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Gabri August 17th, 2007 1:11 AM

My Team on Ruby
 
Ok, since that... problem, I'll post my team here so everyone can rate it. It is on Ruby.

Pokémon: Glalie
Nickname: ICEBERG
Level: 47
Nature: Modest
Attacks: Ice Beam
Heabutt
Icy Wind
Crunch

Pokémon: Aggron
Nickname: METALLICA
Level: 45
Nature: Rash
Attacks: Iron Tail
Take Down
Rock Smash
Thunder

Pokémon: Gardevoir
Nickname: PSYCH
Item: Magnet
Level: 45
Nature: Impish
Attacks: Thunderbolt
Psychic
Future Sight
Flash

Pokémon: Medicham
Nickname: CHAMP
Level: 46
Nature: Careful
Attacks: Hi Jump Kick
Confusion
Strength
Focus Punch

Pokémon: Flygon
Nickname: MYSTICISM
Item: Soft Sand
Level: 47
Nature: Bold
Attacks: Earthquake
Crunch
Fly
Facade

Pokémon: Swampert
Nickname: TSUNAMI
Item: Mystic Water
Level: 48
Nature: Gentle
Attacks: Surf
Dive
Mud Shot
Muddy Water

All of them has PokéRus.

Do you think it will be enough to beat the E4? (Of course that I'll have to buy, say, 30 Revives and Full Restores, no?)

Another Thing: I don't give more than TWO TM's/HM's to a Pokémon (gave to Flygon 'cause he'll not learn any good attacks, I think.)

Anti August 17th, 2007 8:36 AM

Ingame it's fine. It would get murdered in the competitive battlefield though. First, they need EVs and some half decent natures. Aggron is your only wall, and his weakness to water isn't helped by the rash nature. Putting special attacks on aggron is suicide. Only one attack of each type per pokemon in most cases is good. Put an ice attack on swampert to caver his grass weakness. Items like the Magnet and the Miracle seed are really useless. Don't use them. Any HM moves like Rock Smash must be deleted. That's all I got for now.

bulbasaur3x August 17th, 2007 2:54 PM

Good team and it should beat the e4 easy team rate 4/5

Anti August 17th, 2007 3:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MysticManyula (Post 2765197)
Ok, since that... problem, I'll post my team here so everyone can rate it. It is on Ruby.

Pokémon: Glalie
Nickname: ICEBERG
Level: 47 Level really doesn't matter
Nature: Modest
Ice Beam
HP Special/Toxic/Water Pulse
Light Screen
Crunch

Pokémon: Aggron
Nickname: METALLICA
Level: 45
Nature: Impish
Iron Defense
Rock Slide/HP Steel
Earthquake/HP Steel
Double Edge/Thunder Wave

Pokémon: Gardevoir
Nickname: PSYCH
Item: Leftovers
Level: 45
Nature: Modest
Thunderbolt
Psychic
Calm Mind
Will-O-Wisp


Pokémon: Medicham
Nickname: CHAMP
Level: 46
Nature: Jolly
Brick Break
Shadow Ball
Rock Slide/Bulk Up
Reflect


Pokémon: Flygon
Nickname: MYSTICISM
Item: Chice Band
Level: 47
Nature: Adamant
Earthquake
Steel Wing
Rock Slide
HP Physical


Pokémon: Swampert
Nickname: TSUNAMI
Item: Leftovers
Level: 48
Nature: Relaxed
Surf
Ice Beam
Earthquake
Roar


All of them has PokéRus.

Do you think it will be enough to beat the E4? (Of course that I'll have to buy, say, 30 Revives and Full Restores, no?)

Another Thing: I don't give more than TWO TM's/HM's to a Pokémon (gave to Flygon 'cause he'll not learn any good attacks, I think.)

Changes in bold. I was forced to use many moves from move tutors in emerald due to some having horrid movepools. I did my best.

Gabri August 18th, 2007 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 2767746)

Pokémon: Glalie
Nickname: ICEBERG
Level: 47 Level really doesn't matter
Nature: Modest
Ice Beam
HP Special/Toxic/Water Pulse
Light Screen
Crunch

Pokémon: Aggron
Nickname: METALLICA
Level: 45
Nature: Impish
Iron Defense
Rock Slide/HP Steel
Earthquake/HP Steel
Double Edge/Thunder Wave

Pokémon: Gardevoir
Nickname: PSYCH
Item: Leftovers
Level: 45
Nature: Modest
Thunderbolt
Psychic
Calm Mind
Will-O-Wisp

Pokémon: Medicham
Nickname: CHAMP
Level: 46
Nature: Jolly
Brick Break
Shadow Ball
Rock Slide/Bulk Up
Reflect

Pokémon: Flygon
Nickname: MYSTICISM
Item: Chice Band
Level: 47
Nature: Adamant
Earthquake
Steel Wing
Rock Slide
HP Physical

Pokémon: Swampert
Nickname: TSUNAMI
Item: Leftovers
Level: 48
Nature: Relaxed
Surf
Ice Beam
Earthquake
Roar


Changes in bold. I was forced to use many moves from move tutors in emerald due to some having horrid movepools. I did my best.

