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Prince of Desert September 3rd, 2007 12:24 PM

RMT competitive
 
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*Mixed Sweeper*
Electivire @Life Orb
Ability: Motor Drive
Nature: Hasty
Evs: 252Atk//176spd//80SAtk
- Thunder Bolt
- Ice Punch
- Earthquake
- Cross Chop

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*Choice Bander*
Arcanine @Choice Band
Ability: Intimidate
Nature: Jolly
Evs: 252Atk//252spd//6HP
- Flare Blitz
- Extremespeed
- Crunch
- Thunder Fang

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*Special Sweeper//Rapid Spinner*
Starmie @Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
Nature: Modest
Evs: 236SAtk//56HP//216Spd
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Thunder Bolt
- Rapid Spin

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*Special Sweeper//Special Sponge*
Togekiss @
Ability: Serene Grace
Nature: Calm//Timid
Evs: 252SAtk//140HP//112SDef//6spd
- Air Slash
- Grass Knot
- Thunder Wave
- Roost

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*Tank*
Dusknoir @Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
Nature: Careful
Evs: 252Hp//140SDef//112Atk//6Def
- Ice Punch
- Will-o-wisp
- Pain Split
- Shadow Sneak

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*Physical Sweeper//DDancer*
Dragonite @Leftovers
Evs:252Atk//252spd//6Hp
Ability: Inner Focus
Nature: Adamant
- Outrage
- Earthquake
- Thunder Punch
- Dragon Dance

I'm not sure for the Togekiss's evs, nature and moveset tho. I needed a special sponge and I am lacking of special sweeper so Togekiss was the perfect choice. Grass Knot is for my Swampert weakness, Air Slash 'cause it's STAB and will flinch the opponent's pokemon alot but for the two other moves, I'm not sure. I need help on that one.

ShadowGengar September 3rd, 2007 12:35 PM

T-Wave will slow down opponent so good on togekiss, but the Roost is a big no no, I think Tri-Attack and the [email protected] Specs

Prince of Desert September 3rd, 2007 12:39 PM

-Okay. so Thunder Wave is good.
-Since Togekiss is my only special sponge, I wanted him to last longer so that's why I putted Roost.
-Tri-Attack would be good too since it get STAB.
- Meh, I don't think that Togekiss is fast enough to sweep like any other Spec-ers and also, I don't want him to be an all-out special sweeper but a special sponge too.

Super Puppy September 3rd, 2007 12:53 PM

... I'm a little confused as to how it's a Special Sweeper when it has Physical EVs and knows Physical attacks.

Prince of Desert September 3rd, 2007 1:30 PM

Air Slash and Grass Knot are Special and Togekiss has 252SAtk evs.

Iceman3k September 3rd, 2007 1:50 PM

Is there a reason why people use fancy text for the sake of annoyance?
Quote:

Originally Posted by Prince of Desert (Post 2846910)
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*Mixed Sweeper*
Electivire @ Life Orb
Ability: Motor Drive
Nature: Naughty
Evs: 252Atk/176spd/80SAtk
- Thunder Bolt
- Ice Punch
- Earthquake / Fire Punch
- Cross Chop / Fire Punch

Fire Punch because Forretress.
And Arcanine is not a valid counter because he can't TRAP Forretress and OHKO him.


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*Choice Bander*
Arcanine @Choice Band
Ability: Intimidate
Nature: Jolly
Evs: 252Atk//252spd//6HP
- Flare Blitz
- Extremespeed
- Crunch
- Thunder Fang

Workable.

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*Special Sweeper//Rapid Spinner*
Starmie @Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
Nature: Modest
Evs: 236SAtk//56HP//216Spd
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Thunder Bolt
- Rapid Spin

Again, looks decent.

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*Special Sweeper//Special Sponge*
Togekiss @
Ability: Serene Grace
Nature: Calm//Timid
Evs: 252SAtk//140HP//112SDef//6spd
- Air Slash
- Grass Knot
- Thunder Wave
- Roost

With Togekiss being weak against the MOST COMMON kind of Special Attacks out there, there's no way that it could pull a job of a Special Tank.
Quite honestly, you should pick something else.


