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luke September 3rd, 2007 8:16 AM

Sand Streamers
 
I know... I know... Tyranitar is all over the place. I DON'T like that TyraniBOAH or whatever its called, so please don't suggest it. Tyranitar COULD be replaced with Hippowdon. It's mainly on the team for Sandstorm support. So far, this is what I have:

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Nature: Adamant
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP, 172 Attack, 84 Defense

Rock Slide
Crunch
Focus Punch
Substitute

I know. This one is kind of weird and unique. But does that mean its ineffective?

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Nature: Adamant
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 200 HP, 156 Attack, 152 Defense

Earthquake
Ice Fang
Slack Off
Curse

I love the hippo. Help me!

Azonic September 3rd, 2007 8:21 AM

I hate SubPunchers :(

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Trait: o idk, water veil?
Nature: Adamant
Evs: 252 ATK/172 HP/ 80 DEF

Avalanche
Stone Edge
Earthquake
Crunch

luke September 3rd, 2007 9:03 AM

How does my Hippowdon look? Is that an applicable move set for it?

Towlie September 3rd, 2007 9:10 AM

Hippowdon needs Leftovers. He's not as much an attacker as he is a physical wall. Your moveset is fine, but your EVs and nature are mixed up. Impish Nature on it, with 252 Hp, 252 Def, 4 Atk works fine.

Jimmyray September 3rd, 2007 9:13 AM

I reckon Thunder fang over Ice fang for Hippowdon, as you will probably get more water types attacking Hippowdon than you will grass types.

Samson September 3rd, 2007 10:39 AM

subpunching ttar is popular, but it is usually mixed, and known as tyraniboah XDD:

Tyranitar @ Life Orb/Expert Belt/Leftovers/Lum Berry
Rash Nature (+Sp Atk, -Sp Def)
240 SP ATK/64 ATK/204 SPD or HP
-Dark Pulse
-Flamethrower/Thunderbolt
-Focus Punch
-Substitute

having focus punch w/o special options is a really bad idea. ttar will get walled and you will hate yourself for it. dark + fire + fighting covers everything.

if you want it to be just physical and actually do physical SWEEPING, then here's what i suggest:

Tyranitar @ Chople Berry
Impish Nature
192 HP/172 DEF/144 SPD
-Crunch
-Fire Fang
-Dragon Dance
-Taunt

even this physical setup isn't safe. fire fang can miss and is very weak in power. only reason why i suggest it is because it covers everything except heatran, who might not do much to you with Earth Power anyway. ttar needs at least 3 dragon dances to take on walls like Hippo and Gliscor. i don't like this moveset myself, but it's the only strictly physical moveset that works that isn't Choice Banded.

so my suggestion: go mixed, or go Choice Band.

for Hippo, i suggest the following:

Hippowdon @ Leftovers/Enigma Berry/Lum Berry
Careful/Sassy Nature
200 HP/188 SP DEF/96 DEF/24 ATK
-Earthquake
-Ice Fang
-Curse/Stealth Rock
-Slack Off

stalls with curse + slack off. very efficient. once it is done with its stalling (hopefully you don't get any critical hits), after 3 or so curses, it sweeps.

luke September 3rd, 2007 10:41 AM

Samson, can I say I'm in love with you. XD Just kidding. Thanks though. On Tyraniboah, can I replace Dark Pulse with Crunch? Or is that a no-no?

Samson September 3rd, 2007 10:49 AM

you can but i wouldn't suggest it. with that ev setup, its Atk and Sp Atk stats are almost identical. it's really just a matter of what you prefer. thing is Dark Pulse does more damage to physical walls like Gliscor because of STAB. on the other hand, Crunch does more damage to Gengar and the like.

luke September 3rd, 2007 10:55 AM

Whose more prominent? Gliscor or Gengar? From what I understand, Gengar is one of the more common Special Sweepers right. Oops, my inexperience is showing. *pulls up zipper*

Samson September 3rd, 2007 10:59 AM

gengar is way more prominent as a starter with hypnosis, so either way, it doesn't really matter. it's really just about who threatens your team more: special-oriented pokes with higher lower defense, or physical pokes with lower special defense.

or hell, if you have a reason to like one's battle animation better than the others, then that's reason enough to choose it XD

luke September 3rd, 2007 11:00 AM

Well, I do love the sound effect when Dark Pulse is used.... hmm. Well, now I got to get me some Dittos and such for my team. My team is finally coming together. I'm so happy.


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