The PokéCommunity Forums

The PokéCommunity Forums (https://www.pokecommunity.com/index.php)
-   Pokémon Strategies & Movesets (archive) (https://www.pokecommunity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=12)
-   -   The Search For The "Best" Physical Wall/Tank(Maybe) (https://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=103059)

TB Pro August 24th, 2007 1:39 PM

The Search For The "Best" Physical Wall/Tank(Maybe)
 
Ok I Am trying to make the "best"* team!I already have Special and Physical Sweepers, a Special Wall,and a Mixed Sweeper!(movesets at bottom).These pokemon are the ones I thought might work.
-Steelix
-Skarmory(don't really like...)
-Aggron
-Bastidon
-Probopass
-Forretress
-Rhyperoir
If you think of any other pokemon that might work feel free to post them(but please no ubers)!please no movesets until I choose which pokemon I am going to use!The other members of my team!

Special Sweeper:
[email protected] Lens
Trait: Levitate
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 SATK/ 252 SPEED/ 4 HP
-Shadowball
-Thunderbolt
-Focus Blast
-Hypnosis

Physical Sweeper:
[email protected] Orb
Trait: Pressure
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 252 ATK/ 252 SPEED/ 4 HP
-Night Slash
-Ice Punch
-Brick Break
-Return

Special Wall:
[email protected]
252 HP/158 Def/100 SP.Def
Impish
Thick Fat
-Rest
-Curse
-EQ
-Return

My Mixed Sweeper:
[email protected] Sash
252 speed/158 attack/100 special attack
Blaze
Naive
-Nasty Plot
-Flamethrower
-Close Combat
-Brick Break

Thanks to Penguinpal6 and Kazaam for movesets!

*not proven to be the "best"

Faceless* August 24th, 2007 2:06 PM

... Isnt there already a thread for the "Best" team already? lol

Anyways, I prefer Steelix, he'll absorb ANY physical attacks, and doesnt have any 4x weakness

(In my opinion, there is no best team, every team MUST have a weakness, no matter what)

TB Pro August 24th, 2007 2:15 PM

I know but every time I just put I want a team revised they don't pay attention!so Steelix... cool!

Feuerbach August 24th, 2007 3:56 PM

My choice is Steelix as well. An advice is to use Iron Ball. It's like heaven's gift for Steelix: powers up Gyro Ball and makes EQ hit Flying types and those with Levitate.

Setup I use:

Steelix @ Iron Ball
Relaxed Nature (edited)
- Roar
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Gyro Ball

Hope it helps.

TB Pro August 24th, 2007 4:00 PM

What does Iron Ball Do Exactly(sorry n00b question)and thanx!Plus Steelix covers Fernape's flying weakness(if Iron Ball works Like I think it does)!

Punishment August 24th, 2007 4:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nameless111 (Post 2803374)
(In my opinion, there is no best team, every team MUST have a weakness, no matter what)

Every team has a weakness. ;)

As much as you hate Skarmory their is a reason he is OU.

Then again Bronzong is a good physical wall. HAs al ot of resistances and is immune to Earthquake with Levitate. It only fears the not so common fire attacks.

TB Pro August 24th, 2007 4:05 PM

Yes but I hate Skarms so it is a no-no for it!But I do nopt know about Bronzong.

Feuerbach August 24th, 2007 4:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blazikendude (Post 2803920)
What does Iron Ball Do Exactly(sorry n00b question)and thanx!Plus Steelix covers Fernape's flying weakness(if Iron Ball works Like I think it does)!

Iron Ball lowers your Speed, so more damage for Gyro Ball, and it makes Ground moves hit Pokemon that are Flying-type or have the Levitate Ability (like Weezing, ..)
It doesn't make Ground-type moves super effective against Flying Pokemon, if that's what you thought.

P.S.: I got the nature wrong. Use relaxed.
Cheers.

