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Sora_8920 September 14th, 2007 11:18 AM

Couter list for Ou's, and such.
 
Lucario-, Depends on which it is, I suggest using Skarmbliss.

Skarmbliss- Mixed Sweeper such as Infernape, will make quick work of them, with Close Combat and Flamethrower.

Gengar- Oh boy, Spiritomb can make quick work of this guy with Calm Mind and Dark Pulse.

Scarfcross- Skarmory should make quick work of it with Drilk Peck, and resits all of it's attacks.

-Tyranitar Infernape with Close Combat again, will OHKO him.

-Taunt/DDdos Gengar with Thunderbolt, will Ko it.

-Specsmence, Milotic with Ice Beam, And Porygon-Z will Ko it. As it resists all of it's moves.

-Metagross Agility makes it a toughie, Infernape plus Flamethrower, before it get's an Agility in should Ko it Or Garchomp with either Earthquake or Fire Blast. Edit: Swampert too.


Porygon-Z- Blissey with Seismic Toss, makes a good counter for it.

-Rhyperior Skarm with Whirlwind and spikes, will toss it around. =p. And Porygon-Z

-Garchomp Again, Milotic with Ice Beam, makes a good counter for it.

-Magnezone Garchomp.

-Bronzong Garchomp with Fire Blast.

-Infernape Skarmory with Drill Peck.

-Dugtrio Skarmory.

Blissey (Seprate). Close Combat Infernape/Heracross.

Any form (Physical, Mixed, and Special). Of Salamence,

Gengar/**mcicegar 3rd Gen @:Wide Lens
Trait: Levitate
Timid Nature
Ice Punch
Hypnosis
Will-o-Wisp
Shadow Ball.

Vire. Dugtrio with Earthquake, as long as it doesn't have Motor Drive's speed in even once.

Azelf Scarfcross is the counter for it.

**Scarfcross @:Choice Scarf
Trait: Guts
Adamant Nature
Stone Edge
Pursuit
Megahorn
Close Combat.

Alakazam Bronzong with Explosion. Spritomb plus Pursuit.

Milotic Thunerpunch with Agilitygross should be able to be a good counter for it, otherwise, Grass Knot Starmie.






Part: II Credits.
Credits: Me, so far. If anybody adds something, I will give credit to them. Richard

Angelic Diablo September 14th, 2007 4:43 PM

You could do Skarm and Bliss seperately, they aren't only used together you know

Skarm counters - Magnezone, steel pull traps it, Thunderbolt kills it

Bliss counters - Almost any Physical sweeper

I like how you defy the OU by what item they are holding, yet the item alone doesnt make them OU, it's their stats and movepool as well, so don't have Specsmence, have Salamence, no Scarfcross, but Heracross

It's like your saying that if you don't have mence with specs then you fail with mence, and likewise with hera and CS

Anti September 14th, 2007 4:51 PM

Yes, I noticed the same thing. CBcross has always owned me...and same with CBmence. Problem is, there are many pokes missing...azelf and many of the legendaries...and Zam. And where is Vire?

Azonic September 14th, 2007 5:06 PM

There are many missing.

Steelix, Milotic, Garchomp, Specsmence

Anti September 14th, 2007 5:07 PM

Specsmence is on there...and I thought steelix was BL? Too early to tell...but yeah, I'd complete it first...

mustbe18toryde September 14th, 2007 5:07 PM

Countering Weavile (which is capable of 5-6-oing an entire team) as well as MixedApe.

EDIT~Just realized you put Gyarados up there.

Sora_8920 September 15th, 2007 3:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mustbe18toryde (Post 2884712)
Countering Weavile (which is capable of 5-6-oing an entire team) as well as MixedApe.

EDIT~Just realized you put Gyarados up there.

Okay. Thanks for all the comments, guys. Will edit it now.

Lumine September 15th, 2007 3:54 AM

What about a Bold Milotic? just wondering

Sora_8920 September 15th, 2007 3:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lumine (Post 2886670)
What about a Bold Milotic? just wondering



I put that up there, already. Also, Penguin, I had already put a counter for Garchomp up there. It's underlined now.

Lumine September 15th, 2007 4:00 AM

Then what do you do when her Marvel Scale is activated and Aqua Ring is in play?

Sora_8920 September 15th, 2007 4:04 AM

[QUOTE=Lumine;2886694]Then what do you do when her Marvel Scale is activated and Aqua Ring is in play?[/QUOTE]

Most people won't use Aqua ring on Milotic. I was wondering if Haze, would get rid of the 1.5 bonus. Honchrow can do this very well.

Lumine September 15th, 2007 4:08 AM

Ah cheers I like your list, But just letting you know Bliss isnt OHKO with Close Combat, a Rhyperior Hammer Armed my Bliss and it survived with yellow HP, maybe the dude made him a wall or something >.< I dunno the world can surprise us sometimes you'll never know XD

Sora_8920 September 15th, 2007 4:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lumine (Post 2886719)
Ah cheers I like your list, But just letting you know Bliss isnt OHKO with Close Combat, a Rhyperior Hammer Armed my Bliss and it survived with yellow HP, maybe the dude made him a wall or something >.< I dunno the world can surprise us sometimes you'll never know XD

Max defense, yeah, but you're just gonna have to assume they don't ev train. As well as pray. Assuming that you have very little hp left, Seismic Toss is usually what Blissey users use as a move. 100 Hp taken away might not be much of a threat, but later in the battle, it will become one. As long as they don't have a ghost type such as Dusknoir, Gengar, etc.

