The PokéCommunity Forums

The PokéCommunity Forums (https://www.pokecommunity.com/index.php)
-   Pokémon Strategies & Movesets (archive) (https://www.pokecommunity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=12)
-   -   Which Gyrados Moveset? (https://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=109886)

Sora_8920 September 30th, 2007 1:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 2947616)
Did you just say EQ CANNOT OHKO those? Are you crazy?Also, Reurn will NOT OHKO Skar.

Um. Yeah, the only thing that won't be Ohko'ed out of that list is Zapdos.

Jimmyray September 30th, 2007 1:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 2947616)
Did you just say EQ CANNOT OHKO those? Are you crazy?

Also, Reurn will NOT OHKO Skar.

So your saying EQ OHKO's Zapdos? Really? That's new.

Dark Azelf September 30th, 2007 1:38 PM

It depends on what you want Jimmy


Ice Fang and Earthquake for coverage.

Waterfall and Earthquake for raw power.

Damn i wish Hidden Power was still Physical.............


Anyways Bronzong wont really do much, only thing it can really do is Blow the Hell up or if they use a rare one with Charge Beam.

Anti September 30th, 2007 1:39 PM

dude...

you don't know what a counter is...jolteon isn't a counter for Gyara, it can't switch into it.

As mentioned earlier, return doesn't OHKO skarm...no physical move does.

I honestly loled at that claim. EQ>>>>>>>>>>return. i"ve played pokemon for years dude...your calculations were WAY off.

EDIT: I lol at return...really. Your "experience" must've been REALLY messed up dude.

Jimmyray September 30th, 2007 1:39 PM

I think I'm going with Return + Waterfall.

Anti-Pop ~ I happen to KNOW for an actual FACT that Return is better. Thanks for all your help though :D

sims796 September 30th, 2007 1:40 PM

Wow. I missed Zapdos. Call the cops.

He has far too many options to say he needs Return for Coverage.

Please, explain why Return is better.

Sora_8920 September 30th, 2007 1:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 2947640)
Wow. I missed Zapdos. Call the cops.

He has far too many options to say he needs Return for Coverage.

Return won't be doing anything. It doesn't say "super effective" on anything, which means it has no typ coverage or whatever.

Anti September 30th, 2007 1:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimmyray (Post 2947636)
I think I'm going with Return + Waterfall.

Anti-Pop ~ I happen to KNOW for an actual FACT that Return is better. Thanks for all your help though :D

dude, I'm not trying to be a jerk, but I have to be honest, right? Yeah, I lost a lot of respect for you with your statemant...one pokemon resists EQ...zapdos, big deal. Use waterfall to hammer it hard, easy.

That must be one messed up dictionary you're reading, because EQ is better than return. We're all telling you the same thing...Return OHKOs nothing EQ can't, except flyers. And guess what? If you're worried about that, give it ice fang over waterfall, which takes out that zapdos you were talking about...

and gyara just uses taunt to skarmory, so it'll have to switch out, since drill peck does lol to it. It is so simple.

sims796 September 30th, 2007 1:45 PM

I have no problem with him, but I would like him to explain what Return hits that EQ/SE doesn't.

Jimmyray September 30th, 2007 1:46 PM

I already tried... But you all seem to think EQ. Let's just say it will sweep more pokemon with Return. Take an example battle:
WITH EQ:
Jamie sends out Gyarados:
Some Guy sends out Salamence
Jamie uses... wait.. uhm.. Taunt? No... Uhm... Waterfall? Na... EQ? Damn it...

With Return:
Jamie sends out Gyarados
Some Guy sends out Salamence
Jamie uses Return
Salamence dies

Stone Edge = No, because I don't have the TM and it has bad other type coverage for a Gyarados.

Anti September 30th, 2007 1:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 2947671)
I have no problem with him, but I would like him to explain what Return hits that EQ/SE doesn't.

this thread just makes me lol. Return has horrid coverage. EQ hits those electric types it fears so much...simple logic. I have a problem when he says his opinion is a fact. I lol at the notion.

EDIT: As for your example Jimmyray, ther eis this little move called ice fang it learns...far better than return. And Mence has intimidate. you'd have to DD up quite a bit to OHKO it.

sims796 September 30th, 2007 1:48 PM

Same senario:


Jamie sends Gya
sims sends Mence
Jamie uses SE
Mence is KOed


I must run to the store for batteries...

Sora_8920 September 30th, 2007 1:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 2947658)
dude, I'm not trying to be a jerk, but I have to be honest, right? Yeah, I lost a lot of respect for you with your statemant...one pokemon resists EQ...zapdos, big deal. Use waterfall to hammer it hard, easy.

That must be one messed up dictionary you're reading, because EQ is better than return. We're all telling you the same thing...Return OHKOs nothing EQ can't, except flyers. And guess what? If you're worried about that, give it ice fang over waterfall, which takes out that zapdos you were talking about...

and gyara just uses taunt to skarmory, so it'll have to switch out, since drill peck does lol to it. It is so simple.

EQ is a must need on ALL physical sweepers. Base power 100 acc. 100. Base Power depends on happiness which is now weakened by wi-fi battles, which you no longer need to train them to level 100 anymore. and you do it at such a low level, it won't have much effect. acc. 100 More power and 100 acc.? Yes. Power depends but is now weakened 100 acc.? No.

