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  1. Aquilae
    May 22nd, 2008 1:04 AM
    I like to abuse IPL's JollyWobb strat, meh...

    If by the logic that OU pokemon could beat Ubers, and Ubers cannot get past certain OU pokemon, you could just lump EVERYTHING in one tier. Metagross, Ttar, Blissey, Garchomp all are used in Ubers to great success due to their ability to counter several Uber pokemon and/or pose a significant threat on their own.

    Overcentralisation is the one and only criteria for Ubers.
    Usage statistics are the one and only thing that differentiates OU, BL, UU and NU.
  2. Anti
    May 21st, 2008 4:01 PM
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  3. Anti
    May 21st, 2008 11:29 AM
    My greatest fear could be realized: OUs turning into a mini uber metagame.

    Regardless of how you feel about Wobbuffet or Garchomp, I think we can ALL say we fear Darkrai, Manaphy, and ESPECIALLY Deoxys-Attack more.

    Seriously, attack Deoxys in OUs is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, but Dugtrio usage would certainly climb. I wish Mamo and friends luck switching in, as they will need it.

    Seriously, Deoxys-Attack can break UBER walls, so by that principle4 we might as well unban Lugia and Giratina. I'm usually resistant to change, and this is Manaphy is REALLY good. REALLY good.

    I mean, at least Wobbuffet and Garchomp are at least somewhat VIABLE arguments...Attack Deoxys? You have got to be kidding me. If you think Garchomp is good...

    I'm sure most ubers could be beaten in OUs, but they would certainly over centralize things. At this point, I say we just keep everything the way it was before - Wobbuffet in ubers, Garchomp in OUs, and everything else in ubers. I'm so sick of this tier nonsense.
  4. Dark Azelf
    May 21st, 2008 7:31 AM
    Dark Azelf
    I saw that topic on Smogon and i was like LOLLOLOLOL when someone said "How does Darkrai beat Blissey 1 on 1 ?"

    *Facepalm* Focus Punch and Dark Void anyone XD

    Did you also see that "Why is Manaphy Uber?" topic. Some people want that in OU aswell. Wow.
  5. Aquilae
    May 21st, 2008 3:28 AM
    Gengar has three immunities and a 4x res to Bug, but the Scarf set is weak anyway. I would run LO Gar with Explosion for Blissey or something.

    I never had a major problem with Chomp and Wobbuffet, and to a lesser extent other powerful sweepers like Mamoswine on some of my teams. The definition of counter is archaic and in my opinion does not have any real importance in the D/P metagame. It would not work for D/P simply because of the increased number of pokemon and the sheer versatility that they have. Is Gyarados a Lucario counter? What if it has HP Electric? This manner of discussing pokemon is not achieving anything, the correct way to counter a pokemon is to simply play around it. So what if Garchomp has no true counter? You could always switch out to a Steel-type on Outrage, sacrifice a pokemon to revenge-kill it, etc.
    A team also needs to have a way of dealing with Garchomp in the first place, be it Ice Beam or Ice Shard, or a Scarfer. The most important thing to avoid is to create a team that has a huge weakness, Dragonite/Sala/Flygon/Chomp/Gliscor/Suicune is still Mamo weak as 5/6ths of it is slaughtered by Mamo.
    What a team needs is not a counter, but a "check".
    I heard the term "check" mentioned first by Maniaclyracist on Smogon, it is basically a pokemon that can revenge-kill the said pokemon, can't switchin on all its attacks BUT can switchin on some.
    If I named a check for Garchomp, it would probably be Jumpluff, an example first quoted by Bologo on Smogon.
    Simply a Jumpluff with Encore/Sleep Powder/U-turn can switchin on Earthquake and Swords Dance, Encore and U-turn. It can't switchin on Outrage which does not make it a true counter.

    Somehow it seems that people are voting to ban every Uber that would be balanced in OU. I saw a Darkrai discussion recently, and it seems that one of the major points is that it is useless with Sleep Clause and an inferior/similar Gengar.
    I won't make a tl;dr paragraph on this, but just to mention Darkrai has 125 Base speed and around the same defenses as Spiritomb and no Pursuit weakness.

    What would happen next? Deoxys-F being argued for unbanning because "Lucario/Mamoswine/Metagross beat it with priority moves"? This seems rather frivolous.

    To quote a post made by Aldaron on the Darkrai topic on Smogon:

    I don't want Darkrai in my OU metagame.

    Just because.

    I don't.
  6. Anti
    May 20th, 2008 6:54 PM
    lol Slack Off Infernape lol

    I have 5 tests in the next two days, so I won't be around until the weekend lol. I have a grammar test and an SAT words test tomorrow, and then a math, Spanish, and Civial War test on Thursday. Joy. I know what finals feel like though =D

    You know, I really with they would have given Skarmory freaking Intimidate, just to laugh at the phys/special split which totally tilted things towards sweepers. It's incredibly irritating how Salamence has more useful physical resistances than any wall except maybe a few steels. It's ridiculous.

    Also, I found the most interesting nickname for I actually think it's a pretty good pokemon.
  7. Dark Azelf
    May 20th, 2008 1:14 PM
    Dark Azelf
    what a rip-off it is that sweepers have better defensive ttyping and often recovery than walls.

