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Oddball November 1st, 2007 2:14 PM

What EV's Should I give the following?
 
I have:

Porygon Z
Scizor
Riolu, which will become Lucario
Beldum, which will become Metagross
Bagon, which will become Salamence
Espeon

I want them all to be sweepers. I also know Lucario isn't the most powerful in the world, but due to his resistances, I liked him. Also, if anyone could tell me which pokemon give the best EV's, that would be wonderful. Also, a moveset if you care to go through the trouble.

Please see p. 3

Thanks in advance, Oddball

EDIT: It looks like I need walls or something. Which 3 sweepers should be kept?

luke November 1st, 2007 2:43 PM

Just to let you know: A team with all Sweepers will fail. =[

And Sweepers usually run the 252/252 Spread.

Oddball November 1st, 2007 2:48 PM

It will? Sorry, I don't know much about the technicalities of this game. What do I need? and what gets 252/252?

luke November 1st, 2007 2:53 PM

2-3 Sweepers
2 Walls
1 Cleric / Spinner / Tank - Whatever your team needs

J-Rad November 1st, 2007 2:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loquacity (Post 3038480)
2-3 Sweepers
2 Walls
1 Cleric / Spinner / Tank - Whatever your team needs

yeah basicly like that here is mine:
Pys Sweepre: Weavile
S Sweeper : Gengar
Mixed sweeper: Eletrivire
there are my 3 sweepers...
mix Wall: Cradily
Specail wall: magnezone
2 walls
and I have a donphan for pysical tank and spinner

airconditioning November 1st, 2007 2:59 PM

Sweepers usually run 252 Spd/ 252 whatever type of Attack they use.

But yes, as Loquacity said, a team of sweepers will be defeated with ease. A good team needs a good balance between sweepers and walls. Walls are Pokemon that take damage and laugh in its face. Most walls focus on a single defense, either Defense (Skarmory excels here), or Special Defense (Blissey is the best Sp. Wall in the game). There are also mixed walls (can't think of any off the top of my head). Tanks are Pokemon that can take a few hits, and deal good damage in return, and are welcome on any team as well.

EDIT: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v634/Gamerman/Image%20Macros/079.png

Oddball November 1st, 2007 3:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loquacity (Post 3038480)
2-3 Sweepers
2 Walls
1 Cleric / Spinner / Tank - Whatever your team needs

What's a ... Wall? High defense? like Blissey?
Also, what's a Cleric, a spinner, and a tank? and what do they need? Sorry I don't understand, the only term I knew was sweeper. :\

Anti November 1st, 2007 3:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oddball (Post 3038503)
What's a ... Wall? High defense? like Blissey?
Also, what's a Cleric, a spinner, and a tank? and what do they need? Sorry I don't understand, the only term I knew was sweeper. :\

Cleric: A pokemon that uses either heal bell or aromatherapy to clear a team of status conditions

(Rapid) spinner: A pokemon that uses rapid spin to clear stealth rock and spikes

Tank: A pokemon that can take and dish out hits

Faceless* November 1st, 2007 3:11 PM

E G G C A M P L E Z : (lol)

Tank = Swampert

Cleric = Blissey

Spinner = Donphan

sims796 November 1st, 2007 3:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3038514)
Cleric: A pokemon that uses either heal bell or aromatherapy to clear a team of status conditions

(Rapid) spinner: A pokemon that uses rapid spin to clear stealth rock and spikes

Tank: A pokemon that can take and dish out hits

Those are actually optional. I tend to use cleric & a tank. Also, the other options are:

Stealth Rocker/Spiker: Those you set up Stealth Rock or Spikes.

Hazer/Shuffler:Those who use Haze to cancel stat changes. Shufflers force switches with Whirlwind or Roar. That also eliminates stat changes.

Those are a few.

Faceless* November 1st, 2007 3:20 PM

For Sweepers, a Ghost type pokemon and a Stealth Rock/Spikes moves is recommended

Nacon November 1st, 2007 3:21 PM

fyi.. shuffling is great for countering substitutes

Oddball November 1st, 2007 3:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Name (Post 3038566)
For Sweepers, a Ghost type pokemon and a Stealth Rock/Spikes moves is recommended


For killing them, or for your team?

sims796 November 1st, 2007 3:25 PM

Oh, Nacon reminded me:

Baton Passer: Those who passes benifitical stat upgrades to others.

