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POKEMASTERALEX August 22nd, 2007 10:06 AM

Ditto
 
I'm trying to find out more about ditto. It seems there is great contraversy on whther or not it copies stats. What does tranform actually do?

Kim Do-yeon August 22nd, 2007 10:18 AM

Your answer to your question is that when Ditto uses Transform it copies the movepool but cuts the PP down by a fraction and also takes there type for example Ditto transforms into charmander it take the type fire but does not mimic the stats of the opponent!

POKEMASTERALEX August 22nd, 2007 10:20 AM

ok I've asked on other forums and there is debate on if it takes stats or not, are you sure it doesn't?

Punishment August 22nd, 2007 10:20 AM

I believe Ditto copies all the stats with the exception of HP. It copies the type and movepool too but you only get 5 PP for each move I think.

POKEMASTERALEX August 22nd, 2007 10:34 AM

lol two conflicting answers... are either of you sure?

Magius August 22nd, 2007 2:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by POKEMASTERALEX (Post 2791961)
lol two conflicting answers... are either of you sure?


From what i tested with my ditto on both NetBattle and on emerald, it copies the pokemon's Ability, type, sprite(duh), attacks(with only 5pps) and Base stats, and the rest of its stats are based on Ditto's Nature, IVs, and Evs!

test results on NetBattle showed that both pokemon had the same exact stats when they had the same IVs, EVs. when i gave Ditto differnt EVs, its stats changed with them.




except for HPs, it stays the same!

Shiny Umbreon August 22nd, 2007 3:07 PM

That's correct. It copies the type, ability, stats (not BASE) except for HP and moves with 5 PP in each move.

-ANSWERED-

Shiny Umbreon August 22nd, 2007 3:17 PM

Okay, okay, I just thought we didn't need it because there's not much to say apart from the answer.

Shiny Umbreon August 22nd, 2007 3:24 PM

I think you forgot to move it.

-MOVED-

Ooka August 22nd, 2007 3:28 PM

Um, since the mods are done spamming, if that's true then a focus sash ditto would be kind of ultimate, I think it just copies base stats.

TB Pro August 22nd, 2007 3:31 PM

it also copies the catch rate(found that out the hard way I had a regirock that got copied)

Ooka August 22nd, 2007 3:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Musashi-Kun (Post 2793441)
We weren't spamming, we were discussing the option of the thread, if you would care to look. It actually relates to discussion about the thread. Don't assume stuff unless you really know what you're talking about. o_O

I know what I am talking about, I am an admin on pokemonelement myself and I would have discussed the matter by pm, and so you don't convince me to go completely off topic I will talk about ditto some more.

I have fought with ditto before, catching them, I used a scyther and I attacked it with false swipe. It didn't even take half, so it transformed and my attack still took the same amount the next turn. It leads me to believe that it doesn't change at all.

Shiny Umbreon August 22nd, 2007 3:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ~Kazaam~ (Post 2793474)
I know what I am talking about, I am an admin on pokemonelement myself and I would have discussed the matter by pm, and so you don't convince me to go completely off topic I will talk about ditto some more.

I have fought with ditto before, catching them, I used a scyther and I attacked it with false swipe. It didn't even take half, so it transformed and my attack still took the same amount the next turn. It leads me to believe that it doesn't change at all.

Actually, I assumed the thread was closed, so Musashi just came to reopen it and then move it. It's not like we actually did the discussion here.

About Ditto now:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Blazikendude (Post 2793454)
it also copies the catch rate(found that out the hard way I had a regirock that got copied)

True. A Rattata normally would do. And also it doesn't copy the shininess nor the color in the G/S/C versions.

POKEMASTERALEX August 22nd, 2007 5:44 PM

Thank you Shiny Umbreon, and Musashi-kun
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hmm alright, are we sure it copies the ability aswell though? To my knowledge when it copies a shedninja it DOESN'T get wondergaurd.
Also the two items, quick powder and metal powder are interesting in that they double speed and defenses respectively. Why is metal powder the rarer of the two? If ditto copies stats aswell quick powder would be the only useful item. You could transform right away and then copy the opponents stats. Metal Powder becomes useless. Ditto's speed is laughable w/o any item intervention. Why would metal powder even BE an item if ditto copied all stats except hp?

