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WizardBlue September 21st, 2007 1:06 PM

Old games are better?!?
 
Okay, so I'm playing pokemon crystal right now and I just think its much better than my Pokemon Emerald or my pokemon Mystery Dungeon. Who thinks the old pokemon games are better?!!? I really think so.. besides, they did a great job with their first game.:t359: POKEMON RULES!!

Pokefan2008 September 21st, 2007 1:09 PM

yeah,i agree,they were cool




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Shiver September 21st, 2007 1:15 PM

I think they are harder than the newer versions, but then that might just be me. :D

RadioactiveRice September 21st, 2007 3:04 PM

I agree definitley, its just so easy in the new games

Tanooki September 21st, 2007 3:11 PM

Kind of weird you put an Absol icon in a topic about older games. =P

I like the older games better, personally, but the newer ones have a growth on me. Which is surprising: I thought most of the new games were going to suck when they came out. Long running series have a tendancy to go stale after a while, but Pokemon (the video games anyways, the TV show sucks) has kept it worth playing and still has good entertainment value.

That said: the old games are still my personal favorites. They never get old in my opinion.

~*!*~Tatsujin Gosuto~*!*~ September 21st, 2007 4:16 PM

I still like the old games but I like the newer games better. I hardly play the old games anymore



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Gold Tom September 21st, 2007 4:40 PM

Of course there better! Because they wanted to optimize the gameplay experience not the sidequests and s***t like that.

MyNameMeansForest September 21st, 2007 5:25 PM

Yeah, side quests are fun, but they take away from all the battling. Plus, there are almost no glitches. In the advanced generation, the side quests were okay and all, and didn't take too much away from battling. In Emerald, they added the battle frontier, which made you think of other things than the pokemon's level and had the cloning glitch which ruled.
In Diamond and Pearl, everything is so ridiculously easy. Leveling up pokemon, battling, Victory Road, etc. The legendaries are too easy to catch. There are side quests galore and Team Galacic is retarded.

But that's my opinion. I love my first pokemon game, Blue.

johnnykenny1234 September 21st, 2007 6:27 PM

i love the battle frontier in emerald (havnt played d/p) but apart from that i must say the metal gen was awesome! 16 gyms! what more could you ask for although the elite 4 and red were very weak which was a dissapointment.

the colour gen was easily the hardest. gary was a solid rival unlike in the other games and he became champ so yes colour was 5 stars to :)

ronda124 September 22nd, 2007 12:38 PM

The best games in my opinion was gold/silver/crystal. I like the other games too but those ones were the best.

bull_44 September 23rd, 2007 6:16 AM

i think there well better than the new ones

Myoko-chan September 23rd, 2007 7:38 AM

Well yea, the only thing bad about old games are the graphics.

Which reminds me about a month ago, I found my pokemon crystal in an old box, put it in my bro's GBA, and we were like HOLY ______! The graphics hurt my eyes lul.

Te-em September 23rd, 2007 8:31 AM

The new games have more bad graphics, if you compare to the release year. Especially those on GC. My first and favorite pm-game is Silver. One of the reasons I like it is the large world map. The Pokemon sprites are ugly though, they look so fat and cute. The G/R/B/Y sprites are better.
I play the new games more though, since few people have the old onces and you cannot link old with new.

Lumine September 23rd, 2007 10:04 AM

Nah the new graphics really improved, but yeh I agree at that time Crystal was like the best classic Poke game

Te-em September 23rd, 2007 10:11 AM

At least the battle have bad graphics. SNES has better graphics. Pokemon does still not have a battle background and some animations looks like bugs in the game; for instance a Pokemon that shoots a water gun from the back of its neck.

Improfane September 23rd, 2007 10:51 AM

I'm tired of the constant battles in Ruby/Sapphire. Do they ever stop? Black Flute does practically nothing for me!

I've just started playing Crystal (my Silver version is hosed). It's so Japanesey! It's suprizing I knew what to do back with Silver!

Apathetic_Yen September 23rd, 2007 10:59 AM

yah D/P were good but they are still nothing compared to G/S/C even with the same functions as before.

Lumine September 23rd, 2007 11:05 AM

If D/P Functions were in G/S/C now thats awesome

bull_44 September 24th, 2007 1:33 PM

yes the graphics were crap but they where the best when they come out dont you agree :)

doesn't matter September 24th, 2007 3:07 PM

I unno. You'll always get that hint of nostaglia with the older games, which wil make them seem better since you're still under that illusion from when it first came out that it was awesome.

