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  1. Cerberus87
    January 11th, 2015 10:33 AM
    Cerberus87
    How so?
    Well, Alakazam I would probably understand, as it's a bit tricky to get rid of due to his Speed, but Gallade, although powerful, is kinda slow. He could be a gym leader main, but not last E4 main.

    If canon interaction was a requirement for shipping, then you wouldn't be able to ship Karen with anybody. In fact, the list of possible ships, in general, would be very tiny and mostly limited to player characters and rivals (who are largely boring, IMO).

    I don't think it's unrealistic that Karen and Clair would know each other. Karen's room is right next to that of Clair's own cousin, and you know that Clair probably visits him often.
    It's more that I had a crush on Karen and turning her into a lesbian would make her into someone unattainable to me. :P (she's fictional, but you get the point)

    Well, I have a thing for well-written romances and character interaction, in general.

    I think I do recall plotting out a variation of it before HGSS, even giving a name (which I have since forgotten) to Archer's Gen 2 counterpart and setting it on Cinnabar Island and the Orange Islands (because I had only played the original RBY and didn't know about either FRLG or the Sevii Islands).
    I like romance, too, but I can never imagine characters involved in them... Guess I'm just not much of a shipper.

    I never actually made stories with the Pokémon characters, but I did ship my OC with one of the numerous Nurse Joys. :P

    Alas, a lot of things were censored in the localizations.
    Specifically, I was referring to that ferris wheel thing in BW.

    If you ask me, I'm more than ready to see another Champion who's a rival, or even, the region's professor.

    You're 100% right about Cynthia. I'm more than glad XY didn't bring her back again (although the same could not be said for Looker, sadly).
    Yeah, someone unusual, who doesn't look like a Champion. Lysandre was too obviously the villain in XY, and Diantha ended up not making much sense. When you meet her at the league, she's "oh that character from way back in the beginning".

    It's strange how after all these years, we have yet to see an evil team led by a woman. Having good female villains is just as important as having good female heroes, IMO.
    Most of the female villains are underlings and cute fanservice. In Team Flare, you have lots of admin girls, but they still seem under Xerosic, who's under Lysandre. I think it's some kind of reverse sexism that protects women from being villains, lol. Or even stronger sexism that deems women as not capable.

    Well, most of the Champions are meant to be heroic characters, admittedly. (Plus, Lance, Wallace, and Iris still get widely bashed by the fandom, whether it's for "cheating" or being "weak." Only Steven is worshiped as much as Cynthia, which I also have a problem with.)
    If you ask me, I think Steven is boring. :P Wallace seems to be bashed because he stole Steven's place. I prefer Steven as Champion and Wallace as gym leader because Juan was kinda redundant, but Wallace was a little bit harder in Emerald because I chose Torchic.
  2. Cerberus87
    January 11th, 2015 10:00 AM
    Cerberus87
    Actually, Scizor did have one Bug attack, albeit not a great move.

    I can see your point on that one. Movepools back then then were kind of limited. That's why I love playing ROM hacks that fix these issues.
    Makes me wonder if GF thought Fury Cutter was enough (hint: it wasn't). :P

    Scizor had signature move Metal Claw but it was also too weak (barely stronger than Scratch).

    But, it's a cute fairytale dragon, so why not? Dragon/Fairy was made for her!
    When even Blissey is Fairy like and wasn't touched with the pixilator, I think Dragonite doesn't have a chance.

    (people wanted Milotic to be Fairy, too, but it didn't happen either)

    Salamence is a deformed lizard with wings, not at all mythical, magical, or interesting. And, there's nothing "mythical" about dinosaurs, creatures that actually existed in nature. In fact, it wasn't until the most recent Gens that GF even started giving the type to dinosaur Pokémon (otherwise, Tropius probably would've been the long-awaited Grass/Dragon).
    The Dragon type is a bit weird, because we see things like Flygon which isn't a dragon and is more closely related to a bug receive Dragon type, yet Gyarados for example is a Chinese dragon but not Dragon type (only a dragon in spirit).

