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ThePlaya September 14th, 2007 6:35 PM

Pokemon Chaining Questions
 
For those who use the Pokeradar, what is your biggest chain of Pokemon, and what Pokemon was it? Did you end up with a Shiny?

Have you ever seen or caught a shiny without using a pokeradar??

heres a video i found...it's really helped me with chaining....i suggest wathching it if you don't know how to chain.tell me if this video helped you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkeKPlBYYbs

By the way, just post here anytime if you have a new high chain or the latest shinys you have caught:)
Ha just post here whenever you want.

Myoko-chan September 14th, 2007 6:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ThePlaya (Post 2885202)
For those who use the Pokeradar, what is your biggest chain of Pokemon, and what Pokemon was it? Did you end up with a Shiny?Has any one ever seen or caught a shiny without using a pokeradar??


My biggest chain was 24 on a bidoof... lul. Nope, I didnt end up haveing a shiny.
Shiny Chikorita...I kept reseting for it...lul. But if ur talking about wild...no, but it would be most unlikely with it's 0.00000000001% (1/8195)

ThePlaya September 14th, 2007 6:49 PM

ha i cant get higher than 9......its a starly

ShadowTails September 14th, 2007 7:17 PM

Highest Chain 113, Slakoth, 8 shinies.

ThePlaya September 14th, 2007 7:22 PM

i doubt ill ever get that many chains.:(......its way too hard for me.

zer0vrs September 14th, 2007 9:45 PM

i got 35 w/pinsir, broken by a flippin weepingbell!!:pirate:

J.M. September 15th, 2007 4:05 AM

My highest is 6 Buizel's which I did twice

I only started yesterday, so no shinies for me... yet

Lumine September 15th, 2007 4:11 AM

11 Chains of Electrike and 1 shiny >.<

Mazumia September 15th, 2007 12:06 PM

22 nosepasses (I curse all ponytas) I didn't end up with a shiny unfortunatley. and i hatched a shiny cleffa

GameFortress September 15th, 2007 3:44 PM

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Highest Chain 113, Slakoth, 8 shinies.
Here are all the formulas for calculating the chances of a shiney from chaining, the best you can get it to is 1/200. Making the chances of getting 8 shineys in a chain of 113 slakoth one in several billion.

Chaining for Shinies

Ps = 1/(200*(41-nc))

Ps: Probability of a shiny Pokémon
nc: Current chain, capped at 40

Example:
After chaining 40 shinies, the probability of getting a shiny is:

1/(200*(41-40))
= 1/200 = 0.5%

zer0vrs September 15th, 2007 4:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mazumia (Post 2888770)
22 nosepasses (I curse all ponytas) I didn't end up with a shiny unfortunatley. and i hatched a shiny cleffa

my swarm for today is nosepass too. i keep getting my chains broken by anything like geodudes or ponyta (i even tried chaining ponyta, and it was broken by nosepass o_O ). the only thing i dont understand is WHY?!?! ive spent like an hr so far, but im going to try later today before my swarm changes

AnimeDDR110 September 15th, 2007 4:15 PM

biggest chain was a 14 on staravia!

I WAS SO PROUD!

TwilightBlade September 15th, 2007 4:17 PM

Highest chain was 126 and got 7 shiny Ponyta... Saw 8 of them. >.>;

As for non chains, I soft reseted for two legends. I also found 2 random wild shiny pokemon within the same week. o.o

I dun see how that's a one out of several billion chance. :U

GameFortress September 15th, 2007 4:20 PM

I Highly doubt you got 7 shiny ponytas in that chain. As I explained and gave an example of before, the best you can get the chances of a shiney down to is 1/200. That means you seeing 8 shiney ponytas would be next to impossible. 1/several billion. No way, no how.

TwilightBlade September 15th, 2007 4:59 PM

Mmm yeah, you did not just accuse me of lying. D:

Please tell me how the horsies got in my box then 'cause they are there and legit. If you'd like, I'll show you most of them in a wifi trade. I don't think my camera can do a clear picture of them. And for the record, I don't have an AR yet for the DS. So you tell me how I just owned a 1/several billion chance. I know a hunter who got 18 shinies in a chain of Togepi. And another hunter got 13 Lickitung, 12 Larvitar, and 10 Shinx to her name. It's not a load of bull; it's dedication, patience, and luck. That single chain took me 3 hours and I got them at: 43, 50, 65, 68, 73, 83 killed, 84, 98. The average is about 71, so maybe 40 isn't the best shiny rate. So maybe try experimenting and researching a whole lot more before you preach like I do.

I take things too seriously desu. Dun push my little buttons and make me ooze out gravy ever again. :<

ShadowTails September 15th, 2007 5:44 PM

Dude, reset the radar at any number and eventually you can get a Shiny, you will keep getting shinies so long as you keep reseting the radar and the chain doesn't break. I have 8 Shiny Slakoths, and it's not impossible to get 8 of the same shiny without cloning, none of mine have the same exact IVs and they're all different. I usually stop at 2, but sometimes I'll go higher.