But yeah, I'd like to say that the older games (in particular, the GSC series), were better, but truth be told the newer games are indeed superior - they'd have to be, otherwise no one would buy them :P

Smarties-chan September 25th, 2007 4:33 AM

Gold Tom, do not bypass the censor. There's a reason for why certain words are censored and you should refrain from using such words on the forums altogether.

Bekki September 27th, 2007 12:55 AM

Can't argue with that the old one was the best. I still miss my Pokemon Crystal.

Harper September 27th, 2007 5:05 AM

I think the old ones were better... i dunno why. they made me feel better while i was playing them. it's like going home to the place you grew up in. But i have to say, i really love leaf green and fire red. firstly because they are basicaly blue and red but with better graphix and easier to play, which makes me feel like i'm laying the old ones again. but on the other hand leaf green is so easy to play, maybe it's just that i've finshed it and all i do is lvl them up but lvling up is a hell of a lot easier. i meen i can get a pokemon to lvl 90 easily. it's not hard like it was before... even ruby and saph were harder to lvl up on.
i'v got like 18 pokemon on lvl 90 and another 5 on their way.

I really think the originals were better, but i just cant play them anymore. the bag is hard to use, the combat is badly done etc... i dont even know why i like them... i just do! :)

Me2UJus4Free September 27th, 2007 7:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Shiver (Post 2910143)
I think they are harder than the newer versions, but then that might just be me. :D

That because you played Blue back when you were ten. All games seemed hard when your a kid.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Te-em (Post 2920067)
The new games have more bad graphics, if you compare to the release year. Especially those on GC. My first and favorite pm-game is Silver. One of the reasons I like it is the large world map. The Pokemon sprites are ugly though, they look so fat and cute. The G/R/B/Y sprites are better.
I play the new games more though, since few people have the old onces and you cannot link old with new.

Please let this be a parody. There is no way someone would think 8-bit graphics look better than 16-bit.

Npo, I don't think the old games where better. They where unbelieveably easy, and there wasn't much to do after you beat the Elite Four in R/B/Y. The Kanto regin in G/S/C was not even that fun. I don't even remember what happened in that regin. It was very forgetable.

Harper September 27th, 2007 7:55 AM

I DUNNO MAYBE THEY ARNT BETTER... BUT THEY STILL GIVE ME A TRIP DOWN MEMORY LANE... AND I PREFER LEAF GREEN TO THE OTHER PKMN GAMES FOR A REASON, COS IT REMINDS ME OF OLD TIMES.

Te-em September 29th, 2007 8:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Me2UJus4Free (Post 2933720)



Please let this be a parody. There is no way someone would think 8-bit graphics look better than 16-bit.

I said compared to th erelease year. Also compared to the console. The Stadium games looks better than Colloseum, since its N64 graphics. Colloseum is not GC graphics (was supposed to be released to N64 in the first place anyway).

I think the old games are harder. I played LeafGreen and there is a Rocket that has a very strong Pokemon in Green version. They've changed his Pokemon to weak ones and now he's easy.

WarHawk September 29th, 2007 8:21 AM

I agree with Te-em,I ALWAYS thought the old games were harder.

Te-em September 29th, 2007 9:40 AM

They also feel somewhat more serious. The battle music is not so speedy and "happy", it's more "serious battle"-music. I would like to hear that in the new games, but the closest is FR/LG. Whenever I play Green verison it feels like the main character is a Trainer that alone (with his Pokemon) will have to take on a lot of tough Trainers and his confident rival. In the new games the main character is surroundedby a lot of friends that encourage you and everything feels much lighter and easier. Even your rivals are friendly.

Shiny_Hunter September 29th, 2007 10:07 AM

I say the old games because they had a better plot then the new games.

Anti September 29th, 2007 10:19 AM

Since I'm into the whole competitive battling thing, the new games are better, since they have more moves and pokemon. D/P took a step back from ADV though IMO...pokemon had more charm in the older games, that's for sure. We were all new to it, so of course we all think those are the best. Ruby was my 1st PKMN game, and remains my favorite, probably because of that. We could then argue we all have biased opinions based on that...

