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BlueLucario September 10th, 2007 1:59 PM

Can You guys help me. Do you think I need a physical sweeper?
 
Lucario lvl 52. I guess Special Attack and speed.
Lonely Nature

-AuraSphere
-DarkPulse
-DragonPulse
-CalmMind

Ampharos lvl 53 Special Attack and physical defense
Careful Nature

-Thunder
-ChargeBeam
-LightScreen
-Discharge




Infernape lvl 53
Docile Nature---> Attack and Special Attack.
-FlameThrower
-CloseCombat
-Flamewheel
-MachPunch



Roserade lvl 54
Mild Nature--Speed and Sp. Attack

-PetalDance
-MagicalLeaf
-Toxic
-WeatherBall

Gastrodon lvl 54-->Spf Defense, SP Attack and speed.
Gentle Nature

-RainDance
-Surf
-Earthquake
-Recover

Flygon lvl 55----->Physical attack, Physical defense, and speed.
Naive Nature

-DragonClaw
-Dragonbreath---->Earthquake
-Fly
-Screech


I came up with strategies for double battles in competitive play.I don't have wi-fi but i hope to get it soon.

First 2 pokemon. Gastrodon and Ampharos
->Gastrodon uses RainDance
->Ampharos uses light screen
->Gastrodon uses surf(It wont do much dmg to ampharos anyway)
->Ampharos uses ChargeBeam until Sp Atk increases 2-3x.
->Ampharos uses Thunder. Selected pokemon faints.
Or.
Ampharos uses Discharge. Gastrodon is unaffected.

Ampharos dies.

->Sent out Flygon
-> Flygon uses Fly
->Gastrodon uses surf

or

Flygon uses screech
Gastrodon uses earthquake.



What you think. Any1 know how to EV or IV train my pokemon. i read guides but I can't understand what is being said.

Thank alot!

Anti September 10th, 2007 2:16 PM

Your goals are totally unrealistic. Amphy and Gastrodon can't last 6 turns, ask anybody. All your team is, is sweepers. It really doesn't revolve around any strategy. I suggest reading some team building guides so you can incorperate, walls, tanks, BPers, and other roles into your team.

BlueLucario September 10th, 2007 2:27 PM

I did want to make a build, I was thinking more of moveset strategies, since I'm so good at it. ^_^ As expected not good strategies arent they, considering i havent been competetive battling before, except in pokemon sapphire. Can any1 show me how EV's IV's and EQ's work? I read guides, but i dont get what they are saying. I jjust wanna know how to use my stat calc i just got.

I want to increase Gastrodon's Speed and Special Defense
Ampharos's speed and physical defense
Lucario's Defense and Special Defense.
Flygon's Attack and physical defense
Roserade's Special attack and Physical Defense.

This may sound unlrealistic as well, but according to some guys they said its possible.

i'm not very good. I thought strategy is what counts.

Sora_8920 September 10th, 2007 2:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueLucario (Post 2872542)
I did want to make a build, I was thinking more of moveset strategies, since I'm so good at it. ^_^ As expected not good strategies arent they, considering i havent been competetive battling before, except in pokemon sapphire. Can any1 show me how EV's IV's and EQ's work? I read guides, but i dont get what they are saying. I jjust wanna know how to use my stat calc i just got.

I want to increase Gastrodon's Speed and Special Defense
Ampharos's speed and physical defense
Lucario's Defense and Special Defense.
Flygon's Attack and physical defense
Roserade's Special attack and Physical Defense.

This may sound unlrealistic as well, but according to some guys they said its possible.

http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=88965

Anti September 10th, 2007 2:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueLucario (Post 2872542)
I did want to make a build, I was thinking more of moveset strategies, since I'm so good at it. ^_^ As expected not good strategies arent they, considering i havent been competetive battling before, except in pokemon sapphire. Can any1 show me how EV's IV's and EQ's work? I read guides, but i dont get what they are saying. I jjust wanna know how to use my stat calc i just got.

I want to increase Gastrodon's Speed and Special Defense
Ampharos's speed and physical defense
Lucario's Defense and Special Defense.
Flygon's Attack and physical defense
Roserade's Special attack and Physical Defense.