Azonic August 24th, 2007 4:25 PM

Steelix is probably one of the worst Stealth-Shufflers around

[email protected] Brace
Trait: Sturdy
Nature: Relaxed
EVs: 252 HP/ 172 DEF/ 80 ATK

Earthquake
Gyro Ball
Stone Edge/Ice Fang
Toxic/Stealth Rock

TB Pro August 24th, 2007 4:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feuerbach (Post 2804040)
Iron Ball lowers your Speed, so more damage for Gyro Ball, and it makes Ground moves hit Pokemon that are Flying-type or have the Levitate Ability (like Weezing, ..)
It doesn't make Ground-type moves super effective against Flying Pokemon, if that's what you thought.

Cheers.

no i was jost saying flying aint got nothin on Steelix!And that is what i thught it did(lower your speed/make flying pokes/pokes with levitate succeptible to Ground moves)!

Anti August 24th, 2007 4:29 PM

Well, yeah. While steelix is my fav physical wall, if you want the "best" team you would have bliss, but meh, I hate it too. Back on topic, Steelix can take any physical blow with the set mentioned above (the one with iron ball). However, it needs to be edited. 252 EVs in defense and HP, the rest in attack. Also, relaxed nature for gyro ball.

EDIT: BTW, use stone edge and stealth rock if you don't want it to be a SR shuffler.

Feuerbach August 24th, 2007 4:34 PM

Blazkiendude: Sorry, I got you wrong.
13: Sorry, made a typo there with the nature.
Penguinpal6: Sorry, but why do you say it's a horrible Stealth Shuffler, and then include Toxic and Stealth Rock in your moveset?

TB Pro August 24th, 2007 4:41 PM

So my Finished Product would be:

[email protected] Ball
EV's 252 Def/ 252 HP/ 4Atk
Nature: Relaxed
Ability: Sturdy
-Stone Edge
-Stealth Rock
-Gyro Ball
-EQ

Anti August 24th, 2007 4:41 PM

Honestly, I don't think it's a great stealthshuffler, but it's better than some, definately.

EDIT: Just saw your post, everything looks fine.

TB Pro August 24th, 2007 4:47 PM

ok thank you guys alot!well what do I need for my team now?

Ooka August 24th, 2007 4:48 PM

I prefer Rhyperior because of avalanch. But that's just me.

Feuerbach August 24th, 2007 4:59 PM

I guess it slipped off my mind, but of course you have Weezing, who is indeed a good Physical Wall. Not only it will take physical hits, but it can debilitate Physical Sweepers (Will-o-Wisp) if they don't have an Aromatherapist.

From what I've gathered Weezing is generally preferred to Steelix as a Physical Wall. My advice, just pick the goddamn Pokemon you like better for some reason, then work out the best possible setup for them, at least it's what I do. But then again, my ideas would quickly pull you down to BL/UU, so I'll STFU.

In good faith,
F

TB Pro August 24th, 2007 5:12 PM

what is UU?filler filler filler

Faceless* August 24th, 2007 5:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blazikendude (Post 2804298)
what is UU?filler filler filler

It is Underused, meaning it's not commonly used around competitive battles

Anti August 24th, 2007 5:22 PM

BL is borderline, OU is overused, just in case ya didn't know.

Eos Aduro August 24th, 2007 5:26 PM

Probopass seems pretty solid, with good in BOTH defensive stats. I have been planning on using one, but havent really jumped into it. He could work. Oh, and Anti-Pop, Blissey is, yes, amazing, but a special wall, not physichal. Good point though.

Anti August 24th, 2007 5:27 PM

I meant for his special wall, he has snorlax, who's outclassed by blissey as a special wall. But, yeah, probopass is a good option. It creeps me out, but it's a good option.

Eos Aduro August 24th, 2007 5:29 PM

Oh, I know moustahces on females, ugh.... He could sue MAgnet Rise to avoid Earthquake, but Im not really sure on his best strategy. He should probably use Discharge, looks like an awesome move for him type/stats.