    That's mean, LOL.
    It's not. Which is the worst route in GSC? The one between Olivine and Cianwood. Which happens to be the water route. The Hoenn ocean is that multiplied by 10.

    I agree. And, besides, remakes that copy/paste the originals tend to be muke. Hoenn fans should be lucky that they got a quality product.
    There are some Hoenn fans who hate Zinnia because she "ruined the story" and "stole the show". :P

    Well, it's the mascot, what can you do? I prefer Raichu, myself, but I realize that GF (and the franchise, overall) pretty much wants to forget that it ever existed. They deny it the Light Ball, deliberately exclude it from marketing (even when Pichu's included), and give it ugly sprites that make it look like a fat bully. As what is probably the ultimate insult, they gave the newest Pikaclone Raichu's color scheme AND the Fairy typing it far more deserved. At this rate, we'll probably see Pikachu "magically" become the first mid-evolution to Mega Evolve.
    That would be terrible. :(

    Although, I think a Mega Pikachu would only work if it had some kind of uber ability. And, it would make the Light Ball redundant (although that hasn't stopped them from making Mega Latios/Latias).
  3. OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
    January 10th, 2015 10:25 PM
    OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
    I wouldn't say that...I mean there's a sizable chuck of the fanbase that hates remakes and wants GF to just make new regions rather than to go back to it's roots every gen or so. I saw many of them in both here and real life when RSE remakes were being debated...
    Also some who bought XY didn't buy OrAs but some who brought OrAs didn't buy XY either.
    In the end OrAs may not outsell XY too...I mean FrLg and HgSs had very strong early sales but they died down quickly after awhile, and I have a feeling OrAs may be the case...

    Also I doubt that GF would do that with a game or games they are probably already half way or more done at this point.
  4. OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
    January 10th, 2015 5:34 PM
    OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
    Except for Kanto which is a broken base in the fandom :(

    I don't know...I mean Platinum did better than Emerald which did better than Crystal irc and B2W2 did better than all of them so the thread should be better sales for Z or X2 Y2 or Z1 Z2.
  5. OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
    January 10th, 2015 1:18 PM
    OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
    Heck, I think it'll convince them to remake Sinnoh earlier too, same with the other regions (Johto second go around too).
  6. Cerberus87
    January 10th, 2015 11:39 AM
    Cerberus87
    Oh and some fans ship Prof. Juniper and Fennel, last I remember.
  7. Cerberus87
    January 10th, 2015 10:49 AM
    Cerberus87
    It's still not something that should be a final E4 member's ace. Maybe, as a Gym Leader ace or even, a first or second E4 ace, but not a final E4 member. They need to have something larger and stronger.
    Well, Lucian has Alakazam and Gallade... Both aren't "last E4 member eligible", IMO.

    The only Pokémon stronger than Umbreon were Houndoom and Tyranitar, and she has Houndoom. Tyranitar was meant as a surprise to the player, though it greatly annoys me how no prominent trainer uses it as their main.

    Which is why he should've had Slowking as his ace, instead. (If I was going to let him exist, that is... )
    I don't see what's so terrible about him, tbh. But Slowking would've been better. Still, he already has Slowbro. If Slowbro was his main, then I'd hate him with all my guts. :P

    I know. Her team is terrible. Could they have, at least, padded it with other types, like they did with the DP Elite Four?
    On the other hand, this is a character I'd erase...

    I'm all for LGBT representation, but the real stuff, not fanservice crap (which isn't real representation to begin with). I like the idea of Karen/Clair, myself, but I treat them as a real, legitimate couple.
    I don't see how that would work, myself, as there's no canon interaction between them. :P People do yuri of Skyla/Elesa but more as a fetish thing.