ShadowTails September 29th, 2007 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Shiny_Hunter (Post 2941443)
I say the old games because they had a better plot then the new games.

o.o Excuse me? better plot my foot... it's the same exact thing each time "Team _____ is trying to accomplish _____ and you have to stop them, along the way beat the Gym Leaders and the Elite Four." I don't call that better than "Team Galatica is trying to accomplish taking over time/space and you have to stop them, along the way beat the Gym Leaders and the Eliete Four." It's the same exact thing in RYB/GSC, but in GSC you get a watered down Kanto and Pokemon that are way below level in the wild...

Te-em September 29th, 2007 10:43 AM

Yes, it's the same plot in all the games, but it was new in the old ones. That's why it was better in the old games, because then the plot was new. They should have changed it in the other games released after. In G/R/B it was original, now, it's not any more.

Shiny_Hunter September 29th, 2007 11:18 AM

sorry i meant to say it was a bit more challanging. At least in my opinion.

Anti September 29th, 2007 1:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Te-em (Post 2941639)
Yes, it's the same plot in all the games, but it was new in the old ones. That's why it was better in the old games, because then the plot was new. They should have changed it in the other games released after. In G/R/B it was original, now, it's not any more.

IT was still a suckt plot...I was about 8 years old and I predicted that, and thought it was "lame" lol...

Tamaki September 29th, 2007 2:55 PM

i prefer the newer games, only because they have better graphics, and im HUGE on good graphics

Improfane September 29th, 2007 3:03 PM

Me2UJus4Free (and you ShadowTails), you cannot refute the opinion that old school games are preferred by fans. It's like person A and B go on two rides together. Person B prefers one ride and tries to tell person A it is better. You are person B and you are wrong.
The older games are harder because there's no help menu built in game.
You can't rematch trainers. You don't always know what to do.

The newer games are technically superior but the old games have well designed Pokemon, storyline and are always memorable.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Me2UJus4Free
Please let this be a parody. There is no way someone would think 8-bit graphics look better than 16-bit.

Yes. I can. I don't really like the Pokemon in Pearl/Diamond. If I can play without them, in a game without bad Pokemon, I'll think that game (and its associated graphics) as better.

You're saying that if you put two pictures beside eachother - a RBY/GSC Charmander and compare it to a D/P Charmander. The D/P Charmander will look better. That is obvious. That is a technical superiority! You're comparing the graphics alone next to eachother. I don't play games only for graphics ;)

Ruby/Sapphire Pokemon were pushing it for me but Diamond and Pearl is just a joke.

Me2UJus4Free, you are way to hostile. Just accept that someone (fortunately) thinks different to you :)

Anti September 29th, 2007 4:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Improfane (Post 2942679)
Me2UJus4Free (and you ShadowTails), you cannot refute the opinion that old school games are preferred by fans. It's like person A and B go on two rides together. Person B prefers one ride and tries to tell person A it is better. You are person B and you are wrong.
The older games are harder because there's no help menu built in game.
You can't rematch trainers. You don't always know what to do.

The newer games are technically superior but the old games have well designed Pokemon, storyline and are always memorable.

Yes. I can. I don't really like the Pokemon in Pearl/Diamond. If I can play without them, in a game without bad Pokemon, I'll think that game (and its associated graphics) as better.

You're saying that if you put two pictures beside eachother - a RBY/GSC Charmander and compare it to a D/P Charmander. The D/P Charmander will look better. That is obvious. That is a technical superiority! You're comparing the graphics alone next to eachother. I don't play games only for graphics ;)

Ruby/Sapphire Pokemon were pushing it for me but Diamond and Pearl is just a joke.

Me2UJus4Free, you are way to hostile. Just accept that someone (fortunately) thinks different to you :)

I agree that D/P is a joke. the graphics continue to improve...ironically, the pokemon designs keep plummeting. Just look at happiny, or magmortar. I could've drawn something better than that!

TB Pro September 29th, 2007 9:44 PM

seriosly.I have drawn something better than that and i'm 13!They need to take time to design the pokemon like they did back in toe old games.but other than that I like the new games better.....kinda.

Harper September 29th, 2007 9:53 PM

Yeh, ive noticed some of the newer pokemon were... ugly
they just looked to unreal. i rekon they went in a downward spiral after G/S/C. those were the last of the good pkmn...

