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The Bird Lord June 21st, 2004 10:48 AM

Rate my Blaziken and Groudon
 
Blaze of Kin (Whatever that means)
[email protected] Berry (The one that increases speed?)
Flamethrower
Earthquake
Sky Uppercut
Protect

Protect is for 2v2. When my Groudon uses EQ Blaziken uses protect. Next turn groudon will attack the poke that is the most hazardous to Blaze or itself.
Currently I'm talking about 2v2 movesets.

[email protected] that increases Attk
EQ
eruption(thinking of replacing)
solarbeam
hyper beam

Pokedragonfire June 21st, 2004 10:54 AM

Why does Blaziken have earthquake then if Groudon is the one using it? I suggest a flying pokemon or a levitating one instead. Get rid of Hyper Beam on Groundon, it is a horrible attack because of the two turn thing. Instead of Eruption, use a fire blast or flamethrower. Instead of Sky Uppercut use Brick Break. I don't think you really need a salac berry on Blaziken, because you don't need speed. Maybe Scope Lens will work better for its excellent attack power. Umm, there are more things to be fixed but that is all I will say for now.

Porygon June 21st, 2004 10:55 AM

Your Groudon has too many power moves. You should put in some basic strike moves [what I call average PP average power moves].

Also, those charging/recharging moves… blaha…

Blaziken's pretty good, but what's the point of having two team members with earthquake?

EDIT: GAH! I knew someone would post before I was finished typing mine up…

The Bird Lord June 21st, 2004 12:14 PM

Blaziken has salac berry cause its sorta alow. BTW what should I replace Hyper Beam with? Oh! I forgot to mention their personalities:
Blaziken:HASTY
Groudon:BASHFUL

Mew9 June 21st, 2004 12:39 PM

put hyper beam on Blaziken, to make use of his high attack. some people may disagree, but i just wiped out a 10 level higher Walreign in battle tower w/ 1 hyper beam from Blaziken. So it should be:
[email protected] lens
Overheat/Flamethrower/Fire Blast
Sky Uppercut
Hyper beam
Protect

[email protected]?Leftovers?
EQ
Bulk Up
Overheat/Flamethrower/Fire Blast
Slash/Hyper Beam

I'm sorry, but Solarbeaming Groudon sucks, and once Forsty gets on he'll say the same thing. One of those 2 should hav Overheat, since thats the only special type move they hav, and even though it lowers sp. att., it won't matter cause u only need it 2 inflict horrible damage once, and u can clean up w/ another move. 4 the other, if u like accuracy go w/ Flamethrower, if u like power, go w/ Fire Blast.

Frostweaver June 21st, 2004 1:12 PM

Blaziken- [atk or speed + / sp.atk ] @ salac berry
EV: Atk and speed
-endure/sub
-reversal
-overheat
-rock slide

Hyper beam = may the next guy please kill me in one hit, or use the time to dragon dance one turn then kill me. Plus it's pretty pathetic for a move that misses one turn. Average power of hyper beam per turn is just 80 (or was it 70?), which is less than Return. Protect is only for stalling, which you really don't need to.


Groudon- [speed + / sp.atk- ] @ leftovers/lum berry
EV: Atk, speed
-swords dance
-earthquake
-rock slide
-fire blast/overheat

Dance up, sweep away...

One more solarbeaming Groudon in this summer in this forum = new sticky saying "all Groudon user read this"

IceKitten June 21st, 2004 1:17 PM

Have a hazer in ur team as well if ur going with Overheat, and send it out with Blaziken...

Frostweaver June 21st, 2004 1:23 PM

that hazer is only useful in that sense if it's a 2vs2... otherwise, a simple switch will work the same way. Plus, you won't need more than 1 overheat most of the time anyway. Reversal/salac will handle the rest (unless there's QA cough)

IceKitten June 22nd, 2004 10:42 AM

I didn't think that ppl nowadays would still have a Quick Attack in their movepools...

Maybe Extremespeed instead =P

Frostweaver June 22nd, 2004 3:43 PM

QA is actually everywhere... Almost all Flygon has it somewhere. Extremespeed is of course a lot better, but it's highly limited to just Linoone, Rayquaza and Arcanine (stupid move hoggers)

Mew9 June 22nd, 2004 4:23 PM

not if u follow my example and "breed" moves through an Action Replay.

Simon June 22nd, 2004 4:29 PM

I like QA more. For some reason on NB, a Pokemon of mine with ES gets paralyzed and it always 'fully paralyzed'. I've never seen a Flygon use QA yet. ANd Linoone and Rayza can be killed easily can't they?

