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sims796 September 14th, 2007 1:35 PM

#$%@!♪♭ Vileplume, good enough, I guess...
 
Alright, I now have HP Ice Oddish. Good enough. Unfortunatley, these are his IV's:

HP:19
ATK:13
DEF:9
SP.A:31
SP.D:7
SPE:22
Hid. Pow:ICE-66

See? Decent, but I would have liked a bit more in def, and especially sp.def. This is his set:

[email protected] Sludge
Nature:Calm
Energy Ball
Hidden Power [ICE]
Aromatherapy
Stun Spore
EV:252 HP, 132 SP.DEF, 120 SP.ATK

Due to poor IV's in sp.def, I must invest more IV's in that area. So, I can really use help in the EV part.

I know these Plume threads of mine are getting annoying, but everyone can sympathize with me in Hidden Pow breeding. I wanted Rock, but settled for Ice. Ice can hurt opposing dragons. Plume is walled by Steel, but oh well. Can't hit everything.

Dark Azelf September 14th, 2007 2:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 2883511)
Alright, I now have HP Ice Oddish. Good enough. Unfortunatley, these are his IV's:

HP:19
ATK:13
DEF:9
SP.A:31
SP.D:7
SPE:22
Hid. Pow:ICE-66

See? Decent, but I would have liked a bit more in def, and especially sp.def. This is his set:

[email protected] Sludge
Nature:Calm
Energy Ball
Hidden Power [ICE]
Aromatherapy
Stun Spore
EV:252 HP, 132 SP.DEF, 120 SP.ATK

Due to poor IV's in sp.def, I must invest more IV's in that area. So, I can really use help in the EV part.

I know these Plume threads of mine are getting annoying, but everyone can sympathize with me in Hidden Pow breeding. I wanted Rock, but settled for Ice. Ice can hurt opposing dragons. Plume is walled by Steel, but oh well. Can't hit everything.

try this, i found it on smogon for you, with the nature you have currently


name: Sub Seed
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Leech Seed
move 3: Hidden Power Ice/Sludge Bomb/Giga Drain
move 4: Stun Spore
item: Leftovers / Large Root
nature: Calm / Sassy
evs: 244 hp / 136 def / 128 SpDef



name: Status Platform
move 1: Sleep Powder
move 2: Stun Spore / Toxic
move 3: Aromatherapy / Leech Seed
move 4: Hidden Power Ice/Energy Ball / Sludge Bomb
item: Leftovers
nature: Calm / Sassy
evs: 244 hp / 136 def / 128 SpDef

sims796 September 14th, 2007 2:21 PM

Now, I looked at smogon, and saw those set. I'll critisize those sets for a sec:

1)I can't use the first set. All that breeding...I must breed for Leech Seed.

2)I have a sleep inducer on my team, so I can afford to lose Sleep Powder. I really need a cleric on my team, though. Thanks for the imput.

Dark Azelf September 14th, 2007 2:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 2883742)
Now, I looked at smogon, and saw those set. I'll critisize those sets for a sec:

1)I can't use the first set. All that breeding...I must breed for Leech Seed.

2)I have a sleep inducer on my team, so I can afford to lose Sleep Powder. I really need a cleric on my team, though. Thanks for the imput.

Sorry, i forgot leech seed is an egg move for plume ,ok try the second one or just keep your original set, it looks fine apart from those Ivs in Def and Sp.Def, oh well at least they are not 0 or 2 or something, just keep yourself lucky that you actually got a good hidden power.

sims796 September 14th, 2007 2:28 PM

Heh, yeah. But my biggest problem is how to fix it with the EV spread. Any advice?

Dark Azelf September 14th, 2007 2:37 PM

errrmm try 244 Hp 132 Sp.Att 134 Sp.Def


or you can also take some evs out of Sp.Att and Sp.Def, seeing as yours has flawless S.Att, and put some into defense, just about 40 odd or something

sims796 September 14th, 2007 2:59 PM

Ok, I did some calculations, and with those IV's and this spread:

244 HP, 176 SP.DEF, 90 SP.ATK

I get these stats:

HP:340
SP.D:263
SP.A:258

Is this good?

Sora_8920 September 14th, 2007 3:00 PM

[QUOTE=sims796;2883511]Alright, I now have HP Ice Oddish. Good enough. Unfortunatley, these are his IV's:

HP:19
ATK:13
DEF:9
SP.A:31
SP.D:7
SPE:22
Hid. Pow:ICE-66

See? Decent, but I would have liked a bit more in def, and especially sp.def. This is his set:

[email protected] Sludge
Nature:Calm
Energy Ball
Hidden Power [ICE]
Aromatherapy
Stun Spore
EV:252 HP, 132 SP.DEF, 120 SP.ATK

Due to poor IV's in sp.def, I must invest more IV's in that area. So, I can really use help in the EV part.

I know these Plume threads of mine are getting annoying, but everyone can sympathize with me in Hidden Pow breeding. I wanted Rock, but settled for Ice. Ice can hurt opposing dragons. Plume is walled by Steel, but oh well. Can't hit everything.[/QUOTE]

Drain Punch, even though it's not a very good move, can help with that.

Vileplume @:Focus Sash
Trait: Chlorophyll
Lonely/Hasty/Naive Nature
Energy Ball
Drain Punch
Sunny Day
Synthesis.

sims796 September 14th, 2007 3:06 PM

Not only is his Atk is too low (poor IV), But those natures require breeding. Not willing to go through that again.

I have other pokes for Steel, so I don't care much for Plume hitting those.

Dark Azelf September 14th, 2007 3:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 2883938)
Ok, I did some calculations, and with those IV's and this spread:

244 HP, 176 SP.DEF, 90 SP.ATK

I get these stats:

HP:340
SP.D:263
SP.A:258

Is this good?

well seing as its max Hp with Max EVs invested into it is 354

Its max S.Def is 306 with maxed evs

and its max Sp.Att is 299, with maxed evs

these are all at level 100

id say its fine, with that ev spread you posted there

sims796 September 14th, 2007 3:17 PM

Beautiful. This is good enough. I'll begin training as soon as I get Bronznor.

Sora_8920 September 14th, 2007 3:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 2884029)
Beautiful. This is good enough. I'll begin training as soon as I get Bronznor.

It's max special attack is: 328, so 299 is wrong.

Dark Azelf September 14th, 2007 3:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi Uchiha (Post 2884055)
It's max special attack is: 328, so 299 is wrong.

I was talking about its max with a Calm Nature

sims796 September 14th, 2007 3:27 PM

Azelf is right, and I did calculations according to that.


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