Te-em September 30th, 2007 5:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gonbeneko25 (Post 2942646)
i prefer the newer games, only because they have better graphics, and im HUGE on good graphics

I you think the Pokemon graphics are good you haven't played many other RPGs. And if you still think the graphics are good, I would like to know what makes you like them. I've heard many people say the graphics in Pocket Monsters are bad.
I should not complain too much on the field graphics, but the battle graphics are the worst.

DanKiba8 September 30th, 2007 1:03 PM

i think they are better but not better than diamond

Syaoran_2001 October 1st, 2007 1:09 PM

It's hard for me to think of Gold and Silver as being "old" or "classic," it doesn't seem that long ago that they came out. Maybe it's because I stopped playing Pokemon after Crystal was released and they still seem like they're the newest Pokemon games to me.

As for graphics. I love the graphics in G/S, they're pretty good for the Gameboy. Red and Blue graphics are a little worse, but they don't bother me, it's the Gameboy, I expect Gameboy graphics to look like that. Now what was really cool was putting Red/Blue or Gold/Silver in your Super Gameboy on the SNES and being able to play the game on your TV in full color, that was awesome.

Shiraishi October 1st, 2007 1:17 PM

Competitive battling only existed in pokemon stadium 2 until R/S/E so no. The only good thing about the only games is that they were fun to explore because no one really used the internet for those games. D/P is great.

SilencedShooter October 4th, 2007 12:42 PM

Crystal was a favorite of mine, and still is....Emerald is also a favorite of mine...Yellow was sweet...And I haven't played Diamond and Pearl...

I like them all, but I guess I like the "middle" ones the best. (GSC/RSE)

Syaoran_2001 October 4th, 2007 12:59 PM

Everyone keeps mentioning competitive battling, what does that mean? Aren't all battles competitive?

SilencedShooter October 4th, 2007 1:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Syaoran_2001 (Post 2961417)
Everyone keeps mentioning competitive battling, what does that mean? Aren't all battles competitive?

Battles with real people. It's a whole different ballgame compared to in-game trainers.

Me2UJus4Free October 4th, 2007 3:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Improfane (Post 2942679)
Blah, blah, blah. My words are truth lulz.

You should probably take your own advice, hun. It's called double standers, go look it up.

The newer games are better. They are more fun and have more side quest than the older game. You cannot deny that. Your opinion is completely bias and has no deph. Just because you have opinion does not make you right.

The Fallen October 4th, 2007 3:43 PM

I seem to get more joy out of the older games to be honest. It could quite possibly be because it brings back childhood memories and all that. Going over to friends how and link battling and trading to complete our pokedexes.

I know the graphics were far from what they are now, but the games were just all around better back then they are now for some reason.

Skelter October 4th, 2007 3:53 PM

I really think that the old ones were much better. For one, i liked the story better and i loved how you could collect 16 badges in silver-gold-crystal. If the game had the wi-fi capabilities that diamond and pearl have today, it'd definitely be one of the best games out there....

Nastara October 8th, 2007 6:32 PM

While nostalgia tells me Gold/Silver/Crystal are the best, D/P improved on it in almost every way. So no the older games aren't better. R/S/E even brought the challange factor back somewhat which was lacking in G/S/C.

Improfane October 9th, 2007 7:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Me2UJus4Free
Quote:

Originally Posted by Me2UJus4Free pretending to be me
Blah, blah, blah. My words are truth lulz.


Don't make up a quote because you do not know how to articulate a response ;) I expected as much. Side by side comparisons only work if they are in the exact form.

You should probably work on your persuasion skills. You will find that your delivery of opinion is to challenge everybody else. You only need to state your opinion.

Refer to my example below:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Improfane
It's like person A and B go on two rides together. Person B prefers one ride and tries to tell person A it is better. You are person B and you are wrong.

You are calling person A stupid because he doesn't like the same ride as you. This makes you a missing something.

This is a Pokemon board Not a religious debate, you are not debating laws of philosophy or anything. It was only a matter of time before someone like me pulls the carpet from your tower.

I like the old Pokemon games. Please deal with it in your own way - without trying to challenge it. If you want to know why, read the posts above (I doubt you read them).

Thanks for reading.
PM me if you need advice.

