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Tsuroerusu September 25th, 2007 1:29 AM

When to evolve Pokemon that evolve through tradng?
 
I'm wondering, in the case of Pokémon that you can evolve at any given point in time like Onix, is there a certain point when it's better to evolve them? For instance I know some final evolutions of Pokémon don't learn moves that their pre-evolved forms might, however this is not the case with Onix (Which is the guy I am going to have evolve).

I got my Onix at lv. 12 with EV training complete, so my thinking was that if I evolve it now, it's base stats are gonna change, and based on that, it's stats at lv. 100 would be higher depending on what the changes are.

Am I completely in the ditch, in terms of theories? Or does it not matter when I make Onix evolve?

As a sidenote, yes I know some of you are gonna say that Onix isn't really that great etc. etc. However, it's one of my favorite Pokémon, so of course I want one :P

Angelic Diablo September 25th, 2007 1:43 AM

Statwise it doesnt matter... move wise is the only reason to delay evolution, but most trade evolutions they learn at the same level, so it's up to you I guess

Tsuroerusu September 25th, 2007 1:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Angelic Diablo (Post 2926521)
Statwise it doesnt matter... move wise is the only reason to delay evolution, but most trade evolutions they learn at the same level, so it's up to you I guess

Okay, thank you for the info. Well, time to steel-up Onix! ;)

HoundoomOfTheDarkness September 25th, 2007 1:52 AM

What Angelic Diablo says is true. However, sometimes trade evolutions are a give-and-take kinda thing. For one thing, sometimes the moves are different between the forms. Also, sometimes some stats rise during evolution while others fall. A prime example is Scizor. When it evolves, its Attack and Defense go up while its speed drops like crazy.

However, as for Onix, in any circumstance Steelix has huge stats. But... are you aware you need to trade Onix holding a Metal Coat to evolve it? You've got a Metal Coat, right? And somebody to trade with? 'Cuz that's what you'll need.

And I'm not gonna complain that Onix or Steelix aren't good. It's not worth complaining when someone tries something unique. I went to the wi-fi Battle Tower room once and, seriously, every other battle had either Salamence or Garchomp.

Well have fun with your evolution dilemma!

Tsuroerusu September 25th, 2007 2:09 AM

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Originally Posted by HoundoomOfTheDarkness (Post 2926524)
However, as for Onix, in any circumstance Steelix has huge stats. But... are you aware you need to trade Onix holding a Metal Coat to evolve it? You've got a Metal Coat, right? And somebody to trade with? 'Cuz that's what you'll need.

Yes, I am aware of that. It may not seem like it, judging by all the newbie questions I have been asking lately, but I am actually a Pokemon veteran. I first played Pokemon Red in 1998, and I've been a die hard fan ever since. Woo, 9 years! That's a long time! :P

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Originally Posted by HoundoomOfTheDarkness
And I'm not gonna complain that Onix or Steelix aren't good. It's not worth complaining when someone tries something unique. I went to the wi-fi Battle Tower room once and, seriously, every other battle had either Salamence or Garchomp.

Thanks, I appreciate that. :)

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Originally Posted by HoundoomOfTheDarkness
Well have fun with your evolution dilemma!

Will do! :)

Toadboy September 25th, 2007 4:55 AM

I asked the same question to my self recently when i started my new Diamond game. I have a graveler and was wondering when to evolve it to golem. The only difference between the two was one move around level 40. Graveler got one, where Golem got a different one. I can't remember the move right now, but it didn't really interest me so i evolved my graveler right away. If you have the complete(ish) pokedex guide book that is the best way to determine the move set differences.

Tsuroerusu September 25th, 2007 5:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Toadboy (Post 2926688)
I asked the same question to my self recently when i started my new Diamond game. I have a graveler and was wondering when to evolve it to golem. The only difference between the two was one move around level 40. Graveler got one, where Golem got a different one. I can't remember the move right now, but it didn't really interest me so i evolved my graveler right away. If you have the complete(ish) pokedex guide book that is the best way to determine the move set differences.

I see, thanks for the info.

Trainer Trance September 25th, 2007 1:33 PM

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Originally Posted by HoundoomOfTheDarkness (Post 2926524)
And I'm not gonna complain that Onix or Steelix aren't good. It's not worth complaining when someone tries something unique. I went to the wi-fi Battle Tower room once and, seriously, every other battle had either Salamence or Garchomp.


I know how that goes, I was playing and it annoyed me...

I ended up teaching my Politoed Ice Beam JUST to get through them because it got rediculous. (i alternate between Water Pokemon, either my Politoed [which I love so don't you dare say anything bad against him, lol] or my Gyarados.)

Trade evolutions are always really cool, just because they weren't in a previous game.

I'm still really nostalgic about G/S, so I cling to the Kanto/Johto region Pokemon, save for a few Sinnoh region ones... I didn't care much for the very un-satisfying Hoenn Pokemon.