Faceless* August 24th, 2007 5:36 PM

Most sweepers carry around a fighting move or two, Probopass is obliterated by a Brick Breaking Weavile from 4x weakness

Feuerbach August 24th, 2007 5:40 PM

Possibilities:

Blastoise @ Leftovers
Bold Nature
- Protect / Haze
- Rapid Spin
- Surf
- Ice Beam / Hidden Power Ground

Weavile @ ? (Life Orb?)
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Ice Punch
- Night Slash
- Brick Break / Substitute / Aerial Ace

EDIT: Wrong TOPIC <.<

TB Pro August 24th, 2007 6:10 PM

Ok soo are you saying you think that I should Get a Mixed Wall?Or just a Good poke?

Eos Aduro August 24th, 2007 7:13 PM

Hmm, well a good mixed wall would be beneficial for this team. You already have a special wall, a mixed could help benefit greatly.

Anti August 24th, 2007 7:25 PM

Agreed, but I wouldn't make it have a fighting weakness (except steelix cuz it can take those hits). even with steelix, you don't want those kind of weaknesses.

TB Pro August 24th, 2007 8:23 PM

well Steelix Is my Physical Wall Sooo What pokemon do you think Should be my Mixed Wall?

Anti August 24th, 2007 8:25 PM

You don't need a mixed wall, I'd recommend a tank. A mixed wall would be fine, but I like rhyperior...minus the design...as a physical tank. Swampert is also good.

TB Pro August 24th, 2007 8:29 PM

So You Are Saying Rhyperior or Swampy?I love Rhyperoir I wanted to encorperate him into my team somewhere

Anti August 24th, 2007 8:37 PM

I'd actually recommend swampert, as ryperior would add far more weaknesses than it would solve.

TB Pro August 24th, 2007 8:46 PM

Ok what evs!I guess umm this is my set(I know its very bad but...)
[email protected]
Impish??
Torrent
252 Def/ 158 Atk/ 100 HP???
-Waterfall
-EQ
-Curse
-Hammer Arm
ok I know it sucks but it is the best I can do sooo yeah!does anybody have a list of what the good new items are and what they do??

AnimeDDR110 August 24th, 2007 9:17 PM

[email protected]:
Flamethrower
Thunderbolt
Ice Beam
Earthquake

Max out the attack and the defense on rypherior, and the FT, IB, TB will cover many types. throw in earthquake ad ever type is effected by a super effective attack except psychic, fighting, dark, and ghost.

Anti August 24th, 2007 9:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnimeDDR110 (Post 2805440)
[email protected]:
Flamethrower
Thunderbolt
Ice Beam
Earthquake

Max out the attack and the defense on rypherior, and the FT, IB, TB will cover many types. throw in earthquake ad ever type is effected by a super effective attack except psychic, fighting, dark, and ghost.

NONONONONONONONONONONONONONONO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don;t use that! That set is literally suicide! Special attacks on rhyperior? NONONONONONONONNONONONONONONONO! That you should NEVER recommend. I'm not trying to be rude, but that is totally misguiding, and incorrect 100%.

TB Pro August 24th, 2007 9:20 PM

Yea but you ever looked at his Sp.Atk stat?it aint' nothin' to marvel over!

EDIT:Listen to Anti-Pop Culture Warrior13 its base Sp.Atk is a sad:55

Anti August 24th, 2007 9:29 PM

55...torterra's speed. So yeah, maybe the elemental punches, but NOT boltbeam and Fthrower.

TB Pro August 24th, 2007 9:31 PM

That is like one of the lowest base stats in D/P

Onetracmind August 24th, 2007 9:34 PM

Have you ever thought of Tangrowth?

Hes an awesome gyrados couter... I use him and he seems to do well.

TB Pro August 24th, 2007 9:35 PM

eh maybe I dunno filler filler

AnimeDDR110 August 24th, 2007 9:50 PM

ok. i'm not smart as i see so whats the the best moveset for rypherior. try frosslass.

Anti August 24th, 2007 9:54 PM

Froslass isn't that great...at all IMO. Froslass can't wall anything, that's why we're in search of a tank. I still say swampert.