Wish Passer:Those who passes Wish to others.

J-Rad November 1st, 2007 3:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3038593)
Oh, Nacon reminded me:

Baton Passer: Those who passes benifitical stat upgrades to others.

Wish Passer:Those who passes Wish to others.

and sub passer: one who uses substitute and passes it on, those aren't realy good IMO

Oddball November 1st, 2007 3:33 PM

So what are two good walls and a good finisher?

airconditioning November 1st, 2007 3:36 PM

Skarmory and Blissey wall a lot of Pokemon, although they're extremely overused. So much so that many Pokemon carry counters to them.

Oddball November 1st, 2007 3:37 PM

Shuckle? Ew, he has low hp though. How about Steelix or Aggron? are they any good?

airconditioning November 1st, 2007 3:39 PM

Yeah, Shuckle isn't very good. Even if his HP is maxed, he lacks the Attack to do any sort of damage to an enemy. He can use Power Trick, true, but that one turn using Power Trick would be a turn used to OHKO you.

J-Rad November 1st, 2007 3:42 PM

steelix actauly is pretty good a STAB gyro ball is nothing to mess w/ and has a base 200 def.

Oddball November 1st, 2007 3:51 PM

So Steelix for tank, skarmory and blissey as walls? also, can't skarmory spike and can't blissey cleric?

airconditioning November 1st, 2007 3:53 PM

Yes, they most certainly can. That's one of the reasons why Skarmbliss is so popular.

Oh, I missed it before, but Aggron fails. He has two 4x weaknesses, Earth and Fighting, both of which are extremely common on any Physical sweeper.

luke November 1st, 2007 4:03 PM

Yay for someone being polite *throws small party* Skarmblissdol is so in right now. Three great walls when paired with one another. Just be careful with two Steel-types on your team: Infernape is common and one Flamethrower will one hit knock out (OHKO) Steelix and Skarmory into oblivion.

airconditioning November 1st, 2007 4:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loquacity (Post 3038775)
Yay for someone being polite *throws small party*

I agree with this. Thank you, Oddball, for being cool, and not being a whiny prick like all the other newbies we've been getting lately.

peabobo's sexy legs November 1st, 2007 4:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airconditioning (Post 3038785)
I agree with this. Thank you, Oddball, for being cool, and not being a whiny prick like all the other newbies we've been getting lately.

*Coughairconditioningcough*





Riolu, Beldum, and Bagon want the 252/252/4 spread in Attack/Speed/HP.

Oddball November 1st, 2007 4:13 PM

Haha, I appreciate the help, and I understand that you all have other things to do besides cater to my every request, and I don't mind the wait. Thanks again, you guys rock.

sims796 November 1st, 2007 4:14 PM

That depends on what they are for. MixedCario/Mence does not use those spreads.

Faceless* November 1st, 2007 4:14 PM

No, you can run Lucario in many ways actually. Salamence needs a few Sp. Atk EV's to be a mixed sweeper, which is probably the best mence. Beldum needs more HP for Agiligross

peabobo's sexy legs November 1st, 2007 4:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3038824)
That depends on what they are for. MixedCario/Mence does not use those spreads.

You have received the "Why Do I Even Bother? This Pokemon fails as a Mixxie." Award

Faceless* November 1st, 2007 4:16 PM

Lol @ Purfugly

Lucario and Salamence are probably the best Mixed sweepers =\ (INFERNAPE = BEST =D)

Oddball November 1st, 2007 4:16 PM

You guys are speaking in tongues to me. Mind dumbing it down? Sorry. :\

Faceless* November 1st, 2007 4:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oddball (Post 3038839)
You guys are speaking in tongues to me. Mind dumbing it down? Sorry. :\

Mixed Sweeper breaks down walls, like

Salamence
- Fire Blast
- Earthquake
- Dragon Claw/Dragon Rush
- Dragon Dance

Destroys Skarm wall, and sweeps at the same time

peabobo's sexy legs November 1st, 2007 4:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Name (Post 3038838)
INFERNAPE

FAIL.

