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Neo Android September 28th, 2007 4:23 AM

The Legend Of Sinnoh?
 
Can anyone tell me the full legend of sinnoh including all the legendaries and how they came to be, i tried to follow it in the game but i got lost and would like someone to explain it in one full go please.

Thank You

_ NA

Znale September 28th, 2007 4:54 AM

Yes, wouldn't it be easier for you to just Google it or something. I'm sure you can find it somewhere on the Internet. I would post a link in here but since it's against the rules, sorry.

DarkArcz September 28th, 2007 5:08 AM

I take it from your tittle you mean the story about Arceus, Dialga and Palkia?

Here, I ripped this off from Bulbapedia:

Quote:

In the beginning, there was only
a churning turmoil of chaos.
At the heart of chaos, where all
things became one, appeared an Egg.
Having tumbled from the vortex, the
Egg gave rise to the Original One.
From itself, two beings the Original
One did make.
Time started to spin.
Space began to expand.
From itself again, three living things
the Original One did make.
The two beings wished, and from them,
matter came to be.
The three living things wished, and
from them, spirit came to be.
The world created, the Original One
took to unyielding sleep...

According to the text, Arceus (the "Original One") was born from an egg. Arceus made "two beings" who made space expand and time start (Dialga and Palkia). Arceus then made the "three living things" mentioned above (Uxie, Azelf, and Mesprit). Then Arceus "took to unyeilding sleep" (that is, until you dig that Action Replay out of your bag...)

That enough? Or is there another legendary whose story you'd like to hear again?

Neo Android September 28th, 2007 7:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkArcz (Post 2937038)
I take it from your tittle you mean the story about Arceus, Dialga and Palkia?

Here, I ripped this off from Bulbapedia:




According to the text, Arceus (the "Original One") was born from an egg. Arceus made "two beings" who made space expand and time start (Dialga and Palkia). Arceus then made the "three living things" mentioned above (Uxie, Azelf, and Mesprit). Then Arceus "took to unyeilding sleep" (that is, until you dig that Action Replay out of your bag...)

That enough? Or is there another legendary whose story you'd like to hear again?

Thank you for helping me ^_^

I do have a few questions where do darkai and cressila fit into this and whats the story behind shaymin if there is one?

Thanks

- NA

Shiny Umbreon September 28th, 2007 1:12 PM

Because of the importance of legendaries now, I assume Shaymin is something like the creator of grass, Heatran the creator of fire and lava, and Darkrai and Cresselia take care of bad and good dreams, respectively. Then, Regigigas is just something that has to do with the ground, and Giratina something with parallel universes. Who knows? They keep inventing weird stuff.

I'm just speculating, but I don't think it's too far from the truth. Nothing has been said except for Arceus, Dialga, Palkia and three fairies.

RSL September 28th, 2007 1:15 PM

Some people think Giratina may be our "Satanic" Pokemon to go w/ Arceus.

Shiny Umbreon September 28th, 2007 1:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RSL (Post 2938236)
Some people think Giratina may be our "Satanic" Pokemon to go w/ Arceus.

Except for the fact that Arceus has 120 in all stats while Giratina is just like Dialga and Palkia, which maybe could mean they want us to believe God is better than everything else?

AztecSunshine September 29th, 2007 1:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiny Umbreon (Post 2938218)
Because of the importance of legendaries now, I assume Shaymin is something like the creator of grass, Heatran the creator of fire and lava, and Darkrai and Cresselia take care of bad and good dreams, respectively. Then, Regigigas is just something that has to do with the ground, and Giratina something with parallel universes. Who knows? They keep inventing weird stuff.

I'm just speculating, but I don't think it's too far from the truth. Nothing has been said except for Arceus, Dialga, Palkia and three fairies.

Heatran controls volcano's, shaymin took care of pollution, and i think you are right about girtina,darkrai,and cresselia.

Znale September 29th, 2007 1:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiny Umbreon (Post 2938218)
Because of the importance of legendaries now, I assume Shaymin is something like the creator of grass, Heatran the creator of fire and lava, and Darkrai and Cresselia take care of bad and good dreams, respectively. Then, Regigigas is just something that has to do with the ground, and Giratina something with parallel universes. Who knows? They keep inventing weird stuff.

