybe Kanto considering that Ash found Misty's Togepi by accident at Grandfather Canyon.

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    Yeah, Rumble is just a throwaway freemium game, so there's nothing to worry about there. So far, it doesn't look like there's a new PMD immediately on the horizon, which is good.
    Agreed, though I'll still need to wait until at the very least E3 comes up, since if there's any new Pokémon related news, whether it be Gen 8 or even PMD, it's definitely going to be at that event, especially considering that Nintendo is confirmed to be at E3 2018 for Splatoon and Super Smash Bros. for the Switch (I'd go with Nintendo Direct, but that's more of a hit and miss, especially when they AFAIK don't tend to announce when the next Direct will be.).
  8. weedle_mchairybug
    April 6th, 2018 8:42 AM
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    Sounds pretty good. :nod: Hopefully, we actually do see them again before SM ends.
    Yeah, here's hoping. Let's hope the writers don't screw this up.

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    (And, also, could they please acknowledge Gary and Tracey next time? Those two have been left to rot in early DP. :frown: )
    Yeah, no kidding. Though at least Tracey got a mention in Best Wishes. And hopefully, if they do have Gary come back, they don't have him beat Ash again (not that I don't want him to be weak, but he retired from doing any leagues, and I personally wasn't too fond of how he beat Ash after Battle Frontier due to him retiring from being a trainer to do the family business of being a Pokémon Researcher).

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    If they just *had* to keep Ash as the badge-collecting protagonist past Johto, one thing they could've at least done with Hoenn/Sinnoh was replace Brock with Brendan/Lucas in their NPC roles (where they're professor's assistants) while May/Dawn collected badges and acted as Ash's rivals. That way, Ash and Misty could've stuck around, and the Hoenn/Sinnoh protagonists would've neither been ignored or put in roles that don't reflect their game roles.

    (Note, though, that Lucas has a younger sister in the games when he's an NPC, so expect an annoying little kid to be trailing him, ala. Max/Bonnie. Maybe they could've used her as someone for Misty to bond with and act as a role model for.)
    Agreed, not to mention it would have truly allowed more expansion on the various characters goals. I definitely think that would have been a good idea, certainly much better than what we've currently got.

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    However, even in this alternate scenario, I think BW would've still featured the Ash/Iris/Cilan trio. I think TPTB would've always gone for a full reset in Unova, and since the BW/B2W2 protagonists don't appear in major NPC roles when you don't play as them, I think they would've always been left out of the show.

    XY, on the other hand, I think would've gone with Korrina as the main female companion (with mastering Mega Evolution as her goal) and Calem as a retread of Brendan/Lucas. Serena, of course, would've been Ash's rival, just like May/Dawn.
    True, but on the other hand, we could have at least gotten a cameo from Misty regarding the Pokémon World Conference in BW (skipping that was definitely one of Best Wishes' worst mistakes. That would have been a grand opportunity to bring her back, heck, most of the old cast back for that matter. I don't know why they completely ignored such a golden opportunity the games provided them with).

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    Yeah, the Unova/Kalos protagonists are meant to be teenagers, but the rest are all 10-12 year olds. This is why Dawn, Lyra, and ORAS May bother me the most out of all the female protagonists. They're barely-pubescent girls who were designed to be fetish material, which is completely gross. X___X
    Ugh, no kidding. It's already bad enough that the anime does that, but the games too? They're sexualizing kids? You'd think after what happened earlier that they'd learn to quit doing that. Well, when Gen VIII comes out, we'll see if they'll stop.

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    If ORAS Brendan (aka. "Orlando," as I prefer to call him) is any indication, the male protagonists have also started to get in on the jailbait action. :frown: Canonically supposed to be 12, yet has broad shoulders, rock hard abs, and a bronze spray tan like he stepped right off of Jersey Shore. When he does Contests, he wears a tight leather jacket, a skimpy belly-bearing tank top, and skinny jeans that barely cover his underage hips (and may inadvertently reveal that he isn't wearing any skivvies... ew).
    Honestly, I've never been a big fan of Jersey Shore, but having a 12 year old be that... ugh. Probably what's worse is that it's guys being that as well... This really needs to stop, stat.