This may sound unlrealistic as well, but according to some guys they said its possible.

nonononononononononononononononononononononono. Why are you increasing Lucario's defenses? It's a sweeper...Flygon wants speed and attack EVs, make it a CBer. Really, the EV guides are simple to understand. Read through them carefully and you'll get it. Amphy is slow, no need to boost a bad stat, give it special attack EVs...please. Roserade needs speed, not defenses...here, there is a pretty helpful guide on gameFAQs that got me started. Google "blastoise tank moveset" and it is a team building guide on gamefaqs. Not trying to advertise, it was just a big help early on for me. You'll see EVed pokemon. Just ignore the movesets since they are third gen, but it explains EVs and all that stuff. Or you could just use PC's guide...

EDIT: Your strategy is flawed. Amphy won't stick aroung 6 turns, and making sweepers walls isn't what I'd call strategy...

Sora_8920 September 10th, 2007 2:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi Uchiha (Post 2872563)

Use that link. [url-inline=www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=88965]go.[/url-inline]

Bishopk September 10th, 2007 2:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueLucario (Post 2872542)
i'm not very good. I thought strategy is what counts.

It is. But strategies can be flawed.
Are you looking at this as a Double Battle team, APCW13?

Anti September 10th, 2007 2:43 PM

Yes I am. Amphy cvan't use charge beam 2-3 times and then launch thunder to OHKO ONE opponent, it would have fainted. I doubt even blissey could endure hits for 5 turns (assuming they're physical). EQ is THE most common move in the game. It 2HKOs amphy in double battles, and hurts gastrodon as well. And fly and surf are BOTH made of fail in double battles...I mean really.

Sora_8920 September 10th, 2007 2:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 2872597)
Yes I am. Amphy cvan't use charge beam 2-3 times and then launch thunder to OHKO ONE opponent, it would have fainted. I doubt even blissey could endure hits for 5 turns (assuming they're physical). EQ is THE most common move in the game. It 2HKOs amphy in double battles, and hurts gastrodon as well. And fly and surf are BOTH made of fail in double battles...I mean really.

Gonna try this out again. [url-inline=Option "pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=88965"]value[/url-inline]

Bishopk September 10th, 2007 2:47 PM

I'd suggest editing your post, rather than spamming.
This thread?

Anti September 10th, 2007 2:55 PM

Yes, that's it. But here, if you want a physical sweeper, try:

[email protected] Belt
Motor Drive
Lonely Nature
EVs: 252 Attack, 252 Speed, 6 Special Attack
~Cross Chop
~EQ
~Ice Punch
~Thunderbolt

A great physical sweeper, though that is actually mixed b/c of Skarm. Mostly physical, hope you get my point.

BlueLucario September 10th, 2007 2:58 PM

Itachi, neither links work.^_^ Thanks, So all i have to do is kill a certain pokemon to get an EV? That's it. I just thought some of my pokemon need defense because they die so easily. If it's the same pokemon but different location would that make any difference at all?

Sora_8920 September 10th, 2007 3:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 2872650)
Yes, that's it. But here, if you want a physical sweeper, try:

[email protected] Belt
Motor Drive
Lonely Nature
EVs: 252 Attack, 252 Speed, 6 Special Attack
~Cross Chop
~EQ
~Ice Punch
~Thunderbolt

A great physical sweeper, though that is actually mixed b/c of Skarm. Mostly physical, hope you get my point.

All right finally got this working now. go.

But physical sweeper, you ask?

-Ou physical sweeper

Heracross @:Choice Band
Trait: Guts
Adamant Nature
Pursuit
Stone Edge
Megahorn
Close Combat. Works well.

Shiraishi September 10th, 2007 3:02 PM

Sweepers are supposed to die easily. If you think you are going to be outspeeded, switch to a wall/tank.

Heres this for a physical sweeper =O

[email protected] Orb
Naive
Sand veil
252 Spd/252 Atk/4 HP
Dragon Claw
Earthquake
Fire blast
Swords Dance

J-Rad September 10th, 2007 3:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueLucario (Post 2872425)
Lucario lvl 52
Lonely Nature

-AuraSphere
-DarkPulse
-DragonPulse
-Close combat

Ampharos lvl 52
Calm nature
-Sub/t-wave
-Focus Blast
-Reflect
-T-bolt




Changes in bold for those two. If u have a lonely lucario Close Combat is a must since it ups attack. Breed reflect onto Ampharos to up def. while they switch to an EQer and u can survive at least 1 EQ.