Bathing Ape September 15th, 2007 6:54 PM

Highest chain is 45 with Banette and it prized me with two shinies

You just need to be patient

First time i tried chaining i thought "this is rubbish, what's the point"

But when i gave it another shot i understood it better and put more effort into it and i now have 12 shiny pokemon for my troubles, 3 of which have earned me a Birth Island Deoxys :D

ThePlaya September 15th, 2007 8:51 PM

well i tried chaining for doduo and got up to 34...really proud:)....until a freaking bidoof broke it:(....

GameFortress September 15th, 2007 9:42 PM

I'm not accusing you of lying, i'm using facts. Those are the ACTUAL released calculations in chaining pokemon, and I've taken college courses on statistics. You can tell me I'm full of bull, but the numbers aren't going to lie. Its way too easy for people to make up information to make themselves look better. You can't prove yourself up against the math.

ShadowTails September 15th, 2007 9:48 PM

Tell that to my 6 Shiny Starly's, my 8 Shiny Slakoths, and my other multiple shiny Pokemon and even just any of my Shiny Pokemon besides Spinda and Budew because those 2 were not caught on the Pokeradar.

GameFortress September 15th, 2007 9:50 PM

Between duplication and Action Replay, it wouldn't be hard at all for you to get that many shineys. my brother just messes around on the GTS and gets 2-3 shineys a day for junky pokemon. You just don't want to admit you've been caught out in a lie. I'm PROGRAMMING a pokemon game right now called pokemon twilight. I've been researching all the algorithims pokemon uses. I know what i'm talking about trust me.

brotlov September 15th, 2007 9:52 PM

My 3 highest Chains:

29: Starly, No Shiny
28: Floatzel, No Shiny
20: Nidoran, Female, Shiny

so, yeah, those are my biggest Chains

ShadowTails September 15th, 2007 9:54 PM

Big freaking deal you have your stupid math, it's probability and random, you can't calculate exact randomness because if that were the case everyone would be getting shinies out the ying yang....

A friend of mine says
"if it were possible to use game machanics to see every possible random outcome. then shinies would be easy to get"

ThePlaya September 15th, 2007 9:55 PM

well what i think is that shadowtails isnt lying...he probably never gives up like most of us......he probably keeps on reseting the radar for ever until shinys pop out.

ShadowTails September 15th, 2007 9:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ThePlaya (Post 2890705)
well what i think is that shadowtails isnt lying...he probably never gives up like most of us......he probably keeps on reseting the radar for ever until shinys pop out.

And I have had multiple occasions where I haven't gotten a Shiny, it's not uncommon, I chained up to 40 twice with Buneary and reset the radar for hours, nothing ever showed up... I don't see why I'd waste time with over 400 hours on my game to "cheat" as that one guy is saying... Some people just don't understand that there isn't anything you can calculate out of total random numbers, even if the chances of getting a Shiny are 1/800 something, you can still see 2 shinies within those numbers, it's just probability, it's never exact, that's why they have a predicted number.

GameFortress September 15th, 2007 9:58 PM

pokeguide.filb.de/downloads/chain.pdf

Never gives up? What a martyr. Statistics are used to predict a lot more things than you realise. Statistics are everywhere, and they are used in almost everything. The fact of the matter is, he has a better chance of being struck by lightning 7 times than getting that good of a chain

ThePlaya September 15th, 2007 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by GameFortress (Post 2890710)
pokeguide.filb.de/downloads/chain.pdf

Never gives up? What a martyr. Statistics are used to predict a lot more things than you realise. Statistics are everywhere, and they are used in almost everything. The fact of the matter is, he has a better chance of being struck by lightning 7 times than getting that good of a chain

no he dosnt.........hes probably just a good chainer.and dosnt give up

GameFortress September 15th, 2007 10:02 PM

pokeguide.filb.de/downloads/chain.pdf

Listen, he has a better chance of getting struck by lightning 7 times.

ShadowTails September 15th, 2007 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by GameFortress (Post 2890710)
pokeguide.filb.de/downloads/chain.pdf

Never gives up? What a martyr. Statistics are used to predict a lot more things than you realise. Statistics are everywhere, and they are used in almost everything. The fact of the matter is, he has a better chance of being struck by lightning 7 times than getting that good of a chain

What part of RANDOM DO YOU NOT FREAKING UNDERSTAND?... God... people this day and time, if they can't do something someone else can do then they just go off and off about it until they prove their point when it doesn't make a bit of difference... I'm not the only person with a lot of Shiny Pokemon, there are many other people, this one dude who calls himself "Shiny Hunter" has over 100 shinies that he caught himself, he has the majority of his captures posted on youtube, he even did a video where he did the entire chain and caught his shiny... I don't care what math you throw into my face to try and prove something, nothing in math is ever exact when it comes to statistics and extrapolating data, even when you interpolate your methods wont be 100% exact... I know enough from math that everything I do will never be exact, that's why we have Decimals, I don't care what you keep dribbling about, if you don't think they exsist, fine go ahead, be ignorant like that... I happen to work really hard to get my Shiny Pokemon, I don't care if you accuse me of cheating, I think if I did have an Action replay, I would have all the Shinies I'm hunting for, and heck they'd all have perfect IV's, well they don't... my luckiest capture was a Growlithe with a 31 IV in attack, his other IVs aren't exactly perfect, so shut up...

zer0vrs September 15th, 2007 10:07 PM

i took a class on statistics as well and i dont think that has anything to do with chaining, i just think its pure luck. like for me, i caught a shiny pichu in 8 chains and a shiny sneasel in 6 or 7, and that was right after i caught my pichu. so i think its just random or luck or whatever, and theres really no solid number (in my opinion).