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*Tank*
Dusknoir @Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
Nature: Careful
Evs: 252Hp//140SDef//112Atk//6Def
- Ice Punch / Focus Punch
- Will-o-wisp
- Pain Split
- Shadow Sneak

Yeah sure whatever

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*Physical Sweeper//DDancer*
Dragonite @Leftovers
Evs:252Atk//176spd//80Hp
Ability: Inner Focus
Nature: Adamant
- Outrage
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Dragon Dance

I'm not sure for the Togekiss's evs, nature and moveset tho. I needed a special sponge and I am lacking of special sweeper so Togekiss was the perfect choice. Grass Knot is for my Swampert weakness, Air Slash 'cause it's STAB and will flinch the opponent's pokemon alot but for the two other moves, I'm not sure. I need help on that one.

Huge glaring DDTar weakness. Fix it, and I mean quick.

Azonic September 3rd, 2007 2:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prince of Desert (Post 2846910)
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*Mixed Sweeper*
Electivire @Life Orb
Ability: Motor Drive
Nature: Jolly
Evs: 252 ATK/252 SPEED/4 HP
- Thunderpunch
- Ice Punch
- Earthquake
- Cross Chop
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*Special Sweeper//Rapid Spinner*
Starmie @Choice Specs
Ability: Natural Cure
Nature: Timid
Evs: 252 SATK/252 SPEED/4 HP
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Thunder Bolt
- Psychic
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*Special Sweeper//Special Sponge*
Togekiss @
Ability: Serene Grace
Nature: Timid
Evs: 252 SATK/172 SDEF/80 SPEED
- Air Slash
- Aura Sphere
- Thunder Wave
- Roost
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*Tank*
Dusknoir @Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
Nature: Careful
Evs: 252 DEF/172 DEF/80 ATK
- Thunderpunch
- Will-o-wisp
- Pain Split
- Shadow Sneak/Shadowpunch
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*Physical Sweeper//DDancer*
Dragonite @Choice Scarf
Evs:252Atk//252spd//6Hp
Ability: Inner Focus
Nature: Adamant
- Outrage
- Earthquake
- Thunder Punch
- Stone Edge/Ice Punch

I'm not sure for the Togekiss's evs, nature and moveset tho. I needed a special sponge and I am lacking of special sweeper so Togekiss was the perfect choice. Grass Knot is for my Swampert weakness, Air Slash 'cause it's STAB and will flinch the opponent's pokemon alot but for the two other moves, I'm not sure. I need help on that one.

Okey, those movesets should work for yas

Prince of Desert September 3rd, 2007 4:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman3k (Post 2847251)
Huge glaring DDTar weakness. Fix it, and I mean quick.

Cross Chop Earthquake, Ice Punch, Surf, Ice Beam are all move that can take out Tyranitar even after one DDance.

Togekiss can be good as a special sponge even if he is weak against Ice and electric, these are the only two ''common weakness'' he has.
Gardevoir is a good option but the reason why I want Togekiss is because he can OHKO Foretress with Air Slash and Swampert with Energy Ball(I think) which are the weak spot of my team.

@Penguinpal6
-Electivire: I need a SkarmBliss counter, that's why T-Bolt is here.
-Starmie: Psychic has poor type coverage and I need a Rapid Spiner since 3 of my pokemons are weak against Stealth Rock
-Togekiss: Aura Sphere for?
-Dusknoir: I already have 4 electric moves (excluding T-Wave) in my team, I don't need another one on Dusknoir. Shadow Sneak helps me kill Zam.
-Dragonite: Stone Edge could be a good option but why Ice Punch?

Azonic September 3rd, 2007 4:15 PM

No, Iceman is right. DDtar or any kind of Tyranitar can take this whole team out(well most of it)

And Tyranitar might have Speed passed.

Icebeam and Icepunch is not supereffective on Tyranitar.

Surf is your only hope

Ttar can withstand EQ by a 2-3 HKO.

You can't just have moves that counter your weaknesses, but pokemon types that can counter as well.

Prince of Desert September 3rd, 2007 4:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Penguinpal6 (Post 2848072)
No, Iceman is right. DDtar or any kind of Tyranitar can take this whole team out(well most of it)

And Tyranitar might have Speed passed.

Icebeam and Icepunch is not supereffective on Tyranitar.

Surf is your only hope

Ttar can withstand EQ by a 2-3 HKO.

You can't just have moves that counter your weaknesses, but pokemon types that can counter as well.

