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  1. Hikamaru
    1 Day Ago 3:30 AM
    Hikamaru
    I was shocked that M20 is doing better in the box office than I first thought, because like you said it was a risky move removing the original characters (instead reducing them to an end credits cameo) and replacing them with someone completely different, on top of focusing on Pokemon that were not even from Kanto.

    I clearly wanted the film to flop because it could have served as a wake-up call to the writers that ignoring continuity is only going to alienate the fans.
  2. Hikamaru
    1 Day Ago 2:30 AM
    Hikamaru
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by weedle_mchairybug View Post
    Yeah, I'm definitely doubtful they are going to have an Alolan League for this saga. They would have mentioned the league by now if they were going to do it. Not to mention thanks to them having Ash retake school (as if he ever NEEDED to go to school in the first place) instead of, I don't know, having him oversee the development of the Alola league like in the games, they didn't even have him focus on his goal. Say what you will about Best Wishes, and it definitely was a horrible show (probably the only redeeming elements are Iris and the return of Charizard), but at least it actually attempted to focus on Ash's goal, something that SM clearly is going out of its way to ignore.
    Taking it here since I hate going off-topic and causing triggered mods.

    But yes, there is a reason why Sun & Moon overtook Best Wishes for my least favourite series. While it had awful stuff like Ash being reset, Trip being an OP rival at first that Ash couldn't conquer until the league, and the worst companions to date, it did have one positive over SM which was as you said, have Ash actually focusing on his goal.

    SM has Ash showing no dedication whatsoever, only being an extremely hypo kid who overexcites at everything about Alola and focusing more on that dumb school than the actual trials. It's very clear Alola will have no league, and I can imagine all the complaints because let's admit it, when it comes to league handling in the anime no-one will like it.
  3. Hikamaru
    1 Week Ago 6:12 PM
    Hikamaru
    I'm guessing Rowlet or Litten will become the ace. Although I'd rather it be Decidueye than Incineroar because Ash has already had two Fire-type regional aces.
  4. Hikamaru
    1 Week Ago 2:51 AM
    Hikamaru
    Bad news. It appears Ash's new Dusk Form Lycanroc is the new Ash-Greninja since it's a special form that is unobtainable via normal gameplay and only being available by an event, in this case the US/UM launch event Rockruff.
  5. Hikamaru
    1 Week Ago 8:05 AM
    Hikamaru
    You know, as much as we hate Ash's personality in SM we do both agree that he likely won't lose a league in Alola because Alola has no real league. The question is, will the writers have learned from the Kalos League controversy that flared up even the Japanese fans when it comes to the writing for 8th Gen?
  6. Hikamaru
    4 Weeks Ago 8:01 AM
    Hikamaru
    Ash is nothing but ruined and not motivated anymore unless if he eats ice cream. That stuff is now like a drug to him.

    In fact, that city in the preview doesn't even look like it belongs in Alola.
  7. weedle_mchairybug
    4 Weeks Ago 7:44 AM
    weedle_mchairybug
    Remember how I indicated that the movie may not have a teaser from what I gathered of the review from Pokebeach? Well, apparently it actually have a teaser. Sort of. It doesn't have any animation even pointing to what the plot of the film will be (in fact, it doesn't even have ANY animation at all), just a sign saying there will be a new movie Summer 2018. Quite frankly, I'm thinking they really shouldn't have bothered with that, especially after they wasted Marshadow by having it debut in this film (and make it grossly OOC from even its manga tie-in, let alone what was described of it in its Pokedex entry), and also not even bothering to animate the dang teaser anyways. When you don't even bother to animate a teaser, there's little point to even making the film since they clearly aren't looking forward to it. Besides, aside from wasting Marshadow, there are other factors to come into play as well. Namely, there's the fact that they haven't either announced an eighth generation (not to mention they stopped doing teasers for new generations early into a generation after Destiny Deoxys and Lucario and the Mystery of Mew. IF they bother teasing it, they generally wait until the final movie of a generation at LEAST), nor has Ash even progressed very far into his Alola journey, either, and there's little indication that he's even going to go much further this time next year either. Especially not with the way SM is going by killing off any chance at Ash continuing with his goal and how they ruined him.
  8. Hikamaru
    July 13th, 2017 5:19 AM
    Hikamaru
    Also, let's agree that SM's comedy is hurting more than helping. I wonder if anyone's even did a tally on all those horrid facial expressions because they seem to always show up every second. Ash's uvula having a face in the episode where he battled Hala was definitely one of the worst, and probably the one where Ash also had a Psyduck face.
  9. Hikamaru
    July 13th, 2017 5:15 AM
    Hikamaru
    And Yo-Kai Watch further hammered those nails. That series not only killed XY's ratings and movies' hopes, but also caused the whole Pokemon anime to shake up so much that the older fanbase is abandoning it. It's fair to say it did live up to that nickname of the "Pokemon Killer" after all.
  10. Hikamaru
    July 13th, 2017 4:24 AM
    Hikamaru
    I think the fact we haven't even had a preview for the next movie released may be further adding to my speculation that M20 may be the last Pokemon movie, even if it doesn't hit that dreaded third strike.
  11. Hikamaru
    July 13th, 2017 2:52 AM
    Hikamaru
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    Probably wouldn't surprise me. I heard a lot of people prefer Serena's manga self over her anime self, for example (don't know about her game self). And yeah, removing what was a valid backstory to use for her is not cool, and probably is a pretty big contribution to the failing ratings. Isn't the only time they've arguably ruined characters, though: They actually made Mimikyu out to be downright genocidal against Pikachu, even though that was NEVER implied in the games (quite the opposite, actually, it poses as Pikachu specifically because it simply wants the kind of love Pikachu gets). Least, that's what I heard.
    I know Serena's anime counterpart is popular, likely because she's not as bland as her game counterpart. AmourShipping was without a doubt the most popular following for the XY series, and hence why it attracts a lot of fanart. But let's face it, as Lillie and Mimikyu have shown, if you botch up a well-loved character in the anime, they will become unpopular. Heck, M20 is even portraying Marshadow as a villain which heavily contradicts its description. I guess the only reason it was done was because of its shadow-based powers.