I'm just speculating, but I don't think it's too far from the truth. Nothing has been said except for Arceus, Dialga, Palkia and three fairies.

Or then they actually are good and evil. Shaymin created the forests and the nature in general. These are also just speculations, nothing has been stated as a fact yet.

Mr.Roboto September 29th, 2007 3:48 AM

Yes, hello, i am new. Just to say, i know all about this.

Arceus is the god of all pokemon. He was born when the universe started. He created Dialga, the pokemon of time, and palkia, the pokemon of space. Then the three fairy pokemon were created, Azelf, the being of willpower, mespirit, the being of emotion, and uxie, the being of knowlege. Shaymin was created to create forests and jungles, daraki is the being of nightmares, feeding on those in a deep slumber. they cannot wake until they are exposed to a "lunar wing" of cresselia. it is the pokemon of light and good feelings. hetran was created from pure lava and molten rock, and regigigas is an additional legendary in the game. it has nothing to do with arceus' story. Giratina is a pokemon that lives in the parallel universe of dead people. as for rotom, it is just like regigigas. hope this helps! ;)

Neo Android September 29th, 2007 4:09 AM

Wow thanks for all the help and saying what they are though how does all the kanto/johto/hoenn legendaries fit into this puzzle since wouldnt some of them overlpase like celebi was time and then they have diagla as time? And lugia/manaphay/kyorge are they all connected?

Sorry i dont mean to sound dumb i do have the pokemon games but this new lot has thrown me of a few things i thought was right.

Thanks Again

- NA

Mr.Roboto September 29th, 2007 4:32 AM

ok... mew is just a created legandary, and mewtwo is a clone of mew.
Rayquaza-sky pokemon
Kyorge-sea pokemon
Groudon-land pokemon
Raikou and zapdos-thunder pokemon
Entei and moltres-fire pokemon
suicune and articuno-water/ice pokemon
jirachi is the wishing pokemon
deoxys is an alien pokemon (which raises questions like are there more pokemon on a different planet?)
Celebi is the protector of the land and forests
and thats about it.

Znale September 30th, 2007 6:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Roboto (Post 2940314)
ok... mew is just a created legandary, and mewtwo is a clone of mew.
Rayquaza-sky pokemon
Kyorge-sea pokemon
Groudon-land pokemon
Raikou and zapdos-thunder pokemon
Entei and moltres-fire pokemon
suicune and articuno-water/ice pokemon
jirachi is the wishing pokemon
deoxys is an alien pokemon (which raises questions like are there more pokemon on a different planet?)
Celebi is the protector of the land and forests
and thats about it.

Celebi also has something to do with the time, and that's why it may have something to do with Dialga and Palkia.

DarkArcz September 30th, 2007 9:14 AM

Hmmm....Celebi doesn't really fit into Sinnoh Myth, even though I agree it could somehow relate to Dialga. Dialga created Time while Celebi has the power to travel through time, doesn't it?

Gigatongatlingman September 30th, 2007 1:02 PM

Let's see...
- Dialga created Celebi
- Giratina was a "fake" version of Dialga and Palkia, whom basically either is parellel variant of the two, or is just angry at mankind, one or the other.
- Shaymin made nature (See Floaroma Town)
- Heatran guards Stark Mountain
- Mew right now is kind of confusing to understand...
- Darkrai and Cresselia are the governors of the dream world

...That's all I know so far, and Darkrai is a lot more evil than Giratina. Darkrai = Evil, Giratina = Anger.
(...And don't try to believe the anime, they lie sometimes...)

Myoko-chan September 30th, 2007 4:54 PM

Zapdos- Thunder
Articuno- Ice
Moltres- Fire
Mew- Everything under Arceus
Mewtwo- Clone of Mew
Entei- Moltres's Underling
Suicune- Articuno's Underling
Raikou- Zapdos's Underling
Ho-oh - Rainbow
Lugia - Sea
Celebi - Dialga's Underling
Latios - Protecting the Soul Dew
Latias - Proteting the Soul Dew
Regirock - Brail
Regice- Brail
Registeel - Brail
Kyogre- Rain
Groudon- Sun
Rayquaza- Weather
Jirachi- Wishes
Deoxys- Palkia's Underling
Azelf- Created Sinnoh
Mesprit - Created Sinnoh
Uxie - Created Sinnoh
Giratina - Ghosts
Darkrai - Dreams
Cresselia - Moon
Manaphy - Hearts
Shaymin - Grass / Flowers
Dialga - Time
Palkia - Space
Regigigas - Lord of the Regis
Arceus - Creator of Everything

Shiny Umbreon September 30th, 2007 5:01 PM

Guys, don't go offtopic. The thread is about the Sinnoh legend only.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Roboto (Post 2940233)
as for rotom, it is just like regigigas. hope this helps! ;)

Rotom is NOT a legendary for your information.