ThePlaya September 15th, 2007 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ShadowTails (Post 2890736)
What part of RANDOM DO YOU NOT FREAKING UNDERSTAND?... God... people this day and time, if they can't do something someone else can do then they just go off and off about it until they prove their point when it doesn't make a bit of difference... I'm not the only person with a lot of Shiny Pokemon, there are many other people, this one dude who calls himself "Shiny Hunter" has over 100 shinies that he caught himself, he has the majority of his captures posted on youtube, he even did a video where he did the entire chain and caught his shiny... I don't care what math you throw into my face to try and prove something, nothing in math is ever exact when it comes to statistics and extrapolating data, even when you interpolate your methods wont be 100% exact... I know enough from math that everything I do will never be exact, that's why we have Decimals, I don't care what you keep dribbling about, if you don't think they exsist, fine go ahead, be ignorant like that... I happen to work really hard to get my Shiny Pokemon, I don't care if you accuse me of cheating, I think if I did have an Action replay, I would have all the Shinies I'm hunting for, and heck they'd all have perfect IV's, well they don't... my luckiest capture was a Growlithe with a 31 IV in attack, his other IVs aren't exactly perfect, so shut up...

dude he is so right...he would have all the shinys hes looking for if he used an AR.those calculations you threw arnt right....its all about luck and apperantly some people have more luck than others....you sometimes catch shinys in a chain..you sometimes dont.but its all luck basically.so your calculations arnt correct and arnt true.

PrinceSushi September 15th, 2007 11:43 PM

Oh no! Fighting!


Anyways.
Highest Chains
81 Snubbull
68 Skitty
42 Snubbull

Shinies
x2 Snubbull on the 81 chain
x1 Skitty on a really low chain(she was #9. It broke shortly after that)

I believe it is possible to get MANY shinies, you just have to work at it and have patience. See, I don't have patience, I get bored of resetting or chaining so I go off to train or grow berries.

One odd thing I learned is that the more you practice, the better you get at chaining!! I use to not be able to get above 15 and then 20 and now I can easily get to 30+ My eyes now know what to look for and what patches might end the chain. It used to take me as long at 2 hours to get above 30 but now I can get there in about 30 minutes.

Drakorn September 16th, 2007 2:54 AM

The most chains I got was 18 with Staravia. And yes I found a shiny without the pokeradar. (Shiny Skarmory

RAWR ^_^ September 16th, 2007 4:54 AM

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Originally Posted by GameFortress (Post 2890687)
I'm not accusing you of lying, i'm using facts. Those are the ACTUAL released calculations in chaining pokemon, and I've taken college courses on statistics. You can tell me I'm full of bull, but the numbers aren't going to lie. Its way too easy for people to make up information to make themselves look better. You can't prove yourself up against the math.

LOL Your so far up your own Flaming ar'se that your ego has had a massive explosion.

Anyway Highest Chain is 23, I got it this morning :D I'm well chuffed, earned me a shiny snorunt XD As for shinies, I hatched 250 odd eevee eggs and got buger all

And If we go by 1/200 Statistic, Then the numbers do Fkin lie you bloody idiot.

Btw, Sorry For my launage And what not, it just people like him get on my nerves :|

ThePlaya September 16th, 2007 2:41 PM

i tried chaining again but couldnt get higher than 23...starly...i can't get higher than that anymore...don't whats wrong.

Gibbo September 16th, 2007 3:03 PM

My highest is 65 Shynx, I got the shiny right on 40 without even resetting, but I didn't get any more after that...

Malik September 16th, 2007 3:11 PM

My first try I was messed up by my dog (distracted) and the second time, I got to about 3, then nowa days I go to about 10-17 and I mess up. However, 17 is my highest with Skitty. I mostly use the Swarming pokemon, is that a problem? I mean is it harder to chain with swarming pokemon?

ThePlaya September 16th, 2007 3:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Malik (Post 2894944)
My first try I was messed up by my dog (distracted) and the second time, I got to about 3, then nowa days I go to about 10-17 and I mess up. However, 17 is my highest with Skitty. I mostly use the Swarming pokemon, is that a problem? I mean is it harder to chain with swarming pokemon?

well i think its easier to chain swarming pokemons...but no one really knows if it is easier.ill post a video guide to chaining right now hold on.

zer0vrs September 16th, 2007 5:10 PM

i think someone mentioned this before, but someone said that you can just keep resetting the radar until you get a shiny patch on any chain, as long as its a chain. so, if i have a chain of 3 eevees, can i just keep resetting until i get a shiny patch?

ShadowTails September 16th, 2007 7:25 PM

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Originally Posted by zer0vrs (Post 2895443)
i think someone mentioned this before, but someone said that you can just keep resetting the radar until you get a shiny patch on any chain, as long as its a chain. so, if i have a chain of 3 eevees, can i just keep resetting until i get a shiny patch?