Ooka August 22nd, 2007 5:49 PM

Which is why I think it copies base stats, not actual stats.

sims796 August 22nd, 2007 5:52 PM

I'm gonna assume that those stats are then altered to Ditto's level, and probably EV's.

POKEMASTERALEX August 22nd, 2007 5:52 PM

hmm I never knew there could be SO much to ditto. if it did copy base stats would the hold items designed for it still work? The hold items only work for DITTO if it transformed will they still work?

Ooka August 22nd, 2007 5:54 PM

Yes, because they are still ditto.

POKEMASTERALEX August 22nd, 2007 5:56 PM

so if ditto were level 100 and fighting a level 100 dialga. Ditto's evs were in attack and defenses, would it be just as strong as the dialga, if it copied it's base stats, then it's evs and ivs were proportionaly factored in?

Shiraishi August 22nd, 2007 5:57 PM

Wow. One time I was gonna trade a ditto, but I battled someone because I was bored while waiting. I still had the ditto. He magically survived an Arcanine's flamethrower o.0 the stat copying explains everything.

POKEMASTERALEX August 22nd, 2007 5:59 PM

was it transformed? if so, it was changed into fire type so flamethrower would have done less anyway

Punishment August 22nd, 2007 5:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by POKEMASTERALEX (Post 2794076)
so if ditto were level 100 and fighting a level 100 dialga. Ditto's evs were in attack and defenses, would it be just as strong as the dialga, if it copied it's base stats, then it's evs and ivs were proportionaly factored in?

Well if you were to EV train a Ditto you would want it max out HP and Speed. Ditto doesn't copy HP so you'd want it as high as possible. You want high speed so you can copy first before taking a hit.

POKEMASTERALEX August 22nd, 2007 6:01 PM

true, I figured those would be the choices, I was just using my earlier spread as an example.

I'll do some testing to see dittos true capabilities

Shiraishi August 22nd, 2007 6:02 PM

My ditto was slower. No powder or anything.

POKEMASTERALEX August 22nd, 2007 6:09 PM

Ok double battle VS Young Couple at bottom of Solcean Town
Ditto Lv 49 + Ninjask Lv 51
VS.
Machop Lv 19 + Meditite Lv 19

==========================================================
Meditite uses detect
Ninjask uses fury cutter on Meditite (no damage)
Ditto transforms into ninjask
Machop uses karate chop on ditto (1 HP)
---------
Speed boost activates on BOTH Ditto and ninjask (Ok so ditto DOES copy abilities)
Ditto goes before Ninjask and uses Fury Cutter to faint meditite
Machop uses seismic toss on ninjask
---------
Speed boost activates on BOTH Ditto and ninjask
Ninjask goes first now (could this be because they have the same speed???)
Fury Cutter faints machop

alright so from that battle we know that ditto DOES copy abilities, and maybe stats. Because for ninjask and ditto to rotate going first may mean they have the same speed stat



DITTOs Speed before transforming: 61
NINJASKs Speed: 182

Ooka August 22nd, 2007 6:12 PM

Well then that pretty much proves that ditto isn't as worthless as people said.

POKEMASTERALEX August 22nd, 2007 6:15 PM

definately, if we aren't mis-interpreting this somehow ditto could become MUCH more used

Ooka August 22nd, 2007 6:16 PM

I would just throw on a focus sash with max speed and see what it does.

Shiraishi August 22nd, 2007 6:17 PM

Uh, ditto needs quick powder though. If he doesn't transform before the opponent moves..bb ditto.

Punishment August 22nd, 2007 6:20 PM

With Quick Powder at max speed Ditto gets an impressive 428. That outruns tons of Pokemon.

POKEMASTERALEX August 22nd, 2007 6:20 PM

yeah he wouldn't be much good if all he had was one hp, I think he needs the q powder. The fact that Metal Powder is the rarer of the two, but is seemingly worse..

It sure does, and I have one of each nature at least, who thought everyone's favorite breeding machine could be everyone's favorite suprise in competitive battling

Ooka August 22nd, 2007 6:22 PM

Okay then, you say that 1 hp does no good? Well then let's say you try to transform into garchomp, what do you think the person is going to do? Let's just say it's either 1 hp or none hp.