    I don't hate Lillie in the anime, in fact she's only thing I can even stomach in the Sun & Moon anime, but rewriting her entire backstory like that has made her into nothing but a tragic heroine. Lillie was a very popular character in the Sun & Moon games, and the fact she's now split into a completely different character in the anime has hurt her popularity. Even Gladion has been portrayed badly as well. Trial Captains were also botched up, with Ilima's absence basically confirming that Trial Captains don't exist in the anime. Heck, even Ash didn't complete the second trial, but Lana did instead. All because it was focused on her type which was Water.

    I also love Mimikyu. I don't want to be forced to hate it.

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    Maybe on paper it was meant to reflect Yo-Kai Watch, but in practice, it comes across as looking more like The Emperor's New School from the Disney Channel (you know, that animated TV series where Emperor Kuzco, in order to retain his position as Emperor, basically needed to go to the school he founded as a student and pass it, and Yzma, who obviously still has a grudge against him for his firing her in the prior film, tries to find any way to have Kuzco fail at school). But yeah, that most likely backfired on the writers, given the low ratings (it may be slightly higher than XY's ratings, but not by much). Besides, ignoring that Ash has been travelling through six, maybe eight regions [counting the Orange and DeColore Islands] for 20 years, not to mention competing in the Kanto, Orange, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh, Unova, and Kalos leagues plus the Battle Frontier during that time and thus shouldn't even NEED to go back to school by this point, wasn't it already established way back in Kanto that Ash doesn't even NEED school in the first place when he had his Pikachu beat that top student Giselle's Cubone? So why after all this time does he suddenly need to just go back to school to such an extent that CoroCoro indicated that his new goal is to "graduate like never before?"
    Face it, I knew school-based plots in Pokemon would fail. It works if it's only for a small arc of episodes (just look at the summer academy arcs from DP and XY) but for the entire saga? Nope, it's not going to be executed well. The fact that Ash is even going to school doesn't make sense, since he learns from his adventures, and it makes me feel this school thing was written in as an excuse because of Alola lacking Gyms and also as an excuse to turn Ash into a retard again, hence reminding me horribly of BW.

    However, BW handled Ash's persona much better because at least he wasn't being super-overexcited at everything. Sure, he battled like a noob and made dumb mistakes like relying solely on Palpitoad against Elesa, but at least he wasn't hypo all the time. SM does keep his battling experience, but the lack of battles means we are exposed to his goofball nature even more, and that's why I feel his personality is at the worst it's ever been.

    Ash doesn't even care about his Alola classmates, unlike the previous groups which had that family-like bond, demonstrated the most with the XY companions (heck, the YouTuber named PokemonRangerBoy12 brings it up here). Ash now only does stuff with the Alola group if Mallow inspires him. In fact, Ash won't even be motivated to train anymore unless if he's given ice-cream, like he's got a horrifying addiction to that stuff.

