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Ditto
I'm trying to find out more about ditto. It seems there is great contraversy on whther or not it copies stats. What does tranform actually do?
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Your answer to your question is that when Ditto uses Transform it copies the movepool but cuts the PP down by a fraction and also takes there type for example Ditto transforms into charmander it take the type fire but does not mimic the stats of the opponent!
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ok I've asked on other forums and there is debate on if it takes stats or not, are you sure it doesn't?
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I believe Ditto copies all the stats with the exception of HP. It copies the type and movepool too but you only get 5 PP for each move I think.
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lol two conflicting answers... are either of you sure?
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From what i tested with my ditto on both NetBattle and on emerald, it copies the pokemon's Ability, type, sprite(duh), attacks(with only 5pps) and Base stats, and the rest of its stats are based on Ditto's Nature, IVs, and Evs! test results on NetBattle showed that both pokemon had the same exact stats when they had the same IVs, EVs. when i gave Ditto differnt EVs, its stats changed with them. except for HPs, it stays the same! |
That's correct. It copies the type, ability, stats (not BASE) except for HP and moves with 5 PP in each move.
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Okay, okay, I just thought we didn't need it because there's not much to say apart from the answer.
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I think you forgot to move it.
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Um, since the mods are done spamming, if that's true then a focus sash ditto would be kind of ultimate, I think it just copies base stats.
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it also copies the catch rate(found that out the hard way I had a regirock that got copied)
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I have fought with ditto before, catching them, I used a scyther and I attacked it with false swipe. It didn't even take half, so it transformed and my attack still took the same amount the next turn. It leads me to believe that it doesn't change at all. |
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Thank you Shiny Umbreon, and Musashi-kun
---------------------------------------- hmm alright, are we sure it copies the ability aswell though? To my knowledge when it copies a shedninja it DOESN'T get wondergaurd. Also the two items, quick powder and metal powder are interesting in that they double speed and defenses respectively. Why is metal powder the rarer of the two? If ditto copies stats aswell quick powder would be the only useful item. You could transform right away and then copy the opponents stats. Metal Powder becomes useless. Ditto's speed is laughable w/o any item intervention. Why would metal powder even BE an item if ditto copied all stats except hp? |
Which is why I think it copies base stats, not actual stats.
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I'm gonna assume that those stats are then altered to Ditto's level, and probably EV's.
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hmm I never knew there could be SO much to ditto. if it did copy base stats would the hold items designed for it still work? The hold items only work for DITTO if it transformed will they still work?
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Yes, because they are still ditto.
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so if ditto were level 100 and fighting a level 100 dialga. Ditto's evs were in attack and defenses, would it be just as strong as the dialga, if it copied it's base stats, then it's evs and ivs were proportionaly factored in?
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Wow. One time I was gonna trade a ditto, but I battled someone because I was bored while waiting. I still had the ditto. He magically survived an Arcanine's flamethrower o.0 the stat copying explains everything.
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was it transformed? if so, it was changed into fire type so flamethrower would have done less anyway
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true, I figured those would be the choices, I was just using my earlier spread as an example.
I'll do some testing to see dittos true capabilities |
My ditto was slower. No powder or anything.
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Ok double battle VS Young Couple at bottom of Solcean Town
Ditto Lv 49 + Ninjask Lv 51 VS. Machop Lv 19 + Meditite Lv 19 ========================================================== Meditite uses detect Ninjask uses fury cutter on Meditite (no damage) Ditto transforms into ninjask Machop uses karate chop on ditto (1 HP) --------- Speed boost activates on BOTH Ditto and ninjask (Ok so ditto DOES copy abilities) Ditto goes before Ninjask and uses Fury Cutter to faint meditite Machop uses seismic toss on ninjask --------- Speed boost activates on BOTH Ditto and ninjask Ninjask goes first now (could this be because they have the same speed???) Fury Cutter faints machop alright so from that battle we know that ditto DOES copy abilities, and maybe stats. Because for ninjask and ditto to rotate going first may mean they have the same speed stat DITTOs Speed before transforming: 61 NINJASKs Speed: 182 |
Well then that pretty much proves that ditto isn't as worthless as people said.
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definately, if we aren't mis-interpreting this somehow ditto could become MUCH more used
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I would just throw on a focus sash with max speed and see what it does.
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Uh, ditto needs quick powder though. If he doesn't transform before the opponent moves..bb ditto.
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With Quick Powder at max speed Ditto gets an impressive 428. That outruns tons of Pokemon.
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yeah he wouldn't be much good if all he had was one hp, I think he needs the q powder. The fact that Metal Powder is the rarer of the two, but is seemingly worse..
It sure does, and I have one of each nature at least, who thought everyone's favorite breeding machine could be everyone's favorite suprise in competitive battling |
Okay then, you say that 1 hp does no good? Well then let's say you try to transform into garchomp, what do you think the person is going to do? Let's just say it's either 1 hp or none hp.
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I definately know what you mean, but if he doesn't have quick powder he has no chance of being fast enough to tranform
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What I am saying is if he doesn't have focus sash, he won't get a chance to transform.
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He won't survive a dragon claw from a garchomp if that's what it's transforming into. That's all I'm saying.
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ah also true. Man I want to check the IVS of all my ditto now lol
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if you use quick power then you could transform first, copy that Garchomp's defenses and survive. Punishment worked its speed out to be 428 then. That out runs a normal Gachomp.
Edit: Wow that was a lot of posts in a short amount of time. |
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A garchomp can't survive another garchomps dragon claw.
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I was imagining a Eathquake.....
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Well, we have him for breeding. So-don't hurt me-I would call him one of the most useful pokes around.
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no doubt! I can really see potential in the gelatanous blob
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Ditto is such a pimp though. >.< |
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Hold up. You'd be suprised the amount of idiots I've played online. Not on this site, of course. One jerkarse used a Wailord against Electivire BECAUSE HE THOUGHT WATER BEATS ELECTRIC. I can understand an honest mistake but...damn.
I don't mean to use Ditto in the hopes your opponent is a complete morron, but we should acknowledge those fools. After all, they give us a free win on our card. |
Laughing to hard to reply.
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LOL! Noob...he thinks water beats electricity <:} |
actually ditto could still be usable if someone were to pass it a substitute. it's fun and if pulled off correctly it's pretty cool, but obviously you could pass substitutes to better pokemon, say a focus puncher.
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lol yeah I'm always thinking about how too pump up weak pokemon like butterfree for example with sub and agility etc. but then it occurs to me that I could just sub to a stronger pokemon and be even better off
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I just use smogon for all my UU,NU needs..But some ppl here tend to make some very creative movesets so I post here for OU. NU is a bit hard..stick with UU. Ditto should do well in UU.
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