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The Search For The "Best" Physical Wall/Tank(Maybe)
Ok I Am trying to make the "best"* team!I already have Special and Physical Sweepers, a Special Wall,and a Mixed Sweeper!(movesets at bottom).These pokemon are the ones I thought might work.
-Steelix -Skarmory(don't really like...) -Aggron -Bastidon -Probopass -Forretress -Rhyperoir If you think of any other pokemon that might work feel free to post them(but please no ubers)!please no movesets until I choose which pokemon I am going to use!The other members of my team! Special Sweeper: [email protected] Lens Trait: Levitate Nature: Timid EVs: 252 SATK/ 252 SPEED/ 4 HP -Shadowball -Thunderbolt -Focus Blast -Hypnosis Physical Sweeper: [email protected] Orb Trait: Pressure Nature: Jolly EVs: 252 ATK/ 252 SPEED/ 4 HP -Night Slash -Ice Punch -Brick Break -Return Special Wall: [email protected] 252 HP/158 Def/100 SP.Def Impish Thick Fat -Rest -Curse -EQ -Return My Mixed Sweeper: [email protected] Sash 252 speed/158 attack/100 special attack Blaze Naive -Nasty Plot -Flamethrower -Close Combat -Brick Break Thanks to Penguinpal6 and Kazaam for movesets! *not proven to be the "best" |
... Isnt there already a thread for the "Best" team already? lol
Anyways, I prefer Steelix, he'll absorb ANY physical attacks, and doesnt have any 4x weakness (In my opinion, there is no best team, every team MUST have a weakness, no matter what) |
I know but every time I just put I want a team revised they don't pay attention!so Steelix... cool!
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My choice is Steelix as well. An advice is to use Iron Ball. It's like heaven's gift for Steelix: powers up Gyro Ball and makes EQ hit Flying types and those with Levitate.
Setup I use: Steelix @ Iron Ball Relaxed Nature (edited) - Roar - Stealth Rock - Earthquake - Gyro Ball Hope it helps. |
What does Iron Ball Do Exactly(sorry n00b question)and thanx!Plus Steelix covers Fernape's flying weakness(if Iron Ball works Like I think it does)!
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As much as you hate Skarmory their is a reason he is OU. Then again Bronzong is a good physical wall. HAs al ot of resistances and is immune to Earthquake with Levitate. It only fears the not so common fire attacks. |
Yes but I hate Skarms so it is a no-no for it!But I do nopt know about Bronzong.
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It doesn't make Ground-type moves super effective against Flying Pokemon, if that's what you thought. P.S.: I got the nature wrong. Use relaxed. Cheers. |
Steelix is probably one of the worst Stealth-Shufflers around
[email protected] Brace Trait: Sturdy Nature: Relaxed EVs: 252 HP/ 172 DEF/ 80 ATK Earthquake Gyro Ball Stone Edge/Ice Fang Toxic/Stealth Rock |
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Well, yeah. While steelix is my fav physical wall, if you want the "best" team you would have bliss, but meh, I hate it too. Back on topic, Steelix can take any physical blow with the set mentioned above (the one with iron ball). However, it needs to be edited. 252 EVs in defense and HP, the rest in attack. Also, relaxed nature for gyro ball.
EDIT: BTW, use stone edge and stealth rock if you don't want it to be a SR shuffler. |
Blazkiendude: Sorry, I got you wrong.
13: Sorry, made a typo there with the nature. Penguinpal6: Sorry, but why do you say it's a horrible Stealth Shuffler, and then include Toxic and Stealth Rock in your moveset? |
So my Finished Product would be:
[email protected] Ball EV's 252 Def/ 252 HP/ 4Atk Nature: Relaxed Ability: Sturdy -Stone Edge -Stealth Rock -Gyro Ball -EQ |
Honestly, I don't think it's a great stealthshuffler, but it's better than some, definately.
EDIT: Just saw your post, everything looks fine. |
ok thank you guys alot!well what do I need for my team now?
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I prefer Rhyperior because of avalanch. But that's just me.
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I guess it slipped off my mind, but of course you have Weezing, who is indeed a good Physical Wall. Not only it will take physical hits, but it can debilitate Physical Sweepers (Will-o-Wisp) if they don't have an Aromatherapist.
From what I've gathered Weezing is generally preferred to Steelix as a Physical Wall. My advice, just pick the goddamn Pokemon you like better for some reason, then work out the best possible setup for them, at least it's what I do. But then again, my ideas would quickly pull you down to BL/UU, so I'll STFU. In good faith, F |
what is UU?filler filler filler
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BL is borderline, OU is overused, just in case ya didn't know.