I think a Cross Chop from a Vire can OHKO or 2HKO a DDancerTTar

luke September 3rd, 2007 4:30 PM

Cross Chop is very inaccurate and a good chunk of Tyranitars possess Earthquake on their move sets. And Earthquake + Tyranitar's Attack = KO'd Electivire.

Prince of Desert September 3rd, 2007 4:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Porygon-Z (Post 2848133)
Cross Chop is almost very inaccurate and a good chunk of Tyranitars possess Earthquake on their move sets. And Earthquake + Tyranitar's Attack = KO'd Electivire.

I know that but if Cross Chop hit TTar.
And I don't think that TTar will outspeed Vire.

Iceman3k September 3rd, 2007 5:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prince of Desert (Post 2848033)
Cross Chop Earthquake, Ice Punch, Surf, Ice Beam are all move that can take out Tyranitar even after one DDance.
Ice Punch and Ice Beam are NOT Super Effective against Tyranitar, therefore, they do jack **** to it.

Electivire is NOT going to switch in on a Tyranitar that already has 1 Dragon Dance on his belt.

Sandstorm raises a Rock Type's SDef by 1.5x, therefore Tyranitar can take a Surf and STILL get in a Free Dragon Dance, thus putting you into a lot more trouble.



Togekiss can be good as a special sponge even if he is weak against Ice and electric, these are the only two ''common weakness'' he has.
Even according to your own EVs, Togekiss still falls prey to a Gengar, or for that matter, anything with over 349 Sp. Atk within 2 hits. And with the amount of Gengars and PorygonZs that are floating around, then trying to use Togekiss is meaningless. Unless, of course, you ran with Max HP AND Max Sp. Def, then you'd probably get at least half-way somewhere.

And trust me, everyone will be anticipating a Thunder Wave from Togekiss, and all they have to do is switch to something that takes Status.



Gardevoir is a good option but the reason why I want Togekiss is because he can OHKO Foretress with Air Slash and Swampert with Energy Ball(I think) which are the weak spot of my team.
The most you'll be getting against a Forretress with Air Slash is around 60% Damage, and then you'll be suffering a severe blow from a Gyro Ball.
Swampert laughs at just about every un-STABed Grass Attack, and can still live and launch a Mirror Coat.

EDIT: Had to fix up the post a little bit, it wasn't in a quote tag

Prince of Desert September 4th, 2007 12:09 PM

What about Aura Sphere on my Togekiss for my Ttar weakness?

Iceman3k September 4th, 2007 9:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prince of Desert (Post 2850595)
What about Aura Sphere on my Togekiss for my Ttar weakness?

It's useable, but you'd have to pray for a Miracle that Togekiss would be able to drop Tyranitar in one blow.

Prince of Desert September 5th, 2007 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman3k (Post 2852033)
It's useable, but you'd have to pray for a Miracle that Togekiss would be able to drop Tyranitar in one blow.

Togekiss's special attack is not bad. 120 base is kinda good, no?

Samson September 5th, 2007 11:48 AM

yes, 120 is awesome but it won't ohko Ttar anyway. Ttar gets a 50% sp def boost for sandstream, and even Modest max sp attack Togekiss wouldn't OHKO Ttar (unless it has choice specs, of course). modest kiss would do like 80-95% damage to TTar. now imagine if TTar used Dragon Dance on the turn Togekiss comes in. OHKO town.

Prince of Desert September 5th, 2007 3:28 PM

If I put Choice Specs and let him have modest nature, it won't be a special sponge anymore but a special sweeper.
And how can Swampert resist a grass knot from a 120 base spacial attack pokemon?
I want my Togekiss to sponge, sweep and negate any weaknesses. Is this possible?

Iceman3k September 5th, 2007 3:52 PM

Quote:

And how can Swampert resist a grass knot from a 120 base spacial attack pokemon?
The same way Swampert can resist a Hidden Power (Grass) From Zapdos with a Modest Nature and kick back a Mirror Coat.

Samson September 5th, 2007 4:20 PM

also, swampert actually isn't THAT heavy. it's almost as heavy as Starmie... i was surprised to discover this when i did.

Prince of Desert September 6th, 2007 1:00 PM

It's still a 320 base power Grass Knot from a 120 special attack pokemon and a 480 base power Cross Chop on Tyranitar since its 4x weakness. Wouldn't that kill them?


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