TB Pro August 24th, 2007 9:54 PM

Well I don't know but I had

Megahorn
EQ
Stone Edge
Hammer Arm

that was ingame a long time ago

my cousins was
Fire Punch
EQ
Ice Punch
Megahorn


EDIT:well when you get a chance can you post a moveset for Swampy mine is abouve

Anti August 24th, 2007 9:56 PM

Rhyperior NEEDS: EQ, Stone Edge
WANTS: Megahorn, avalanche
COULD USE: other common phys. attacks like the elem. punches. I'd use those first four.

TB Pro August 24th, 2007 9:58 PM

Mine would Probably be
EQ
Stone Edge
Avalanche
Megahorn

if I made one now!

Anti August 24th, 2007 10:05 PM

Good, now, EVs and nature. I'd say adamant, impish, brave, or relaxed. W/e you want. It doesn't need speed, so no worries there.

AnimeDDR110 August 24th, 2007 10:10 PM

Anti Pop Cutlure Warrior 13: I thought you couldn't talk now =P

anyway can shuckle learn a move to keep blissey in battle? like can't escape move? that could be nice. what about staraptor. frosslass is actually great. its my bros star pokemon maxxed out sp. atk and speed. i forget the moves, but i think its one psyhical move, and i know it has toxic. his record is 39-4. its only been knocked out 4 times i watch all his battles. oh i know, its ice beam! here it is:

[email protected] Item
Destiny Bond
Ice Beam
Toxic
Substitute

If its fire or metal type, he just destny bond's it. anything else, he'll substitute then toxic it and if its still in substitute, ice beam. he'll only switch out to blissey and sometimes gengar. he uses it very good.

Anti August 24th, 2007 10:12 PM

About shuckle, seismic toss/ice beam from bliss wears it down, so bliss beats it head-to-head anyways, not to mention healing the group. For froslass, it's a she BTW. IT doesn't wall much though, just brings down one poke. That's not really a wall or a tank.

AnimeDDR110 August 24th, 2007 10:16 PM

he doesn't want it to be a wall or tank. he likes the 16 hard evoultion pokemon to use. wait i'm lost. oh well, its great in battle.

Punishment August 24th, 2007 10:17 PM

Once again Bronzong.

Base Stats: 67 89 116 79 116 33

[email protected]
Ability: Levitate
Relaxed Nature (+Def,-Spd)
252 HP / 252 Def / 6 SDef
-Gyro Ball
-Earthquake
-Trick Room
-Hypnosis

Only weak to fire. Immune to Ground and Poison. Resistant to Normal, Grass , Ice , Flying, Psychic, Rock, Dragon and Steel. What more can you ask for? Try to get zero IVs in Speed too which would give you 63 speed at level 100. Then Gyro Ball is just godly.

Their is also Spiritomb.

Anti August 24th, 2007 10:19 PM

How'd I forget bronzong? That's a worthy poke. He is indeed looking for a tank BTW.

Faceless* August 25th, 2007 5:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Punishment (Post 2805571)
Once again Bronzong.

Base Stats: 67 89 116 79 116 33

[email protected]
Ability: Levitate
Relaxed Nature (+Def,-Spd)
252 HP / 252 Def / 6 SDef
-Gyro Ball
-Earthquake
-Trick Room
-Hypnosis

Only weak to fire. Immune to Ground and Poison. Resistant to Normal, Grass , Ice , Flying, Psychic, Rock, Dragon and Steel. What more can you ask for? Try to get zero IVs in Speed too which would give you 63 speed at level 100. Then Gyro Ball is just godly.

There is also Spiritomb.