EDIT:: OH! Sorry I forgot to post the real post that I came here for.

Teach Steelix one or two really good moves that he only learns as Onix (unless they learn the same moves... never raised a Steelix for battling before, just for the Dex entry) before you evolve him. It'll be better in the long run.

Shiraishi September 25th, 2007 2:27 PM

WTF? Steelix is great. Anti would flame the person who said that into the ground if he saw that ;O(kidding)It's a great physical wall and it walls 'Vire which is nice.

Tsuroerusu September 25th, 2007 8:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Oniko (Post 2927703)
I know how that goes, I was playing and it annoyed me...

I ended up teaching my Politoed Ice Beam JUST to get through them because it got rediculous.

LOL, dude that's funny! ;)


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Originally Posted by Oniko
(i alternate between Water Pokemon, either my Politoed [which I love so don't you dare say anything bad against him, lol] or my Gyarados.)

I like your style!


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Originally Posted by Oniko
I'm still really nostalgic about G/S, so I cling to the Kanto/Johto region Pokemon, save for a few Sinnoh region ones... I didn't care much for the very un-satisfying Hoenn Pokemon.

Yeah, pretty much the same here. Although I do like my Sceptile, and ones like Kyogre and Groudon, and a few others were pretty cool.


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Originally Posted by Oniko
Teach Steelix one or two really good moves that he only learns as Onix (unless they learn the same moves... never raised a Steelix for battling before, just for the Dex entry) before you evolve him.

They learn the exact same attacks, with a few differences. Steelix learns Cruch rather than Sand Tomb. I've stocked up on Heart Scales, so I'm gonna try a bunch of things. One thing I've done with this Steelix is to try and raise it's speed stat as much as possible. Of course it won't be as fast as my Sceptile, but it should make things a little better.

brotlov September 25th, 2007 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Tsuroerusu (Post 2929661)


They learn the exact same attacks, with a few differences. Steelix learns Cruch rather than Sand Tomb. I've stocked up on Heart Scales, so I'm gonna try a bunch of things. One thing I've done with this Steelix is to try and raise it's speed stat as much as possible. Of course it won't be as fast as my Sceptile, but it should make things a little better.

No no no, now i'm not trying to giude you here, but i'm making a suggestion.
don't EV him up in speed, his base speed stat is only 30, making it's max with a speed plus nature 174
Now i recommed training it up in other stats, like defence and Hp, or somthing like that

Tsuroerusu September 26th, 2007 6:47 AM

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Originally Posted by brotlov (Post 2929830)
No no no, now i'm not trying to giude you here, but i'm making a suggestion.
don't EV him up in speed, his base speed stat is only 30, making it's max with a speed plus nature 174
Now i recommed training it up in other stats, like defence and Hp, or somthing like that

Well, first of all, my Steelix is a female. :P

Secondly, before I started raising my Steelix, I was thinking about what you suggested, and couldn't quite decide on what to do, so I thought to myself "Let's just raise two Steelix'es", and see what works the best.

If nobody experiments, we'd all be using Garchomp.

MasterWGS September 26th, 2007 7:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Tsuroerusu (Post 2930443)
If nobody experiments, we'd all be using Garchomp.

I like this quote. Just thought I'd tell you that.

Oh, and on the how you're raising Steelix thing, I'm glad to see you trying to do something different, but don't lose heart if it fails. Sometimes you have to go through a lot of different routes in order to find what's best.

Tsuroerusu September 26th, 2007 7:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Grant (Post 2930462)
I like this quote. Just thought I'd tell you that.

Haha! Thanks man, for the first time in my entire life I have made an original phrase, and not quoted someone else.


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Originally Posted by Grant
Oh, and on the how you're raising Steelix thing, I'm glad to see you trying to do something different, but don't lose heart if it fails.

Don't worry, I won't,


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Originally Posted by Grant
Sometimes you have to go through a lot of different routes in order to find what's best.

Indeed, and let me assure you, that's why I have stocked up on Heart Scales! ;)

Lady Nicole September 26th, 2007 10:59 AM

When you train your Onix it will stick with Onix's base stats, yeah? Well when you evolve it into Steelix it doesn't get Steelix's base stats straight away, if you get what I mean. You have to level it up and it will get them gradually.

If you evolved it at level 90 it won't have the same stats as if you evolved it at level 30 and then raised it to level 90. Basically, when you evolve it into Steelix it's stats will "catch up" every time you level it up. However, it's a bad idea to evolve it at a very high level like level 90 because the stats might not have chance to do all the "catching up" since there are only 10 levels to go before level 100.

I hope that makes sense ^_^

RLan69 September 26th, 2007 11:27 AM

The only difference I see is that Onix learns Sand Tomb at lv. 41, whereas Steelix learns Crunch. If for offensive, level Onix to 40 then evolve it, defensive, level Onix to 41 then evolve it.


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