1st: I can't change a Pokémon's nature.
2nd: This team I have is on RUBY, not EMERALD.
3rd: Gardevoir's Magnet saved me against Glacia because it powered up Thunderbolt.
4th: Roar? Light Screen? I don't think so. I only give them attacks that do damage.
5th: How do I give them Rock Slide?
6th: Removing Iron Tail from Aggron is suicide.
7th: So many Hidden Powers...
8th: Removing Medicham's Hi Jump Kick and Focus Punch is suicide.
9th: Gardevoir can't learn Will-o-Wisp. And if it could, I wouldn't give it that move because it is useless.
10th: And the HM's? Will I remove them? No, I always keep them with me. I never remove any HM's. What Pokémon do I have for Fly? And Strength? And the other HM's?

Sincerely, I think the movepools you put here are FAR worst than mine's.

Anti August 18th, 2007 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MysticManyula (Post 2772354)
1st: I can't change a Pokémon's nature.
2nd: This team I have is on RUBY, not EMERALD.
3rd: Gardevoir's Magnet saved me against Glacia because it powered up Thunderbolt.
4th: Roar? Light Screen? I don't think so. I only give them attacks that do damage.
5th: How do I give them Rock Slide?
6th: Removing Iron Tail from Aggron is suicide.
7th: So many Hidden Powers...
8th: Removing Medicham's Hi Jump Kick and Focus Punch is suicide.
9th: Gardevoir can't learn Will-o-Wisp. And if it could, I wouldn't give it that move because it is useless.
10th: And the HM's? Will I remove them? No, I always keep them with me. I never remove any HM's. What Pokémon do I have for Fly? And Strength? And the other HM's?

Sincerely, I think the movepools you put here are FAR worst than mine's.

You asked for help. Roar is for PHazing away DDers and other power up pokemon. You obviously are a bit clueless about online, but I'd be happy to help you. If you have all attack moves, you will be brutally torn apart by attack moves. Gardy learns Will-o-Wisp as an egg move. You breed to get better natures. HP is to help the fact that many of your pokemon have dreadful movepools. Iron Tail's accuracy is unreliable and always misses in the worst times. Really, if you won't at least respect our suggestions, why post? Magnet is a VERY useless item, ask anyone. As for the HMs, use an HM slave while training, like trpius and zigzagoon. Two moves of the same type on one pokemon is not good in most cases, so You need to listen at least. BTW, if you needed to be "saved against Glacia," your team needs work. The E4 are dirt as Richard Steel calls them, and he's twice as good as me. Well, just listen. You NEED support moves, not just attacks. Look at almost all the teams posted, they all have moves like roar and swords dance. Hope I helped.

Faceless* August 18th, 2007 2:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MysticManyula (Post 2772354)
1st: I can't change a Pokémon's nature.
2nd: This team I have is on RUBY, not EMERALD.
3rd: Gardevoir's Magnet saved me against Glacia because it powered up Thunderbolt.
4th: Roar? Light Screen? I don't think so. I only give them attacks that do damage.
5th: How do I give them Rock Slide?
6th: Removing Iron Tail from Aggron is suicide.
7th: So many Hidden Powers...
8th: Removing Medicham's Hi Jump Kick and Focus Punch is suicide.
9th: Gardevoir can't learn Will-o-Wisp. And if it could, I wouldn't give it that move because it is useless.
10th: And the HM's? Will I remove them? No, I always keep them with me. I never remove any HM's. What Pokémon do I have for Fly? And Strength? And the other HM's?

Sincerely, I think the movepools you put here are FAR worst than mine's.

Answers to your questions....

1 = You can, just breed the Pokemon, or catch another one, simple
2 = No answer needed..
3 = Magnet only increase Electric attacks by 10%, so NO!
4 = Why only damaging moves? Please... explain why..
5 = You obviously said you werent playing Emerald, think of what you say before you actually say it. You CAN NOT get Rock Slide on just any Pokemon in Ruby
6 = True, Aggron needs it for STAB, but a Rock type attacks are better because of Type Coverage
7 = No point in that >.>
8 = Always only have 1 type moves individually, dont have 2 Fighting moves in one Moveset, waste of space
9 = .... The first part I understand, it cant learn it in Ruby, but the second part your COMPLETELY wrong! Will-o-Wisp is NOT useless, its very VERY good to cripple physical sweepers
10 = This is why you have HM slaves silly

and the last piece of sentence, completely uneeded, and completely incorrect at the same time, Anti-Pop's movesets obliterated your's completely Thank You

Anti August 18th, 2007 2:30 PM

Sorry about the emerald thing, but you really need better movesets to do anything competitively. Roar...not useless. We're here to help.