    I like to play them as complimentary--Lorelei as the cold, rational scientist who mainly uses Pokémon based on real animals (with a few exceptions) and Lance as the warm, intuitive dreamer who mainly uses Pokémon based on fairytale/mythological creatures (hence the reason why Gyarados is a more suitable Pokémon for him than Garchomp, despite the typings). Lorelei is reclusive and has trouble expressing her feelings, while Lance is outgoing and wears his heart on his sleeve (aka. a total Drama King).

    Lance is one of the only people Lorelei is willing to show her "softer side" to, and being around him "thaws" her out, making her feel warmer and more outgoing (her hypothetical Sevii Champion team would have more Water types to symbolize this). He respects Lorelei as a person, and isn't at all threatened by her strength; he doesn't get upset when he loses to her (which is often). This is meant to be contrasted with her ex-boyfriend, Archer, who was very abusive and a toxic influence on Lorelei emotionally, hardening her heart and making her even more of a recluse. Being with Lance heals the damage done by Archer.

    In short, Lance is a Manic Pixie Dream Guy (but still far more developed than the more common female MPDGs are), the sweet, beautiful young man (I always write him as 2-3 years younger than Lorelei) who teaches the "broodingly soulful" Lorelei to "embrace life and its infinite mysteries and adventures." I hate this trope as it plays out "normally," yet love it when the genders are flipped. It also happens to fly in the face of another annoying trope (with Lorelei being the rational scientist and Lance being the emotional nature boy, running around with dragons in a cape).
    Speaking of Lance, the Brazilian VA is horrible. :P

    I don't ship characters... At all... You have developed your headcanon for Lorelei and Lance pretty well. Is this story older than Archer? (since Archer was created in HGSS)

    There's no love in Pokémon. :(

    Speaking of LGBT representation, some characters in the Japanese BW were the same gender as the player, and there was hint of homoromantic interaction coming from them. The localized versions changed them to the opposite gender, though.

    I can take or leave Iris, myself, but she isn't any more or less characterized than Cynthia, nor is her team any more or less "original" than, say, Lance's. It just looks problematic as heck to praise the tall white blonde woman to high heavens for being the "Ultimate Female Role Model," while bashing and dismissing the young black girl for the same thing.

    I have literally even seen people say that they wished Cynthia was the only female Champion ever so she would be "special." Like, what the hell, fandom.
    I think Iris made no sense as Champion. 5th gen had weak Champions IMO. Alder is worse than Ghetsis and Iris is an inferior Lance.

    Cynthia's appearance in BW was pure fanservice. She had, like, no reason to be in Unova at all. They could've created a mini-quest for the Undella Bay ruins instead.

    Tell me about it. No, GF, giving Brendan a slight tan does NOT make up for the removal of skin tone selection. (Especially, when he still looks white in the games.)

    I'm not the biggest fan of Bruno, but I hate how much FRLG and HGSS whitewashed him from his original brown-skinned look. I was more than glad to see ORAS do the opposite to his friend, Brawly. Same goes for Team Aqua. And, yet, dumb fans STILL complained about their skin color being made darker, while not a peep was said about Bruno being bleached.
    Didn't notice Bruno's whitewashing.

    Still, it's funny how everyone in Hoenn is white or tanned, and the only ones who are black are Team Aqua members. In Kalos, everyone from Team Flare was white, too, although there were various black NPCs.

    I'd like to see a woman leading the next evil team. Then, to compensate, the Champion could be a man again.