If you don't want people using Solarbeam on a Groudon, why don't you stick that in the Battling Guide of yours? Although I don't know who would even bother reading that 3 pages essay. Certainly not me anyway.

Mew9 June 22nd, 2004 5:10 PM

Definately not me, which is obvious, based on my strategy. U should shorte it and i'll consider it. Deamonchaos, i just can't get used 2 ur new avitar. It doesn't fit u. I liked the Hitman avitars. and sorry bout callin u demonchase, every time i saw the car avitar it made me think of a car chase and i said demonchase.

HellishHades June 22nd, 2004 6:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by demonchaos916
I like QA more. For some reason on NB, a Pokemon of mine with ES gets paralyzed and it always 'fully paralyzed'.

I've also noticed that. Paralysis seems to be more effective in NetBattle. I've averaged fully paralysing opponents six turns in a row. If I'm up-to-date with Pokémon statistics, there's only a 6.25 per cent probability of that occuring! You may want to contact Masamune with some log examples if you have any.

Simon June 22nd, 2004 6:58 PM

I wouldn't have any. I disabled the logging option after the first 10 times. It was getting annoying having that thing pop up after each battle.

Frostweaver June 22nd, 2004 10:18 PM

you can have it auto log without that thing popping up ^_^; I always thought that paralysis is 50% anyway... Meh. I got used to it.

Rayquaza is easily killed (that's why it's useless). Linoone however can always belly drum/sub abuse, or even add on flail to it... and if you try to QA it to stop flail, it ES you instead to greatly damage your QA-er or even knock it out.


As for my guide, it's already 10 times shorter than the guides in gamefaq, and therefore I consider it too short. But just that at the moment I'm too busy to further add on some stuff. If you mean to break it down into a few posts, then that's just unfair in terms of double posting. What's the point of me to tell everyone else to stop double posting, when my own guide contains 10 posts from me? So I tried to add as much as I could into one post, and only double posted when it exceeds the character limit (which is annoying)

The Bird Lord June 23rd, 2004 6:55 AM

Based on all that stuff this is my moveset:

[email protected] berry
Endure
Reversal
Overheat
Bulk Up

[email protected] bell
EQ
Sword Dance/Bulk up
Fire Blast
Slash

Does Blaze learn Endure and reversal from move tutor?

Frostweaver June 23rd, 2004 8:03 AM

endure/reversal is an egg move, and I'll suggest replacing bulk up with rock slide, or HP Ghost to hit ghost types immune to reversal for Blaziken.

Groudon with slash is jsut terrible... change it to return at least, or just stick in any physical move your team is lacking.

Sparks_67 June 23rd, 2004 9:14 AM

Now how about my kyogre and dusclops.
kyogre mysticwater
protect
hyper beam
water spout
thunder bolt.

Dusclops Spell tag
shadow ball
ice beam
thunder
earthquake.

The Bird Lord June 23rd, 2004 11:25 AM

Kyogre with physical moves? NEVER EVER EQUIP KYOGRE WITH PHYSICAL MOVES!!I'm not yelling either. I'm just trying to make it dramatic.

[email protected]
hydro pump
ice beam
calm mind
thunder

Simon June 23rd, 2004 2:31 PM

Hydro Pump? It's not very accurate. Why not Aurf or WaterSpout instead?

Frostweaver June 23rd, 2004 3:10 PM

Ky00ber- [speed + / atk -] @ mystic water/lum berry
EV: sp.atk, speed
-water spout/surf
-thunder
-ice beam
-HP Grass

note: Kyogre is one of those special cases where mystic water can be used with water spout to maximizes the damage to be the strongest special based attack in the game

The Bird Lord June 23rd, 2004 7:14 PM

What's NetBattle? HAve you guys noticed how this forum changed subjects. isn't this forum to rate Blaziken and Groudon? Sorry if i'm being selfish.

Frostweaver June 23rd, 2004 10:33 PM

off topic is like PC Tradition, and part of our custom. I don't see why we can't drift off a little as long as we're still talking about battling strategies.

Netbattle is an online battling program that's still in beta-testing, but I think it's close to ready very soon... A lot of people are playing on it to help trying out different moves in different situations to help with beta-testing at the moment.

And, I believe that the movesets of Blazey and Groudon are offered to you already, or at least I did ^^;

The Bird Lord June 24th, 2004 9:03 AM

Oh. I'm Sorry. I didn't know the customs (I'm a stupid, selfish newby)


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