Technically, you can get a Shiny at any time when using the Pokearadar, as I've said I started a chain with a Shiny Sentert, had no clue that was a Shiny Patch I walked into, I also had experience of walking in to a patch that shook just like a normal patch and I got a Shiny Chansey in it, I've gotten shinies at 2, 3, 10, 13, 33, ect. any number can bring up a Shiny patch, even at 0 like I've had happen. I guess it'd be fair to say the higher your chain the more likely the shiny patch will come up, but it's all just random numbers and stuff there is no guarantee...

My advice to all: Keep trying, if your chain breaks, try again. Keep trying till your chain works for you, all practice is good. I know it's frustrating, tedious, ect. But the hard work really pays off in the end. Buneary and Shinx I've had the most trouble with, no matter what my chain is at, no shinies have come up for me (I was reseting for like 2 hours for Buneary and nothing, I was at 40 and I was wondering... will it ever show up?) eh but that's stuff you can read on my posts in the Sinnoh journey journal thread.

Trainer Trance September 16th, 2007 7:52 PM

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Originally Posted by GameFortress (Post 2890687)
I'm not accusing you of lying, i'm using facts. Those are the ACTUAL released calculations in chaining pokemon, and I've taken college courses on statistics. You can tell me I'm full of bull, but the numbers aren't going to lie. Its way too easy for people to make up information to make themselves look better. You can't prove yourself up against the math.


Dude I'm not meaning to add to the flaming going on, but seriously, I'm sure that the college course on statistics didn't have a section on the randomness in a Pokemon game.

Just because a statistic says something doesn't mean that there aren't other factors to take in hand. There are chances, but that doesn't necessarily mean that you will never encounter a shiny until X amount of battles has happened.

The PokeRadar goes on its own randomness, obviously, as the higher your chain goes, the more frequent the shinies that you encounter. I've been watching these forums for some time now, and the two people you're trying to call liars seem extremely trustworthy to me. Maybe not to you.

They aren't the only people who've gotten multiple shinies from chaining. You hear about it alot.

Ok, and the original reason I came to this topic!

I finally got a good chain going!!

I caught a shiny Buizel in a 16 Pokemon chain! Pretty!!

ThePlaya September 16th, 2007 7:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Oniko (Post 2896010)
Dude I'm not meaning to add to the flaming going on, but seriously, I'm sure that the college course on statistics didn't have a section on the randomness in a Pokemon game.

Just because a statistic says something doesn't mean that there aren't other factors to take in hand. There are chances, but that doesn't necessarily mean that you will never encounter a shiny until X amount of battles has happened.

The PokeRadar goes on its own randomness, obviously, as the higher your chain goes, the more frequent the shinies that you encounter. I've been watching these forums for some time now, and the two people you're trying to call liars seem extremely trustworthy to me. Maybe not to you.

They aren't the only people who've gotten multiple shinies from chaining. You hear about it alot.

Ok, and the original reason I came to this topic!

I finally got a good chain going!!

I caught a shiny Buizel in a 16 Pokemon chain! Pretty!!

HAHA thank you Oniko...thats exactly what we have been telling him...he dosn't understand

Trainer Trance September 16th, 2007 8:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ThePlaya (Post 2896020)
HAHA thank you Oniko...thats exactly what we have been telling him...he dosn't understand

Well seriously though, think about it, if we went by his statistics, then nobody would trust anyone on this board because we'd all be hackers or cheaters.

ThePlaya September 16th, 2007 8:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Oniko (Post 2896068)
Well seriously though, think about it, if we went by his statistics, then nobody would trust anyone on this board because we'd all be hackers or cheaters.

true,true...its basically all luck but the more you chain the more of a chance you'll have on getting a shiny(i think).

Trainer Trance September 16th, 2007 8:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ThePlaya (Post 2896076)
true,true...its basically all luck but the more you chain the more of a chance you'll have on getting a shiny(i think).

That's how I've always thought of it, and that's how it's always been, if you ask me...

Gibbo September 17th, 2007 4:23 AM

The only shiny I've ever had on a full chain was Shinx at 40.
My other ones were Ralts at 18, Absol at like 10, and Lickitug at 4 but it wasn't even a shiny patch.
I suck so much usually.

ThePlaya September 17th, 2007 4:36 PM

ha me to.i still can't get a shiny but....i finnaly got up to 40!!!!!!!!:)....but i didnt find a shiny:(...oh well i kept trying and i got better.hopefully next time ill find a shiny.

Waffle-San September 17th, 2007 6:56 PM

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Originally Posted by GameFortress (Post 2889957)
I Highly doubt you got 7 shiny ponytas in that chain. As I explained and gave an example of before, the best you can get the chances of a shiney down to is 1/200. That means you seeing 8 shiney ponytas would be next to impossible. 1/several billion. No way, no how.

I don't see the logic in this. Once you get 1 shiny, the odds arn't reset there still at 1/200 or whatever your at, at this time. You have a 0.5%(when you get there) chance of getting a shiny everytime the grass rumbles. Now I know the chance of getting 8 isn't great but its still possible.