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Probopass seems pretty solid, with good in BOTH defensive stats. I have been planning on using one, but havent really jumped into it. He could work. Oh, and Anti-Pop, Blissey is, yes, amazing, but a special wall, not physichal. Good point though.
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I meant for his special wall, he has snorlax, who's outclassed by blissey as a special wall. But, yeah, probopass is a good option. It creeps me out, but it's a good option.
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Oh, I know moustahces on females, ugh.... He could sue MAgnet Rise to avoid Earthquake, but Im not really sure on his best strategy. He should probably use Discharge, looks like an awesome move for him type/stats.
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Most sweepers carry around a fighting move or two, Probopass is obliterated by a Brick Breaking Weavile from 4x weakness
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Possibilities:
Blastoise @ Leftovers Bold Nature - Protect / Haze - Rapid Spin - Surf - Ice Beam / Hidden Power Ground Weavile @ ? (Life Orb?) Jolly Nature - Swords Dance - Ice Punch - Night Slash - Brick Break / Substitute / Aerial Ace EDIT: Wrong TOPIC <.< |
Ok soo are you saying you think that I should Get a Mixed Wall?Or just a Good poke?
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Hmm, well a good mixed wall would be beneficial for this team. You already have a special wall, a mixed could help benefit greatly.
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Agreed, but I wouldn't make it have a fighting weakness (except steelix cuz it can take those hits). even with steelix, you don't want those kind of weaknesses.
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well Steelix Is my Physical Wall Sooo What pokemon do you think Should be my Mixed Wall?
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You don't need a mixed wall, I'd recommend a tank. A mixed wall would be fine, but I like rhyperior...minus the design...as a physical tank. Swampert is also good.
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So You Are Saying Rhyperior or Swampy?I love Rhyperoir I wanted to encorperate him into my team somewhere
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I'd actually recommend swampert, as ryperior would add far more weaknesses than it would solve.
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Ok what evs!I guess umm this is my set(I know its very bad but...)
[email protected] Impish?? Torrent 252 Def/ 158 Atk/ 100 HP??? -Waterfall -EQ -Curse -Hammer Arm ok I know it sucks but it is the best I can do sooo yeah!does anybody have a list of what the good new items are and what they do?? |
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Flamethrower Thunderbolt Ice Beam Earthquake Max out the attack and the defense on rypherior, and the FT, IB, TB will cover many types. throw in earthquake ad ever type is effected by a super effective attack except psychic, fighting, dark, and ghost. |
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Yea but you ever looked at his Sp.Atk stat?it aint' nothin' to marvel over!
EDIT:Listen to Anti-Pop Culture Warrior13 its base Sp.Atk is a sad:55 |
55...torterra's speed. So yeah, maybe the elemental punches, but NOT boltbeam and Fthrower.
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That is like one of the lowest base stats in D/P
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Have you ever thought of Tangrowth?
Hes an awesome gyrados couter... I use him and he seems to do well. |
eh maybe I dunno filler filler
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ok. i'm not smart as i see so whats the the best moveset for rypherior. try frosslass.
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Froslass isn't that great...at all IMO. Froslass can't wall anything, that's why we're in search of a tank. I still say swampert.
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Well I don't know but I had
Megahorn EQ Stone Edge Hammer Arm that was ingame a long time ago my cousins was Fire Punch EQ Ice Punch Megahorn EDIT:well when you get a chance can you post a moveset for Swampy mine is abouve |
Rhyperior NEEDS: EQ, Stone Edge
WANTS: Megahorn, avalanche COULD USE: other common phys. attacks like the elem. punches. I'd use those first four. |
Mine would Probably be
EQ Stone Edge Avalanche Megahorn if I made one now! |
Good, now, EVs and nature. I'd say adamant, impish, brave, or relaxed. W/e you want. It doesn't need speed, so no worries there.
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Anti Pop Cutlure Warrior 13: I thought you couldn't talk now =P
anyway can shuckle learn a move to keep blissey in battle? like can't escape move? that could be nice. what about staraptor. frosslass is actually great. its my bros star pokemon maxxed out sp. atk and speed. i forget the moves, but i think its one psyhical move, and i know it has toxic. his record is 39-4. its only been knocked out 4 times i watch all his battles. oh i know, its ice beam! here it is: [email protected] Item Destiny Bond Ice Beam Toxic Substitute If its fire or metal type, he just destny bond's it. anything else, he'll substitute then toxic it and if its still in substitute, ice beam. he'll only switch out to blissey and sometimes gengar. he uses it very good. |
About shuckle, seismic toss/ice beam from bliss wears it down, so bliss beats it head-to-head anyways, not to mention healing the group. For froslass, it's a she BTW. IT doesn't wall much though, just brings down one poke. That's not really a wall or a tank.
