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Alter Ego October 1st, 2007 9:37 AM

No, just no. Return isn't a good idea even in theory. Name one pokémon for me that takes more damage from Return than Waterfall, Ice Fang, or Earthquake. If you can't then there's no point whatsoever with using Return. End of discussion.

Anti October 1st, 2007 9:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Alter Ego (Post 2950780)
No, just no. Return isn't a good idea even in theory. Name one pokémon for me that takes more damage from Return than Waterfall, Ice Fang, or Earthquake. If you can't then there's no point whatsoever with using Return. End of discussion.

That was my argument in a nice little box and a ribbon tied on. End, and you still haven't told us what this "test" is you supposedly conducted.

Sora_8920 October 1st, 2007 10:50 AM

I wonder if he's even tested the move out yet. And like Anti said in another Thread, we are giving facts about Return. Not being a noob and flaming you.

Anti October 1st, 2007 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Itachi 2007 (Post 2950939)
I wonder if he's even tested the move out yet. And like Anti said in another Thread, we are giving facts about Return. Not being a noob and flaming you.

Exactly. Until Jimmyray proves us otherwise, which he can't, because we have posted facts, we are right.As mentioned b4, EQ is needed...and gengar laughs at return and EQ. So yeah, not much else to say. Here. I prefer ice fang and EQ, but I know sims likes EQ and waterfall.

Sora_8920 October 1st, 2007 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 2951032)
Exactly. Until Jimmyray proves us otherwise, which he can't, because we have posted facts, we are right.As mentioned b4, EQ is needed...and gengar laughs at return and EQ. So yeah, not much else to say. Here. I prefer ice fang and EQ, but I know sims likes EQ and waterfall.

He says "Hi, I like noobish Gyarados set's with Return, bye." I prefer Ice Fang over Waterfall for him to cover Grass, which he'd have to switch if he had Waterfall in place of.

Anti October 1st, 2007 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Itachi 2007 (Post 2951050)
He says "Hi, I like noobish Gyarados set's with Return, bye." I prefer Ice Fang over Waterfall for him to cover Grass, which he'd have to switch if he had Waterfall in place of.

How many grass types do you see these days?:P I like it for Mence and his dragon buddies. Steels also say hi to return and lol, and most can survive one EQ (like metagross) and then seriously hammer the poor snake.

Another option for gyara, though it is totally novelty, would be pumping some SAtk EVs into it and giving it fire blast. Anyone ever scarf it or CB it? Novelty? Yes. But it would shock the opposition. Tauntrados remains supreme champ though.

Dark Azelf October 1st, 2007 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 2951068)
How many grass types do you see these days?:P I like it for Mence and his dragon buddies. Steels also say hi to return and lol, and most can survive one EQ (like metagross) and then seriously hammer the poor snake.

Another option for gyara, though it is totally novelty, would be pumping some SAtk EVs into it and giving it fire blast. Anyone ever scarf it or CB it? Novelty? Yes. But it would shock the opposition. Tauntrados remains supreme champ though.

Id like to battle Jimmy Ray again with that Gyarados


Alot of people love to have dragons as lead pokes, and i find it pwns them, and grass types arnt really common although Tangrowth lols at you without Ice Fang and even then you have to do about 3 DD to 3kho it XD

Sora_8920 October 1st, 2007 11:48 AM

Since me and Anti have sonething commenting on Gyarados with Return, i'd like to see this: WE'VE MESSED WITH THE NATURAL ORDER OF THE UNIVERSE!! (And no, i'm not saying Return is good on Gyarados. It's pitiful). Or it should be changed to he's, because he's the one planning to use it.

Anti October 1st, 2007 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 2951083)
Id like to battle Jimmy Ray again with that Gyarados


Alot of people love to have dragons as lead pokes, and i find it pwns them, and grass types arnt really common although Tangrowth lol @ you without Ice Fang and even then you have to about 3 DD to 3kho it XD

I thought about tangrowth right after posting that XD. The CB set I used, sadly worked better than return. I take out the weavile lead. Switch to take out the physical wall. Sweep. It is so much good fun, but the surprise doesn't las long.

Anf lol, thunder tkaes out skarm w/ proper EVs, and also hammers gyara hard...gyara vs. gyara!

Ice Fang allows you to mock Mence leads, anf the other draons, like garchomp. None of them have anything that really hammers it, except specsmence's draco meteor and then stone edge on Mence.

I tried a scrafedgyara for fun, the most fun I ever had on Wifi. People didn't see it coming, and it swept half their team b4 they figured it out.

Still, tauntrados is the evil dictator of gyara sets, but you can still have fun with the water snake of doom lol


EDIT: If I still had a DS to battle Jimmyray, I'd send out my pride and joy CB steelix (more novelty FTW!) and OHKO w/ stone edge lol...it lols at return, and even EQ.

Sora_8920 October 1st, 2007 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 2951103)
I thought about tangrowth right after posting that XD. The CB set I used, sadly worked better than return. I take out the weavile lead. Switch to take out the physical wall. Sweep. It is so much good fun, but the surprise doesn't las long.

Anf lol, thunder tkaes out skarm w/ proper EVs, and also hammers gyara hard...gyara vs. gyara!

Ice Fang allows you to mock Mence leads, anf the other draons, like garchomp. None of them have anything that really hammers it, except specsmence's draco meteor and then stone edge on Mence.

I tried a scrafedgyara for fun, the most fun I ever had on Wifi. People didn't see it coming, and it swept half their team b4 they figured it out.

Still, tauntrados is the evil dictator of gyara sets, but you can still have fun with the water snake of doom lol

Tauntdos. Is.. The God, it's more of a god then Arceus.