    To me, the difference between a strong female character and a Strong Female Character (TM), is well, the difference between her and her. The latter was created specifically to be a Perfect Role Model who's flawless and the bestest at everything, and as a result, is an extremely boring, vapid shell of a character. The former, on the other hand, was created as a person, first, and thus, has flaws, insecurities, and even, weaknesses that make her interesting and well-rounded. (And, yet, guess which one fans are more likely to dismiss with the "B-word"? )
    Yeah, Cynthia is surprisingly undeveloped for someone who is the Champion AND has a recurring role in the story. But other Champions are the same, IMO. I don't see any flaws in Lance, Steven or Wallace, or even Iris. The only Champions who have some kind of significant flaw are Blue and Alder.
  8. Cerberus87
    January 10th, 2015 10:12 AM
    Cerberus87
    Well, I think Lick, itself, can be to blame for that. It was the only normal damage-dealing Ghost attack that existed at all in Gen 1, and since it was a contact move, the entire type was made Physical. When Dark was introduced a Generation later, it ended up having the exact same SE matchups as Ghost, so they made it a Special type to differentiate the two, despite all of Dark's attacks being contact moves. Thankfully, the P/S Split came and rectified this two Gens later.
    And also they didn't give a psyduck about balance, so it was perfectly okay for Gengar to have physical Shadow Ball despite the obvious thing being to give him special moves (due to his stats).

    As much as I love the first games, going back to them is hard for me because of it. I'll swallow the new EV system, but not go back to an age when Scizor didn't learn Bug moves.

    Well, the Legendaries are obviously "mythical" (Dialga and Palkia even border on being gods), and they usually have the more interesting type combos (instead of the very plain Dragon, Dragon/Flying, and Dragon/Ground).

    But, when it comes to non-Legendary Dragons, really only the Dratini line (who should've been retconned to Dragon/Fairy, IMO), Altaria (also should've been retconned; based on the Peng), and the Deino line (based on the Yamata no Orochi and Lernaean Hydra) seem genuinely "mythical." On the other hand, there's nothing "mythical" or "special" about generic brutes like Salamence, Garchomp, and Haxorus.
    Don't touch my Dragonite with the pixilator! :P

    Salamence is a dragon, so he's "mythical". Garchomp is probably only Dragon because of his status. As for Haxorus, he's inspired by a dinosaur, and the Dragon type takes cues from dinosaurs (for example, the weakness to Ice). Same thing with Tyrantrum.

    Oh, I know how you feel. I got sick of "HOENN CONFIRMED!" long before even XY came out. I couldn't help but laugh when those same people, just a year later, said ORAS "sucked" because it didn't have a Battle Frontier or wasn't a 3D copy/paste of the originals.
    Everyone knows the real reason ORAS sucks is because it's based on Hoenn. Too much water.

    The games were never going to be a copy/paste of the originals, because they wanted to promote Mega Evolution. Fans who expected that deserved to be frustrated.

    I see what you mean. I think Heracross was meant to take the place of a "Pinsir evolution," because as Scizor was to Scyther, Heracross was essentially a stronger, more upgraded version of Pinsir with a better typing. Thankfully, Pinsir got its Mega (along with Scizor and Heracross, a rare example of parallelism on GF's part), and that problem was rectified.
    I'm happier with how they turned out. Heracross looks more like a rival to Pinsir rather than an evolution.

    Ironic, since that unevolving Pikachu was the only way to get a Light Ball in GSC. Yeah, that's right, the thing always came with a Light Ball, yet, you couldn't use it (unless you uploaded your Yellow cart to Stadium 2 and used Pikachu there).
    If they remade Yellow NOW, Pikachu would be very powerful.

    I personally hate the Pikachu favoritism. It has a lot of stuff that would be more useful in other Pokémon. Luxray would love to have Volt Tackle, for example.
  9. OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
    January 10th, 2015 8:34 AM
    OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
    Yup, I even mentioned that about RB saving the GB before. They really did a lot. I do consider them number one due to the unfair advantage of Tetris...meaning every Red/Blue pair of mascots have been number one.
  10. OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
    January 9th, 2015 11:14 PM
    OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
    Interestingly Red and Blue's number one place can be debated as Tetris is number one but that one was packaged with the system so it's kind of unfair, plus that's usually not counting GBC games...btw I really see your point on the GB/C practically considered the same system...
    Thus...in the end the 'Dork Age' and the 'New Dork Age' (XY? Great,the Kalos games are my fourth favorite games after Hoenn, Sinnoh, and Johto) Pokemon games may be the only number one games of a system...
  11. OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
    January 9th, 2015 11:03 PM
    OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
    Well it wasn't really Gen III's fault as the GBA had a short life and thus low sales. Gen III likely had a higher percent of the GBA sales than the other generations, actually all three releases (RS, Fr, E) were the best selling games on the GBA. Obviously Gen IV and Gen V couldn't even do that for the DS. Not sure how well Yellow did in GB sales, or Crystal in GBC sales. Ahh...I found out that GS were the sixth best selling GB/C game when put as a pair.