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    Assuming the trend continues and "IllusionDiamond and RadiantPearl" come to pass, I wonder what will become of Lucas. Fanart has tried, but his design doesn't lend itself to jailbait nearly as well as Brendan's. Like Wally, Lucas was designed to exude sweetness and doe-eyed innocence. Might he end up kicking the bucket in favor of a new boy like how Kris was so obviously dumped because she didn't look "hot" or "pretty" enough?
    Since when does being "hot" or "pretty" enough act as qualifications for a character, anyhow? Especially characters who were supposed to be prepubescent children? Well, all I can say is that if they do in fact make that Gen IV remake, they'd better cut down on the jailbait stuff, especially after what happened to Nobuhiro Watsuki a few months back (while he was given a light sentence of only paying a 200,000 yen fine for child porn possession, he nonetheless is most likely going to have his reputation destroyed as a result).

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    (Plus, GF has a long history of wanting to replace/radically redesign protagonists in remakes, anyways, and you know Dawn ain't the one they're gonna touch.)
    Ugh, well, sooner or later, they'd better stop.

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    Whatever happens, I really hope that they're not expecting us to wait until late 2019, because Gen 7 doesn't have nearly enough new stuff left in it to carry us that far. In fact, all that's really left is Zeraora, who will likely be revealed in M21. A late 2018/early 2019 release feels far more reasonable, IMO.
    Yeah, agreed, especially if the rumors are true and Zeraora's going to debut on that April 9 trailer for the film.

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    The main issue with Misty's Togepi is that none of its development happened until Hoenn, when few people cared anymore. That storyline needed to happen in Johto, when Misty was actually still in the show. Same goes for Misty and her Gyarados fear, for that matter. Far too much of Misty's development was saved for her cameos and Chronicles episodes, IMO. :frown:
    Yeah, no kidding, it's a shame that had to happen, to Misty and especially to Togepi (though that being said, poor development aside, they still had a far better done relationship than May and Manaphy did). Still, at least Togepi doesn't erase people for sheer laughs, unlike Zeno (and the reason I made the comparison is because the characters are actually voiced by the same voice actress in Japan).

    So far, the only game that might be on the lookout is Pokémon Rumble due to updating trademarks. Even there, nothing is confirmed (and I'm not sure if that impacts Generation VIII's release in any case).
  9. weedle_mchairybug
    March 21st, 2018 12:13 PM
    weedle_mchairybug
    Well, I've watched both episodes with subtitles (at least it eliminates having to listen to the audio track). And they're definitely very good on a second viewing. Probably my only real complaint was Misty leaving out the fact that her sisters were out of town in the first part (though to be fair, that's probably because that came about in a quiz segment that got left out of the dub). Well, that, and Misty making it sound as though she gave the badge out of pity in the second part (it was actually her sisters who did that. If anything, she protested the decision). But oh well, they were definitely good episodes, and more than redeemed the Gym Leaders of their shoddy treatment since AG. And the fact that Brock beat them effortlessly seems to reinforce that, as good as the Gym Leaders were, and as impressive Misty's battling prowess was, she ultimately needs to leave the gym soon, since Brock rivaled her in that area (and it's repeatedly stressed that he's the former Gym Leader). I so can't wait for their appearance within the Alola Region itself, we know it's going to happen thanks to the second part's ending, and speaking of which, we also can safely say that Ash is probably going to fight the Pokémon League, thanks to that teacher's voicing his intention of creating that league.

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    Not a fan of the TPCi dub, I see? Can't say I blame you for that.
    Something like that. I probably could tolerate it if they at least kept the art style, but the two combined, sorry, I'd rather spare my ears.

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    Fully agreed. :nod: What makes it even worse is that the anime's practices actually started to influence protagonist designs after Gen 3. Ever wondered why all the male protagonists from Gen 4-onwards (Lucas, Hilbert, Nate, Calem, Sun) have been generic Red clones dressed in the same blue/red/white/black color scheme? It's so the show can give Ash a new outfit every gen without having to use their brains and come up with an original design (like Gen 3 forced them to do). :rolleyes2: Since Ash is based on Red, they need to be based on Red, too. Since Ash wears blue/red/white/black, they need to wear blue/red/white/black, too.
    No kidding. Seriously, I honestly can't see why they can't have Ash just mentor the new male protagonist, which would be something that actually would work in a relationship standpoint. He's not even a Coordinator, so he's pretty much divorced in chemistry from May and Dawn for that reason alone (and don't get me started on Serena, of whom males are persona non grata from Showcases). Plus, I wouldn't feel like an idiot naming the new character "Ash" in Hoenn and Sinnoh.