Ryu Hoshi October 9th, 2007 9:07 AM

Ah,yes the old games.how fun they were back in the day.I dont think theres one game better then the other.just prefrence.I perfer the new game because its diffrent.not better.but diffrent

Masami October 9th, 2007 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Te-em (Post 2920067)
The new games have more bad graphics, if you compare to the release year. Especially those on GC. My first and favorite pm-game is Silver. One of the reasons I like it is the large world map. The Pokemon sprites are ugly though, they look so fat and cute. The G/R/B/Y sprites are better.
I play the new games more though, since few people have the old onces and you cannot link old with new.

GC, as in Gamecube? I think the Gamecube Pokemon games looked fine.

Te-em October 9th, 2007 10:49 AM

They were supposed to be N64 games, but they were released to GC instead. I don't like them. I wonder why they did no animation for attacks that miss their target (as they had in Stadium). The battles are very slow and the Pokemon has a lack of detail and texture. If they wanted it too look like a cartoon why didn't they use cellshading on all of them. It looks like they've been made in a CAD program. At least it's bad compared to other GC games, but still playable.

MissMegano October 16th, 2007 1:52 PM

I love the classic games no doubt. My favorite games are G/S/C because of the setting. I just love Johto. And cyndaquil! Also because my first game was silver.

and, like so many others, I think Team Galactic is retarded. Plus, I think D/P could make better use of the touch screen. Sure, it's conveniant, but I think they could've been more creative.

Te-em October 16th, 2007 2:10 PM

Yes, I also think they could have used it more. I wished that they could have made it possible to walk around using the stylus, just as in FF3. That's one of the things I was dissappointed in, and the battle graphic of course.

Scales October 16th, 2007 3:34 PM

I loved Crystal. It was so awesome since I beat the pokemon league on the first try before I found out about Gameshark. I remember being a kid and playing the original Red/Blue games

Jonathan Paskiewicz October 20th, 2007 7:54 AM

I love oldest games! And newer games too. Silver version is my really first, I like to back play it after Diamond version. Oldest games are still great. I have Crystal, Ruby, FireRed, Emerald, and Diamond versions. I don't have other than PKMN RPGs for GameBoy and DS. PKMN RPGs only! I wish I get Red and Yellow versions with boxes and instruction manual books... T_T

Oldest games have both ways, easy and hard.

diamondpearl876 October 20th, 2007 8:19 AM

All of them pokemon games have their strong points and weak points, but I did like the second generation games the best.

Naemuti October 20th, 2007 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Me2UJus4Free (Post 2962090)
You should probably take your own advice, hun. It's called double standers, go look it up.

The newer games are better. They are more fun and have more side quest than the older game. You cannot deny that. Your opinion is completely bias and has no deph. Just because you have opinion does not make you right.

Oh, if only I had a dollar for how contradictory and stupid that statement was. First of all, you can't expect people to even regard your opinion as worth anything without even taking the time to spell it correctly, or even use spellcheck. Seriously, you're a lazy ****. Second, your opinion is more biased than anything, because all you've done is managed to attack him for his opinion without even giving a valid reason. Then you tell him, just because you have an opinion doesn't make you right. Maybe you should listen to your own, made up, edited quotes. They seem to apply to you.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Me2UJus4Free (Post 2962090)
Blah, blah, blah. My words are truth lulz.

Anyways, rant over. I think the old games were better, with the exception of Emerald. Crystal was THE only revolutionary game in the series. It introducted tons of game mechanics (day/night, week days, hold items, two new types, special split into two, Pokegear, the list goes on..), color, improved GB graphics, the pop up things when you enter a new place, and more than I can name here. The point is, RSE and DP were rehashes. Granted, the new music, pokemon, and graphics were nice and they were probably the best of the series, despite no day and night. But they were still rehashed. Diamond and Pearl were just a plain step back. Too much to do in between gyms, too many side quests, the graphics are actually WORSE than RSE, and there's too many Pokemon, most of them ugly or didn't have a lot of thought put into them. And the touch screen controls were horribly utilized. Not to mention, the trading system utilizes awful friend codes, or the poorly done Pal Park, that doesn't even go back to the old games (it's one-way). Obviously, you can tell I hate D/P. Don't even get me started on how bad the spinoffs are done and how boring they are, and don't help to add to Pokemon's already kiddy image the general public seems to percieve.

So, based on what I said above, Emerald or FireRed is my favorite game, with Crystal just a sliver behind, and Red a sliver behind that purely out of nostalgia.


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