Gabri August 18th, 2007 2:56 PM

Ok, but I only give them attacking moves because I don't care much about defense. I care about offense and speed.

Catching another Pokemon until getting the right nature? And I would lost 5 game hours training Aggron and 3 training Gardevoir?

I give my Pokemon Magnet and those items because they power up moves, be as low as they can.

I know that Will-O-Wisp burns and lowers their attack, but WHY Will-o-Wisp when they can learn better moves?

I NEVER have an HM Slave. I distribute HMs equally into my Pokemon.

The moveset you presented for Medicham doesn't give him any fighting-type move. A fighting-type Pokemon that doesn't have Fighting-type moves is useless.

I think that Glacia is the E4 most difficult to beat, she and Steven. The others are easy. That Walrein took me 4 Pokemon until I beated him with Gardevoir and its Thunderbolt.

Ok, I think it is enough. I only asked if this team is enough to beat the E4.

sims796 August 18th, 2007 3:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MysticManyula (Post 2773285)
Ok, but I only give them attacking moves because I don't care much about defense. I care about offense and speed.

Catching another Pokemon until getting the right nature? And I would lost 5 game hours training Aggron and 3 training Gardevoir?
Sorry, but thats just how it is sometimes
I give my Pokemon Magnet and those items because they power up moves, be as low as they can.
So low it's useless. There are better items
I know that Will-O-Wisp burns and lowers their attack, but WHY Will-o-Wisp when they can learn better moves?
Because Will--Wisp is a better move. Just cause it doesn't inflict pain right away doesn't make it weak
I NEVER have an HM Slave. I distribute HMs equally into my Pokemon.
You speak as if HMs are good. They aren't. Only useful for getting around.
The moveset you presented for Medicham doesn't give him any fighting-type move. A fighting-type Pokemon that doesn't have Fighting-type moves is useless.
Not really. If it does better with other moves, why give it fighting? His moves can hit what fighting can't
I think that Glacia is the E4 most difficult to beat, she and Steven. The others are easy. That Walrein took me 4 Pokemon until I beated him with Gardevoir and its Thunderbolt.
Meh, personal opinion. I hate the Dragon man
Ok, I think it is enough. I only asked if this team is enough to beat the E4.

Well, you say it as if HMs are useful. Don't power up defense, you will lose. There's more to battling than just blindly attacking.. HMs are not good for battling, so you really should get an HM slave.

We know what were talking about. If you feel you know so much, don't ask for help.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nameless111 (Post 2773081)
and the last piece of sentence, completely uneeded, and completely incorrect at the same time, Anti-Pop's movesets obliterated your's completely Thank You

I agree.

Gabri August 18th, 2007 3:16 PM

HMs ARE good.

Surf, Fly, Strength, Dive and Waterfall. Aren't they strong moves?

And I already said that I only asked if this team was enough to beat the E4.

I know what I am talking about too. Toxic is useful some times, but Light Screen? A definitively NO.

And... What are the physical sweepers and those blah blah blahs?

sims796 August 18th, 2007 3:19 PM

I don't think you do.

Fly & Dive are awful. Against humans, at least. Strengh, why waste time with that? There's Return.

LIGHT SCREEN? That move is extremly useful. Cutting damage in HALF sounds useless to you? It saved my arse plenty of times. With Toxic, all I gotta do is switch to end the effect of increasing poison. Then it becomes regular poison.

Against the Elite 4? It doesn't really matter, but what you have is good enough for the Elite 4. And only the Elite 4.

Anti August 18th, 2007 3:20 PM

EDIT: As for your claim HMs and Magnet are good, go read any team building guide...that should empty your mind of that.

MysticManyula, we're not trying to rip your team apart. In this case I am 100% certain I am right. Your team would not have fun against:

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Bold Nature
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Defense, 6 Special Defense
~Aromatherapy
~Seismic Toss
~Thunder Wave
~Softboiled

Strategy...And if you brought out medicham, in Skarmory would come. The extremely common Skarmbliss combo would absolutely murder this team, simply with strategy. That's what we're trying to help you with, startegy. Seeing you are limited to just ruby version, try this:

[email protected] Band
Jolly Nature
EVs: 252 Speed, 252 Attack, 6 HP
~Brick Break (if hi jump kick misses...)
~Shadow ball (for ghosts)
~Return
~HP Rock (for flying types)

With the Huge Power ability, I believe Medicham's max attack is 480 (correct me if I'm wrong). Brick Break+STAB+Choice Band+Huge Power=...well...Huge Power! Please try learning about EVs and/or incorperating them into your team.

sims796 August 18th, 2007 3:23 PM

Exactly. Were not trying to insult you, but your insulting us by arguing back as if we have no idea what we're talking about.

Anti August 18th, 2007 3:27 PM

Yeah, exactly. We do know what we're talking about. Even for the E4, that team is rather weak. Strategy>Power. By now, you get what we're saying. Please read into this a bit and come back with more knowledge (it only takes an hour or so to get EVs and non-attacking moves driven into your head). Don't feel bad, I only learned about EVs a couple months ago. You can do fine if you'd just listen to us.