Blaziken_Boy September 30th, 2007 5:23 PM

Giratina is a shadow that's taken the form of material. Darkrai and Cresselia seem related in the sense that Cresselia controls the moon (night) and Darkrai is a night hunter. Mew is almost like Deoxys in the sense that it came from the stars (Pokemon Snap, anyone?). I have to believe that the satan pokemon is Missingno since it likes messing up your game.

NessStar3000 September 30th, 2007 6:01 PM

As far as I know, Mew posesses the same DNA genetic code of all existing pokrmon, so maybe Mew can be referred as the beginning of pokemon in general?

Trainer Trance September 30th, 2007 7:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiny Umbreon (Post 2938218)
Because of the importance of legendaries now, I assume Shaymin is something like the creator of grass, Heatran the creator of fire and lava, and Darkrai and Cresselia take care of bad and good dreams, respectively. Then, Regigigas is just something that has to do with the ground, and Giratina something with parallel universes. Who knows? They keep inventing weird stuff.

I'm just speculating, but I don't think it's too far from the truth. Nothing has been said except for Arceus, Dialga, Palkia and three fairies.

Can't remember exactly where I read it, but I've read somewhere that in legends Regigigas towed the continents... I can't remember if it was in game or online... Ok yeah it was his Pokedex entry.

It's not stated, but I think that when Arceus' beings made the world, Regigigas came into being and moved the continents to where they are now, and from him sprang Regice, Regirock, and Registeel.

And the thing about Mew... I dunno where exactly that little guy came from... but he DOES have the DNA of all Pokemon... and Uxie, Azelf, and Mesprit look strikingly similar...

Perhaps Arceus + Mew = Creation?? Like.. Mew has the mutating DNA, but Arceus has the power to create, so together, they put the creation into the DNA and made the Psychic 3 in Sinnoh???

I think that would work, and Arceus created Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina from himself.

DarkArcz September 30th, 2007 7:46 PM

It's pretty odd, when you think of it. Arceus was the creation Pokemon, wasn't it? Shouldn't it have godly powers beyond any Pokemon? And yet Mew, a humble "ancestor to all Pokemon" can learn every single TM and HM in existence....

Shiny Umbreon September 30th, 2007 7:52 PM

Arceus still can learn most TMs and HMs, except for the ones that need arms (though attacks with wings don't stop Mew).

Anyway, a new theory. Arceus created Mew, which evolved into the rest of Pokémon. As simple as that.

By the way, for me, Mew is the scientific theory about creation while Arceus is the religious one. Probably the theory about Mew found in the previous game is now in doubt because of the recent discovery of the Hall of Origin.

DarkArcz September 30th, 2007 8:21 PM

But if Arceus created Mew, then why din't he also have Mews ability to learn nearly every move? After all, if he could create Mew, shouldn't it also mean he already had powers equal or more than Mew's?

Skymin October 1st, 2007 2:43 AM

I don't think Mew has much of a "story". It's just a pokemon that is rare and has different powers. I'm yet to hear a story that explains it's exsistance. People looked for it because of it's rarity, and the fact that it was extremely hard to catch.

nosferatu October 1st, 2007 3:13 AM

maybe mew is like jesus or something

Neo Android October 1st, 2007 5:10 AM

When i was catching the 3 psyhic pokemon in sinnoh, it was striking to me how much a like they looked to mew. I thought there was a connection since the four of them are all psyhic type and have cat-like apperances. I find it even stranger that Arecus created the world but cant learn every TM or HM while mew can, since if arecus created pokemon would'nt it of also created there abilitys/unqiuness?