    I totally agree, why is the blue hell doe Infernape, need or even get Slack Off ? C'mon Gamefreak, give it Snorlax already.

    ive run a Sub punch weavile, tis fun =)

    And Aquillae i totally agree, Bulky DDMence >> DDBulky Gyara, Roost and speed sways it for me.

    Toxic/Wish/Roost/Dragon Claw mence is pretty sweet aswell.
  8. Anti
    May 20th, 2008 11:28 AM
    Speaking of Wobby and Chomp, I think the current definition of ubers is flawed. I think over centralization should be the most important thing, so that if these supposed ubers really are uber, people will have to go to extreme measures to beat them. That's why I'm for Wobby and Chomp to be in OUs mainly...they don't over centralize anything ._. It's a whole mess.

    And seriously, what a rip-off it is that sweepers have better defensive ttyping and often recovery than walls.

    As for me, I've never been a fan of Toxispikes. They never come in handy, and so often I find only one layer down so the team is infected with the inferior normal poison status, which sucks. Toxic is okay in my book for breaking walls (I'm looking at you, Hippowdon and Moonlight Cresselia).

    Also, Assurance Tar sounds cool...even without SR, Sand Stream damages a lot of stuff. That would make switching bulky grounds in on Tar quite difficult, and especially old Bronzong. And really, Bronzong is only used because people are Mamo weak.

    Just to reiterate what I think about Gengar - it is an overrated piece of poo. It dies to any attack (especially Pursuit) and can't even hit that hard. For specs sets, Mence and Lucario are way better IMO. Scarf Hypnosis is over valued and easy to absorb, and even if they predict your switch, it can't do much and you have a free switch-in for another pokemon. WoW Gar is okay though.
  9. Aquilae
    May 19th, 2008 10:03 PM
    Hehe, you should include Punishment on that set for CroCune or something...

    I would see Assurance working on that set with Stealth Rock in play, for Gyarados as it is 150 BP after STAB and the previous boost. Assurance is kinda its most powerful STAB move, so #_#

    Given the number of sweepers with handy abilities (Intimidate on Salamence/Gyarados), great typing (Heatran, Metagross), above average defenses, the transition from stall to sweeping isn't that hard given that Heatran walls stuff like Porygon-Z and Azelf, Lucario makes a decent switchin to Tyranitar (4x Rock & Dark resist %_%) and other stuff.

    Recently I have been questioning the effectiveness of Toxic Spikes. For one it forces me to use Tenta/Forry, it does not do anything to steel-types or Levitators (Cress and stuff), and it feels like it is generally inferior to Spikes + Stealth Rock, in the sense that Toxic doesn't even do much to a team and that it has the unpleasant effect of giving Guts boosts.

    Actually I would post one of my teams in the S&M board but it either contains Wobby or Chomp, so yeah $_$
  10. Anti
    May 19th, 2008 11:27 AM
    ...And is it just me, or has the S&M board died? NOBODY posts teams anymore =0

    EDIT: Out of curiosity, has anybody ever run a CB Weavile with Focus Punch? I have's awesome (especially since people are idiots and think random steels like Lucario and others weak to fighting counter it. O-H-K-O). It also dents its steel counters like Bronzong and Forretress with a decent amount of damage, especially those forced to use Shed shell because of Magnezone...who also switches in on Weavile a lot for some reason =/ Focus Punch is pretty deadly...unless Gyarados is the opposing Weavile counter lol

    I just like how it has a powerful move since its STAB moves are kinda weak =/
  11. Anti
    May 19th, 2008 11:24 AM
    Mirror Coat Suicune = cya Gengar.

    I have used Wacan Sweeper Gtyarados in the late game...every time it manages to survive that long, it's a win =D

    Also, I noticed people raving about Empoleon's agility/petaya set, but couldn't old Blaziken run that set? It could also in theory run agility + sub + Leichi + Blaze + Fire Punch FTW. Altough bulky waters would wall you so horribly it wouldn't even be funny. Poor's so much cooler than Infernape, but it HAD to be worse =/

    So many things could abuse Mirror Coat though...and I've always wanted to try out NP/HP Ice/Grass Knot/FT Infernape, It any good?

    I've kinda noticed some sweepers have more handy resistances than a lot of standard walls =/ Luckily, the transition to balanced/offense teams has been pretty painless thanks to Salamence and especially Heatran. lol

    And just FYI, I'll be gone all next week on a school field trip (sounds weird, but true lol). I'll be in the nation's capitol (USA that is). I get to have fun in the swamp on the Patomic! Can't wait to see the Lincoln Memorial, since we were pretty darn close to collapsing in epic fashion.
  12. sims796
    May 19th, 2008 5:13 AM
    Seriously, I thought that was how it was supposed to be used.

    I never understood quite why it was used for a lead. I USED to do that, to spam Intimidate, until they started to stop using karmory too try & wall me.