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    Likewise, the girls have become increasingly fanservicey (and more in line with Hidaka's gross vision for female characters). While Kris, RSE May, and Green are all relatively normal-looking and practically-dressed, Dawn is drenched in Barbie pink and running around a cold, mountainous region in a tiny miniskirt. Then, Lyra's wearing a literal pinup Mario costume, and Hilda, despite being tougher and more normal-looking, is still wearing teeny tiny cut-off Daisy Dukes. Rosa has a curvy body and tiny booty shorts, Serena has a miniskirt and thigh-highs, ORAS May has a skeletal figure, skimpy tank top, and tiny Daisy Dukes, and Moon also has unnaturally skinny legs and tiny shorts. No doubt the girls are being designed to look more like "eye candy" for the sake of marketing. :rolleyes2:
    I agree, it's indeed very gross. 16 year olds, heck, 20 year olds, I could somewhat go along with, but 10 year olds?! Are you freaking kidding me!? This sort of crap is what got Nobuhiro Watsuki into hot water recently. Probably the only saving grace is that unlike the anime, some of the characters were older than 10, even if not much older than 10 (like around Brock's age).

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    Ok. I'll send you a PM soon.
    Will be on the lookout for it.

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    Agreed. :nod: If all they care about is the little boy audience, then why sexualize the girls? What little boy's going to care about the size of May's boobs or whether or not they can see Dawn's knickers? Most of them still think girls have cooties! :rolleyes2:
    Yeah, agreed. It's not a good thing to market towards kids. At least with Dead or Alive, it was marketed towards teens and those in early adulthood instead of kids. Most kids wouldn't really like that kind of fanservice, and I have my doubts about the parents approving either. Come to think of it, one episode of Robocop had a woman basically engineering a jailbreak by turning into living water, though even THAT at least was largely obscured (and the woman when naked was pretty much had the molecular shape of water anyway, so it's not really much, especially compared to what Pokémon's doing right now).

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    The main thing to look out for right now, believe it or not, is whether or not a new Mystery Dungeon is announced. PMD games always come out during long gaps between main series releases (since releasing close to a new main game would cannibalize PMD sales), so a new PMD being announced for 2018 is a huge red flag that we're in for another gap year.
    Will also look out for that. As soon as we get an announcement either via one of the upcoming Nintendo Directs or, hopefully, during E3 2018 involving Pokémon, I'll start planning the period in-between. Besides, Dragon Ball Super is drawing to a close anyway, so I don't have to worry about much else (a side note, but if you ask me whether Misty's Togepi or Zeno qualifies as a hated character, I'd probably go with Zeno, definitely, especially with this current arc where he and his future counterpart simply had too much fun erasing universes to Kefka levels. It actually makes Zamasu look like a decent person, and that's the guy who had a genocidal hatred towards mortals this past saga that Zeno erased, which speaks volumes of just how much worse Zeno is acting right now. At least Misty's Togepi actually does try to do things that are good, and actually did go out with a bang saving people.).
  10. weedle_mchairybug
    March 17th, 2018 6:09 PM
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    Sounds like you're busy! Hopefully, you can eventually get around to the episodes. :smile:
    Thanks. And as of a few seconds ago, I have just watched both episodes. Granted, I had it on mute the entire time (I don't think I can bear to hear what the voice track's like with how the animation was), and I didn't know until the second episode that there was closed captioning, so I'll probably need to watch it again with the CC on, but I've at least met my goal now.

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    All of this is why I really hope SM is the end of the TRio. Their characters are a creative dead end at this point.
    Agreed. They need to have their character arcs closed now. It's the best they can settle for now, after being mismanaged for quite some time now.

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    Good point, Weedle. Player characters may be "blank slates" compared to NPCs, but they still fill certain roles in the games. They either collect badges or do whatever NPC role they fill when they're unselected, which has *never* involved becoming a coordinator.

