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February 23rd, 2015 6:38 PMCerberus87Which means that the lack of Fairy weakness, alone, isn't enough to make a Dragon good.But it helps making Mega Zard X better than Salamence.
Black Kyurem has always suffered not because of its Dragon typing, but because of its other typing. In fact, Ice is such a weak type that it has exactly FOUR Pokémon in UU or higher: Black Kyurem, Mamoswine, Weavile, and Cloyster. If you want to defend an unfairly underpowered type, look at Ice, not Dragon.White Kyurem is Ice and still Uber.
Ghost is in a similar situation as Ice, and it's by no means a poor type. Hits everything neutral apart from Normal and Dark. Immune to Normal. Blocks Rapid Spin. Yet lots of the prominent Ghost-types are below UU, including Mega Banette.
My point wasn't that Dragon is underpowered, but that it wasn't as overpowered as Psychic was in 1st gen, which is obvious when you realize Psychic had zero weaknesses back then and most Psychics had gigantic Special.
Which means that Fairies didn't really hurt them all that much.They did hurt Haxorus which was a power hitter with not much else going for it. In UU it only has Florges to worry about.
Well, that's because the vast majority of Dragons were Legendaries and Pseudos to begin with, which was another issue in and of itself.Not an issue when lore dictates Dragons are supposed to be strong and rare.
That being said, even the weaker Dragons still remained in UU, which is more than your average Ice, Grass, or Poison type could say. Their typing clearly was still helping them. (Kind of like how in RBY, even the worst Psychics--Hypno and Mr. Mime--were still superior to the best Fighting types and Bugs.)
Kingdra and Flygon aren't weak. The "weakest" Dragons were Altaria and Druddigon, and they were NU and RU respectively.
Yes, Ninetales is a sad case, and it is a shame that she plummeted all the way down to the Muk Tier. She could really use a buff, like a Fire/Ghost Mega with a large boost to Speed and Sp. Attack.Fire/Ghost? So that it outclasses/is outclassed by Chandelure? Preferably it should be a defensive one, so that it doesn't compete with Chandelure. (although it's likely this will be its typing, after GF gave us Fire/Dragon Mega Charizard)
Of course, competitive has never been a kind place for Fire types and for one big, obvious reason. Gen 5 also made things even worse for them with the dominance of Drizzle Politoed.
Stealth Rock does help knock down certain Pokémon, but it's not an excuse. If you're powerful enough, you can circumvent it. It's generally agreed that very few Pokémon would jump from lower tiers to OU without SR, and, since for you, UU = trash, removing it would be worthless. The rocks hurt Articuno for example, but their absence won't move it to OU overnight. With the current state of the metagame, it might even make certain things broken (case in point: Mega Zard Y, murders almost everything with Fire Blast and is given the ability to switch in with impunity).
Which indicates a problem with Smogon's tiers. Even then, though, a Pokémon has major issues if it struggles to compete in even UU, let alone OU.So it's a problem with Smogon's tiers that Farfetch'd is supposed to be a joke Pokémon?
The thing is, it's obvious there seems to be less care for NU than OU. The official tournaments don't follow the Smogon tiers, which means they favor OU as it's the strongest tier. So it's understandable that there's more effort put on balancing OU than the other tiers. Even then, VGC is radically different from OU, since Nintendo rules allow the regular Pokémon that Smogon bans, such as Mega Blaziken and Mega Salamence. Also, more people care about OU simply because it's the strongest regular tier, much like how more people follow the Premier League instead of the Championship in English football.
But now in 6th gen there are people wanting to create a tier below NU, to make more Pokémon see play. And, no, even in a PU tier, Farfetch'd wouldn't be a top threat. It's a joke Pokémon, it always was, and, unless they give it an overpowered Mega, such as what they did with Mawile (which managed to get itself banned to Ubers), Farfetch'd will always remain a joke Pokémon.