Gabri August 18th, 2007 3:38 PM

Light Screen never saved me. And if you say it is enough to the E4, i'll try it, but now I'm going to bed... *yawns*

I use strategy. Half of the leaders weren't beaten if I didn't use strategy (for example, I won against Winona with level 25s... my strongest was Marshtomp at level 29) and I trained very hard to have them at these levels. If I catch one with the right nature, I'll spend hours and hours training them... for example Aggron, is very difficult to raise.

Now really going to bed **does a super-yawn**

Sorry, if you feel insulted, I'm really sorry, but I didn't want to insult you... I just disagreed a bit.

Anti August 18th, 2007 3:44 PM

Strategy isn't just using super effective moves. If you even read my post you'd know that. Even for the dirt known as the E4, the pokemon are all at very low levels. I could level up six pokemon to level 50 in about 5 hours. It's really not too hard. You need to read up on EVs and the importance of light scree, This should help:

Dragonite used earthquake!
Walrein used Ice beam!
It's supereffective! Dragonite fainted!

~with light screen up~

Dragonite used earthquake!
Walrein used Ice Beam!
It's supereffective!
Dragonite used earthquake!
Walrein fainted!

That should help.

sims796 August 18th, 2007 3:53 PM

Well, thats ok. Have a good sleep.

Shiraishi August 18th, 2007 4:19 PM

Did this guy should claim that HMs other than Surf and Waterfall are good? Glalie fails with his nice 200 something SP atk when maxed =_= You need to learn the D/P metagame or go away, simple.

Anti August 18th, 2007 4:23 PM

Actually it's for Ruby. He gets even madder than I do when you post 4th gen stuff. Still, he doesn't even know the Ruby metagame. Only surf is useful as an HM, and waterfall in D/P. Really though, MysticManyula, you NEED an HM slave. Trust us on that. *chants* HM slave! HM slave!

Shiraishi August 18th, 2007 4:28 PM

Oh. Skarmbliss was a bit of a necessity in 3rd gen x.x

sims796 August 18th, 2007 4:39 PM

Fine, fine. HM slave, HM slave, HM SLAVE!!!

Very improtant.

Gabri August 19th, 2007 12:45 AM

Hm... I'll try... But Swampert remains with Surf!

Shiraishi August 19th, 2007 12:46 AM

Having 2 water attacks on Swampert is a no no.

Gabri August 19th, 2007 12:51 AM

I'll try not to have only attacking moves on (maybe) Emerald, in my emulator... And I'll try to beat the E4 today, too, on Ruby.

Anti August 19th, 2007 1:15 AM

Level up to level 55 and the E4 should be no prob. Then you need to work on this team. I just posted mine, and while I know many of those pokemon you can't get in ruby, it should give you a good idea of a 3rd gen team. Surf actually is a good move, but the other HMs are useless. Make sure swampert has ice beam. VERY important.

Gabri August 19th, 2007 1:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 2775190)
Level up to level 55 and the E4 should be no prob. Then you need to work on this team. I just posted mine, and while I know many of those pokemon you can't get in ruby, it should give you a good idea of a 3rd gen team. Surf actually is a good move, but the other HMs are useless. Make sure swampert has ice beam. VERY important.

Ok... Let's do it.

I'll start my Emerald team...

Anti August 19th, 2007 1:33 AM

What do you plan on using? Really, some members of your team need to be replaced. You'll be rebreeding anyways, so you might as well get the best pokemon you can. Is this gonna be a OU or UU team? Or are you just using whatever pokemon you want, which is fine too?

EDIT: You can't rebreed Swampert without ditto, which you can only get in emerald. Pray your swampert is a female...

Gabri August 19th, 2007 1:49 AM

OU? UU? What is that? But anyways I think I'll get the Pokemon I want.

Anti August 19th, 2007 1:51 AM

Oh boy. OU is overused and UU is underused. ubers are thwe mega cheap, usually legendary pokemon, BL is borderline, and NU is never used. You must view the tier list. Go to smogon.com and go to "ever grande city" and there's a tier list. That should help.

n3croart August 19th, 2007 2:31 AM

Well .... it is a good team I'd admit that. But, the strongest pokemon with Steven (champion) would be Metagross Lv. 58

Perhaps a fire type I might suggest? Or raise your Aggron more.
IMO you still need a little more training. :-D

Anti August 19th, 2007 2:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lugialord (Post 2775373)
Well .... it is a good team I'd admit that. But, the strongest pokemon with Steven (champion) would be Metagross Lv. 58

Perhaps a fire type I might suggest? Or raise your Aggron more.
IMO you still need a little more training. :-D

With all due respect, that team he posted wouldn't last a second against real competiters. For the E4 it'll do alright, but after that, MM needs to rebreed and implement more strategy into his team, but he knows this. MM, what pokemon do you plan on using? I'd recommend:

[email protected] guess
Jolly/Adamant Nature
EVs: 252 Attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP
~Dragon Dance
~Earthquake (I pray you didn't use that TM)
~Aerial Ace/HP Flying
~Brick Break

and

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Bold Nature
EVs: 252 HP, 200 Defense, 58 Special Defense
~Recover
~Surf
~Ice Beam
~Mirror Coat

Too bad you can't utilize resttalk milotic in ruby...still, mirror coat is nasty-deadly.

also

[email protected] band
Jolly/Adamant Nature
EVs: 252 Speed, 252 Attack, 6 HP
~Megahorn
~Brick Break
~Eathquake
~HP Ghost

or you could try

Agiligross (Metagross)@Leftovers
Adamant Nature
EVs: some in speed, 252 attack, rest in HP and/or defense
~Meteor Mash
~Agility
~Earthquake
~Shadow Ball

also consider

[email protected]overs?
Timid Nature
EVs: 252 Speed, 252 Special Attack, 6 Special Defense
~Calm Mind
~Psychic
~Elemental Punch
~Elemental Punch

another good poke is

[email protected]/Shell Bell
Jolly Nature
EVs: 252 Speed, 252 Attack, 6 HP
~Spore
~Focus Punch
~HP Ghost/HP Rock
~Leech Seed/Sludge Bomb/Mach Punch

and last but not least

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Impish Nature
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Defense, 6 Attack
~Drill Peck
~Whirlwind/Roar
~Spikes
~Toxic

And those are some good pokemon to try. Not all work well together, but those are some good pokemon to use.

EDIT: Ignore the weird link. No idea how it got there.

Gabri August 19th, 2007 4:32 AM

I used the Tm Earthquake for Flygon... And Salamence is difficult to raise, but I'll try him with Flamethrower instead of Earthquake, for Ice-types. What do you say?

Feebas is super-difficult to find...

To have Metagross I have to beat the league, too bad...

For Alakazam I have to trade, but a Kadabra isn't bad.

Nothing to say about the others, I could try them.

Sora_8920 August 19th, 2007 4:35 AM

Milotic @:Leftovers
Trait: Marvel Scale
Bold Nature
Ice Beam
Surf
Rest
Sleep Talk

or,

Milotic @:Burn Orb
Trait: Marvel Scale
Bold Nature
Surf
Ice Beam
Recover
Hypnosis.

Anti August 19th, 2007 4:38 AM

This is for ruby, not D/P. Honestly, I'd restart if you don't have EQ. You NEED EQ on any team. No flamethrower on Salamence. However, you could use the 3rd gen version of specsmence

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Modest Nature
EVs: 252 Speed, 252 Special Attack, 6 HP
~Hydro Pump
~Fire Blast
~Crunch
~Dragon Claw

Special Mence. Rebreed swampert if you can since it learns EQ through level-up. They need to be EV trained. That is a MUST.

Sora_8920 August 19th, 2007 4:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 2775748)
This is for ruby, not D/P. Honestly, I'd restart if you don't have EQ. You NEED EQ on any team. No flamethrower on Salamence. However, you could use the 3rd gen version of specsmence

[email protected]
Modest Nature
EVs: 252 Speed, 252 Special Attack, 6 HP
~Hydro Pump
~Fire Blast
~Crunch
~Dragon Claw

Special Mence. Rebreed swampert if you can since it learns EQ through level-up. They need to be EV trained. That is a MUST.

Then he'll use the Restalk set.

Gabri August 19th, 2007 4:42 AM

How do I give Salamence Hydro Pump? The other attacks are alright. I'll breed Swampert.

Sora_8920 August 19th, 2007 4:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MysticManyula (Post 2775755)
How do I give Salamence Hydro Pump? The other attacks are alright. I'll breed Swampert.

You give him that through Breeding.

Anti August 19th, 2007 4:53 AM

Kingdra to be exact. Or Seadra/Horsea/Milotic. I recommend horsea, it's the fastest. So, you've added special mence. Will take people by surprise, including myself. How about your walls? That is a high priority.

Gabri August 19th, 2007 5:32 AM

Horsea is difficult to find... but it's worth of it. But Salamence learns Hydro Pump through breeding? But must it be with a Pokémon that has Hydro Pump or not?

I'll give up breeding Swampert. Hatched two Psyducks and one Marill with that, maybe it is because Swampert is a male.

I'll add Skarmory to the team (Not only because it may be a wall, it is because Steel-types are my faves, too)

Heracross will be added later.

Anti August 19th, 2007 6:06 AM

Okay, horsea are found with a super rod west between pacifidog and slateport. They aren't common, but you should find one in about tem minutes. Make sure it's a male. It learns Hydro Pum at lvel 43 or something like that. Don't evolve it to get it hydro pump faster. I already posted movesets for hera and skarm. Now you need a special wall, maybe grumpig?

