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My Opinion on GTS cloning.
This is not meant to flame anyone who does this. I just wanted to state my opinion on it.
1. First and foremost, think of other GTS users. Frankly, I'm rather upset when I finally find a Slowpoke with King's Rock but someone wants "Infernape lvl. 9 and under" for it. There is no such thing as an Infernape level 9 and under! 2. As far as I care, there is no difference between GTS cloning and AR cloning. Call it what you will, you're cheating. It's the Global Trade Station, not the Global Cloning Station. 3. As with the first one, it makes it hard to find a real trade in the GTS. Do you know how many times I've seen people requesting Mew level 9 and under?! 50% or more of most trades are asking for that. *coughclonerscough* 4. What plausible reason do you have? Did you want another EV trained Lucario? Did your friend want you to clone him/her a shiny? Honestly, I don't quite get it. 5. Cloning items? For shame. We've all felt the pain of Shiny Beldum killing itself with Take Down, but that's no reason to cheat yourself another Master Ball. 6. No, I am not going to clone my Manaphy so I can offer it for practically anything I want. I am not that low. Well, that's pretty much all I have to say about that. If this belongs somewhere else, I don't care if it's moved. Well, I'm off to hunt down the hundreds of people who ask for Mew lvl 9 and under. And/or trade Silcoon for Palkia lvl 100. |
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2.GTS Pokes are most likely illegit anyways. 3.Personally I don't like GTS anyways cuz you can only search for pokemon that are seen in your pokedex... 4.Yes to both 5. That's a good reason actually. And most people clone power items anyways. 6.Would anyone even care if you offer a Manaphy..? GTS Cloning is just using a glitch for his/her personal benefits. BUT. GTS can't clone Movie Darkrais because of their ribbons ^_^ |
What is this PokeSAV of which you speak? My little brother said it was a computer program that lets one make Action Replay codes. And that it didn't work on his computer. ;)
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Houndoom, I Completely agree with you 100%. If your going to clone a Pokemon, its probably because you dont want to give up the original 1 and you want more and more rare/hacked/legendairy/shiny Pokemon to add to your collection. Pokedex completion is so easy today, because the special people who get those japanese hacked shaymin and go get those Darkrai at special places decide to clone their pokemon for everything they can get from it. Today, Pokemon has become a sad place for greedy people/trainers who want and care only for themselves. This does not apply to everyone might I add, but most everyone.
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Yep, PokeSAV makes a .sav for Diamond and Pearl roms, including adding/editing Pokemon in your party. I personally think someone should use PokeSAV to make level 9 Mews and trade them for GTS Pokemon, then put the GTS Pokemon back up, with mail attached, saying the closest thing to "Stop this crap" that D/P can produce in mail.
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Well then, Hammerhead... I would call PokeSAV cheating too. So there's still no such thing as Infernape level 9 and under.
My trades are always fair. It's amazing what one can trade a level 1 Bagon for. And I've got a box full of those. And I only ask for other unevolved Pokemon for these magical Bagons. And seriously. Cloning is cheating. It is exploit of a glitch in the game's programming. If Game Freak wanted people to clone, there would be some sort of magical cloning machine that cloned whatever you wanted. At the cost of 1 Magikarp. The level 9 Mew is a plague on our society and must be stopped. XD |
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Well, I am a cloner, and I usually feel pretty guilty about it when I do it. It has put much less of a sense of worth on the rare Pokemon that there are. However, I think that it is a good way to share the wealth. What if someone really wants a shiny something-or-other, but it's your favortite one? Then, you can do the nice thing for them and make them a copy, so that everyone benefits. As guilty as it makes me feel to lower the value of valuable things, it always makes me feel good to make someone a little happier by giving them a Pokemon that they really want.
But I completely and totally agree on the point of AR cloning, I honestly consider it all the same. Cloning is cloning no matter how you do it. |
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Ten katrillion people are viewing this thread xD
I've only cloned once and I decided to stop after that. First of all the risk of losing your cloned Pokemon sucks, if you do lose it you just screw yourself over. Then there's a whole bunch of people asking for Mew level 9 and under. I'm actually trying to search for Pokemon I need for my Pokedex. Nintendo should've made a cloning spot instead of the GTS because when I want a Salamence, I don't expect to find one asking for something I have. I expect to find one asking for a Mew level 9 and under, or an Arceus or something. I want to be able to get my Pokedex done without having to go back and check every little while to see if someone actually has a Pokemon up on the GTS for a reasonable request. I need a Slowpoke since I have Diamond and it's a Pearl only exclusive, lots of Slowpokes I see are asking for outrageous crap. Such crap is a level 100 Dialga, level 100 Latias, etc. When I put Pokemon up for trade it's very reasonable, infact most of the time the other person is getting the better end of the deal. Like my offer I just recently made: My level 16 Chansey for a Shieldon of any gender and any level. Again, Shieldon is Pearl only, so I need it for my Pokedex. The only way I can really get Pokemon I want is by putting them up myself instead of searching for them, because when I search for them everyone has an outrageous offer. I'd like Nintendo to put an end to this somehow. |
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Not to be a bother, but you sound like you truley do not understand the real quality and worth of a rare Pokemon. I will never cheat and trade or battle somone with that cheated Pokemon over Wi-Fi. |
Uh, hammerhead? I made a big deal about all those glitches too XD.