    If the show really wanted to use characters like May and Dawn (and not completely ignore them like the GSC protagonists), why not, I dunno, finally retire Ash's never-aging butt and let the game protagonists collect their own regions' badges? When I play RSE, it's May who collects the Hoenn badges and stops Magma/Aqua, not Ash or Red. Last I checked, the show is supposed to be promoting the games, not the other way around. :rolleyes2:
    Agreed with that. Not to mention, even ignoring the whole coordinator thing that was truly unnecessary, especially in terms of advertising the games via the main characters, May's NPC characterization would NEVER have worked via May's characterization in the anime regarding her hatred of Pokémon (especially when May in the games, the NPC anyway, didn't even mind Pokémon).

    And yeah, it also irritated me as well regarding keeping Ash on, speaking as someone who, with the exception of Pokémon Coliseum, frequently named the Male character after Ash.

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    Since we're on the topic, have you heard about what went down behind the scenes of this site the last couple of weeks? (Hint: The owner's a giant creep. I can tell you more via PM, as I'm not comfortable sharing it here.) A LOT of people have left, and I don't blame them. :frown:
    Hmm, haven't heard anything on that front. And sure, PM me the details. I probably won't leave until after Sun and Moon is finished, anyway, think of it as a bit of honor that keeps me here.

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    Ouch, that's cringeworthy! X___X

    One big problem is that Pokémon didn't try to grow up with its audience like, for example, Harry Potter. Instead, TPTB operated with the mentality that the little kid audience would always be replaced every few years, and any older fans who stuck around were a bonus. This started to change a little with Gen 5 (which had older protagonists, a more urban/modern setting, and a darker storyline), but the franchise still has a long way to go.
    Yeah, no kidding. I'm guessing Quality Control was on vacation when they did that ad.

    And honestly, I probably wouldn't mind the not growing with the audience too much if they replaced the characters, all of them (although not before making sure they succeed in their goals of course), and especially if they didn't outright treat the girls as sexual fanservice starting with May (I'm sorry, but I fail to see how that was even REMOTELY appropriate for the age bracket. Then again, I'm questioning why making Brock into Glenn Quagmire starting with Johto was even a good decision for the audience, or for that matter, why Disney thought it was a good idea to make Lumiere into an explicit womanizer despite his acts being very family unfriendly as it is. There's parental bonus, and then there's outright pushing dirty material to kids in an undisguised manner.).

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    With all the Sinnoh pandering that's been going on lately, I'm afraid that we're going to get another random, forced Dawn cameo before SM is over. Gotta keep shilling that penguin, dammit! :rolleyes2:
    I hope they don't. But on the other hand, that magazine interview implied that more of Ash's friends besides Misty and Brock will make a return, so might as well brace for it.

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    I hope this year will be the last for SM, because this show will turn into an even worse fillerfest than mid-Johto if we have to wait until the latter half of 2019 for Gen 8. SM is already a glorified filler arc to begin with, and this gen has very little left in it to promote. It's not like the last four gens where we got either remakes (FRLG, HGSS, ORAS) or sequels (B2W2) to extend the gen for an extra year or two. This time, all we got were a main pair (SM) and a third version (USUM), which doesn't give you much material for a 3 or 4 year generation.
    Well, since they're running out of Event Pokémon to tide the kids over, they probably should call it quits soon. Not unless they want to pull an AG where they had the latter movies promote a new-Gen Pokémon despite it not being anywhere close to announcing the new generation. Let's hope Misty and Brock fulfill their end of the bargain before then, I'm still keeping an eye out.
  11. weedle_mchairybug
    March 11th, 2018 6:35 PM
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    Well, Episodes 42 and 43 have officially been uploaded to Pokémon TV. I have to contact pool companies to make my pool usable again as well as do Metal Gear Survive and The Phantom Pain, plus do any household chores, so I can't say I'll watch both today. However, I do intend to make sure I do it before next Saturday.

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    As I've said before, even by Johto the TRio had started to wear out their welcome (Wobbuffet seemed to be the shark-jumping point for them -- once they had an annoying gag Pokémon with them, it became impossible to ever take them seriously), and after that, it became painfully obvious that the only reason they stuck around was for comic relief and episode filler.
    Yeah, they've had a bit of that during Johto as well, especially after Wobbuffet entered the picture (he's a poor villainous equivalent to Misty's Psyduck. At least Psyduck actually DOES manage to take out the enemy when he has a headache and is useful for last-minute saving the day in addition to being comic relief). Still, even in Johto, they still at least had some moments where they proved to be genuinely credible threats, which is a lot more than in AG or DP, or for that matter XY and SM.