Gabri August 19th, 2007 6:29 AM

I don't know... Isn't there any Pokemon else? I don't like Grumpig.

Anti August 19th, 2007 6:45 AM

Oh, plenty. Milotic...milotic. Ludicolo, though you can't get it in ruby, only sapphire. Gardevoir has very good sp. D. Same with bulky gyrados (recommended). Cradily is very good, make sure it's female to breed for egg moves. Dusclops has a whopping 130 base stat in both defenses, but has worthless HP. IT can still be good. I recommend bulky gyrados, though that doesn't really count as a special wall. I recommend cradily. Amnesia+mirror coat+suction cups=dominance. My vote is cradily. Oh, Regice as well.

Shiraishi August 19th, 2007 6:46 AM

Cradily is awesome and I love him so much :3 Cradily needs Recover ya know ._.

Gabri August 19th, 2007 6:53 AM

Cradily... If I haven't chose Claw Fossil and got Anorith...

Bulky Gyarados? I know it is a Gyarados, but what is "Bulky"?

Regice? Hm... I haven't opened its cave yet.

Dusclops... The problem is the HitPoints.

Anti August 19th, 2007 6:59 AM

On dusky, I mentioned that earlier. If you haven't chosen the root fossil, I've run dry on suusetions. Her's cradily:

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Bold/Impish Nature
EVs: 252 HP, 232 Special Defense, 126 Defense
~Recover
~HP Grass/Rock
~Barrier
~Amnesia

It can't get roared away, so it is a really, really good wall.

Gabri August 19th, 2007 7:18 AM

What is the "Bulky" part on the Bulky Gyarados you mentioned?

Anti August 19th, 2007 7:21 AM

The EV spread. Richard Steel knows it. I don't, but it looked very good. You'll need EQ though. If you have to start over your game, oh well. You NEED EQ. Really, it only takes about a week to beat the game only playing it a couple hours a day. What about Cradily?

Gabri August 19th, 2007 7:24 AM

I have Earthquake on Flygon and Swampert will learn it on Level 50-60.

Cradily is good, but I have chosen Claw Fossil I think... Let's see.
EDIT: Yeah, I chose Claw Fossil, but no Anorith :D
EDIT AGAIN: Isn't Anorith/Armaldo a good special wall?

Anti August 19th, 2007 7:32 AM

No! 80 base special defense and 75 base HP. Armaldo is a slower scizor with higher special attack, but it still sucks. You're in a pickle. As for EQ, you can't use Flygon and Swmpert because they're not EV trained. So you are basically limited to donphan as a EQ user:

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Adamant Nature
EVs: 252 Attack, 132 Defense, 126 HP
~EQ
~Rapid Spin
~Roar
~Return/Counter

I dunno, that's my donphan moveset. There are most likely better ones, but this will do for now.

Gabri August 19th, 2007 7:35 AM

Where does Donphan appear? Is it in the Safari Zone?

Anti August 19th, 2007 7:36 AM

Yes, Get an acro bike and head to that part. You also get heracross there. You'll want these to be female, but if not, make them have good natures (don't settle for anything, ever).

Gabri August 19th, 2007 7:41 AM

Ok! Heading to the Safari Zone! (not now, I'll head there later)

Anti August 19th, 2007 7:44 AM

We need a final "draft" of your team before you start training. Then go to the safari. You may end up replacing it and you'd just wasted your time. So we have:

Salamence (sp. sweep)
Heracross (phys. sweep)
Donphan (Rapid Spinner guy)

Anyone else we have? A special wall is needed now...

Gabri August 19th, 2007 7:47 AM

I really don't know... looks like I have to use Grumpig or I'm doomed.

Anti August 19th, 2007 7:51 AM

No, look for feebas. It took me over seven hours, but it was worth it...trust me. Chang ethe trend phrase in dewford town and investigate the route. Use:

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Bold Nature
Trait: Marvel Scale
EVs: 252 HP, 200 Defense, 58 Special Defense
~Mirror Coat
~Recover
~Surf
~Ice Beam

Blast Away! It's worth the search...I went through the frustration, so I know how it feels. Good luck.

Gabri August 19th, 2007 7:53 AM

Then where I'll get Chesto Berries? I think there are few...

Anti August 19th, 2007 7:55 AM

Chesto Berries? What does that have to do with anything?

Gabri August 19th, 2007 7:59 AM

To do Pokeblocks! So Feebas can evolve!

Anti August 19th, 2007 8:02 AM

Use other berries, or at least save acouple of them in case you ever use chestorest. Same goes for the lum berry. Really, you gotta catch feebas first. I evolved it in ten minutes. That's the easy part. Getting it is the nightmare. MAke sure you buy plenty of net balls.

Gabri August 19th, 2007 8:04 AM

ok. But now I'm playing emerald on my emulator, so I'll try Feebas on Ruby later.

Anti August 19th, 2007 8:06 AM

If you have emerald, can't you grad a root fossil?