And the only time I cloned was indirectly. My friend traded me 2 identical Jirachis because my brother wanted one. |
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EDIT:Houndoom, you may of but not many others. |
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Hey, I just wanted to state my opinion. If I simultaneously form a heated debate... then hey, we get a bunch of opinions. I guess that's what forums are for! :)
EDIT: If you had known me, you would know that Jirachi had driven me insane. Enough said. |
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*Wonders if his long and hard written post is gonna keep being ignored >_>*
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I didnt ignore your post XD. Yeah Nintendo needs to put a stop to it. |
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NOTE: DO NOT TEKE LITERALLY! just a figure of speech. |
I dont want to clone rare pokemon, I WANNA CLONE RARE CANDIES SO I DONT HAVE TO GRIND MY WAY TO LVL 100 IN P/D!!
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Lol, you cant do it yourself? Thats the whole point of the game, to collect, and raise and care for your pokemon. Not glitch up your game with tons of rare candys and watch your pokemon be cheated to their max abilities. Just go get a different game if you want to do that lol... |
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Oh yeah. And this was on Emerald. My main problem with the GTS cloning is that it makes it a tremendous pain to find any Pokemon that you want that aren't actually cloning attempts. And Lemonade, I read your post. I just couldn't think of a good reply. But I agree with you completely. |
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Ok, I agree with the fact that cloning is certainly clogging the GTS, and it really shouldn't be. But that's just something that you need to work around, like a giant Snorlax laying in the middle of the road. It is possible to find decent deals on GTS, trust me, I do it all the time. You just need to learn to narrow your search and use the offering system to your advantage.
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But some people have sentimental value attached to their Pokes. And if they recieved a once in a life time deal for their Pokemon, they'd want to accept the deal but not lose their Pokemon. But with the GTS they can clone and keep the original one. So you're not really doing much.
And if Nintendo leaves in stupid glitches, we might as well abuse them. It's like a shortcut to the finish line. :[ |
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I am playing the game for competitivness I already played it for fun and RPG.. Now that I am done I am playing for Battle... and after I EV train, I wanna use rare candies to get him up too a 100, of course this is cheating if I glitched the rare candies but it sure would save me an assload of time.. But maybe I wouldn't want to do it if nintendo had more guys to battle then just the elite 4, being that there have the highest level pokemon in the game they obviously are going to give the most EXP to your pokemon.. |
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I am now officially pissed! I got my secret friend to make a single level 5 Mew, I searched for Feebas, either, level 9 and under. Found one that wanted Mew, went to trade. Turns out, you cannot give Mew 9 and under, the reason it pisses me off? Because if you can't give it, you shouldn't be able to ask for it either!
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Actually, yeah. The data was the only reason I made the trade. I've never once used that Jirachi in battle. And again, my brother blackmailed me to trade for a second Jirachi for him. The Jirachi itself was actually a legit Bonus Disc Jirachi. And I didn't clone it. And I traded a level 100 Blaziken for it. And my brother gave me a level 100 Mewtwo to trade for him. And the only reason I didn't release it is because I collect legendaries. But this is tremendously off topic.
Oh yeah, and I've got 3 EV trained level 100s and 2 in the 60s. Without cheating. And the GTS isn't clogged like a Snorlax in the road. It's clogged like a Wailord in the road. |
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I dont condone GTS cloning. It's annoying. But I have nothing against cloning either. It's not cheating. It's not 'wrong' it's just a 'unofficial' feature IMO.
It's perfectly possible to find a good deal on the GTS. Just look. Dont be lazy. |
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I've seen the Bidoof thing too. Obviously someone with no common sense. Right. I let the cheating go. *sarcastic* And the blackmail had nothing to do with it. */sarcastic* My brother is... strange. |
I like using the GTS glitch to evolve pokemon..I'm not actually going to ask a random person to a trade with me o.0
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Aww. Did I miss a good debate? XD I'll add my share of words to this now~
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But who am I to say the other members of PC shouldn't? XD I just can't get myself to actually do such things. Maybe it is my old MMORPG manner showing. I mean, in those kinds of games, glitch-exploiting is reason to get the ban-hammer brought down on you for good. x_x Of course, I'm not much of a Pokémon collector anyway. I prefer to train Pokémon, and only collect legendaries, shinies, and events that actually interest me. But that doesn't stop me from believing in a more ideal "Pokémon economy", where a rare actually is rare. |
Well, I only clone stuff that I really like.
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Each clone you make and send off just means that the one you have is less special, less unique. Your attachment will end up being the only thing keeping it any different from the clones other people happen to own now. And I (personally anyway) can't feel proud about having something when I know someone else has the same exact thing. Nowadays, I can only take solace in the fact that the Pokémon I train, and the legendaries/shinies I catch, have never been cloned or traded away, and I only trade away things I don't like, or (legit) things I get off the GTS. XD Again, this is my opinion, and you can do as you wish. This is probably all just another trait I get from playing MMORPGs. Rare items = prestige in such games. And when you consider how hard some people actually go to get these rares, cloning (item-duping in MMOs) not only devalues the rare, but the work it took to get it. |
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