Pokémon Odyssey: TCA

Oh man, this is big.

Well, congratulations for getting out of that pickle with sprite theft; seemed like you were going to quit. This probably the first TCG fan game, and it looks amazing, esepcially the grass energy sprite. Kudos to your originality.

I was expecting this to be a minigame, like in the Game Corner or something. I don't want to be rude, but I am not really looking forward to this, I can't see myself playing a card game for an extended period of time. But still I wish you luck, I know you'll make a great game, because I know how talented you are.

In this response I won't really comment on the rest of the info other then the card system.

So after about 2 weeks of teasing me on msn, it's finally here on the boards. I told you not to tell me any info on msn, or show me screenshots and I'm glad you didn't.
It was nice to see a game that is trying something different.
I've given advice on msn, but I'll voice it hear and see if anyone has the same concerns.
My first one which I just said to you like 5 minutes ago would be, show the stats of the active player card in one straight line going across the bottom of the screen for the player, and one straight line across the top for the enemy active card. Just make things easier then using the mouse to hover over. Stats and effects are vital to a card game so it makes sense to display vital info on screen at any time for the player to see, rather then a sub menu screen.

It's nice to see the game use the mouse for something real rather then just tacked on. I think making mouse controls works really well for this system. It makes clicking cards a breeze rather then using arrow keys.

As for general features listed, online play will be a huge bonus for this game. Keep it to card battling only with a small sub area rather then some wild MMO goal. Sending data between players will be so quick with this simple style.

I'm not a fan of the "• All 493 Pokémon available in card form, with multiple versions of some."- bit too noob-y and ambitious. I don't anyone would blame you if there was only around 200/250 cards total in the game. That is still a lot.

Another suggestion would be, remember who your audience is for this fan game, and try keep things simple from mechanics to deck sizes. I don't know if you mentioned deck size, but 40 would be a nice number to micro manage, but again, try appeal to younger members and stick with a number that you think the fans would like- not just you are riceeman.

I have to say this with most threads these days- but Good luck :P

Edit:
I just read Yuoaman's post and that is a perfect example of listen to your audience. Remember people won't want to invest too much time into ANY fan game here- not just a card game. So keep your numbers and goals small to fit this.
And to repeat what was said above by another member..... Please don't "quite" on us :P:P

Yeah, no offense or anything, this will probably be a really good game, I just don't like TCG so much anymore...

Well then this is interesting. And I am with Yuoman here. I cannot see this going far. Sure a card game sounds cool and all but for the whol duration of a region? I dunno I wish you luck have fun with this but honestly I just gave up on your games. At least your crazy ideas to take sphere further has given me inspiration to make games.

Thanks to everyone who has posted so far.

It's nice to see people challenging to choice, gives me more to comment on.

@Yuoaman and people: When you think about TCG, you must automatically think boring, yes? Well me and Riceeman are going to be adding loads of fun elements into the game to take away from this. There'll be lots to do, just because there's no real Pokémon here doesn't mean things wont be as fun.

Stop and think about the two side by side, is there and real difference between raising your Pokémon's level or improving your deck? Not really they're still both a means of making your battlers better.

It's a shame to see a few of you deciding to stop viewing the game because of the update, however take time to think about it, because the ideas aren't to dissimilar to that of a normal Pokémon game.

I guess only time will show that this can be done and done well. I look forward to disproving you lol.

Waudby, rather then try act elite over everyone and challenge them on what they said, my advice would be to ask people for suggestions. Ask them what can you improve on, what would they like to see and so on. It's such a shame to already what to disappoint the viewers of this section. You've already handled yourself wrong 6 posts in.

I guessed that... you told me I was wrong <_<
Lol, it's looking great, I never like the tcg but I'll give it a shot.
The story is just like a basic pokemon story but with cards,I understand how hard it would be to make a game revolving around cards, but having a tidal deck, the flare deck and the growth deck makes it seem like a substitution for the pokemon starters, along with the added rival..
The reason you started was to bring more originality to the board, but the only original thing about this game is the use of cards.
But none the less, I still look forward to this game!

Neo-Dragon said:

Waudby, rather then try act elite over everyone and challenge them on what they said, my advice would be to ask people for suggestions. Ask them what can you improve on, what would they like to see and so on. It's such a shame to already what to disappoint the viewers of this section. You've already handled yourself wrong 6 posts in.

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I didn't mean it in a challenging way, I just want to prove to people it can be done successfully, it wasn't confrontional intentionally.

.Phones said:

I guessed that... you told me I was wrong <_<
Lol, it's looking great, I never like the tcg but I'll give it a shot.
The story is just like a basic pokemon story but with cards :/
But I understand how hard it would be to make a game revolving around cards.
But the tidal deck, the flare deck and the growth deck -_-'
It just seems like a substitution for the pokemon starters.
And you added a rival, why have a rival?
The reason you started was to bring more originality to the board, but the only original thing about this game is the use of cards.
But none the less, I still look forward to this game!