Why hasnt anyone considered a Heatproof Bronzong to surprise it's foes? There are rarely any Sp. Ground attacks for a Physical Bronzong, and there is a LOT of Sp. Fire attacks used if you have a physical Bronzong. Earthquake is scary, I know, but you could have heatproof to surprise your opponent. I doubt an opponent using a Garchomp against you with use Earthquake against Bronzong, the player would have no idea at all

AnimeDDR110 August 25th, 2007 6:27 AM

yeah try spiritomb. medium fast on the exp. points and try to ev in it attack 7 defense or sp.atk & sp.def depending on your moveset. 311 is max attack & sp.atk & 346 on max def. and sp.def.

Punishment August 25th, 2007 8:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nameless111 (Post 2806549)
Why hasnt anyone considered a Heatproof Bronzong to surprise it's foes? There are rarely any Sp. Ground attacks for a Physical Bronzong, and there is a LOT of Sp. Fire attacks used if you have a physical Bronzong. Earthquake is scary, I know, but you could have heatproof to surprise your opponent. I doubt an opponent using a Garchomp against you with use Earthquake against Bronzong, the player would have no idea at all

Levitate > Heatproof simply becuase having an immunity is better then taking damage altogether.

Faceless* August 25th, 2007 8:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Punishment (Post 2807211)
Levitate > Heatproof simply becuase having an immunity is better then taking damage altogether.

I meant to surprise an opponent, people will THINK that Bronzong has Levitate, they will go for a quick Flamethrower, Fire Blast etc.

If your using a Physical Bronzong, Heatproof is best in my opinion because Special Ground type moves arent very common

Punishment August 25th, 2007 9:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nameless111 (Post 2807225)
I meant to surprise an opponent, people will THINK that Bronzong has Levitate, they will go for a quick Flamethrower, Fire Blast etc.

If your using a Physical Bronzong, Heatproof is best in my opinion because Special Ground type moves arent very common

Bronzong will still take a dent from fire attacks even if it isn't super effective. Togekiss, Houndoom, Salamence and maybe Garchomp can still at least 2HKO Bronzong with a Fire attack.

It is up to preference really.

Waffle-San August 25th, 2007 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blazikendude (Post 2803278)
My Mixed Sweeper:
[email protected] Sash
252 speed/158 attack/100 special attack
Blaze
Naive
-Nasty Plot
-Flamethrower
-Close Combat
-Brick Break

Thought you were going with a mixedmence. Infernape will serve well of course though.

Well for Tanking, Tangrowth is amazing. Steelix and Bronzong are probabley better choices for you though, at the moment you need walls.

But if your still interested I highly suggest you check out Tangrowth. I'm not to experienced with conducting a movepool for her though. Just make sure to keep here away from special sweepers.

TB Pro August 25th, 2007 12:56 PM

Yes I wanted to use a Mixedmence but no one would post a full moveset!Also I have Decided on Swampy for a Tank sooo could Someone Post A Moveset?

Anti August 25th, 2007 1:01 PM

Yay! Swampy, one of my favs. Here ya go:

[email protected]
Relaxed Nature
EVs: 252 Attack, rest in defenses and HP
~Curse
~EQ
~Avalanche
~Rest/Waterfall

I'm bad with EVs for Swampy, but the moveset I'm pretty sure of. Stone edge is another option I forgot to put in there in that last slot.

TB Pro August 25th, 2007 1:05 PM

Id Go 252 Atk/ 158 Def/ 100 HP for the EV's I think but yeah!Well Can Someone Post A full Moveset of a Mixedmence?with EV's Nature and All?Also Thank you Anti-Pop Culture Warrior13 for all the help!

Anti August 25th, 2007 1:11 PM

Here's mixedmence, or my set at least:

[email protected] Orb
Hasty Nature (i think, maybe naive)
EVs: 252 Speed, 132 Special Attack, 126 Attack
~Dragon Claw
~HP Flying
~EQ/Stone Edge
~Flamethrower

Yeah, obviously for 4th gen. I believe there is another mixedmence set, but that's the one mence set I'm not a master at. I know the EVs are good though.

EDIT: Forgot about Dragon Dance, which is common on mixedmence. My set probably isn't the standard.