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    The "boys need new eye candy" mentality is the entire backbone of Japan's idol industry, so it's no surprise that the girl-swapping also went along with an idol-based goal (ie. Contests/Performances) being introduced into the show. Idol groups literally don't exist for any other reason than providing "eye candy" for perverted men, and members constantly get dumped and swapped out to keep things "fresh." These young women are considered disposable and interchangeable.

    Sadly, it seems like the only time we can get female leads on this show who aren't shallow eye candy is when they're based on NPCs rather than player characters, ala. Misty, Iris, and Lillie. Since Ash is still around and collecting badges, characters like May, Dawn, and Serena can't as well, so they get stuck with a "girl alternative" in the form of Contests/Showcases, as this show literally cannot think of anything else to do with female leads based on player characters.

    I could sort-of buy doing it with May since she was from the generation that first introduced Contests, but there's no excuse for Dawn and Serena. When you don't play as her in DPPt, Dawn is a smart girl who works for Professor Rowan and studies evolution with him, while Serena is a powerful trainer with a Mega Absol when you don't play as her in XY. Why not adapt their actual game NPC roles instead of rehashing May's fanservice coordinator shtick and butchering their personalities?

    This is why I'm actually sort of glad Green, Hilda, Rosa, and Moon never got adapted into the show, as they all would've inevitably been shoved into the same tired waifu/fanservice/performer roles.

    I also really hate how this eventually led to game May getting girlified and dumbed-down in ORAS, all so she could be made more "accurate" to her ditzy, annoying anime counterpart. :rolleyes2: The difference between her in RSE era official art and ORAS era official art is literally night and day.
    Yeah, no kidding. And quite frankly, as you implied with your description of idol culture, using the phrase "eyecandy for the boys" isn't even a valid excuse since the audience for that isn't even children, but grown men who are coming close to acting like pedophiles. And quite frankly, pumping them with drugs aside, Idol Culture is coming far too close in resemblance to our fashion industry in America, the West even.

    Heck, it doesn't even work for May, let alone Dawn or Serena, whether you go by May being the daughter of Norman and thus the player character (as the anime chose) or if she was the daughter of Professor Birch and thus was the rival NPC instead. In the latter, it's heavily implied from her interactions with the player that she, similar to Dawn in fact, was pretty much acting as Birch's lab assistant and doing field work and capturing Pokémon for his research, and had no plans to be a full-time trainer, especially not a league challenger. In other words, she was pretty much a female version of Professor Oak when she had more interest in cataloguing Pokémon in her Pokedex than battling in that iteration. If they really needed to promote contests, they should have made an anime-only main character for AG to allow for that promotion. At least there, we don't have to worry about it breaking the games needlessly.

    At this rate, it's better off if they used non-Rival NPCs instead of player characters, or even their rival NPC equivalents. At least with the NPCs, they try to make them more in-line with their game characterizations.

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    Japan fetishizes youth and innocence, that's why. They love women who are sexually appealing, yet still act bubbly, immature, and virginal. The younger, smaller, and more childlike (and, thus, the less likely to assert herself), the better. When a woman reaches 25, it becomes harder for her to continue looking and acting cutesy and innocent, which is why women usually get dropped from idol groups once they reach their late 20s.
    I remember seeing a Blue Bloods episode dealing with a very similar thing, only instead of Idol Culture, it was the fashion industry, and a friend of the family's daughter ended up comatose from poisoned food.

    And honestly, I don't mind girls being innocent (provided it's not done as a form of mockery unlike with Will Ferrell's "Elf") and virginal, but they shouldn't fetishize something like that, as it's not meant to be sexualized, a contradiction in terms. Not to mention with their age it skirts far too close to the child porn category.

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    It was primarily during the Gen 3-early Gen 4 era (ie. RSE/FRLG/DPPt) that Pokémon was really considered uncool. The Pokémania Fad had long since died, but the series hadn't aged into being nostalgic yet. Little kids continued to buy the games and watch the show, but everyone else regarded it as another Old Shame from their childhoods, just like Beanie Babies and Furbies. Being over the age of 10 and publicly admitting to liking Pokémon between 2002 and 2009 was a fast track into Loserdom.