    Oh, & Mirror Coat Swamp almost worked, cept I swapped to Spiritomb on that turn...lucky me.
  13. Aquilae
    May 18th, 2008 7:37 PM
    Lead with Twave/Toxic Gyara. Or SpecsGyara =D

    In all seriousness, DDing up to sweep earlygame is a bad tactic with pretty much every pokemon. 95% of Gyarados users Taunt my Vaporeon only to eat a HP Electric. In my opinion, Gyara can sweep teams and poses a great threat, but SweeperGyara (184 Speed) is probably the only set that would not be outclassed.

    Salamence gets both DD and Roost, getting a great combo with Dragon Claw + Earthquake. I would have to question the viability of Taunt on Gyara in this metagame - most Gyara counters are offensive, taking it down with HP Electric/Thunderbolt, or Grass Knot/Power Whip. Taunt may stop status, but it is so common that every battler knows how to prepare for it, and Taunt allows a free turn.

    I feel DDGyara should be used as a lategame sweeper with the offensive set, Wacan Berry would make it even more scary. IMO BulkyDDMence >> BulkyDDGyara, as Mence actually can wall stuff effectively and pose a threat. Mence also attracts Ice Fang from Gliscor and Hippowdon, and laughs at its face as it can only do ~50% to it, and DD up 6 times and 2HKO (unless you get frozen, since that has happened to me tons of times)

    CBPert could be nice. but base 110 attack leaves much to be desired. I would rather use CroPert (Curse/Waterfall/Rest/STalk) or CursePert.
    I always wanted to see a Careful 252 HP/252 SpD Swampert Mirror Coat back a Grass Knot. It would be priceless @[email protected]
  14. Anti
    May 18th, 2008 4:30 PM
    And you know what really bothers me? People leading with DD Gyarados and trying to sweep right away. It's the most idiotic thing I've ever seen in my life. I guess leading just to Intimidate stuff and to get out of there is okay, but really people trying to sweep in the early game when the counter is at full health anyways...just makes no sense. Same goes with DDmence. Another example of knowing standard sets and not knowing how to use them IMO.

    Sorry, but I've wanted to get that off my chest for awhile. My mega-offensive team is pretty Gyara weak, so I lead with SpecsMence to OHKO Gyarados who are idiot enough to try and sweep so I won't have to worry about it later. But seriously...why do people think leading with DDers to try and sweep early game is a good idea?

    EDIT: Just to clarify, I don't have a problem with gyara leads themselves, just the ones that think they can DD and sweep right away.
  15. Anti
    May 18th, 2008 4:10 PM
    I'm currently very mad that my mp3 player company doesn't have Jimi Hendrix's cover of "All Along the Watchtower." I'm sorry, but Bob Dylan's version drives me off the wall with that shrieky harmonica


    ...The tiers are a royal mess. At this point, I don't know what to think about Chomp/Wobby and I'm just going to withdraw from the discussion. Somebody should just define freaking uber already =/

    Also, anybody here used a CB Swampert before?

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Posted July 20th, 2012 at 11:18 AM by Anti Comments 7
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Yeah, this is it for me. Five years ago today, I joined PC. Now my time here is coming to a close a half a decade later.

I won't go too in-depth here besides to say that my battling skills (and interest, to some degree) have eroded to the point where they couldn't be salvaged without time and effort that I can no longer muster. Furthermore, it just hasn't been all that fun for several years now for a ton of different reasons I do not wish wish to list, and having fun is the point...

Posted September 28th, 2009 at 5:36 PM by Anti Comments 2
This blog won't be very long. I obviously haven't posted many of these. Yeah, school can be a pain when you have a lot of homework and not a lot of energy.

Anyway, I originally thought that the second iteration of Stage 3 (to use Smogon's wording) would just be Manaphy and the already-OU Latias...and that's how it was going to be. But now Garchomp is being added into the test according to Jumpman, I would assume due to the close 44-41 vote in favor of it being Uber.


Posted September 12th, 2009 at 2:44 PM by Anti Comments 5
I figured I'd have some fun and predict the Stage 3 voting results. You can post some too if you'd like. I'll probably be wrong on about all of these, but I thought I'd have some fun so why not?

Shaymin-S - Uber

I think this will be voted Uber, actually. I think people are afraid of hax and afraid of Skymin's power and Speed. I actually don't blame them--it's a pretty effective Pokemon. I just wish...

Posted September 7th, 2009 at 1:17 PM by Anti Comments 8
They have finally been released, and you can find them here. I'm glad they're out, especially since I contributed to them this time around :3

The biggest "shocker" to me was Blissey at number 14 (if you include the Rotom formes, which I will do for this whole entry). How the mighty have fallen. Blissey is probably the best defensive Pokémon in the game, and it's not even close to the top ten. As a user of Blissey, my guess is that Blissey being vulnerable to Trick as well...

Posted September 6th, 2009 at 8:03 AM by Anti Comments 16
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I know, long time, no see, right? People often complain about how S&M is dead, and while there isn't much we can do about that (after all, we cannot control who decides to frequent in the section), I figured that I might as well start using this again to maybe, possibly start some discussion. Honestly, I am still a bit puzzled by the failure of the Metagame Discussion Thread, and the best conclusion I can come to is that it failed because it was too bland or boring in some way. Hopefully I can...
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