BlueLucario September 10th, 2007 3:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi Uchiha (Post 2872607)
Gonna try this out again. [url-inline=Option "pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=88965"]value[/url-inline]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi Uchiha (Post 2872571)
Use that link. [url-inline=www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=88965]go.[/url-inline]


Still Doesnt work XD.

I didnt know sweepers are supposed to die easily. ^_^.
What do you think of my team so far?

Sora_8920 September 10th, 2007 3:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi Uchiha (Post 2872677)
All right finally got this working now. go.

But physical sweeper, you ask?

-Ou physical sweeper

Heracross @:Choice Band
Trait: Guts
Adamant Nature
Pursuit
Stone Edge
Megahorn
Close Combat. Works well.

Now it does, try clicking on it.

Anti September 10th, 2007 3:21 PM

Well, you need to post you team, preferably in this format:

[email protected]**Nickname
Trait: Trait the pokemon has, like intimidate
Pokemon's nature
EVs: pokemon's planned EV spread
-move 1
-move 2
-move 3
-move 4

This is what you plan on having, not what you have now. Then we can help your team out.

Sora_8920 September 10th, 2007 3:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 2872779)
Well, you need to post you team, preferably in this format:

[email protected]**Nickname
Trait: Trait the pokemon has, like intimidate
Pokemon's nature
EVs: pokemon's planned EV spread
-move 1
-move 2
-move 3
-move 4

This is what you plan on having, not what you have now. Then we can help your team out.

I don't find the nickname, too important. But it's just if he prefers so.

Anti September 10th, 2007 3:28 PM

Yeah, I should mention that the nickname and optional stuff like that is well...optional. But yes, a posted team would help.

Sora_8920 September 10th, 2007 3:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueLucario (Post 2872425)

Lucario lvl 52. I guess Special Attack and speed.
Lonely Nature
-AuraSphere
-DarkPulse
-DragonPulse
-CalmMind

Ampharos lvl 53 Special Attack and physical defense
Careful Nature

-Thunder
-ChargeBeam
-LightScreen
-Discharge




Infernape lvl 53
Docile Nature---> Attack and Special Attack.
-FlameThrower
-CloseCombat
-Flamewheel
-MachPunch



Roserade lvl 54
Mild Nature--Speed and Sp. Attack

-PetalDance
-MagicalLeaf
-Toxic
-WeatherBall

Gastrodon lvl 54-->Spf Defense, SP Attack and speed.
Gentle Nature

-RainDance
-Surf
-Earthquake
-Recover

Flygon lvl 55----->Physical attack, Physical defense, and speed.
Naive Nature

-DragonClaw
-Dragonbreath---->Earthquake
-Fly
-Screech


I came up with strategies for double battles in competitive play.I don't have wi-fi but i hope to get it soon.

First 2 pokemon. Gastrodon and Ampharos
->Gastrodon uses RainDance
->Ampharos uses light screen
->Gastrodon uses surf(It wont do much dmg to ampharos anyway)
->Ampharos uses ChargeBeam until Sp Atk increases 2-3x.
->Ampharos uses Thunder. Selected pokemon faints.
Or.
Ampharos uses Discharge. Gastrodon is unaffected.

Ampharos dies.

->Sent out Flygon
-> Flygon uses Fly
->Gastrodon uses surf

or

Flygon uses screech
Gastrodon uses earthquake.



What you think. Any1 know how to EV or IV train my pokemon. i read guides but I can't understand what is being said.

Thank alot!

Did you edit your post, Bluelucario? Anyways, this link should really help:.

Anti September 10th, 2007 3:36 PM

You still don't put defense EVs in sweepers. That is pretty much suicide...and nuetral natures are made of fail. Always.

Sora_8920 September 10th, 2007 3:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 2872882)
You still don't put defense EVs in sweepers. That is pretty much suicide...and nuetral natures are made of fail. Always.

[url-inline="showthread.php?t=97470"]go.[/url-inline]

BlueLucario September 11th, 2007 2:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi Uchiha (Post 2872874)
[/COLOR] Did you edit your post, Bluelucario? Anyways, this link should really help:.

Yes I did. How would this help?

Shiraishi September 11th, 2007 2:38 PM

He wants to look up pokemon's base stats because he thinks you dont use them as a factor for deciding your team.


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