Faceless* September 15th, 2007 4:31 AM

Itachi, even with Skarmorys mass defense, He can't take Rhyperior's Stone Edge too well

Other than that, Milotic isn't the only Beamer around. You could've suggested Ice Beaming Porygon-Z, Starmie, or Weavile w/ Ice Punch or Pursuit to make sure they take some damage

Lumine September 15th, 2007 4:34 AM

Bliss is just the most hated wall ever known to Poke battlers XD then Skarm -.- I like Forretress better than Skarm although Im training a Skarm now to see which one I feel more comfortable with

Sora_8920 September 15th, 2007 4:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Name (Post 2886774)
Itachi, even with Skarmorys mass defense, He can't take Rhyperior's Stone Edge too well

Other than that, Milotic isn't the only Beamer around. You could've suggested Ice Beaming Porygon-Z, Starmie, or Weavile w/ Ice Punch or Pursuit to make sure they take some damage

I'll put that up there, and then start ev training. (Diamond).

Faceless* September 15th, 2007 4:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lumine (Post 2886792)
Bliss is just the most hated wall ever known to Poke battlers XD then Skarm -.- I like Forretress better than Skarm although Im training a Skarm now to see which one I feel more comfortable with

Yes Blissey is really hated O.o I even fear her... that damn fatty walls my Garchomp then uses Counter

Sora_8920 September 15th, 2007 6:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Name (Post 2886798)
Yes Blissey is really hated O.o I even fear her... that damn fatty walls my Garchomp then uses Counter

That's because, if they can't get Seismic Toss, then they use Counter for Physical Ou's who can attack very well. (High Base Attack). It's a very good alternate for Seismic Toss. And if that's the case, Theen obviously Garchomp with Swords Dance, is a good move to up your stats. Then start sweeping, if you can get in a couple Swords Dance, then he is an absolute beast.

Garchomp @:Choice Scarf
Trait: Sand Veil
Adamant Nature
Earthquake
Swords Dance (Obviously the first move your gonna use, when facing that darn pink blob).
Fire Blast (Don't use it agenist Blissey. Ever).
Dragon Claw/Outrage. This Set beg's you to use him as a lead. This set, basiacally makes him "invincible", if you will.

Richard Lynch September 15th, 2007 7:01 AM

Swampert makes the ultimate best Metagross counter. It resists it's best attack, immune to Thunderpunch, and takes trivial damage from Earthquake, and can fire back STAB Earthquakes of his own.

There are a few corrections I'd like to make, but it'll have to wait until I get home from work.

Oh, and the best way to counter Alakazam?

Spiritomb + Pursuit.

Spiritomb is immune to two of the most common moves on Alakazam: Psychic and Focus Blast. If you switch in on one of those (especially if it's Choice Specs Alakazam), then you've got a simple KO.

Weavile also makes a good one, for the same reasons. He's got to be Jolly, though, so he can outrun Alakazam to the kill. Or Pursuit if you predict a switch. Same goes for Starmie and Gengar; I've had my Starmie massacred many times by Weavile.

Bishopk September 15th, 2007 7:09 AM

This thread begs the question:
And how do you counter these counters?

Zaikiro September 15th, 2007 8:17 AM

A counter to Bronzong cannot only be a Garchomp with Fire Blast. It has to be a bit different from the standard Garchomop.

Garchomp @ Lum Berry/Life Orb
Nature: Lonely/Rash
EV: 252 Sp Atk/ 240 Spd/16 Atk
-Draco Meteor
-Fire Blast
-Earthquake
-Swords Dance/Stone Edge

This is a set to also counter the average physical wall which is expected to counter Garchomp.

Sora_8920 September 15th, 2007 8:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zaikiro (Post 2887567)
A counter to Bronzong cannot only be a Garchomp with Fire Blast. It has to be a bit different from the standard Garchomop.

Garchomp @ Lum Berry/Life Orb
Nature: Lonely/Rash
EV: 252 Sp Atk/ 240 Spd/16 Atk
-Draco Meteor
-Fire Blast
-Earthquake
-Swords Dance/Stone Edge
This is a set to also counter the average physical wall which is expected to counter Garchomp.

I hate novelty sets... Draco Meteor is lol, and fails on Garchomp.

Azonic September 15th, 2007 9:00 AM

OKAY THIS IS NOT AMUSING. :[

Sora_8920 September 15th, 2007 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Penguinpal6 (Post 2887772)
Aerodactyl resists all of Garchomp's moves, with some defense support, its a great counter

I'm going to revive this now. Thanks Penguin.

eros225 September 17th, 2007 3:54 PM

any good gliscor counters?


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