Anyways, my highest chain is 25 on a Bidoof, no shiny. Only shiny I've ever caught was on the 11th battle of a 12 Floayzel chain.

ThePlaya September 17th, 2007 8:45 PM

hmmmm......no luck with me yet...damn come out shinys.

Trainer Trance September 17th, 2007 8:47 PM

*plays PokeFlute for ThaPlaya to wake up all the shiny Pokemon he's been missin out on*

That would be a strange coincidence if they just randomly started showin up on your game.

ThePlaya September 17th, 2007 9:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Oniko (Post 2899463)
*plays PokeFlute for ThaPlaya to wake up all the shiny Pokemon he's been missin out on*

That would be a strange coincidence if they just randomly started showin up on your game.

lol...yup it would be a strange coencidence but it might happend.......nah......i have shinys that i got traded but i never caught one my self...i only have 3 or 4 i forgot.do you have any?

Trainer Trance September 17th, 2007 10:00 PM

I listed in another topic which ones I had... Maybe that was at a different site...


Yep, at another site. A Digimon site at that, LOL!!

<My first shiny NOT INCLUDING THE RED GYARADOS!! was a Butterfree from the National Park game in Silver, then about 2 weeks later I found a shiny Donphan in my Gold version. Crystal Version, I think I had a shiny pidgey, which made me mad at the time.

Sapphire gave me a shiney Pelipper (ugh hate those things). Emerald actually gave me a Shiny Wailmer, I believe. in my Leaf Green I had ran into a shiny Magikarp (excitedly!) and evolved him, sent him to Pearl.

In Pearl, I ran across a shiny Golbat, evolved her to Crobat, and now she's my flyer.

Recently, i was messing around on Leaf Green for no reason and found a shiny Poliwag, which is now a shiny Poliwhirl waiting to be traded so that I can get a shiny Politoed (my favorite of all Pokemon, strangely lol). Just wish his belly wasn't pink.>


There's my list of Shinies!


EDIT :: Yeah that's like 2 weeks old lol

ThePlaya September 17th, 2007 10:52 PM

wow......now you have luck...unlike me ill never have that kind of luck

Indian Barbie September 18th, 2007 6:11 AM

The longest chain I've had was 6 bidoofs and never seen a shiny. I'm so bad :(

Gibbo September 18th, 2007 6:43 AM

Argh yesterday I was sitting pretty on a chain of 40 Gastly and was just resetting the radar a bunch, when walking around for enough steps I didn't pay attention and ran into a patch! Stupid Staravia!

-Jirachi- September 18th, 2007 12:11 PM

Ok where does Gastly appear in grass?

And my highest chain was 19 Cubones but it got broke by a bloody Raltz lol

PrinceSushi September 18th, 2007 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by -Jirachi- (Post 2900887)
Ok where does Gastly appear in grass?

And my highest chain was 19 Cubones but it got broke by a bloody Raltz lol

I believe Ghastly shows up at night on route 209.

ThePlaya September 18th, 2007 5:07 PM

yeah i think so......thats what happend to me once when chaining....i acciedntaly ran into another patch i didnt want to go in:(

Shadow Myuutsu September 18th, 2007 6:11 PM

How do you chain so good.

When I chained I didnt get that far I only got about 8 at the most and got no shinies.

ThePlaya September 18th, 2007 6:18 PM

i cant chain that well.....just check out my video in the first page all the way on the top and it teaches you how...its very helpful

Shadow Myuutsu September 18th, 2007 6:19 PM

Did you train or something because I suck.

ThePlaya September 18th, 2007 6:39 PM

train for what??chaining????if you are talking about chaining...no i didnt train

ShadowTails September 18th, 2007 6:45 PM

You know what I hate the most, is when you reset the radar and you think a shiny patch came up behind your character, but you're not sure, but you don't wanna step into it because you're afraid it isn't a shiny patch and it'll break your chain... I think it was but I don't wanna lose my chain... GOD I just wish someone would find the graphics in the rom and relase them so I could put Hikari/Dawn in front of them to see if it WAS a shiny patch =\... I'm not sure what to do and leaving my DS on draining battery isn't going to help.

ThePlaya September 18th, 2007 6:48 PM

yup the character blocks the view completely.....and sometimes i see a patch shaking going up(the way that that one patch is blocked)and i take a step.......boom my chain is broken....it churns out that the patch shook and i couldnt see it that well.have had several chains get broken because of this.

GameFortress September 18th, 2007 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.May16 (Post 2899188)
I don't see the logic in this. Once you get 1 shiny, the odds arn't reset there still at 1/200 or whatever your at, at this time. You have a 0.5%(when you get there) chance of getting a shiny everytime the grass rumbles. Now I know the chance of getting 8 isn't great but its still possible.


Anyways, my highest chain is 25 on a Bidoof, no shiny. Only shiny I've ever caught was on the 11th battle of a 12 Floayzel chain.