    Things started to improve around the time HGSS came out, and original fans (now in their late teens or older) started getting more nostalgic for the games. The upward trend further continued with XY's release and the series' transition into 3D, and the explosion of Pokémon Go in 2016 sealed the deal.
    Funny, I actually played Pokémon RSE and FRLG, and even played Diamond and Pearl before I dropped off from them due to the boycott.

    Though I won't be surprised if it being considered uncool, at least here in America, dealt with this marketing gaffe done by KidsWB in some way (honestly, that ad pretty much drove me away from Pokémon, made it look more like Barney and Friends. Heck, that ad alongside Return to the Sea and possibly some shows geared towards toddlers that dealt with singing is probably the reason why until recently I had an immense hatred of singing, especially those done in English and done by characters.).

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    I'd simply have Lyra fill the NPC role she plays in HGSS when you don't play as her, while Gold/Kris exists as the Viridian Trainer House opponent (who originally took the appearance of Gold in GSC, though was named "Cal" ) when they're not the canon protagonist (which would be determined by which gender you play as, while their starter is determined by which one you pick).

    As for Red, his Origins counterpart would probably be a decent base to use for his personality.
    Both of those might work as well.

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    Tell me about it. :rolleyes2: Dawn's return cameo ultimately wasn't about anything more than placating the vocal minority who hated Iris and BW's reboot and wanted to see their little miniskirted princess again. Thankfully, it doesn't look like they're repeating the same mistake with Serena in SM.
    Yeah, good thing too. Too bad they didn't bring Iris back. She at least had actual potential. And yeah, agreed. I know Iris isn't exactly all that popular, but if they really needed to bring Dawn back, they should have given a far better story justification for her doing it. Even having her mention she's on a layover and mention she's done with Hoenn and waiting for the Kanto Contest season to start would have sufficed at least.

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    Well, that's promising news! ^^ Definitely ready to see more of Misty. She deserves it after the way the show had treated her.
    I'll still need to wait for them to post something in CoroCoro actually confirming these suspicions, not to mention episode titles, but I think we can expect a Misty appearance in the near future, Brock as well (certainly before the end of the year, which I suspect will be the end of SM since, revealing and distributing Zeraora aside thanks to USUM expanding the Aloladex by adding new Pokémon, they don't have anything else to cover for SM.). After all, they did promise to visit Alola, and they might as well tie up that loose end (and hopefully, after Alola, Misty will actually be allowed to resume her goal, whether she rejoins Ash or not).
  12. Mateo
    February 23rd, 2018 11:07 PM
    Mateo
    Busy with Hack of the Year stuff. Gonna be up late tonight anyway though so I'll work on a reply later tonight xx
  13. Mateo
    February 22nd, 2018 12:33 PM
    Mateo
    Hey! Things are okay. Haven't been too busy, but I've been distracted a lot lately. I haven't forgotten your PM though. I'll try to reply tonight after work
  14. Mateo
    February 16th, 2018 2:00 PM
    Mateo
    Hey, sorry, I just realized I let your PM get buried under moderation ones. I'll try to get you a reply soon!
  15. weedle_mchairybug
    February 7th, 2018 7:28 PM
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    As we've discussed before, I strongly suspect that Rainbow Rocket will simply be adapted as a Team Rocket storyline (for all the reasons you mentioned). They might even dust off the canceled Team Rocket vs Team Plasma storyline and redo it as Team Rocket vs the Aether Foundation, especially given that the storyline was originally meant to be TR's finale back in BW.
    Yeah, agreed. They should reuse that plot so they are given a proper exit (and hopefully this time around, they don't have the misfortune of having a disaster occur in Japan that gets it banned). They've overstayed their welcome since AG, and with the exception of BW (which even there, they overdid it to be honest) failed to be even slightly threatening or credible threats.

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    I agree. Getting Kanto sequels for Gen 8 means that the show has no choice but to finally let Ash grow up and pass the torch, because why have him go collect Badges from a region he already went through? It's a win/win for all of us.
    Agreed as well. No real point to him challenging the gyms again, so might as well have him adopt a more mentor role.

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    Absolutely. This is the very thing that bothers me about Contests and Showcases the most. It's not something these girls can ever hope to build a lasting career off of. They're only valued as much as they are young, beautiful, and innocent, so the moment they grow up and start looking and acting like adult women, out they go.