TB Pro August 25th, 2007 1:14 PM

Thanks ummm I know this is a n00bish question but how do you get certain HP types?Also I would want to put DD in there somewhere.

EDIT:these are the moves I was thinking of running

Dragon Dance
Dragon Claw
Flamethrower
EQ/Stone Edge

Anti August 25th, 2007 1:19 PM

Okay, here's my DDmixmence:

Same as last time...
~Dragon Dance
~Dragon Claw/EQ
~Flamethrower
~any attacking move really...

The purpose is to use DD, and the opponent will switch into the physical wall, let's say skarmory. Use flamethrower on the turn they switch out (which is very predictable) and bye-bye steelix/Skarmory/forretress. Simple prediction really.

TB Pro August 25th, 2007 1:25 PM

Plus then they send in a special wall and a DD'd EQ/Dragon Claw wipes them out!So Mixedmence is all about confusing your foes.In the Last Slot I would Add....Either Dragon Claw(if not used abouve)or Stone Edge/EQ(if not used abouve)

Anti August 25th, 2007 1:32 PM

I'd use EQ and Dragon Claw both, with fthrower and DD.

TB Pro August 25th, 2007 2:01 PM

Ok sooo
[email protected] Orb
108 Atk/ 150Sp.atk/ 252 Spd
Nature: Hasty
Ability: Intimidate
-Flamethrower
-DD
-Dragon Claw
-EQ

hows that?

TB Pro August 25th, 2007 2:07 PM

Ok sooo
[email protected] Orb
108 Atk/ 150Sp.atk/ 252 Spd
Nature: Hasty
Ability: Intimidate
-Flamethrower
-DD
-Dragon Claw
-EQ

hows that?

Anti August 25th, 2007 2:21 PM

You posted it twice, just so you know. It's fine, but since you have attack EVs and DD, modest/timid wouldn't be too bad either if you hate subtracting defenses.

TB Pro August 25th, 2007 2:28 PM

Ok sooo
[email protected] Orb
108 Atk/ 150Sp.atk/ 252 Spd
Nature: Modest
Ability: Intimidate
-Flamethrower
-DD
-Dragon Claw
-EQ

hows that?

Modest to take care of most Steel types!

Anti August 25th, 2007 2:37 PM

Looks good. Not much else to say. Could use a second opinion though.

TB Pro August 25th, 2007 2:43 PM

Ok(did you see my new avvy?)well if anybody else comes in then then I hope they give us a second opinion!

Waffle-San August 25th, 2007 3:52 PM

Well
EQ
DD
Dragon Claw
Flametrhower

is the movepool I originally posted in the other thread so I'm going to stand by it. And ya I'd say go Modest, you want flamethrower ot pack a punch and DD will make up for whatever attack points your losing hopefully. So I basically back you both up.

I'm not really good with Swampert so I'm just going to leave the moveset Anti.... posted.(I still think Tangrowth deserves some consideration)

Anti August 25th, 2007 3:53 PM

Tangrowth is a very good pokemon, but I think his mind has been made up. I agree though.

TB Pro August 25th, 2007 3:59 PM

Well do you think I should go with Tang?

Eos Aduro August 25th, 2007 4:14 PM

Yeah, you could go with this set

Tangrowth-Leftovers/Heat Rock
Bold-252 Defense, 152 HP, 104 Special Attack
Substitue
LEech Seed
Sunny Day
AQncient Power

I dont really know, made up on the spot.

TB Pro August 25th, 2007 4:18 PM

What Excactly does Heat Rock do?
and that set looks kinda flawed.

Persona August 25th, 2007 4:23 PM

I personally think this works better:

Tangrowth @ Leftovers
Impish Nature
EVs: 252 HP / 225 Def / 31 Spd
- Leech Seed
- Power Whip
- Knock Off
- Sleep Powder

Quote:

What Excactly does Heat Rock do?
It prolongs the term of Sunny Day's affect.