Never said it wasn't possible, just said its next to impossible. I'm making my own pokemon game, so those of you who are claiming I have no clue what goes into the programming of chaining are wrong. And no, they didn't teach me about pokemon games in AP statistics, but they did teach me how to calculate the probability of a statistical event, which can include catching a shiney pokemon. There is math behind pokemon games people, trust me. And listen, you don't all need to accuse me of flaming, or get mad at me for this and that. I'm just saying that it is VERY unlikely that it happened. I'm not saying its impossible to get shineys from chaining, i'm not saying its impossible to get more than 1 shiney from a chain, I just said its very unlikely to get 8 shineys in one chain. Don't blow it out of proportion here. Its not flaming, its just my opinion, which is based on facts.

Here is what the odds really are:

His Highest Chain: 113
Number of Shineys: 8

so the odds of getting a shiney after 40 chains are 1/200, He did 113 chains, the chances of getting a shiney before then are pretty minimal, but we'll assume he got one shiney in the first 40 ( which is generous ). So that leaves us with 73 chains to get the other 7 at the odds of 1/200. The probability of this happening, while being generous, is .000000036. Which by any statistical standards, is horrible. 1 in 27,777,777. ( 27 million, 777 thouand, 777 )

So yes, its possible I suppose.

TheWishmkr September 19th, 2007 4:48 AM

my highest was 40 with Meditie then i had to go bed for school :( so i left it on got up in the morning and forgot to repel :( oh i was pissed....

and there is NO math to shinies its random man, i was told to imagine a 8000 ( or whatever the shiny rate is) sided dice and pick one number that number is the shiny and to keep rolling it
thats how i was taught lol

Gibbo September 19th, 2007 7:35 AM

I wonder, am I the only one that gets nervous as his chain gets higher out of fear of running into a bad patch?

ShadowTails September 19th, 2007 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by GameFortress (Post 2902664)
Never said it wasn't possible, just said its next to impossible. I'm making my own pokemon game, so those of you who are claiming I have no clue what goes into the programming of chaining are wrong. And no, they didn't teach me about pokemon games in AP statistics, but they did teach me how to calculate the probability of a statistical event, which can include catching a shiney pokemon. There is math behind pokemon games people, trust me. And listen, you don't all need to accuse me of flaming, or get mad at me for this and that. I'm just saying that it is VERY unlikely that it happened. I'm not saying its impossible to get shineys from chaining, i'm not saying its impossible to get more than 1 shiney from a chain, I just said its very unlikely to get 8 shineys in one chain. Don't blow it out of proportion here. Its not flaming, its just my opinion, which is based on facts.

Here is what the odds really are:

His Highest Chain: 113
Number of Shineys: 8

so the odds of getting a shiney after 40 chains are 1/200, He did 113 chains, the chances of getting a shiney before then are pretty minimal, but we'll assume he got one shiney in the first 40 ( which is generous ). So that leaves us with 73 chains to get the other 7 at the odds of 1/200. The probability of this happening, while being generous, is .000000036. Which by any statistical standards, is horrible. 1 in 27,777,777. ( 27 million, 777 thouand, 777 )

So yes, its possible I suppose.

I realize what you're trying to say, but you can never be exact, even if there is a chance of something happening doesn't mean it will, you said I had a better chance of being struck by lightening 7 times, I haven't even been struck once, chances doesn't equal what can actually happen... That's what a Chance is, it's not exact, and let me tell you... you can either be lucky with the Pokeradar, or unlucky... it just happens. I know some people who only had to reset their game a few times to get a Shiny starter, and even if you encounter 8000 something Pokemon you're not guaranteed to get a Shiny after you see the next one, you can go on and on without seeing one, it's just a chance nothing in a chance is ever exact.... I was reseting the radar for freaking ever, like 3 hours before the first shiny came up, and mind you that this chain was started august 27th and ended august 28th, since time doesn't effect the Pokeradar, none of them are exactly the same, I wouldn't see any point in cloning a Shiny Pokemon, I mean I'm not even trying to trade them for personal gain... It's just a chance is a chance, not exact.

I don't think anyone has cracked the entire method of how the Pokeradar is programed, even if there is a 1/200 chance, that doesn't mean I got a Shiny within the reseting of the radar I have been reseting the radar over 100 times, and no shinies, and yesterday I chained Zangoose up to 40 and got NO shinies... so see not everyone gets a shiny on their chain, and not everyone believes in chances, because to be technical I've gotten 3 shinies on Pearl that weren't in shiny patches, so chances are just chances... not exact probability of something happening, if there is a red marble in a bag with 8 green marbles, there is still a chance that I'd pick a red marble each time, doesn't mean I will or wont pick it each time.

Also according to my game, I haven't even encountered 8000 Pokemon yet...

ThePlaya September 19th, 2007 2:50 PM

where does it say how many pokes you have encounterd???i saw it a while ago but i forgot.

GameFortress September 19th, 2007 3:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ShadowTails (Post 2903603)
I realize what you're trying to say, but you can never be exact, even if there is a chance of something happening doesn't mean it will, you said I had a better chance of being struck by lightening 7 times, I haven't even been struck once, chances doesn't equal what can actually happen... That's what a Chance is, it's not exact, and let me tell you... you can either be lucky with the Pokeradar, or unlucky... it just happens. I know some people who only had to reset their game a few times to get a Shiny starter, and even if you encounter 8000 something Pokemon you're not guaranteed to get a Shiny after you see the next one, you can go on and on without seeing one, it's just a chance nothing in a chance is ever exact.... I was reseting the radar for freaking ever, like 3 hours before the first shiny came up, and mind you that this chain was started august 27th and ended august 28th, since time doesn't effect the Pokeradar, none of them are exactly the same, I wouldn't see any point in cloning a Shiny Pokemon, I mean I'm not even trying to trade them for personal gain... It's just a chance is a chance, not exact.