Gabri August 19th, 2007 8:08 AM

But I have Ruby for GBA, Emerald for emulator.
But maybe my cousin can grab me one.

Anti August 19th, 2007 8:11 AM

Emulator? Ah, never mind. You now have milotic, so it's time for support pokemon. Good example:

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Timid Nature
EVs: 252 Speed, 252 HP, 6 Special Attack
~Thunder Wave
~Wish
~Thunderbolt
~Light Screen

That kind of thing. It's called a supporter...for obvious reasons.

Gabri August 19th, 2007 8:16 AM

Raichu is a good one, it isn't like Magneton, who has a bit more power but is SLOW like a snail. But I'm not sure if Raichu can learn Wish. The other attacks are alright.

Anti August 19th, 2007 8:24 AM

Raichu can learn wish, so wish I don't have to leave now. Comeup with a pokemon to counter those you haven't.

Gabri August 19th, 2007 8:29 AM

Hm... I will get those. But at least Swampert remains...

Anti August 19th, 2007 9:24 AM

Swampert needs to be EV trained...

Gabri August 19th, 2007 1:29 PM

Swampert may be EV trained or may not be, but I'll remain with it because it was my starter.

Searched for Horsea, Skarmory and Feebas without sucess, caught Phanpy and Heracross with sucess. I'll search for the others tomorrow.

Anti August 19th, 2007 1:48 PM

Really, without EVs, swampert goes bye-bye. It NEEDS EVs. Trust me. If you have to, start over so you can have all the TMs and can get a female starter. Swampert should be gone w/o EVs, really.

Nytkoi August 20th, 2007 8:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MysticManyula (Post 2775146)
Hm... I'll try... But Swampert remains with Surf!

it has too duh
plus emrald and ruby dosent make a diffrence,

Anti August 20th, 2007 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neminoa (Post 2781365)
it has too duh
plus emrald and ruby dosent make a diffrence,

Uh, not exactly. There are several differences between the two versions, so why post that comment? It had to do with getting the root fossil, but never mind. About the comment about surf, it actually doesn't. Earthquake and ice beam cover nearly every type water does. Really, its only use on swampert is STAB. In other words, both comments were incorrect...MysticManyula is new to this so we need not to mislead him. Use the spell check next time BTW. Okay, get a some dittos in the desert underpass after the E4 on emerald...that way you can breed a your male swampert. Try this set:

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Relaxed Nature
EVs: 132 Special Attack, 100 Attack, 156 Defense, rest in sp. D
~EQ
~Ice Beam
~Roar
~Rest/Counter/Endeavor/Rock Slide/Brick Break

Lots of choices. I recommend one of the last two moves or rest.

Gabri August 20th, 2007 2:39 PM

Caught Skarmory and Horsea. Feebas is SUPER-difficult to find, I've searched for around in 100 tiles, 2 hours and nothing. So, as I have Spoink, I'll evolve it into Grumpig and have a special wall.

Sora_8920 August 20th, 2007 2:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MysticManyula (Post 2783070)
Caught Skarmory and Horsea. Feebas is SUPER-difficult to find, I've searched for around in 100 tiles, 2 hours and nothing. So, as I have Spoink, I'll evolve it into Grumpig and have a special wall.

Skarmory @: Ganlon Berry/Apicot Berry/Wacan Berry/Occa Berry
Trait: Sturdy
Impish Nature/Relaxed Nature
Spikes
Whirlwind
Drill Peck
Substitute (To activate ganlon Berry)./Metal Sound/Pursuit.

Anti August 20th, 2007 3:46 PM

EDIT: Ignore the weird link...don't know what it's for...

Uh, he can't get ganlon berry w/o coliseum, so lefties will have to do. Still, with only one game, we'll have to come up with some items that aren't lefties. Now I'll do grumpig:

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Calm Nature
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Special Defense, 6 Special Attack
~Calm Mind
~Taunt
~Rest
~Psychic

-OR-

Same...
~Splash
~
~
~

Okay, here's the real second set:

Same...
~Reflcet
~Light Screen
~Psychic
~Rest

I'm no grumpig expert, so feel free to chime in.

Shiraishi August 20th, 2007 5:22 PM

Lol, splash >_> btw..Don't use chesto berries. Use wiki berries or ganlon berries.

Anti August 20th, 2007 6:21 PM

Did I say chesto berry? Well, anyways, here's MM's team now:

Skarmory
Grumpig
Donphan
Heracross
Milotic
Salamence

Starmie weakness...

Gabri August 21st, 2007 12:59 AM

Milotic, if I find Feebas. If I don't find, gonna be Swampert.

Raising Horsea now (level 33) to learn Hydro Pump at 43.

Looks that I have to take all berries I find. Can't plant a Berry 'cause the internal battery f**ed up. Berries won't grow, I think.