I really like how this discussion is going its really intresting to read all the respones and different views/theories ^_^

- NA

Trainer Trance October 1st, 2007 6:18 AM

I've always thought Mew was something like a fetus...

http://www.equine-reproduction.com/articles/fetus.jpg

The image that link leads to isn't human, but still, similarities to the older pictures of Mew...

Blaziken_Boy October 1st, 2007 1:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NessStar3000 (Post 2949333)
As far as I know, Mew posesses the same DNA genetic code of all existing pokrmon, so maybe Mew can be referred as the beginning of pokemon in general?

... It's possible... Azelf, Uxie, and Mesprit worked together to make Mew, the first Pokemon other than the gods. It's like the mortal Arceus.

Gymnotide October 1st, 2007 2:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Angel Shaymin (Post 2948891)
Zapdos- Thunder
Articuno- Ice
Moltres- Fire
Mew- Everything under Arceus
Mewtwo- Clone of Mew
Entei- Moltres's Underling
Suicune- Articuno's Underling
Raikou- Zapdos's Underling
Ho-oh - Rainbow
Lugia - Sea
Celebi - Dialga's Underling
Latios - Protecting the Soul Dew
Latias - Proteting the Soul Dew
Regirock - Brail
Regice- Brail
Registeel - Brail
Kyogre- Rain
Groudon- Sun
Rayquaza- Weather
Jirachi- Wishes
Deoxys- Palkia's Underling
Azelf- Created Sinnoh
Mesprit - Created Sinnoh
Uxie - Created Sinnoh
Giratina - Ghosts
Darkrai - Dreams
Cresselia - Moon
Manaphy - Hearts
Shaymin - Grass / Flowers
Dialga - Time
Palkia - Space
Regigigas - Lord of the Regis
Arceus - Creator of Everything

Actually, it was said that Entei, Suicune and Raikou are underlings of Ho-oh somewhere. And it's truth.

Isn't it safe to catergorize the Pokemon in categories? You don't have to believe me.

Lugia - guardian of the sea
-- Articuno - Frost, the ANKA
-- Zapdos - Lightning, the WAKINYAN
-- Moltres - Flame, Rebirth (?), the PHOENIX

Lugia is the "guardian of the sea" which we learn from Pokemon 2000, and then there was that corny thing about how ice + fire = water and then the electricity from Zapdos creates an underwater current and all of them have to be in equilibrium or else the sea becomes chaotic and all horror is ensued upon human and Pokemon-kind alike. Rebirth is added to Moltres because we learn in Pokemon Chronicles that it can rejuvenate itself by immersing in lava - perhaps it is the "healing" quality of fire (And Naruto too if you understand ;)). I read somewhere when I was learning about Absaroka Native Americans on Wikipedia about the "thunderbird" Wakinyan. It might have to do with that. I also read somewhere that Articuno was based on the Anka, which would save mountaineers in peril - it happened in one of those episodes with the Sunflora.

Ho-oh - guardian of the sky, marking a Hero's path, reincarnation
-- Entei - Flame, Courage / Loyalty (?), Heat, KIRIN (?)
-- Raikou - Thunder
-- Suicune - Cold, Purity, BOREAS

Raikou is Thunder, not Lightning. It said so in Pokemon Chronicles. Suicune is the embodiment of the North Wind, or in Greek, Boreas - the cold. It has also demonstrated its powers to purify water and such. Entei, not sure, but I think in Spell of the Unown, that's what Entei was all about. Being courageous and loyal. Being GREEK! Y'know. Also, maybe the reason why it runs around the world is to give off heat to the world, like Kirin, that Chinese thing. Ho-oh is a rainbow Pokemon, it reincarnated the three legendary dogs. I would connect it with Iris, but you've had enough Greek for one day.

Latios and Latias - Balance (?)

No explanation for this one. They kind of have their own story. Yin-Yang?

Rayquaza - protector of the atmosphere
Kyogre and Groudon - LEVIATHAN AND BEHEMOTH

I think it has something to do with Hebrew religion, but I wouldn't know. Kyogre and Groudon are opposites of land and sea, which kind of leads to thinking that they resemble Leviathan and Behemoth. Adding onto this, they also have a fight which would end the world, much like Leviathan and Behemoth do.