I don't think anyone has cracked the entire method of how the Pokeradar is programed, even if there is a 1/200 chance, that doesn't mean I got a Shiny within the reseting of the radar I have been reseting the radar over 100 times, and no shinies, and yesterday I chained Zangoose up to 40 and got NO shinies... so see not everyone gets a shiny on their chain, and not everyone believes in chances, because to be technical I've gotten 3 shinies on Pearl that weren't in shiny patches, so chances are just chances... not exact probability of something happening, if there is a red marble in a bag with 8 green marbles, there is still a chance that I'd pick a red marble each time, doesn't mean I will or wont pick it each time.

Also according to my game, I haven't even encountered 8000 Pokemon yet...

Oh I know, i'm just saying the odds were 1/27 million. And thats the calculated number. Just like we know its 1/200 if you have a chain of 40+. Its a probability. And I'm not an idiot, I realise that it COULD possibly happen, I even admitted to it. I never said "you must get struck by lightning 7 times before its possible to get that chain" nor did I say "you only get a shiney pokemon in the wild after encountering 8000 or more pokemon" I just said that looking at the probabilities, you're more likely to get struck by lightning than get that chain. Although that was an exaggeration obviously.

ThePlaya September 19th, 2007 3:36 PM

no the odds arnt 1/27 million......thats way too high...its like 1/200 the lowest you can go but i dont know which number chain that is....but 1/200...thats pretty good.

GameFortress September 19th, 2007 3:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ThePlaya (Post 2904374)
no the odds arnt 1/27 million......thats way too high...its like 1/200 the lowest you can go but i dont know which number chain that is....but 1/200...thats pretty good.

No, 1/27million is the calculated probability of getting 8 shineys in a chain of 113.

ThePlaya September 19th, 2007 3:44 PM

i doubt that....for real i think your wrong about that.

Zet September 19th, 2007 11:55 PM

1.220703125% = 1.22%
that is the actual chance of getting a shiny without radar i got that percentage with science well actually its done like this 1 divide by 8192 multiply by 10000 since having 0.01220703125 by just multiplying is just silly

pokemon_mistress September 20th, 2007 12:00 AM

Wow this is a really good video.

Thanks, I thought shinies were just luck and the pokeradar was just to save time from running around in the grass to battle wild pokemon.

ShadowTails September 20th, 2007 12:11 PM

does it really matter that much? I mean, I have 8 Shiny Slakoths, 6 Shiny Starlys, 4 shiny Zigzagoons... 6 of my Slakoths are bad natured even with a Synchronize Pokemon in the front of my party, 2 were Adamant, rest were Neutral Natured...

I have also just had luck I guess, I mean look how many total shinies I have, and look how many times I've chained and got nothing, as I said I was working on that Slakoth chain and 2 hours later the first shiny patch came up. Chaining can be random, I've had pleanty of chains where I've gotten no shinies or they are hiding really well... I've had shinies that broke my chain... One time I was chaining Smeargle and I really wasn't trying to get a lot of shinies, I just kept going to good looking patches, advancing my chain, reseting when I felt the need to because of bad patches... I managed to catch 5 of those and one was Jolly luckily, I didn't have ANY synchronize Pokemon in my part... I don't think the set chances make it that unlikely to get a Shiny, even when I really wasn't trying to get more I got them.

ThePlaya September 20th, 2007 3:05 PM

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Originally Posted by pokemon_mistress (Post 2905322)
Wow this is a really good video.

Thanks, I thought shinies were just luck and the pokeradar was just to save time from running around in the grass to battle wild pokemon.

your welcome
always happy to help:)
yup that video helped me alot aswell....and i mean a lot

but i still have no luck wiht shinys....im better since now i get to over 30 chains faster....but alwasy get broken:(

evilcheese September 20th, 2007 5:13 PM

highest chain 10 zubats and i bet i wouldnt get any shinies if i didnt have the action replay code on

ShadowTails September 20th, 2007 7:26 PM

For other tips, I suggest watching a few videos that people have done where they show you them chaining to 40 and reseting for the Shiny Patch, I know there is one for Ralts... I am just about as careful as he is while I chain, but yeah... I love getting a Shiny Pokemon because most of them just look awesome, but many look just fine in their normal form... I have to limit myself to the number of Shinies I EV train/Use on teams because n00bs will accuse me of hacking =\... I guess I could start posting my horrible quality videos of me catching the shinies on Youtube... eh...

ThePlaya September 20th, 2007 8:14 PM

yeah...ppl would start accusing you of hacking:(..even though i know you dont:).
anyways ppl i still havnt had any luck catching a shiny:(.....but still trying:)

pokemon_mistress September 20th, 2007 11:06 PM

Just a couple of questions to make this all clear.

Is the chance of getting a shiny patch higher the more you have on your chain?