    Unfortunately I don't understand The Emperor's New School since I never watched it, but from what you bring up about that show, it definitely looks like a terrible show. It doesn't help that SM relies way too much on forced comedy and cringy, over-the-top facial expressions, which is pretty much what also plagues shows like Teen Titans Go! and the 2016 remakes of Ben 10 and The Powerpuff Girls. These are all reboots of once-loved cartoons that are now fuelled on jokes, solely to please kids with short attention spans. I do not like that format at all, because I know what bad comedy is. If a joke is bad, I will not laugh at it.

    It's like the Japanese audience cares way too much about laughs to the point that future Pokemon anime sagas will become even less serious. I want cartoons to have great plots and characters, not a cringefest of jokes that I will find extremely unfunny.
  12. Hikamaru
    July 13th, 2017 2:34 AM
    Hikamaru
    Figured I should take the discussion to here so that Kostas doesn't get rage-fested into shutting down another thread considering what happened with that alternate universe discussion getting shut down due to arguments and disrespect of opinions.

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    Based on Japanese critics apparently thinking that Movie 20 is merely a "cash grab" flick (not to mention how Japanese fans managed to take to Twitter to vocally express outrage over replacing Misty and Brock. I only know of one other time the Japanese proceeded to swarm Twitter and express outrage over something the writers did, and that was with the aftermath of the infamous Ash and Alain battle during the Kalos League, so I definitely know that what the writers did there was a terrible decision if even the Japanese base was outraged over it. And I suspect that after some recent revelations of what the original M20 was going to be about [I'll give you a hint, it has an all-star cast], I suspect the outrage is going to be even worse than before.), I wouldn't be surprised if it manages to outright bomb in the box office (in fact, I suspect it will be a far bigger bomb than the Hoopa movie OR the Volcanion movie). And yeah, they might as well give up on the movies at this point, if not the anime, especially if it essentially makes the third strike regarding box office bombs. In fact, at this point, they may not even have a choice now but to quit. Even if it DOESN'T turn out to be a box office bomb, they don't really have much of a choice but to do so considering they decided to just distribute Marshadow, the only Gen VII Mythical Pokémon that's NOT named Magearna, with this film and make him a central character, when Ash-Hat Pikachu sufficed enough as a distribution Pokémon for the movie, which essentially means they don't have any material to work with for another Pokémon movie.
    I guess the people in the English-speaking countries aren't the only ones furious at the decisions made with M20. As soon as Makoto and Souji were introduced, I had bad feelings forecast and that was correctly predicted. We knew that basically the whole world ranted at the poor decision that was making Alain win the Kalos League, especially when the announcement of the Sun & Moon saga came out and now that we notice that XY's transition to SM is way more jarring than the transition from DP to BW. The Kalos League all but confirmed Alain as an invincible Gary Stu and thus he's now up there with my most hated characters in the anime. He had potential but blew it, all because he had to be portrayed as a god.

    The fact that M20 turned out with the plot it has now was done solely due to pressure from TPCi to make it into a movie tailored specifically for the youngest demographic, on top of Makoto and Souji basically existing as promotion for Piplup and Lucario merchandise shows that while the writers intended for something else, TPCi unfortunately blocked that idea. I know the latest generation of the target demographic was born around probably when the BW series started, which in turn was 8 years after OS ended so you can see why the writers were essentially forced to create that retelling of Ash and Pikachu's beginning. It was made solely to show that generation of kids how they met.

    Also, XY was definitely the worst era in terms of episode ratings and movies, though that was partially blamed on Yo-Kai Watch's emergence early in XY's run, on top of the first two Yo-Kai movies outperforming, the second film made more money in Japanese cinemas than Star Wars: The Force Awakens, which was the biggest film of 2015.

    With both the failures of Hoopa And The Clash Of Ages and Volcanion And The Mechanical Marvel, it's fair to say Pokemon - I Choose You!'s performance will determine if the third strike has fallen. If that predicted bomb happens, it's fair to say that Pokemon should quit movies altogether because they have become way too merchandise-driven, and that means rushed and terribly-handled plots.
  13. DBZ fan
    April 11th, 2017 11:01 PM
    DBZ fan
    Hi there. i accepted your friend request.

    Deviant art? No, I haven't signed in there. To be honest i very rarely go there, but what i noticed when going is that this is one of more lighter place for Misty fans. On other hand serebii forums anime section is packed with Misty haters. To my shock big majority was overjoyed when it was revealed how for 20th anniversary Misty and Brock were replaced with 2 random new characters. Way to disrespect 20 years of history and older loved by many characters.
  14. Little hero
    September 22nd, 2016 2:55 AM
    Little hero
    OK I will do.
  15. Little hero
    September 8th, 2016 4:38 AM
    Little hero
    The Magearna movie is now the lowest-grossing film in the franchise.
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