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he doesn't want it to be a wall or tank. he likes the 16 hard evoultion pokemon to use. wait i'm lost. oh well, its great in battle.
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Once again Bronzong.
Base Stats: 67 89 116 79 116 33 [email protected] Ability: Levitate Relaxed Nature (+Def,-Spd) 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 SDef -Gyro Ball -Earthquake -Trick Room -Hypnosis Only weak to fire. Immune to Ground and Poison. Resistant to Normal, Grass , Ice , Flying, Psychic, Rock, Dragon and Steel. What more can you ask for? Try to get zero IVs in Speed too which would give you 63 speed at level 100. Then Gyro Ball is just godly. Their is also Spiritomb. |
How'd I forget bronzong? That's a worthy poke. He is indeed looking for a tank BTW.
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yeah try spiritomb. medium fast on the exp. points and try to ev in it attack 7 defense or sp.atk & sp.def depending on your moveset. 311 is max attack & sp.atk & 346 on max def. and sp.def.
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If your using a Physical Bronzong, Heatproof is best in my opinion because Special Ground type moves arent very common |
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It is up to preference really. |
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Well for Tanking, Tangrowth is amazing. Steelix and Bronzong are probabley better choices for you though, at the moment you need walls. But if your still interested I highly suggest you check out Tangrowth. I'm not to experienced with conducting a movepool for her though. Just make sure to keep here away from special sweepers. |
Yes I wanted to use a Mixedmence but no one would post a full moveset!Also I have Decided on Swampy for a Tank sooo could Someone Post A Moveset?
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Yay! Swampy, one of my favs. Here ya go:
[email protected] Relaxed Nature EVs: 252 Attack, rest in defenses and HP ~Curse ~EQ ~Avalanche ~Rest/Waterfall I'm bad with EVs for Swampy, but the moveset I'm pretty sure of. Stone edge is another option I forgot to put in there in that last slot. |
Id Go 252 Atk/ 158 Def/ 100 HP for the EV's I think but yeah!Well Can Someone Post A full Moveset of a Mixedmence?with EV's Nature and All?Also Thank you Anti-Pop Culture Warrior13 for all the help!
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Here's mixedmence, or my set at least:
[email protected] Orb Hasty Nature (i think, maybe naive) EVs: 252 Speed, 132 Special Attack, 126 Attack ~Dragon Claw ~HP Flying ~EQ/Stone Edge ~Flamethrower Yeah, obviously for 4th gen. I believe there is another mixedmence set, but that's the one mence set I'm not a master at. I know the EVs are good though. EDIT: Forgot about Dragon Dance, which is common on mixedmence. My set probably isn't the standard. |
Thanks ummm I know this is a n00bish question but how do you get certain HP types?Also I would want to put DD in there somewhere.
EDIT:these are the moves I was thinking of running Dragon Dance Dragon Claw Flamethrower EQ/Stone Edge |
Okay, here's my DDmixmence:
Same as last time... ~Dragon Dance ~Dragon Claw/EQ ~Flamethrower ~any attacking move really... The purpose is to use DD, and the opponent will switch into the physical wall, let's say skarmory. Use flamethrower on the turn they switch out (which is very predictable) and bye-bye steelix/Skarmory/forretress. Simple prediction really. |
Plus then they send in a special wall and a DD'd EQ/Dragon Claw wipes them out!So Mixedmence is all about confusing your foes.In the Last Slot I would Add....Either Dragon Claw(if not used abouve)or Stone Edge/EQ(if not used abouve)
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I'd use EQ and Dragon Claw both, with fthrower and DD.
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Ok sooo
[email protected] Orb 108 Atk/ 150Sp.atk/ 252 Spd Nature: Hasty Ability: Intimidate -Flamethrower -DD -Dragon Claw -EQ hows that? |
Ok sooo
[email protected] Orb 108 Atk/ 150Sp.atk/ 252 Spd Nature: Hasty Ability: Intimidate -Flamethrower -DD -Dragon Claw -EQ hows that? |
You posted it twice, just so you know. It's fine, but since you have attack EVs and DD, modest/timid wouldn't be too bad either if you hate subtracting defenses.
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Ok sooo
[email protected] Orb 108 Atk/ 150Sp.atk/ 252 Spd Nature: Modest Ability: Intimidate -Flamethrower -DD -Dragon Claw -EQ hows that? Modest to take care of most Steel types! |
Looks good. Not much else to say. Could use a second opinion though.
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Ok(did you see my new avvy?)well if anybody else comes in then then I hope they give us a second opinion!
