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Need help with sub punching gengar and others.
I need a good set for a sub punching gengar so far I got this:
[email protected] ??? lonley nature (no + or -) 252 speed 152 attack 50 sp. atk -thunderbolt -hypnosis -focus punch -subsitute Donphan @ Choice scarf? ??? nature ??? EV's -ice shard -rapid spin - ??? - ??? Garchomp jolly nature 252 attack 252 speed 4 hp - fire fang - crunch - earthquake - dragon claw Raichu hardy nature (preset) 152 sp. atk 50 attack 252 speed - surf - thunder bolt - volt tackle - ??? thanks for the help, might add more pokemon later |
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Changes are in Bold, but not sure about some of the EVS. |
well thanks for the help but gengar needs hypnosis for extra time to use focus punch, and garchomp needs to remain jolly for speed, fire fang does the same thing fire blast does, and fire blast isn't very accurate, I might add swords dance though. I was thinking focus blast was a bad idea with it having 70 acc, too much of a risk.
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Jolly for speed ok, but which is Why i suggested Naive and Hasty nature which are + Speed - Sp.Def and + Speed - Def respectively, to make it a mixed sweeper so thas why Fire Blast OR Flamethrower (If you want Accuracy) can be put on there, as Fire Fang will do Squat to Skarmory. and IMO you need a better nature for Raichu, i know its great to have Surf on it, but a normal one with : [email protected] Focus Sash Timid/Modest Nature 252 Speed 252 SP.Att 6 Hp - ThunderBolt - Grass Knot - HP Ice/Focus Blast/Thunderwave - Nasty Plot does the Job better. |
Two questions:
1)Where is Focus Sash located, & 2)That is my exact Raichu, though Timid is best for Nasy Plot. Modest is 10% too slow. Well, the 2nd one wasn't really a question... |
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2. Yep hes right Timid is the best nature for it with Nasty Plot. |
okay thanks for help then, anybody else want to comment on the whole team?
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If you have a Surfing Raichu, and feel set on Surf, then Grass Knot can be replaced for Surf.
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okay, but I really need help on the other pokemon, I won't be using raichu that much.
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I also found the Ev Spead for Donphan on Smogon for you. nature: Impish evs: 252 HP / 6 Atk / 252 Def |
thanks. i'm just going to go look around mewtwo acadamy for the other stuff.
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i personally prefer Modest since everything that is a threat to raichu outruns it anyway and will survive by means of focus sash, not speed. i also like thunderwave to cripple pokes with inevitable Choice Scarf. Hasty on Garchomp is preferred because it makes its defense and sp defense almost equivalent at level 100. give it yache berry to take ice attacks so that it perform 2 swords dances and sweep. i would also give garchomp some sp attack evs so that it can potential harm anything that isn't prepared to take special attacks. after 2 swords dances, its attack will be high enough. for gengar, give it at least 204 ATK evs. it won't 2HKO Blissey with focus punch without that many atk evs, and in all reality, SubPunching gar does not need that many speed evs this generation. you can focus on atk, some special attack, and about 116-180 speed evs and it will perform very well. hypnosis isn't necesarry, because as previously mentioned, substitute protects gar from further damage or infliction. but hey, if you feel confident on Hypnosis, maybe it'd be a nice change of strategy and would surprise many. problem is that with just Thunderbolt + Focus Punch for damage, gengar doesn't stand a chance against pokes like Hypno or physical walling ground types like Claydol, Donphan, and Gliscor. with sleep clause, making this Gengar work is tough. |
okay, but is ice punch an egg move only? I already started EV training one I caught at the old chateau since it's faster then EV training.
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Do you really think a Gastly can punch anything?
But no, you get it from the move tutor in emerald. |
oh, I don't even have emerald =[
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lol Gastly can Punch things look http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/092.shtml then Scroll right down to the bottom where it says egg moves. |
ok I belive I have a dusclops to breed him with.
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armless cloud of toxins!! release a cold chill from your fists??!!
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I know, but apparantly it can , according to serebii.net on Gastlys Egg moves |
I hate physical Gengar, why would you SubPunch it?
Gastly can punch with its head if you haven't noticed. |
because, sleep + subs + focus punch = ownage.
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Shadowball does more damage than SubPunching, and that only leaves 2 attacking move and one is physical... :/
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and Gastly punch with its head ??!! XD Not one of Game Freaks better ideas, when Gyarados cant learn any flying moves =P but, oh well im not complaining at least you dont have to get those moves from emerald onto Gengar etc. |
Yea, and even wierder, Mew can learn Steel Wing... 0.0
I wish I could do that. Well Gengar's arms are still tiny(Haunter has no arms but 2 hands 0.0) and probably can't pull off a physical move. I hate this MCIceGar erm... w/e |
Ohhh, THIS thread. Alright, my suggestions in BOLD
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