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Jimmyray September 15th, 2007 10:26 AM

My Umbreon
 
Currently my Umbreon is like this:

[email protected]
Careful
Synchronize
EV's: 252 Defense 252 Sp.Defence 4 HP

Swagger
Toxic
Subsitute
Moonlight

Any good?

Sora_8920 September 15th, 2007 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimmyray (Post 2888251)
Currently my Umbreon is like this:

[email protected]
Careful
Synchronize
EV's: 252 Defense 252 Sp.Defence 4 HP

Swagger
Toxic
Subsitute
Moonlight

Any good?

Umbreon @:Leftovers
Trait: Synchronize
BOLD/IMPISH Nature
Taunt
Wish
Baton Pass
Mean Look. It is meant to be a Defensive pokemon, so don't ask.

Jimmyray September 15th, 2007 10:46 AM

I don't eally like that set. What if it was your last pokemon? You'd be f***ed

Sora_8920 September 15th, 2007 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimmyray (Post 2888358)
I don't eally like that set. What if it was your last pokemon? You'd be f***ed

The truth is, that you're gonna send out it first. And Umbreon is meant to be defensive. Use your own set and lose, if you want, just be sure to take other people's advice and not say "I don't like your set" all the time.

Anti September 15th, 2007 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimmyray (Post 2888251)
Currently my Umbreon is like this:

[email protected]
Careful
Synchronize
EV's: 252 Defense 252 Sp.Defence 4 HP

Swagger
Toxic
Subsitute
Moonlight

Any good?

No. To answer your question. First of all, wish is much better than moonlight, so if you want a healing move, use wish. Second, toxic trapping fails IMO. It's never worked well for me. 3rd, umbreon needs a defenseive advantage, but you take that away by giving it swagger. So, no, your set isn't good, here's the standard:

[email protected]
Bold/Impish
252 HP (you HAVE to max HP, spliting defenses is just...no) and 252 defense, 6 SpD
~Mean Look
~Baton Pass
~Wish/Taunt/Substitute/Curse/Confuse Ray/Toxic
~Wish/Taunt/Substitute/Curse/Confuse Ray/Toxic

The only way to use umbreon effectively, and Itachi's set was actually better...and BTW, if you use it right, umbreon shouldn't ever be your last pokemon...

Persona September 15th, 2007 11:11 AM

Toxic works over Taunt if you want to induce any damage. They're both helpful and useful options, it's your personal preference as to what you want to use, really.

Sora_8920 September 15th, 2007 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 2888474)
No. To answer your question. First of all, wish is much better than moonlight, so if you want a healing move, use wish. Second, toxic trapping fails IMO. It's never worked well for me. 3rd, umbreon needs a defenseive advantage, but you take that away by giving it swagger. So, no, your set isn't good, here's the standard:

[email protected]
Bold/Impish
252 HP (you HAVE to max HP, spliting defenses is just...no) and 252 defense, 6 SpD
~Mean Look
~Baton Pass
~Wish/Taunt/Substitute/Curse/Confuse Ray/Toxic
~Wish/Taunt/Substitute/Curse/Confuse Ray/Toxic

The only way to use umbreon effectively, and Itachi's set was actually better...and BTW, if you use it right, umbreon shouldn't ever be your last pokemon...



Yep. Thank you Anti. Ev's: 248 hp/132 def/120 sp.def

Anti September 15th, 2007 11:16 AM

Meh. Not in 4th gen. Umbreon needs maxed Defense to survive those brutal physical sweepers...which is quite a shame, but is true...and switchi f you see heracross! Obvious, but once I left umbreon in...and you know the rest.

Sora_8920 September 15th, 2007 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 2888513)
Meh. Not in 4th gen. Umbreon needs maxed Defense to survive those brutal physical sweepers...which is quite a shame, but is true...and switchi f you see heracross! Obvious, but once I left umbreon in...and you know the rest.

Yep. Two moves which can either do a lot of damage to it, or OHKO it. Which Are: Close Combat (Real deadly). And Megahorn (Not as brutal).

Anti September 15th, 2007 11:19 AM

Megahorn coming from a CBcross, of course having STAB, I'm pretty sure OHKOs it. And yes, with the edition of close combat, umbreon has lost considerable power, and the only other pokemon that can BP traps is arados(sp) I believe.

Sora_8920 September 15th, 2007 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 2888537)
Megahorn coming from a CBcross, of course having STAB, I'm pretty sure OHKOs it. And yes, with the edition of close combat, umbreon has lost considerable power, and the only other pokemon that can BP traps is arados(sp) I believe.

Yep. Good Trapper, another one is:

Crobat @:Focus Sash
Trait: Inner Focus
Jolly/Adamant Nature
Haze
Confuse Ray
Mean Look
Aerial Ace/Quick Attack/X-scissor/Brave Bird/Hypnosis/Whirlwind (Works great with Spikes)./Curse/Roost. And what do you know? Right next to Ariados in the pokedex.

shedinjask September 15th, 2007 4:00 PM

Thread contribution:

Umbreon @ Leftovers
252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef -- Impish/Bold
Wish
Protect
Charm
Yawn

It works for me.


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