Anti September 30th, 2007 1:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 2947688)
Same senario:


Jamie sends Gya
sims sends Mence
Jamie uses SE
Mence is KOed


I must run to the store for batteries...

Ice fang does the same...and both have far better coverage.

Dark Azelf September 30th, 2007 1:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimmyray (Post 2947676)
I already tried... But you all seem to think EQ. Let's just say it will sweep more pokemon with Return. Take an example battle:
WITH EQ:
Jamie sends out Gyarados:
Some Guy sends out Salamence
Jamie uses... wait.. uhm.. Taunt? No... Uhm... Waterfall? Na... EQ? Damn it...

With Return:
Jamie sends out Gyarados
Intimidate Cuts Salmences Attack
Some Guy sends out Salamence
Intimidate Cuts Gyarados Attack
Jamie uses Return
Salamence uses Draco meteor :)

However you missed out a couple of points that i will edit in.


You want to hit Super Effective on it, if Salamence is damaged you will KO it, you wont when its not Super Effective like Return isnt

Anti September 30th, 2007 2:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 2947723)
However you missed out a couple of points that i will edit in.


You want to hit Super Effective on it, if Salamence is damaged you will KO it, you wont when its not Super Effective like Return isnt

Yeah...pretty much. Return is simply outclassed by Stone edge, ice fang, waterfall, and EQ...4 options to put ahead of it. how many physical sweepers do you see return on? Physical tanks and walls? Yeah, almost none...but, look at EQ...the most common move in the game, and for a good reason.

Dark Azelf September 30th, 2007 2:06 PM

and at the end of the day Return is used because of the STAB factor, on things like Snorlax and Slaking, and which is why you never see Metagross and stuff with Return.

Anti September 30th, 2007 2:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 2947794)
and at the end of the day Return is used because of the STAB factor, on things like Snorlax and Slaking, and which is why you never see Metagross and stuff with Return.

Exactly. We aren't trying to flame you, jimmyray, but we have facts to back up our conclusion. You really do not. EQ is common for a reason. Ice Fang is better if you fear flyers like mence...not return. Return doesn't even OHKO Mence...intimidate FTW!

sims796 September 30th, 2007 2:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimmyray (Post 2947676)
I already tried... But you all seem to think EQ. Let's just say it will sweep more pokemon with Return. Take an example battle:
WITH EQ:
Jamie sends out Gyarados:
Some Guy sends out Salamence
Jamie uses... wait.. uhm.. Taunt? No... Uhm... Waterfall? Na... EQ? Damn it...

With Return:
Jamie sends out Gyarados
Some Guy sends out Salamence
Jamie uses Return
Salamence dies

Stone Edge = No, because I don't have the TM and it has bad other type coverage for a Gyarados.

Bad other type coverage? Rock & Water hits EVERY SINGLE TYPE! I can understand not having the TM (which can be found in the Battle Tower, no fun) but no coverage? Thats nonsense.

Sora_8920 September 30th, 2007 2:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 2947813)
Exactly. We aren't trying to flame you, jimmyray, but we have facts to back up our conclusion. You really do not. EQ is common for a reason. Ice Fang is better if you fear flyers like mence...not return. Return doesn't even OHKO Mence...intimidate FTW!

To announce: I should've changed my name to Aoi, if only I had been keeping up with Naruto shows instead of sleeping thorough them. I'll do that once i'm avalible for name changing again.

sims796 September 30th, 2007 2:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 2947813)
Exactly. We aren't trying to flame you, jimmyray, but we have facts to back up our conclusion. You really do not. EQ is common for a reason. Ice Fang is better if you fear flyers like mence...not return. Return doesn't even OHKO Mence...intimidate FTW!

He is right. We know you ara good, but your facts makes no sense.

Anti September 30th, 2007 2:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 2947825)
Bad other type coverage? Rock & Water hits EVERY SINGLE TYPE! I can understand not having the TM (which can be found in the Battle Tower, no fun) but no coverage? Thats nonsense.

That would be those facts I was tyalking about. however, return is useful in 3rd gen if you are totally fed up with breeding for HP flying (is HP flying better though). Still, both have EQ...the common denominator.

EDIT: Jeez, you people get your posts on here fast!

Shiraishi September 30th, 2007 2:13 PM

How does rock/water hit every single type ._.;

Anti September 30th, 2007 2:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cakekun (Post 2947850)
How does rock/water hit every single type ._.;

Stone Edge and EQ do at least, that's all I need to know. Coverage is key...

Sora_8920 September 30th, 2007 2:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cakekun (Post 2947850)
How does rock/water hit every single type ._.;

Maybe he was joking? Idk if he was doing that though, seemed like he was serious.


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 5:31 AM.


Like our Facebook Page Follow us on Twitter © 2002 - 2018 The PokéCommunity™, pokecommunity.com.
Pokémon characters and images belong to The Pokémon Company International and Nintendo. This website is in no way affiliated with or endorsed by Nintendo, Creatures, GAMEFREAK, The Pokémon Company or The Pokémon Company International. We just love Pokémon.
All forum styles, their images (unless noted otherwise) and site designs are © 2002 - 2016 The PokéCommunity / PokéCommunity.com.
PokéCommunity™ is a trademark of The PokéCommunity. All rights reserved. Sponsor advertisements do not imply our endorsement of that product or service. User generated content remains the property of its creator.

Acknowledgements
Use of PokéCommunity Assets
vB Optimise by DragonByte Technologies Ltd © 2023.