It seems to be becaus people are going up to 40 and then are resetting their radars all the time.

I got up to 26 wit doduo! No shiny though.... stupid bidoof!! Aargh!

Thanks!! :D

Toothache September 21st, 2007 6:49 AM

I don't think the length of the chain matters, it's just all based on luck as far as I can tell.

This is probably been answered before, but can you use Repels and still use the Pokeradar? I hate getting my chains interruped.

zer0vrs September 21st, 2007 8:24 AM

ive been having rotten luck as of late. ive tried chaining ghastly, eevee, ralts and even lickitung...nothing! hopefully, i'll get lucky later today, and im gonna try and chain ralts again

mko September 21st, 2007 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Toothache (Post 2909217)
I don't think the length of the chain matters, it's just all based on luck as far as I can tell.

This is probably been answered before, but can you use Repels and still use the Pokeradar? I hate getting my chains interruped.

yes, of course. You are supposed to use repels while using radar.

ShadowTails September 21st, 2007 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by pokemon_mistress (Post 2908747)
Just a couple of questions to make this all clear.

Is the chance of getting a shiny patch higher the more you have on your chain?

It seems to be becaus people are going up to 40 and then are resetting their radars all the time.

I got up to 26 wit doduo! No shiny though.... stupid bidoof!! Aargh!

Thanks!! :D

Yes, And Doduo was my first set of Pokeradar shinies =D. Before I even knew what the Shiny Patch looked like, but I would've gotten 3 had that Pokemart guy not been there =\...

ThePlaya September 21st, 2007 3:16 PM

why what did he do??????the pokemart guy

ShadowTails September 21st, 2007 4:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ThePlaya (Post 2910683)
why what did he do??????the pokemart guy

He was standing in the patch that had a Shiny Pokemon in it. The sparkles appeared right where he was standing.

pokemon_mistress September 21st, 2007 9:19 PM

ouch that would hurt.

So the higher the chain, the more chance of a shiny coz everyone starts reseting at 40.

ThePlaya September 21st, 2007 10:12 PM

yup pretty much everyone does...and shadowtails that really sucks haha...ill would have send my charizard to burn him

pokemon_mistress September 22nd, 2007 1:29 AM

grrr i was trying to chain corsola but then all of a sudden the grass path turns quiet!!

Grr! I went up to 22, didn't beat the doduos though.

And I tried to chain swinub but its impossible in that big blizzard!!

ShadowTails September 22nd, 2007 5:35 AM

Hmm... Route 217... isn't that the route with the Ice Rock and the route you evolve Eevee on?

Murky September 22nd, 2007 9:10 AM

14 Ponyta's but no luck with shiny so far.

RAWR ^_^ September 22nd, 2007 10:09 AM

>:[

Not Very Happy

I Was Chaining Absol And What Appears
A Bloody Shellos :|||
I was doing well aswell I was on 21 :|

Anyone got any tips For mE?

ShadowTails September 22nd, 2007 3:56 PM

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Originally Posted by PkMn Trainer Jay (Post 2914977)
>:[

Not Very Happy

I Was Chaining Absol And What Appears
A Bloody Shellos :|||
I was doing well aswell I was on 21 :|

Anyone got any tips For mE?

I would suggest just trying again, I think you got higher than I did when I was chaining him yesterday, that area isn't one of the best places to chain but it can work sometimes =\... I wasn't having any luck.

ThePlaya September 22nd, 2007 4:04 PM

does anyone know why this happens

i was chaining a shinx and then like the pokeradar music just stopped and the regular music started playing again and like everything was back to normal....then my chain was ended:(

do any of you people know what happend??its happend to me twice already and i get relly mad

Razer302 September 22nd, 2007 4:08 PM

When I chain Absol I go to the bit that is up the rock wall. It is easier than at the bit with all the trees. Absol is hard to chain. I have never had over 30.

pokemon_mistress September 22nd, 2007 5:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ThePlaya (Post 2916825)
does anyone know why this happens

i was chaining a shinx and then like the pokeradar music just stopped and the regular music started playing again and like everything was back to normal....then my chain was ended:(

do any of you people know what happend??its happend to me twice already and i get relly mad

i know! that's what happened to me with corsola. sometimes the grass patch just turns quiet, no pokémon were picked up by the radar. :(

ThePlaya September 22nd, 2007 6:08 PM

so it happened to both of us.......can anyone answer our questions?

ShadowTails September 22nd, 2007 6:15 PM

Yes, that is when you walk out of range of the Pokeradar, I can't remember the exact step number it is, I think the limit is 6 steps away from at least 1 patch that shook on screen then it loses the chain, it's happened to me a lot, but the oddest thing was when I was chaining Shinx, got to 40 reset one time and "the patch fell silent" =\ just make sure you find somewhere safe to walk up and down without getting all of the patches that shook off screen.

By the way, if people still don't know I wrote up a guide and it got moved to the FAQ, which can answer some/most of these questions, I can't exactly edit my post unless I ask a Mod to which I'm going to probably need to rewrite the guide soon.

ThePlaya September 22nd, 2007 6:18 PM

yeah ive seen it and it was what got me started on looking for shinys:)

i thought that was the reason for why that happend..thanks:)


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