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Ah the "friend", isn't a rival, it's just someone you've grown up with. The idea of the starter decks has to be there, it's fitting with the TCG base decks. Otherwise it would be hard to make balanced decks right from the start.

It's just a matter of bringing balance at the beginning and it's easy to change via the use of Booster Packs.

We are trying to stay quite true to the ideas behind TCG, that's why something's are the way they are.

And about the story, that is just the basic storyline that was required to allow the thread to be made, without detailing every possible storyline here it was the easiest way. Along the course of the game you will have multiple storylines running side by side.

Is the gameplay exactly the same as the real-world TCG? Or have you changed some of the rules?

Wichu said:

Is the gameplay exactly the same as the real-world TCG? Or have you changed some of the rules?

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We're gonna try and stay as close to the official rules as possible and when we add our own Support Cards etc, we will obviously have to add some new rules into the game, same with different versions of the Pokémon Cards.

Are there going to be gym leaders with decks that revolve around a certain type? ex. Water type gym leader has a water deck.

Sorry, off-topic, but whoever repp'd me please post in my profile so I know who you are XP

Whoa.
I'd rather not write anything else, but the 25 chars rule doesn't allow me so.

I'm gonna love this!
You just make sure you release a beta or smth. Well, good luck!

Still, and I'm not doing this as a personal attack or anything, I don't think I will be playing the game. I really hated the TCG, even the ones in real life. I think the reason they did it was because Nintendo originally was a card game company (But this is WAAY back).

I've never liked trading card game. I still have some cards but I never had a real match with them. I kept them to see if I can get money of ebay for them (they're the original ones).

Ah well, I suppose you can't please everyone...

You start of as just a teenager living in a small town. You and a friend have finally saved up enough money to go and purchase you basic starter deck.
You are given the choice of the Growth Spurt Deck ,the grass starter deck, the Heat Flare Deck, the fire starter deck and the Tidal Rush Deck, the water starter deck.

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Wow when I read this, I actually got goosebumps! Is that sad? I'm a really big fan of the pokemon tcg - but I dont battle anymore I only collect them for the art. I remember playing the first two gameboy TCG's which seemed amazing at the time, and this whole project brings me that same nostalgic feeling that I loved and made them special.

Massive Kudos to you, and honestly, I dont think you are acting elite at all, I think you are right. People probably never even played the gameboy tcg's so they have no idea how this would work out, and it works out way more fun than people realize. They need to have a little faith. The only suggestion I would make is having proper card art for the pokemon if possible, the mystery dungeon mugshots probably wouldnt be enough for a tcg collector like me who does it for the art - that's probably asking too much though.

All in all, pretty excited! Will you be keeping gyms from the gameboy tcg? I think you should definately play them if you haven't already to get some ideas.

Yes, there will be Gym Leaders, though not in the usual sense. They are just renowned collectors and battlers and winning against them gets you more TCP then usual. They each have a main type, but most will have a few cards of another type mixed in.

Glad you like it Kyledove ^_^ I love collecting the TCG too, and that's why I said I'd help so much ^_^ Come on guys, can't you just have a little faith in us?

And that might be a possibility Kyledove, but it would involve exstensive spriting...I don't suppose you're volunteering? :P

I actually have both of them sitting in my desk draw. My god were they tedious. Sure a bit fun bu tedious to make a perfect deck. I am sorry you are a great game designer and kudos to you for being super bad and being one step ahead of insanity I respect you as a game maker but nope I cannot bring myself to play something like this.

Why would you not play a game because of the battle system? I dont enjoy battling on the real pokemon games, but it would never stop me from playing it. Theres a lot more to a game than just the battle system.

I actually might be interested in doing some spriting for this, ehhhhhhhhhh I dunnoooo I cant make my mind up.

Kyledove said:

Wow when I read this, I actually got goosebumps! Is that sad? I'm a really big fan of the pokemon tcg - but I dont battle anymore I only collect them for the art. I remember playing the first two gameboy TCG's which seemed amazing at the time, and this whole project brings me that same nostalgic feeling that I loved and made them special.

Massive Kudos to you, and honestly, I dont think you are acting elite at all, I think you are right. People probably never even played the gameboy tcg's so they have no idea how this would work out, and it works out way more fun than people realize. They need to have a little faith. The only suggestion I would make is having proper card art for the pokemon if possible, the mystery dungeon mugshots probably wouldnt be enough for a tcg collector like me who does it for the art - that's probably asking too much though.

All in all, pretty excited! Will you be keeping gyms from the gameboy tcg? I think you should definately play them if you haven't already to get some ideas.

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Thanks for the comments Kyle, once again I'm glad that things are sorted between us.

I have played the first TCG, was the second ever translated or not? I can't remember seeing it anywhere.

I'm going to try and do some work on the art work for the cards, it is a massive tasks but I will be worth it.

Just like the real life cards having different artists, if you ever fancy designing a card's artwork we will be willing to use it :D