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Well
EQ DD Dragon Claw Flametrhower is the movepool I originally posted in the other thread so I'm going to stand by it. And ya I'd say go Modest, you want flamethrower ot pack a punch and DD will make up for whatever attack points your losing hopefully. So I basically back you both up. I'm not really good with Swampert so I'm just going to leave the moveset Anti.... posted.(I still think Tangrowth deserves some consideration) |
Tangrowth is a very good pokemon, but I think his mind has been made up. I agree though.
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Well do you think I should go with Tang?
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Yeah, you could go with this set
Tangrowth-Leftovers/Heat Rock Bold-252 Defense, 152 HP, 104 Special Attack Substitue LEech Seed Sunny Day AQncient Power I dont really know, made up on the spot. |
What Excactly does Heat Rock do?
and that set looks kinda flawed. |
I personally think this works better:
Tangrowth @ Leftovers Impish Nature EVs: 252 HP / 225 Def / 31 Spd - Leech Seed - Power Whip - Knock Off - Sleep Powder Quote:
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Well do I use it over Swampy??or does swampy cover my team better??Im confused!
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I think swampy would be better since you have steelix as your physical wall.
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WOA!!how'd he get Booted out??and ok.thanx
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idk. probably on a different thread or something the mods delete those. its happened to me before. but anyway back on topic:
why don't you try duskinoir. |
can you ever come back after getting booted out?and also I think that I am going to go with Swampy!
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no you would have to make a new profile. like i said try duskinoir with this moveset:
Will-O-Wisp Shadow Sneak Pain Split Substitiute since duskinoir has high defense & sp.def, use substitute. it will take a couple of turns to get you out of that. then in the mean time, pain split to get your hp up a little bit, then toxic or will-o-wisp to give it that sp. condidition. then switch out. btw shadow sneak is good for a pokemon that is weak to duskinoir and it goes first. |
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His low HP makes Substitute more of a risk than a blessing sometimes. And When your banded I believe its oringinally a couple weeks or a month. |
Yeah like I said I want to go with Swampy sooo yeah!Also Who Should be my lead?Maybe Weavile or Gengar?
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Gengar! i use him on my team. his high special attack works good in with the speed. why don't you play shoddy battle? that helps. its just like pokemon netbattle except its all d/p pokemon and animations (other egion pokemon also). its fun!
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I do!I like Shoddy I like the format of netbattle more but I like the pokemon way better on shoddy!
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No, it's not best to use Gengar as your lead. Never lead with something that's slower than Weavile and is weak to Pursuit.
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my name is Blazikendude!Also what moveset would you suggest as a moveset for Gliscor and Gallade(one of my new favorite pokemon!)?
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Gallade
Adamant Leaf Blade Swords Dance Psycho Cut Close Combat Or (my favourite) Gallade Careful Will "O" Wisp Psycho Cut Close Combat Swords Dance I prefer using Gallade as a pokemon that can take hits just as well as dealing them out. (why don't people reply to my threads like this:'( ) |
Gliscor @ Leftovers
Impish Nature EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 Atk - Roost - Knock Off / Stealth Rock - Earthquake - Stone Edge / Aerial Ace Makes a great Heracross counter and supporter. |
Have you considerer Umbreon? She has a max of 394 life, 350 def and 394 of SpDef. Only weak against bug and fighting.
her moveset would be: Toxic Mean look Moonlight Baton Pass |
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If you do decide on Umbreon here is an alternate moveset. -Wish/Moonlight -Mean Look -Baton Pass -Toxic/Curse/Taunt/Yawn/etc... |
ok, i finally thought of a great moveset for shuckle that i got in a trade today (sure its been used already).
gyro ball+power trick=one of the greatest pokemon you will ever see. we all know shuckle has horrible attack & speed, but gyro ball and bad speed can do a little damage. unfortunately, it could do more with power trick. a nasty little move that switches attack & defense, now your shuckle will have the best attack you might ever see on a pokemon. plus gyro ball=wiping the floor. unfortunately, this does limits shuckle time in battle a little. plus throw in toxic, rest and a chesto berry will make shuckle last a while. |
No its not the best pokemon. One slow sweeper, any physical attacker blows shuckle away.
This is the best sweeping shuckle: Trick Room + Power Trick = Greatest physical sweeper ever! |
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Its bad and too risky to do that! |
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eh but if you use power trick alone then you got yourself one dead shuckle!but eh maybe
-Gyro Ball -Power Trick -Trick Room -Toxic First Turn TTar uses DD Shuckle uses Trick room Second Turn Shuckle uses Toxic TTar uses EQ Third Turn Shuckle uses Power Trick TTar Uses DD Fourth Turn Shuckle uses Gyro Ball TTar Faints Winner:Shuckle I know that was not really to accurate but.. |
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