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luke September 15th, 2007 12:31 PM

Magmortar
 
How's this for the ugly Pokemon:

[email protected] Belt
Nature: Mild
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 252 Sp.Atk, 224 Spd, 34 Atk

Flamethrower
Thunderbolt
HP Ice/Will-o-Wisp
Cross Chop

I've always preferred the Magmar Line over Electabuzz's. I'm upset they didn't give him a cool ability like Electivire though.

Persona September 15th, 2007 12:36 PM

I'd rather use HP Ice over Overheat, but it's fine. Take caution against Stealth Rockers and Sand Streamers. Also, how about trying Focus Punch / Cross Chop over Focus Blast, and giving it an Expert Belt? A little less EVs in speed and more to attack in this case.

Jimmyray September 15th, 2007 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Porygon-Z (Post 2888855)
How's this for the ugly Pokemon:

[email protected]ce Scarf/Specs
Nature: Modest
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 252 Speed, 252 Special Attack, 4 HP

Flamethrower
Thunderbolt
Focus Blast
Overheat Psychic

Overheat is bad as it lowers Sp.Attack which is valuble to Magmortar. PLus you already have Flamethrower to cover it.

I personally prefer him over Electivire. Suggestions?

There you go, a little suggestion.

Persona September 15th, 2007 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimmyray (Post 2888884)
There you go, a little suggestion.

Psychic doesn't have great coverage and is better off with STAB if used.

Jimmyray September 15th, 2007 12:47 PM

It's a high power special sweeping attack, so it's not bad. FP is bad as Magmortar has horrible attack.

Persona September 15th, 2007 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimmyray (Post 2888920)
FP is bad as Magmortar has horrible attack.

Obviously you don't get the point. It surprises your opponent into thinking that Magmortar only uses special attacks. Watch as they bring in a special wall of some sort, and then you attack with Focus Punch / Cross Chop. In this case, you would most likely need to predict.

Anti September 15th, 2007 1:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shirosaki (Post 2888934)
Obviously you don't get the point. It surprises your opponent into thinking that Magmortar only uses special attacks. Watch as they bring in a special wall of some sort, and then you attack with Focus Punch / Cross Chop. In this case, you would most likely need to predict.

Yes, exactly. Psychic rerally shouldn't ever be used, unless a pokemon like Zam gets STAB from it. Magmortar doesn't have as bad attack as you say he does Jimmyray, and could definately pull off a surprise mix sweeper set.

luke September 15th, 2007 1:03 PM

Yeah, I was thinking of using him as a Mixed Sweeper, but I wasn't sure where to go. Trust me - from my experience, Psychic sucks without STAB. That's why I didn't bother putting it up there. So:

[email protected] Belt
Nature: Mild
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 200 Special Attack, 164 HP, 104 Attack, 40 Speed (Terrible with EVs)

Flamethrower
Thunderbolt
HP Ice
Cross Chop

Persona September 15th, 2007 1:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Porygon-Z (Post 2889005)
EVs: 200 Special Attack, 164 HP, 104 Attack, 40 Speed (Terrible with EVs)

34 Atk / 252 Sp.Atk / 224 Spd

^ That's what I use. It doesn't necessarily need much attack EVs.

luke September 15th, 2007 1:07 PM

As noted, I'm terrible with EV Spreads. That 95 Base Attack stat is pretty impressive.

Persona September 15th, 2007 1:13 PM

Just a note, if obtaining HP Ice is too much of a bother, Will-O-Wisp is an acceptable option too. Dragons and others such as Rhyperior get scared.

Samson September 15th, 2007 3:43 PM

i use my magmortar as a starter with focus sash and will-o-wisp. it's probably not the best thing to do with it, but it's effective, and i appreciate effective.

i suppose magmortar could do choice specs, choice scarf, SubPunch or just plain life orb sweeper.

Azonic September 16th, 2007 5:54 AM

[email protected] Orb
Trait: Flame Body
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 SATK/252 SPEED/4 HP

Flamethrower
HP Ice
Thunderbolt
Will-o-wisp


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