    Just read up on the the very thing that inspired Contests and Showcases in the first place, Japanese Idol Culture. Girls in idol groups are literally nothing more than sex symbols for perverted older men to drool over, and their lives are so strictly controlled that they are forbidden to even date. These girls aren't seen as having any value beyond their youth and beauty, and their careers are usually over by the time they reach 25.

    You see something similar with teen idols in the West, as well. They get forced into strict boxes based around an image of youth, innocence, and marketability to preteens, and as soon as they grow up and try to break out of the box, their lives usually implode. Look no further than what happened to Britney Spears and Lindsay Lohan.

    It disgusts me how the show has promoted a whitewashed, sanitized version of a culture that's nothing but exploitative and damaging for girls and women.
    Yeah, no kidding. Though at least Japanese Idol groups aren't likely to take drugs or OD as a result (and for good reason, as drug abuse is not tolerated in Japan. Just ask Sakai Noriko, the narrator of Pikachu and Pichu. Heck, that short was BANNED in all but name thanks in large part to her 2009 drug possession charges.), unlike modeling here in the States, where it if anything is openly encouraged in the industry (Kate Moss was infamous for starting the coke-addict appearance thanks to her very obviously being addicted to cocaine). Either way, Contests are pretty much a dead end job, and if it's anything like the real life counterparts will just result in massive pain and misery. I preferred the Princess Festival Contests from Princess vs. Princess since, while beauty did play a factor to the event, someone's competency in battle is the most prized element. Not to mention it's only a minor distraction rather than a full-fledged career.

    Heck, Lana from Hyrule Warriors was obviously based on the Idol girls (though to be fair to her character, her actual characterization and reasons for staying celebate despite having an obvious crush on Link are closer to that of a Roman Catholic Nun than an idol girl).

    And yeah, I remember what happened to Lindsey Lohan (I liked her in that film "get a clue", the one where she has to clear her teacher's name after he had to fake his death and go into hiding because of apparent embezzlement).

    Ultimately, I find it really sick as well, especially in light of what Masamitsu Hidaka tastelessly stated about why the girls starting with AG even exist (thank goodness that Iris and Lillie averted that trend, since at least they acted their age and weren't exploited). That's actually part of the reason I'm determined to stop that stereotype.

    Plus, I never understand how 25 is considered "too old." I could understand, say, 60 years old being too old, but 25? Even Dead or Alive has fallen into that trap with Xtreme 3 (barring Helena Douglas, whom I suspect was only added in because we Westerners managed to trick the polls by creating Japanese accounts, or Nyotengu since she's... well, a female Tengu and literally over a millennia old as a result, the only character who actually IS in her 20s is Momiji. The others are generally 18 minimum. The other girls got cut, even Tina, and I'm very fond of her in spite of her more showy aspects largely because she alongside her dad are positive representations of America, which I must admit is pretty rare in the Japanese gaming industry as they have a really nasty tendency to demonize America as a concept and even openly root for people who would be considered scumbags ordinarily [Metal Gear, Resident Evil, Dead Rising, and Vanquish all come to mind]).

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    I agree. The time is ripe for a new sequel. RBY/GSC have just been re-released, and there's been a major resurgence in nostalgia for the franchise. It's no longer like it was a decade ago when anyone over the age of 10 was considered hopelessly uncool for liking Pokémon. People who grew up with the original games have gotten back into them and are even introducing them to their own children.
    I don't know if it was considered uncool to play Pokémon as an adult a while back (I mostly was afraid thanks to something shown in Arthur regarding the titular character calling Mary Moo Cow a baby show), but yeah, it is nice to see it being spread to the next generation.

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    Outside of a few minor cameos and Easter Eggs, Kanto and Johto have largely been ignored since HGSS, which are 8-9 years old now and have become ridiculously expensive and hard to find. The original classic regions shouldn't be left behind to rot like that.
    Yeah, agreed. It's a bad idea to just leave them out to dry like that. And besides, it would get new generations hooked to the games as well, maybe even the anime.

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    Totally agree. It was an amusing joke when they first did it in GSC, but after later games gave the unselected player characters actual speaking roles as NPCs, it looks silly to keep portraying Red as a mute, especially when it keeps inspiring so much dumb fanart/fanfic about him being some edgy, badass loner.