Anti August 25th, 2007 4:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shirosaki (Post 2809058)
I personally think this works better:

Tangrowth @ Leftovers
Impish Nature
EVs: 252 HP / 225 Def / 31 Spd
- Leech Seed
- Power Whip
- Knock Off
- Sleep Powder



It prolongs the term of Sunny Day's affect.

Nice set. I'd use that if you use tangrowth.

TB Pro August 25th, 2007 4:27 PM

Well do I use it over Swampy??or does swampy cover my team better??Im confused!

Anti August 25th, 2007 4:30 PM

I think swampy would be better since you have steelix as your physical wall.

TB Pro August 25th, 2007 4:36 PM

WOA!!how'd he get Booted out??and ok.thanx

AnimeDDR110 August 25th, 2007 9:51 PM

idk. probably on a different thread or something the mods delete those. its happened to me before. but anyway back on topic:

why don't you try duskinoir.

TB Pro August 26th, 2007 10:19 AM

can you ever come back after getting booted out?and also I think that I am going to go with Swampy!

AnimeDDR110 August 26th, 2007 3:01 PM

no you would have to make a new profile. like i said try duskinoir with this moveset:

Will-O-Wisp
Shadow Sneak
Pain Split
Substitiute

since duskinoir has high defense & sp.def, use substitute. it will take a couple of turns to get you out of that. then in the mean time, pain split to get your hp up a little bit, then toxic or will-o-wisp to give it that sp. condidition. then switch out. btw shadow sneak is good for a pokemon that is weak to duskinoir and it goes first.

Waffle-San August 26th, 2007 9:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnimeDDR110 (Post 2813646)
no you would have to make a new profile. like i said try duskinoir with this moveset:

Will-O-Wisp
Shadow Sneak
Pain Split
Substitiute

since duskinoir has high defense & sp.def, use substitute. it will take a couple of turns to get you out of that. then in the mean time, pain split to get your hp up a little bit, then toxic or will-o-wisp to give it that sp. condidition. then switch out. btw shadow sneak is good for a pokemon that is weak to duskinoir and it goes first.


His low HP makes Substitute more of a risk than a blessing sometimes. And When your banded I believe its oringinally a couple weeks or a month.

TB Pro August 27th, 2007 1:20 PM

Yeah like I said I want to go with Swampy sooo yeah!Also Who Should be my lead?Maybe Weavile or Gengar?

AnimeDDR110 August 27th, 2007 3:20 PM

Gengar! i use him on my team. his high special attack works good in with the speed. why don't you play shoddy battle? that helps. its just like pokemon netbattle except its all d/p pokemon and animations (other egion pokemon also). its fun!

TB Pro August 27th, 2007 3:25 PM

I do!I like Shoddy I like the format of netbattle more but I like the pokemon way better on shoddy!

Persona August 27th, 2007 4:04 PM

No, it's not best to use Gengar as your lead. Never lead with something that's slower than Weavile and is weak to Pursuit.

AnimeDDR110 August 27th, 2007 5:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shirosaki (Post 2817835)
No, it's not best to use Gengar as your lead. Never lead with something that's slower than Weavile and is weak to Pursuit.

oh i forgot. i use electivire (i'm usually against a ground type first). then i switch into gengar and he won't be effected (levitate ability).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blazikendude (Post 2817668)
I do!I like Shoddy I like the format of netbattle more but I like the pokemon way better on shoddy!

yeah i know. whats your name on there? i will battle you one day.

TB Pro August 28th, 2007 6:13 PM

my name is Blazikendude!Also what moveset would you suggest as a moveset for Gliscor and Gallade(one of my new favorite pokemon!)?