POKEMASTERALEX August 22nd, 2007 6:24 PM

I definately know what you mean, but if he doesn't have quick powder he has no chance of being fast enough to tranform

Ooka August 22nd, 2007 6:26 PM

What I am saying is if he doesn't have focus sash, he won't get a chance to transform.

Punishment August 22nd, 2007 6:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ~Kazaam~ (Post 2794209)
What I am saying is if he doesn't have focus sash, he won't get a chance to transform.

But then at 428 Speed with Quick Powder he will get to transform unless it is against a Ninjask or something. Hopefully Ditto also resists the incoming attack.

Ooka August 22nd, 2007 6:28 PM

He won't survive a dragon claw from a garchomp if that's what it's transforming into. That's all I'm saying.

POKEMASTERALEX August 22nd, 2007 6:28 PM

ah also true. Man I want to check the IVS of all my ditto now lol

Waffle-San August 22nd, 2007 6:30 PM

if you use quick power then you could transform first, copy that Garchomp's defenses and survive. Punishment worked its speed out to be 428 then. That out runs a normal Gachomp.

Edit: Wow that was a lot of posts in a short amount of time.

Punishment August 22nd, 2007 6:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ~Kazaam~ (Post 2794217)
He won't survive a dragon claw from a garchomp if that's what it's transforming into. That's all I'm saying.

Thus Ditto is worthless again like everyone says. :(

Ooka August 22nd, 2007 6:33 PM

A garchomp can't survive another garchomps dragon claw.

Waffle-San August 22nd, 2007 6:34 PM

I was imagining a Eathquake.....

sims796 August 22nd, 2007 6:35 PM

Well, we have him for breeding. So-don't hurt me-I would call him one of the most useful pokes around.

POKEMASTERALEX August 22nd, 2007 6:36 PM

no doubt! I can really see potential in the gelatanous blob

Punishment August 22nd, 2007 6:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 2794250)
Well, we have him for breeding. So-don't hurt me-I would call him one of the most useful pokes around.

I meant competitive battling wise. XD

Ditto is such a pimp though. >.<

Ooka August 22nd, 2007 6:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.May16 (Post 2794248)
I was imagining a Eathquake.....

If someone was smart they know that ditto's only move was transform and use a dragon claw.

Waffle-San August 22nd, 2007 6:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ~Kazaam~ (Post 2794262)
If someone was smart they know that ditto's only move was transform and use a dragon claw.

true true very ture, is that 25 characters yet?

sims796 August 22nd, 2007 6:44 PM

Hold up. You'd be suprised the amount of idiots I've played online. Not on this site, of course. One jerkarse used a Wailord against Electivire BECAUSE HE THOUGHT WATER BEATS ELECTRIC. I can understand an honest mistake but...damn.

I don't mean to use Ditto in the hopes your opponent is a complete morron, but we should acknowledge those fools. After all, they give us a free win on our card.

Waffle-San August 22nd, 2007 6:50 PM

Laughing to hard to reply.

7rial 0F Doom August 22nd, 2007 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Team Poison (Post 2791895)
Your answer to your question is that when Ditto uses Transform it copies the movepool but cuts the PP down by a fraction and also takes there type for example Ditto transforms into charmander it take the type fire but does not mimic the stats of the opponent!

Exactly...Ditto would be an Uber if that was the case.

LOL! Noob...he thinks water beats electricity <:}

c_dog August 22nd, 2007 11:46 PM

actually ditto could still be usable if someone were to pass it a substitute. it's fun and if pulled off correctly it's pretty cool, but obviously you could pass substitutes to better pokemon, say a focus puncher.

POKEMASTERALEX August 23rd, 2007 4:52 AM

lol yeah I'm always thinking about how too pump up weak pokemon like butterfree for example with sub and agility etc. but then it occurs to me that I could just sub to a stronger pokemon and be even better off

Shiraishi August 23rd, 2007 5:58 AM

I just use smogon for all my UU,NU needs..But some ppl here tend to make some very creative movesets so I post here for OU. NU is a bit hard..stick with UU. Ditto should do well in UU.


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