    While this is probably a long shot, I also want to see the FRLG girl's existence acknowledged, as well as for Kris to be canonized over Lyra. These sequels need to redeem the two great female protagonists that got unfairly screwed over in HGSS.
    Agreed, or if they DO need to have Lyra return, at least make her Kris's cousin or something so that she could still be related to Kris without replacing Kris.

    And yeah, I for one would like to see what Red's personality is like, his canon personality anyways.

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    Yeah, remaking the DS/3DS games is going to be a logistical nightmare. HGSS and ORAS can be replaced by VC re-releases of GSC and RSE, but that still leaves DPPt, BW/2, XY, and U/SM.
    Yeah, agreed. Probably the only way they can avert remakes is if they decide to add Virtual Console editions of those games and make sure they're compatable with the Pokemon Bank.

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    Cynthia was strongly implied to be from Celestic Town since that's where her family lives.

    Cynthia mainly bugs me because of the way she's so aggressively marketed and overexposed at the expense of other characters, whether it be bringing her back in BW despite those games being a hard reboot separate from past regions, or her daughter getting randomly shoved into M20 at Misty's expense despite her being completely irrelevant to Kanto and the OS era. I'm tired of seeing her show up everywhere, and I want to see other characters get their time in the spotlight for a change.

    Her fans are very annoying, too. They prop her up as this amazing "Strong Female Role Model" when it's plainly obvious that they only like her because she's hot.
    Yeah. I mean, Misty's pretty strong herself, even during the OS. And honestly, even though I don't mind her at all, she really shouldn't have to be present in all those places or used when it doesn't really suit her. At least with B2W2, the World Conference acted as a sufficient excuse for her to appear since it dealt with all the gym leaders, E4, and champs in all the regions up to that point (such a shame that the anime screwed that over. That would have been a PERFECT opportunity for not just Misty, but also Brock and even May and Max to return. Instead, they wasted a character cameo on Dawn despite her having zero reason to be in Sinnoh in the first place, not even having a gym leader relative, which May and Max at least would have had they appeared under the pretense of the World Conference.).

    Well, Celeste Town's at least where her relatives lived. Though I must admit, her saying "My house? Even the region is a secret!" in the context of her house in Platinum did seem to imply that she held residence in a region besides Sinnoh.

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    I don't think the site I looked up included VC sales.
    Well, then we still might have hope, since if VC sales are to be counted, USUM may not have surpassed at least Crystal.

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    I'd love to see M21 bomb, as well. Nothing I've seen of that movie so far appeals to me (looks like a poor rehash of M02, IMO), especially given that it's likely set in the same universe as M20.
    Yeah, agreed, and I've never been a particularly big fan of AUs (probably the only thing that's worse than an AU is someone outright retconning the heck out of every entry in actual canonical works). I'll tolerate an AU as long as there is an actual valid explanation for the need for an AU in-universe (like, for example, Stargate: Continuum, or Cinderella III: A Twist in Time, or even the 2009 Star Trek movie, all of which at least had time travel as an excuse for using an AU).

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    I hope so, too, especially if this is going to be the last saga with Ash as the main protagonist.
    Yeah, agreed. And I also hope they make sure they bring Misty back soon, especially considering that, while I'm no longer as sore about her being made gym leader largely because of the SM episode showcasing her time as a gym leader leaving her nearly invincible in combat to anyone not named Ash (heck, she and Brock if anything redeemed Gym Leaders' names after AG trashed them, with their getting bad results up to XY, with XY until that point coming the closest to truly redeeming them.), she still needs to resume her goal, plus, it's repeatedly emphasized that one can only grow stronger by traveling, meaning, for all her gains at the gym, even that won't suffice in the long term. She needs to resume her goal, especially when she's the only character barring possibly Max who was forced out of her goal. The others either pursued their goals or at the very least managed to choose of their own free will to change goals with no outside influences making them make that decision. And since we're pretty sure Misty and Brock are going to be returning before the end of SM thanks to them swearing to Ash that they'll visit Alola, that may be the perfect opportunity. Heck, a few twitter posts by Maasaki Iwane regarding artwork recently may actually imply that Misty at least may be returning soon:

    *https://twitter.com/animator1965/status/911192841610600448
    *https://twitter.com/animator1965/status/911193273254895621
    *https://twitter.com/animator1965/status/911195203729420288

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