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  1. Misheard Whisper
    October 6th, 2009 4:41 PM
    Misheard Whisper
    There are 27 entities within the bounds of Sunyshore City. Unless the other 49,973 people are hiding in concrete bunkers hidden in the streets, there are canonically no more.

    So why can you not apply that to the argument?

    You know what, instead of arguing, we should all be friends.

  2. Sydian
    October 6th, 2009 4:35 PM
    Ah, okay. Shows how much I payed attention then. But I agree on the latter. I can't see Oak really inventing anything.
  3. Sydian
    October 6th, 2009 4:20 PM
    Probably right on that one. Besides, he ordered them anyway, right? That's what's in the Parcel at the beginning of the game, I think.

    Nope. ^_^
  4. Sydian
    October 6th, 2009 4:11 PM
    Point taken. If the Pokedex actually has the entries stored somewhere, wouldn't you be able to hack it and say you caught everything?

    Beh, I know I didn't trade. I was just stupid and thought it applied to all my Pokemon. I was bright.

    Okay, I get it now. Badges are drugs, and when you have them, they're under the influence. Yeah, bad joke, but that's what you get for using that term.
  5. Misheard Whisper
    October 6th, 2009 4:05 PM
    Misheard Whisper
    OK, fine. Gotcha. :X

    What you seem to fail to realise is that you're preaching this in a forum full of fanfiction authors, including an awful lot of good ones. Good fanfiction authors have the skill to interpret canon to their own ends in their fanfiction, which is easier than trying to make everything fit exactly to what Nintendo has lain down. Canon says that Sunyshore City has solar panels for roads; I've made no mention of this as it would require a whole bloody chapter of explanation. I work around canon, using it as a framework, not inside it.

    As a matter of interest, canon says Sunyshore City has a permanent population of 27 people. I may just be nitpicking here, but I certainly don't hold to this in my fic. Some aspects of canon are limited by the medium in which they are presented (ie a handheld video game). If Sunyshore City had a reasonable, small-city population of, say, 50,000 people, the game wouldn't be able to handle it. It's the same with other aspects of the world, such as that you can bike from Hearthome to Solaceon in a matter of thirty seconds. All physical constrictions, yes? But other things are limited, too. The myths and legends of the region are largely universalised. You hear the same story all over the place. Whereas in real life, I could wander around the country, stopping in every town to find someone who knew a certain legend, and hear a different version from every person. One person in, say, Cianwood might tell me that the Slowpoke legend is invalid, and give me a perfectly scientific explanation for why the rain fell all of a sudden (eg a low-pressure front rolled in and a Slowpoke just happened to yawn at the moment it struck). Then I could go back to Azalea and tell them they're all dickheads for believing that crap, and convince them, through evidence, persuasion and sexiness (^_~), that they were wrong all the while. Slowpoke would lose its legendary status (I just realised I brought it back around to this again D: Gah.). Then, I could try to do the same thing with Ho-oh and the three dogs/cats/gerbils. I can prove all I like that the rain fell because a Beautifly flapped its wings in Hoenn, but the fact remains that Ho-oh is a big mofo flaming bird, the likes of which is bloody uncommon, even in the Pokemon world.

    tl;dr version: Canon is a building block, not a wall.
  6. Sydian
    October 6th, 2009 4:03 PM
    The Pokedex comes to mind.

    I used to think that would happen, so I started a new game when I had a level 69 Blaziken. Couldn't figure out the puzzle in the last gym. :/ And I must've missed that part in the manga...but Red had Poliwhirl and no badges and he did just fine.
  7. Sydian
    October 6th, 2009 3:43 PM
    Dunno anything about the energised thing, but as for the badges, I think the "obeying" only applies to the Pokemon that are traded.
  8. Sydian
    October 6th, 2009 3:34 PM
    I'm sorry. D: I hardly go to the lounge cause I know there's more arguments and noobs in there nowadays. Back when I joined, we were like a tight clan...we even had a fan fic lounge orgy. I'll try to find that post...but yeah. D:
  9. ShinjisLover
    October 6th, 2009 3:16 PM
    Shrike Flamestar's posts got tl;dr. XD

    As for my opinion, I don't think you're dumb. That's just the way you see it. Personally, I see it a tad bit different. Then again, I have a mixture of anime/game canon, so it gets confusing, even for me.
  10. Misheard Whisper
    October 6th, 2009 3:08 PM
    Misheard Whisper
    Again, we have legends here about how little birds manage to end wars between sky and land and so forth, but nobody calls them legendary. By general definition, a legendary creature is one with characteristics not seen normally, like the taniwha (a river demon thing), the phoenix (BURNING) or the Leviathan (HUUUUUGE mofo).

    That's not how everyone else sees it.
  11. ShinjisLover
    October 6th, 2009 3:08 PM
    Is it gunna tl;dr on me? XD
  12. Misheard Whisper
    October 6th, 2009 3:01 PM
    Misheard Whisper
    I'm also saying legendary. I've never played G/S/C, but I don't recall any instance of Azalea (I think) locals telling legends about Slowpoke. It's akin to how people in a small country village might treat, say, a colony of beavers nearby with respect because they've been there for yonks or something. Or a more localised example, the native people of my country have many legends. Some of these are about birds. Not birds, like the phoenix or the roc, which have an undisputed place in legend, but common, everyday birds I might see any day of the week, like the tui or the pukeko. Does that make them legends? I think not. I can go down to the lake right now and see dozens of 'legends' strutting around in the reeds.

    And what do you mean by 'apparently'?
  13. ShinjisLover
    October 6th, 2009 2:58 PM
    I'd definitely like to see this.
  14. Misheard Whisper
    October 6th, 2009 2:49 PM
    Misheard Whisper
    Well, I don't play the Japanese versions, so I don't know that. And, as pointed out in the Lounge, the fact that a few people in a backwater town in Johto regard it as sacred =/= legendary.

    And what was the infraction for?
  15. ShinjisLover
    October 6th, 2009 2:49 PM
    What did you do?

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