Waffle-San August 28th, 2007 7:13 PM

Gallade
Adamant
Leaf Blade
Swords Dance
Psycho Cut
Close Combat

Or (my favourite)

Gallade
Careful
Will "O" Wisp
Psycho Cut
Close Combat
Swords Dance

I prefer using Gallade as a pokemon that can take hits just as well as dealing them out. (why don't people reply to my threads like this:'( )

Persona August 29th, 2007 6:29 AM

Gliscor @ Leftovers
Impish Nature
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 Atk
- Roost
- Knock Off / Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge / Aerial Ace

Makes a great Heracross counter and supporter.

nhuan August 30th, 2007 3:51 AM

Have you considerer Umbreon? She has a max of 394 life, 350 def and 394 of SpDef. Only weak against bug and fighting.

her moveset would be:
Toxic
Mean look
Moonlight
Baton Pass

Punishment August 30th, 2007 7:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nhuan (Post 2827086)
Have you considerer Umbreon? She has a max of 394 life, 350 def and 394 of SpDef. Only weak against bug and fighting.

her moveset would be:
Toxic
Mean look
Moonlight
Baton Pass

She can only max out two of her stats though. It is recommended to max out her HP and Defenses.

If you do decide on Umbreon here is an alternate moveset.

-Wish/Moonlight
-Mean Look
-Baton Pass
-Toxic/Curse/Taunt/Yawn/etc...

AnimeDDR110 August 30th, 2007 6:44 PM

ok, i finally thought of a great moveset for shuckle that i got in a trade today (sure its been used already).


gyro ball+power trick=one of the greatest pokemon you will ever see.

we all know shuckle has horrible attack & speed, but gyro ball and bad speed can do a little damage. unfortunately, it could do more with power trick. a nasty little move that switches attack & defense, now your shuckle will have the best attack you might ever see on a pokemon. plus gyro ball=wiping the floor. unfortunately, this does limits shuckle time in battle a little.

plus throw in toxic, rest and a chesto berry will make shuckle last a while.

Azonic August 31st, 2007 2:58 AM

No its not the best pokemon. One slow sweeper, any physical attacker blows shuckle away.

This is the best sweeping shuckle: Trick Room + Power Trick = Greatest physical sweeper ever!

Captain Fabio August 31st, 2007 3:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Penguinpal6 (Post 2830577)
No its not the best pokemon. One slow sweeper, any physical attacker blows shuckle away.

This is the best sweeping shuckle: Trick Room + Power Trick = Greatest physical sweeper ever!

Ok, you have used trick room, then the other person would be clever and guess your going to use power trick next, you use power trick, and they have a free hit on your defense. Thats a dead shuckle.
Its bad and too risky to do that!

AnimeDDR110 September 2nd, 2007 6:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by garra_of_the_desert (Post 2830659)
Ok, you have used trick room, then the other person would be clever and guess your going to use power trick next, you use power trick, and they have a free hit on your defense. Thats a dead shuckle.
Its bad and too risky to do that!

yes i agree with that. very risky.

TB Pro September 14th, 2007 12:41 PM

eh but if you use power trick alone then you got yourself one dead shuckle!but eh maybe
-Gyro Ball
-Power Trick
-Trick Room
-Toxic

First Turn
TTar uses DD
Shuckle uses Trick room

Second Turn
Shuckle uses Toxic
TTar uses EQ

Third Turn
Shuckle uses Power Trick
TTar Uses DD

Fourth Turn
Shuckle uses Gyro Ball
TTar Faints

Winner:Shuckle

I know that was not really to accurate but..


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 5:31 AM.


Like our Facebook Page Follow us on Twitter © 2002 - 2018 The PokéCommunity™, pokecommunity.com.
Pokémon characters and images belong to The Pokémon Company International and Nintendo. This website is in no way affiliated with or endorsed by Nintendo, Creatures, GAMEFREAK, The Pokémon Company or The Pokémon Company International. We just love Pokémon.
All forum styles, their images (unless noted otherwise) and site designs are © 2002 - 2016 The PokéCommunity / PokéCommunity.com.
PokéCommunity™ is a trademark of The PokéCommunity. All rights reserved. Sponsor advertisements do not imply our endorsement of that product or service. User generated content remains the property of its creator.

Acknowledgements
Use of PokéCommunity Assets
vB Optimise by DragonByte Technologies Ltd © 2023.