    Tbh I feel almost as if you just called me a dork by calling it that...
    Well RS(E) were regarded as cult classics after some time had passed. Actually the Gen III games were very sought after that Europe had to import some from the US according to Wikipedia (maybe that's why Europe had a later release...the remakes sold very hotly there like the originals did).

    Interestingly Gen IV is now called the Dork Age (I like Sinnoh though too...obviously I must like the worst of the bunch then...) despite having better sales...

    Here I thought the speculation surrounding RSE remakes was polarizing...it seems Kanto re-remakes have two very opinionated sides. One wants it, and the other absolutely hates the idea of going to Kanto a fifth time. Honestly, the anti side has little backing behind their points other than just hating Kanto or not wanting to visit it a fifth time...not like anyone is forcing them to buy the games though...
  12. OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
    January 9th, 2015 10:21 PM
    OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
    Why did they mention all the systems minus the GBA? If any should've been skipped it should've been the GBC as some (including you) consider it the same as the GB...I guess it might have something to do with the sales though...

    Did you know that the highest selling games for the GB,GBC, and GBA were the first pairs of the newest Generations (though it's the third version if you split up the sales into their respective games). Only the DS generations failed...meanwhile the 3DS best selling game(s) are XY but it seems ORAS is ready to get the crown it's originals occupied with the GBA.
  13. OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
    January 9th, 2015 8:01 PM
    OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
    Speaking of Sinnoh the trees in OrAs remind me of the trees in Pt...and the deep verdant color of the grass reminds me of it too. Since Sinnoh is my Johto I guess I just want to see Sinnoh in everything like I did with Hoenn...

    Speaking of HgSs I noticed that GF put the Weather trio in fighting type gym island (Cianwood) and like wise they put the Creation trio in OrAs over Dewford which occupies a similar spot in Hoenn ( being at the edge of their maps plus having fighting gyms).

    I wonder if perhaps the Tao trio will be placed in the far lower right corner of the Sinnoh region in Sinnoh remakes too...

    Which region do you think is least connected with the others culturally/legend wise? Kalos is linked to Unova and kind of with Hoenn and Kanto, Unova is linked to Kalos and Sinnoh (the cavern with the Lake trio), Sinnoh is linked with Johto, Hoenn is linked to...well AZ forms a tie with Kalos and the apperance of the other legendaries after putting back the Pokémon that once inhabited Hoenn (according to Birch) implies that it's connected to all the regions minus Kanto (but FrLg connected those two...), Johto is linked to Kanto, Hoenn, and Sinnoh (the ruins for the last two).
  14. OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
    January 9th, 2015 4:28 PM
    OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
    Well OrAs also took out things that were in Gen III Hoenn sadly...and not just the Emerald stuff either. I would say HgSs did the best job at adding missing thing while adding things from it's third version and not losing features that would still work in the DS (as the printer was a goner of course). I'm not just referring to Suicune, but the Battle Tower appearing plus being expanded into the Pt BF.
  15. OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
    January 9th, 2015 4:23 PM
    OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
    Even Gen II Kanto actually as it was empty... and Gen IV Kanto had little of interest but at least it was complete (looking like it's Gen III self but modernized with the additions in Gen II)...

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