Arceus - Creator
-- Dialga - Time
-- Palkia - Space
-- Giratina - EVIL!

Well, the Sinnoh story made it pretty clear which was what. I noticed this and then double checked on Bulbapedia. Giratina has 6 of everything. It's probably a reference on Christianity - God creates time and space and then the Devil betrays him.

Darkrai and Cresselia

Darkrai = sleep, Cresselia = awakening. I think this is a pretty simple parallel.

Regigigas - Creator of Continents
-- Regice
-- Registeel
-- Regirock

Golems, anyone? Continents. They're all parts of the Earth. Regice resembles tundras, glaciers, and the like. Regirock resembles deserts, wastelands, plainlands, etc. Registeel represents mineral mines... Or something. I'm making this up as I go along. Maybe it has something to do with the Ice Age.

If I really wanted to finish this long post, I would, but unfortunately I don't want to. Maybe later.

Trainer Trance October 1st, 2007 3:06 PM

Rayquaza = Ziz It is considered a giant animal/monster corresponding to the archetypal creatures Behemoth and Leviathan


There ya go with that one, even though in Jewish Mythology Ziz is a bird...

Gymnotide October 1st, 2007 4:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oniko (Post 2952027)
Rayquaza = Ziz It is considered a giant animal/monster corresponding to the archetypal creatures Behemoth and Leviathan


There ya go with that one, even though in Jewish Mythology Ziz is a bird...

Actually, it is perfectly veritable that Rayquaza can be the Long, the Chinese Dragon which controlled weather and was a sign of leadership - in this case the Leviathan and the Behemoth. Maybe.

nosferatu October 1st, 2007 4:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blaziken_Boy (Post 2951509)
... It's possible... Azelf, Uxie, and Mesprit worked together to make Mew, the first Pokemon other than the gods. It's like the mortal Arceus.

exactly does anyone else see a link to chirstenty (sp?)
i cant remember exactly but i think there is like 8 levels of angels there is arch angels then ones that prtect cartain countrys and so on
Arceus= god
daigla palkia = arch angels
Giratina darkrai= fallen angels like satan lucifer ect.
Azelf Mesprit Uxie = more angels
mew= jesus
Cresselia= angel
the others ones have to do with other lengends and religons
latios, latias = ying yang
raquaza= chiense dragon
etc

DarkArcz October 2nd, 2007 8:47 AM

The Arceus myth also seems similar to this old creation myth I found on Wikipedia.

It tells of a giant called "Pangu" that emerged from an egg into chaotic nothingness. Pangu created the Earth and Sky, and was tasked with keeping them apart. Soon after he had succeeded in his task, his body parts became the sun, moon, mountains, etc...


The story of Arceus is similar to this one. Arceus hatched from an egg into nothingness. Arceus created Time and Space, while the giant created the Earth and Sky. The giant was tasked with keeping the two apart, something that Arceus, as the trio leader of the Legendary Dragons also presumably does. And while Arceus doesn't break up into bits, he too retires after creating the essentials for life.

Gibbo October 2nd, 2007 9:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nosferatu (Post 2952569)
exactly does anyone else see a link to chirstenty (sp?)
i cant remember exactly but i think there is like 8 levels of angels there is arch angels then ones that prtect cartain countrys and so on

I have never heard anything to that effect in my life...

I dunno why they gave Legendaries such importance in this game... I can almost see a twisted pokemon religion being born...

Blaziken_Boy October 2nd, 2007 3:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkArcz (Post 2954137)
The Arceus myth also seems similar to this old creation myth I found on Wikipedia.

It tells of a giant called "Pangu" that emerged from an egg into chaotic nothingness. Pangu created the Earth and Sky, and was tasked with keeping them apart. Soon after he had succeeded in his task, his body parts became the sun, moon, mountains, etc...


The story of Arceus is similar to this one. Arceus hatched from an egg into nothingness. Arceus created Time and Space, while the giant created the Earth and Sky. The giant was tasked with keeping the two apart, something that Arceus, as the trio leader of the Legendary Dragons also presumably does. And while Arceus doesn't break up into bits, he too retires after creating the essentials for life.

Arceus IS Pangu, he created the universe with his 1000 arms, which is why he has none.

Same with the religion, Nintendo ran out of legendary ideas.


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