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RMT [Sandstorm v2 w/ Threat List]
My other thread died because no one answered the fixes on the updated team so instead of bumping I just created another one. Here's the newer version of my not yet built sandstorm. I am open to all suggestions.
http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa450.png Hippowdon @ Leftovers Sand Stream / Impish Nature EVs: 252 HP / 252 DEF / 6 ATK - Earthquake - Ice Fang - Slack Off - Stealth Rock Keeping this one. Hippowdon did really well in my opinion. http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa472.png Gliscor @ Leftovers Sand Veil / Impish Nature EVs: 252 HP / 252 DEF / 6 ATK - Earthquake - Knock Off - Aerial Ace - Roost Keeping this one too since I need it to counter fighting types/moves. http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa121.png Starmie Choice Specs Natural Cure / Modest Nature EVs: 252 Sp. ATK / 252 SPD / 4 HP - Grass Knot - Ice Beam - Thunderbolt - Surf Didn't like the idea of not having any water or electric moves so I added Starmie into the mix. http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa248.png Tyranitar @ Choice Band Sand Stream / Adamant Nature EVs: 252 ATK / 196 SPD / 60 HP - Crunch - Stone Edge - Earthquake - Pursuit Keeping Tyranitar also because it's one of my heavy hitters and I can't think of anything that I should replace it with. http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa205.png Forretress @ Leftovers Sturdy / Relaxed Nature EVs: 252 HP / 162 ATK / 96 DEF - Spikes - Gyro Ball - Rapid Spin - Earthquake A physical wall/spinner that replaced Garchomp. Gives me grass resistant, Gyro Ball for STAB, EQ for electrics, and Spikes for the extra pain on the switch. http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa346.png Cradily @ Leftovers Suction Cups / Careful Nature EVs: 252 HP / 164 DEF / 92 Sp. DEF - Toxic - Rock Slide - Recover - Earthquake Same Cradily but instead of Stealth Rock I've put in Earthquake Threat List: Tyranitar: Hippowdon / Forretress Gyarados: Starmie Infernape: Hippowdon / Starmie Azelf: Tyranitar [If it doesn't have Focus Blast] Rhyperior: Hippowdon / Starmie? Electivire: Hippowdon [If it doesn't have HP Grass] Heracross: Gliscor Salamence: Hippowdon / Cradily Togekiss: Tyranitar Gengar: Tyranitar [If it doesn't have Focus Blast] / Cradily can switch in on it Garchomp: Starmie / Hippowdon / Forretress Raikou: Cradily Lucario: Gliscor Tauros: Forretress Starmie: Tyranitar Weavile: Forretress Dugtrio: Tyranitar / Hippowdon Alakazam: Cradily PorygonZ: Tyranitar / Cradily Medicham: Forretress? Staraptor: Forretress / Starmie? Slowbro: Tyranitar / Starmie Machamp: Gliscor Jolteon: Tyranitar / Cradily Aerodactyl: Forretress Snorlax: Tyranitar / Hippowdon Zapdos: Gliscor / Cradily Blissey: Tyranitar Suicune: Starmie Sceptile: Forretress / Cradily Breloom: Gliscor Slaking: Hippowdon / Tyranitar? Tangrowth: Gliscor Ninjask: Hippowdon / Forretress Metagross: Hippowdon Heatran: Starmie Celebi: Tyranitar / Gliscor? Jirachi: Tyranitar / Cradily / Hippowdon / Gliscor / Forretress Swampert: Starmie |
Consider Explosion on your Foretress. Gyro Ball will ocasionally leave a heavy dent, but Explosion is pretty much a free kill if you know you're about to be taken down. Set up as many layers of spikes as possible, then explode when the time is right. My opinion, scrap either Gyro Ball or Earthquake for Explosion. (Preferably Earthquake, Gyro Ball gets STAB.) One more small thing, since Foretress pretty much will never strike first, consider an item that will slow him down, maybe Lagging Tail. It'll make Gyroball a lot more powerful I believe.
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Recover is fail on Starmie.
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Matter of fact, Gastrodon would be even more hell to deal with that Swampert would be. (At least one running Curse + Recover anyway) |
You might not like this idea and this is probably too common, but why not an all out spec sweeper Starmie?
Starmie @ Choice Specs Timid EVs: 6 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd -Thunderbolt -Ice Beam -Grass Knot -Surf |
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Hi my name is Starmie and i can survive an unboosted Jolly Weaviles Night Slash with 176 hp evs, which allows me to take the hit and Rapid Spin saving the rest of your team, I also can come back later and Recover on something that doesnt pose a threat and is slower than me thus Recovering the damage ive taken earlier from weavile(Not saying you should stay in on Weavile its just an example of how hard of hits it can take) and repeatedly remove stealth rock and spikes whilst recovering the damage from spikes also. Anyways It doesnt fail on starmie, it has base 85 in both defenses, which is higher than Milotics physical defense and Recover is standard on Milotic yet it doesnt fail. |
Recover on Starmie is definitely NOT fail <_<;
Also, how is your team going to handle a specs draco meteor Salamence? |
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Draco meteor does Damage: 136 - 160 Damage: 36.17% - 42.55% w/Sandsteam up, So just make sure you recover after so you can take a few hits from it. EDIT: 666 posts, today ? Ironic ..... |
Sorry it took me this long to reply. I've made just one change since my last post. I'm going to drop the current Starmie and replace it with SpecsStar with the following information:
Starmie @ Choice Specs Natural Cure / Modest Nature EVs: 252 Sp. ATK / 252 SPD / 4 HP - Grass Knot - Ice Beam - Thunderbolt - Surf Though I'm thinking about replacing it with Empoleon to cover SpecsMence since I see that as my biggest problem currently. I could max out Cradily's HP and SPD and give it Stone Edge, that way I keep Starmie and I lose one of my major weaknesses. |
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Look at my previous post Cradilly only need 92 sp.def EVS to lol at specs mence with Sandstorm up. Theres your Specs Mence Counter. Also you can go with Specs star due to you already having a Rapid Spinner in Forretress. |
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Never the less it still walls Specs Mence and completely Recovers off all the damage taken |
Okay, EVs fixed and I've added Cradily to the Salamence section of the threat list. Also, do I need to take out a move for Stone Edge or is his moveset fine for now?
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I always go with more power on walls for example i put Fire Blast > Flamethrower on Weezing. Saying that Stone Edge could put a dent in Gyarados etc .switching into Cradilly . However its up to you on that one ,so ill leave it for you to decide. Anyways moveset for it looks fine. |
Hmm... Cradily does fine with Rock Slide and I like accuracy over power on my walls also, so I'm going to just keep Rock Slide. Currently the team looks good so I think I might go into the actual development process later today and maybe do some battling tomorrow or Monday.
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