UU isn't bad at all, it's only the second-tier, there are nearly 400 fully evolved Pokémon, and 48 Mega Evolutions to take into account, especially when some Pokémon have the luxury of choosing whether to play their Megas or not. Some of them are going to be better than others. Even then, there are plenty of UU Pokémon which are usable in OU. Charizard was NU last gen but Smogon lists movesets for Charizard across all tiers. Tiers are based on usage, if it isn't used often it'll go down, then if it's too strong it's banned from the lower tier, but in theory it can be used in OU, it's just that its strategy is less effective. And, much like in my English football example, although the Championship has less quality players than the Premier League, that doesn't necessarily make it any less fun.
Which is why it could use a Mega or some other similar kind of buff.I don't think it would jump to OU just with a Mega. They did a few things to help it through the generations, and they weren't enough. Articuno sucks since 4th gen, maybe even before that, and it wasn't that powerful in 1st gen, despite having access to accurate Blizzard. -
February 23rd, 2015 1:44 PMCerberus87Dragalge is slow, not powerful offensively, and had a muk ability prior to ORAS.
Black Kyurem is one of the biggest fails in Pokémon history, and you're using it as an example of how Dragons still succeed? Granted, Fairy-type didn't move it out of OU, but it's still only there because of its gigantic stats. Black Kyurem being OU is akin to Articuno being in NU: an abnormality. As for the Latis, they can only be used in OU because Soul Dew has always been banned there. And, just like Dark-type didn't make Psychic unusable, the strongest Dragon-types would survive the Fairy onslaught. The Latis have excellent Speed and offensive stats. Their Megas aren't good because the offensive boosts are higher with other items.
Only if they're Legendaries (Mew, Celebi, Jirachi, the Latis), or have a useful secondary type and Mega (Gardevoir, Gallade, Metagross, Slowbro). Starmie and Gothitelle are the only exceptions, and both are used for reasons other than their typings being good. (In fact, both wish they had other typings.)So what? Have you even seen what's OU among Dragon-types in 5th gen? Only legendaries and pseudos, too. Haxorus is the only exception, but its stats are skewed and offensively better than other Dragons. Kingdra was OU at the beginning of 5th gen, too, but that was MUCH more because of Swift Swim and permanent rain than because of its Dragon-type. Once you took that out (Swift Swim), down to UU it went. The weaker Dragons did not punch above UU.
Yes, because how dare Azumarill, Clefable, and Gardevoir have a shot at the higher tiers! OU should be nothing but the same 30 Dragon/Steel/Fighting types, dammit!That's an exaggeration, and you know it.
You cite Ninetales and Charizard, yet you conveniently forget where Charizard was just a Generation ago. In fact, the inverse relationship between Charizard's popularity and its competitive performance had become a running joke on Smogon. Do you think it was right for Charizard to continuously wallow in the Crap Tier along with such powerhouses like Farfetch'd and Luvdisc? Same goes for Kangaskhan and Mawile.While I certainly enjoy Charizard being OU, I don't think it should've been at the expense of Ninetales, a Pokémon which was ruined by the Special split in 2nd gen. Ninetales is psyducking PU in 6th gen. PU!!! That is, below NU! And it was never OU except for 5th gen, and only because of Drought. Charizard, on the other hand, enjoyed a certain degree of success in 3rd gen. If you're going to defend the weaker side, you'll have more success with Ninetales than with Charizard.
Charizard being in NU with Farfetch'd and Luvdisc is not realistic, because they're not equal, even when grouped the same. Charizard is one of the top NU threats, while Farfetch'd is a joke Pokémon that is at the bottom of the usage stats even in NU. The affirmation that Charizard and Farfetch'd "share a tier" is a fallacy, because, in reality, they've never been in the same league, as NU has the dual duty of being an official tier as well as a dumpster for joke stuff like Farfetch'd, Delibird, and Luvdisc.