Anti October 1st, 2007 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Itachi 2007 (Post 2951107)
Tauntdos. Is.. The God, it's more of a god then Arceus.

IT still remains the best set. It laughs at annoyers, walls, etc. with taunt and DDs while tghey hopelessly switch. Fun!

Jimmyray October 1st, 2007 11:54 AM

If only Gyarados could learn judgement...

Sora_8920 October 1st, 2007 11:55 AM

[QUOTE=Jimmyray;2951117]If only Gyarados could learn judgement...[/QUOTE]

Judgement? Yeah. But I think they should've made a cool name for a attack especially made for Gyarados.

Anti October 1st, 2007 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimmyray (Post 2951117)
If only Gyarados could learn judgement...

So you've finally given in? Gyara has waterfall, EQ, and ice fang. Works for me. (not talking movesets, just saying it has good attack moves).

Dark Azelf October 1st, 2007 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 2951103)
I thought about tangrowth right after posting that XD. The CB set I used, sadly worked better than return. I take out the weavile lead. Switch to take out the physical wall. Sweep. It is so much good fun, but the surprise doesn't las long.

Anf lol, thunder tkaes out skarm w/ proper EVs, and also hammers gyara hard...gyara vs. gyara!

Ice Fang allows you to mock Mence leads, anf the other draons, like garchomp. None of them have anything that really hammers it, except specsmence's draco meteor and then stone edge on Mence.

I tried a scrafedgyara for fun, the most fun I ever had on Wifi. People didn't see it coming, and it swept half their team b4 they figured it out.

Still, tauntrados is the evil dictator of gyara sets, but you can still have fun with the water snake of doom lol


EDIT: If I still had a DS to battle Jimmyray, I'd send out my pride and joy CB steelix (more novelty FTW!) and OHKO w/ stone edge lol...it lols at return, and even EQ.

Choice Scarf and Band Dos are meant to work very well, although ive never tried it myself

Jimmyray October 1st, 2007 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 2951126)
So you've finally given in? Gyara has waterfall, EQ, and ice fang. Works for me. (not talking movesets, just saying it has good attack moves).

Not exactly given in, but I sincerly apologize for dismissing EQ as if it were pathetic... Although I am sticking with Return.

Anti October 1st, 2007 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimmyray (Post 2951129)
Not exactly given in, but I sincerly apologize for dismissing EQ as if it were pathetic... Although I am sticking with Return.

BIG BIG BIG BIG BIG BIG BIG BIG BIG BIG BIG mistake! You will get creamed, end. gengar laughs at you, metagross laughs at you. Bronzong laughs at you. Steelix laughs at you even. Ice fang or waterfall>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>return. Return is the n00b choice, not saying you're a n00b, but you just don't use stupid moves like that...

Sora_8920 October 1st, 2007 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimmyray (Post 2951129)
Not exactly given in, but I sincerly apologize for dismissing EQ as if it were pathetic... Although I am sticking with Return.

Well it's your choice. Novelty set, maybe? Otherwsie, it's pathetic. If you're going to use return, you may as well use a Set that surprises people. Edit: Hp Psychic with Modest Nature!

Anti October 1st, 2007 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Itachi 2007 (Post 2951147)
Well it's your choice. Novelty set, maybe? Otherwsie, it's pathetic. If you're going to use return, you may as well use a Set that surprises people.

Yeah, MAYBE in a CB or scarf set, but on tauntrados it5 remains lol since there are FAR better options. you still fail to see that? Unbelievable.

Dark Azelf October 1st, 2007 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 2951142)
BIG BIG BIG BIG BIG BIG BIG BIG BIG BIG BIG mistake! You will get creamed, end. gengar laughs at you, metagross laughs at you. Bronzong laughs at you. Steelix laughs at you even. Ice fang or waterfall>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>return. Return is the n00b choice, not saying you're a n00b, but you just don't use stupid moves like that...

Please Listen to this Jimmy ^^



what happened to your DS Anti-Pop ?

Jimmyray October 1st, 2007 12:01 PM

*Sighs* maybe I should request for this to be locked, after all I've made my decision, and all I'm getting here is critisism...

Anti October 1st, 2007 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimmyray (Post 2951158)
*Sighs* maybe I should request for this to be locked, after all I've made my decision, and all I'm getting here is critisism...

Jimmy, b4 you make that request, you understand your gyara will be the laughing stock of the metagame? Give me THREE GOOD REASONS that return is better than ice fang or waterfall on gyara. There isn't even 1, but go ahead.

DA, my DS...repair shop. I sold D/P thoughy, I hated it tbh.

Dark Azelf October 1st, 2007 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimmyray (Post 2951158)
*Sighs* maybe I should request for this to be locked, after all I've made my decision, and all I'm getting here is critisism...

Were using Constructive criticism, were just advising you on whats the best

Sora_8920 October 1st, 2007 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 2951152)
Yeah, MAYBE in a CB or scarf set, but on tauntrados it5 remains lol since there are FAR better options. you still fail to see that? Unbelievable.

I don't see why he's not listening too us. Let's give him some more time to test out Return. Hence, he'll see how many Gengar's are out there. I still have my Ds, and a Gengar. Be warned!: He has T-bolt! But yeah, there are more workable/plausible and actually useable moves to put to use.

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Originally Posted by Jimmyray (Post 2951158)
*Sighs* maybe I should request for this to be locked, after all I've made my decision, and all I'm getting here is critisism...

That's why you accept the comments and move on. =/

Anti October 1st, 2007 12:06 PM

It just bothers me he says we're critizising him...isn't that the point of the forum? We are giving constructive critizism. There is no way we are all wrong, as we all agree except for you and you have no proof to back up your conclusion, thus it is bogus.


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