Anti August 21st, 2007 8:16 AM

Swampert better be EV trained. If I had actually purchased Netbattle yet or the online thing you can trade, I'd be giving you my own feebas. Well, my mom wants me to come upstairs...NOW, so that's all I got for now. Keep looking for feebas, it's worth the wait, promise.

sims796 August 21st, 2007 8:21 AM

Well, what is netbattle? Never understood.

Gabri August 21st, 2007 9:05 AM

Sucessfully hatched a Bagon with Hydro Pump. Evolved Phanpy.

I didn't find Feebas until now.

Anti August 21st, 2007 9:39 AM

You found feebas?!!! Nice! Okay, what are you gonna do about your starmie weakness?

Gabri August 21st, 2007 1:29 PM

No, I didn't find it. Sorry about it, but my English isn't complete.

Starmie weakness?

EDIT: I have a small trick to find it, but it may take hours..

Anti August 21st, 2007 3:29 PM

Milotic gets hit by thunderbolt, so watch out (mirror coat beats it) but it can't switch in and take two tbolts. Donphan is destroyed by surf, heracross by psychic (if the starmie is carrying it, though many don't). Mence...ice beam, and skarmory is hit hard by tbolt as was. No one really walls it, maybe grumpig, but meh. Getting firered/leafgreen would help you expand your options to the overpowering blissey, who stops starmie dead in its tracks.

Gabri August 22nd, 2007 2:10 AM

Yeah, I have Leafgreen, but didn't complete it yet. I am on the fifth gym I think... I'm using a trick to find Feebas now...

Anti August 22nd, 2007 11:46 AM

Okay, but before you start EV training and what not, we should finalize a solid team. Any good OU team shouldn't be starmie weak. Post the furure team you're planning on so we can help out more. That way, we can eliminate weaknesses.

Gabri August 22nd, 2007 2:23 PM

Spec-mence beats a Starmie with Crunch... And it's unlikely any trainer has a Starmie with that moveset. But...

Even with that trick I didn't find Feebas yet!!!

Anti August 22nd, 2007 2:56 PM

You do realize specsmence is only in D/P? Besides, starmie I believe (I'm not sure though) outspeeds mence, so uh oh. What if somebody else is in when a starmie comes out? Mence won't even survive switching in, assuming ice beam is used. If not, you are maybe at a disadvantage. You need a sloid starmie counter.

Gabri August 22nd, 2007 3:08 PM

So, I need a Dark type, no? Or an Electric type... But Grumpig can counter it, since I teached Shadow Ball to Spoink. So, no prob.

Anti August 22nd, 2007 3:13 PM

Oh no. Grumpig's attack...well, I have better attack than that thing. Supereffective doesn't mean everything, you need to be able to counter its attacks...*coughblisseycough*

Gabri August 22nd, 2007 3:17 PM

Yeah, I know... But is better than nothing, Grumpig hasn't SO bad attack power.

Now going to bed *yawns*...

Anti August 22nd, 2007 3:19 PM

45 base attack...all I can say is...NO! Try HP grass/electric! nononono

Gabri August 22nd, 2007 3:36 PM

How do I know a Hidden Power is a certain type? Does it have anything to do with the nature???

Anti August 22nd, 2007 3:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MysticManyula (Post 2793484)
How do I know a Hidden Power is a certain type? Does it have anything to do with the nature???

Nope, the IVs. If you don't know about them you MUST look it up. You can find a good IV/HP calculator online: Metalkid's (just google it).

Gabri August 22nd, 2007 3:42 PM

Hm, I'll look for it tomorrow, going to bed **does a super-yawn**

Bye!

**super-yawns again... and again...** xD

Anti August 22nd, 2007 3:43 PM

Okay, good luck with feebas. Try to look at alternatives for this team maybe...or movesets or something. It still needs work, but it's okay for now.

Ooka August 22nd, 2007 3:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 2788605)
Milotic gets hit by thunderbolt, so watch out (mirror coat beats it) but it can't switch in and take two tbolts. Donphan is destroyed by surf, heracross by psychic (if the starmie is carrying it, though many don't). Mence...ice beam, and skarmory is hit hard by tbolt as was. No one really walls it, maybe grumpig, but meh. Getting firered/leafgreen would help you expand your options to the overpowering blissey, who stops starmie dead in its tracks.

I hate to tell you but everyone runs with a timid starmie on those games(since there are no choice scarfs) so it would take 3-4 thunderbolts for a starmie to take down a milotic without recover. I think milotic is the counter to starmie.

Anti August 22nd, 2007 3:51 PM

You may be right, but w/o special defense EVs, can milotic take two thunderbolts? If it can, then you are right. I totally forgot about that. VERY good point, thanks for bringing that up.

Ooka August 22nd, 2007 3:54 PM

Is he not ev training his pokemon? Well even if he doesn't with milotics awesome combination of special defense and hp it can pretty much take thunderbolts and still have time to attack and recover.

Anti August 22nd, 2007 3:55 PM

Well, he's goping bold with def. and HP EVs.


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