Being "strong in-game" doesn't mean jack if the Pokémon can't function in competitive, which, let's face it, is the main thing that matters nowadays. Lots of things can function in Story Mode, especially when it's as easy and dumbed-down as XY's, so a Pokémon being "strong" there doesn't mean anything. And, Story Mode just isn't GF's biggest priority anymore. Nowadays, the "real" game is supposed to start after you beat the E4, get access to the Battle Facility, and start breeding/EV-ing a "real" team. You don't have to like it (I certainly don't), but it is what it is.You miss the point. I've never mentioned in-game. I was talking in terms of brute strength. Black Kyurem's BST is 700, and it has a base Attack of one hundred psyducking seventy points. It's one of the strongest Pokémon in the game. Yet, it doesn't have enough tools to succeed in the Uber tier. You can bet if Articuno had some sort of overpowered ability instead of Pressure, and more variety in offensive moves, it would leave NU, despite being Ice/Flying type, especially when its type combination is unique apart from a weakling like Delibird. -
February 23rd, 2015 1:21 AMCerberus87Not being weak to Fairies is huge. Also, Mega Zard X has a secondary STAB that's actually useful, unlike (regular) Salamence.
Dragonite is bad in OU and people keep saying it should be knocked down. Black Kyurem is only OU because of its gigantic stats. The Lati Twins have Megas.
You forget the Special split was as much if not more influential in knocking down Psychics than the introduction of the Dark-type. Alakazam, Exeggutor lost a lot of Special bulk, while others like Hypno lost offense. In the current metagame there are a lot of Psychic-types at the top.
"And, think of all of the previously low tier Pokémon who got a much-needed second chance because of the Fairy Type." at the expense of others, no thanks. All the Fairy-type did was change who's at the top. But that's not only the Fairy-type's doing, of course. Ninetales was knocked from OU all the way down to NU because of Mega Zard Y and the fact you can't use Drought in the lower tiers. For every NU Pokémon who got bumped up I can recite an opposite example of a Pokémon that was OU but got knocked down because of power creep. Fairy-type didn't bring "balance", it merely changed who's at the top.
But, something's not much of a "prize" if it's a poor battler. It's just a glorified novelty Pokémon and a waste of time and effort to catch outside of Dex completion. In fact, it makes you question how the likes of Articuno and Entei are even "Legendary" when they're so weak.Strength and inadequacy to the metagame are two completely different things. Charizard has always been a strong Pokémon, but its strategies were simply ineffective. The only way you'd boost Articuno would be to recreate the Pokémon with different stats, different ability, different type even, like they did with Clefable and Gardevoir by adding to them a type that conveniently happens to be a hard counter to the previous strongest type. There are LOTS of strong Pokémon in NU of all tiers, and they're only there because the strategies they're capable of are ineffective in the metagame, or there's something else that does the same thing as them but better. In fact, there are so many, and strong, Pokémon in NU cannibalizing weaklings like Butterfree that Smogon is considering creating a tier below it.
Finally, a Pokémon being NU doesn't preclude you from using it in higher tiers. In fact, I'm pretty sure I've seen mention of certain NU Pokémon excelling in Ubers because their strategy set was simply more tailored to the Uber tier than to OU, for example. -
February 22nd, 2015 11:37 PMEternalSushiI don't know too much about them, other than psychic being overpowered back then apparently. Xp
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February 22nd, 2015 9:44 PMEternalSushiWoah, yeah, I believe the hype was quite rad back then. Did you enjoy it as much as the other?
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February 22nd, 2015 8:03 PMEternalSushiAhhh dang it, a lot, you know? Canalave is nice, Eterna is nice...there's a lot of good routes too like 228 and 225 and....;w;
What's your first game? :D -
February 22nd, 2015 5:53 PMEternalSushiGen IV, not really because it's my first game and, but because it's got superior music with souuuulll. The composers really put effort into it and you can tell when you compose Pokemon-like stuff for a 'living' x3 Also Lucario was in 4th gen! :D Though I do have to say that Cyrus having Galactic hideouts in broad daylight is kind of dumb...
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February 22nd, 2015 5:42 PMEternalSushiWoah, you know a lot about Pokemon :3
//I totally didn't check your recent posts because I'm bored and wanna see the people online -
February 22nd, 2015 2:43 PMCerberus87Of course they have. Salamence of all things is UU, because Mega Zard X deals better with Fairies.
Pokémon is far more complex than just who has higher BST. If Talonflame didn't have Gale Wings I bet it would be RU at best, maybe UU. And I really think certain Pokémon, mostly the legendaries, are more meant to be prizes, which is why they never gave Entei enough tools to surpass Arcanine and gave all the good moves to the latter. -
February 22nd, 2015 12:31 PMCerberus87Alakazam in RBY was nearly broken, it being knocked down a notch was a good thing. :P UU isn't exactly terrible, the problem is that in 4th gen GF came up with something called Azelf which was a much superior Pokémon to Alakazam. But Azelf is legendary so it kinda deserved to be better.
In 5th gen Alakazam got Magic Guard which is vastly superior to Azelf's Levitate so it turned the tables again.
Betty, in most games in existence there's always the strong and the weak, balance is desirable and I'll always fight for it, but balancing Pokémon is nearly impossible with so many fully evolved Pokémon and even some NFEs being used in competitive. This is why I prefer when GF creates Pokémon without consideration for the metagame. And this isn't the case of only the weak, but also the banned ones with their unique gimmicks like Aegislash. Things like Mega Salamence show GF probably knows deep down they can't balance this game. -
February 22nd, 2015 5:16 AMCerberus87You overrate the elemental punches. Alakazam's Focus Miss is huge, because it never had a way of dealing with Dark-types before. Sceptile lost Leaf Blade but got Energy Ball, Grass Knot and Leaf Storm, lost Dragon Claw but got better Dragon Pulse. Blaziken got Flare Blitz off superior Attack. Gengar has always had better alternatives to the punches, too.
Alakazam did drop to UU in 4th gen, which coincided with it losing the punches, but it was BL in previous gens anyway, and it's better to excel in a lower tier than to be banned from it and suck in a higher one. Alakazam is UU in 6th gen even with Dazzling Gleam, so it's probably just a case of a Pokémon that hasn't kept up with the power creep. -
February 21st, 2015 10:24 PMOmegaRuby and AlphaSapphireI feel sorry for Blue, as his grandfather scolds him instead of congratulating him for being champion at least for a moment.
Do you think Silver changed a little too fast? -
February 21st, 2015 6:57 PMOmegaRuby and AlphaSapphireMy interpretation of Blue as a rival is that he's a jerk-friendly rival (opposed to the mostly pure jerk Silver) opposed to the kind-friendly rivals that Wally and the recent rivals have been.
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February 21st, 2015 12:01 AMCerberus87A new battle system is used for Pokémon Diamond and Pearl. In this new battle system, attacks are declared either physical or special by how the attack itself operates, i.e. whether the attack touches the enemy or not, instead of the attack type, as was previously the case. For example, ThunderPunch is now physical and Hyper Beam turns into special. This was initially highly controversial with fans of the series, as it was considered to "waste" some of the Pokémon that were more powerful in Generation III, like Blaziken and Sceptile, though it now allows for a more versatile set of moves to be viable for these Pokémon.Dumb fans. {XD}
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February 20th, 2015 10:08 PMOmegaRuby and AlphaSapphireWould you like to see friendship moments between Green/Blue and the player character? I mean actual friendship line moments, not the more shippable moments that the XY Pc and Shauna had, or the ORAS PCs with one another. More like Wally and the Hoenn PC is what I mean. Green/Blue's friendship in FRLG (and likely the Originals considering it the remakes were closer to the originals) with the player was quite rival focused most of the time (I did feel moments of actual friendship between the two which is odd given how much of a jerk he was at times, with HGSS showing how much he cares for his friend (Red)).
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