Mixed Sweepers are becoming less useful in the 4th Gen, now that everyone's movepool is more useable.

Faceless* November 1st, 2007 4:20 PM

Wow Purfugly, your completely making me laugh of your n00bishness hahahahaha

Infernape is the best known SkarmBliss counter of all time, Close Combat and Flamethrower with Grass Knot/Stone Edge has the most amazing type coverage, not to mention it breaks down any Steel walls while breaking Special walls (blissey) with Close Combat

give your damn reasons kay?

sims796 November 1st, 2007 4:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purfugly (Post 3038831)
You have received the "Why Do I Even Bother? This Pokemon fails as a Mixxie." Award

Look Purfugly, I don't know what your problem is, but keep your rudeness to yourself.

Oddball November 1st, 2007 4:23 PM

So Infernape for mixed sweeper?

Faceless* November 1st, 2007 4:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3038857)
Look Purfugly, I don't know what your problem is, but keep your rudeness to yourself.

He doesn't even have reasons to support his argument *SAD* =(

Thing is, he needs experience before he can actually give advice

airconditioning November 1st, 2007 4:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purfugly (Post 3038815)
*Coughairconditioningcough*

*coughPurfuglycough*

Just because Mixed Sweepers aren't walled by most of the Pokemon out there doesn't necessarily mean that they suck. ;)

Faceless* November 1st, 2007 4:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oddball (Post 3038865)
So Infernape for mixed sweeper?

It's your choice really, which would you like better? Salamence or Infernape?

Oddball November 1st, 2007 6:08 PM

I prefer Salamence. Okay. So Salamence is my mixed sweeper. Who are my other two?

airconditioning November 1st, 2007 6:23 PM

Porygon Z is an excellent Special Sweeper, as are Starmie, Gengar, and Alakazam.

On the Physical side of things, Heracross is extremely tough. Weavile or Medicham are good choices too.

Oddball November 1st, 2007 6:31 PM

What about metagross? Is he any good for either?

Hmm. I have with me now a riolu, blissey, skarmory, beldum, scizor, porygon-z, bagon, and espeon.

Anti November 1st, 2007 6:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oddball (Post 3039232)
What about metagross? Is he any good for either?

Physical. Agiligross is an amazing physical sweeper (and takes hits like a tank). I don't remember the standard EVs and whatnot, but I know it runs adamant with EQ, meteor mash, agility, and thunderpunch.

Oddball November 1st, 2007 6:34 PM

So I've got this much worked out
Agiligross
Skarmory
Blissey
Porygon-z
Salamence

Anti November 1st, 2007 6:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oddball (Post 3039242)
So I've got this much worked out
Agiligross
Skarmory
Blissey
Porygon-z
Salamence

You're in need aof a rapis spinner. I liek a special tank here...but...if I were you, I'd take out skarm for donphan and then add CMcune. If you wanna keep skarm, use claydol.

Oddball November 1st, 2007 6:40 PM

I'm sorry I don't know what a CmCune or whatever it said is.

airconditioning November 1st, 2007 6:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oddball (Post 3039250)
I'm sorry I don't know what a CmCune or whatever it said is.

CMCune: A Suicune that uses Calm Mind. If you can't get one of these guys, Slowbro does the same thing fairly well.

Anti November 1st, 2007 6:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oddball (Post 3039250)
I'm sorry I don't know what a CmCune or whatever it said is.

Suicune @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure (great for stalling)
EVs: can't remember, mostly in def in HP...a few in SAtk I think
Bold Nature
- Calm Mind
- Surf
- Rest
- Roar / Ice Beam

PLEASE use roar if you use it. you can roar away pesky water absorbers and of course, blissey.

Oddball November 1st, 2007 6:54 PM

Oh, sorry, this is a nonlegendary team, or else I would be using my Deoxys, Darkrai, Rayquaza, Jirachi, Celebi, etc etc.

Anti November 1st, 2007 6:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oddball (Post 3039279)
Oh, sorry, this is a nonlegendary team, or else I would be using my Deoxys, Darkrai, Rayquaza, Jirachi, Celebi, etc etc.

there's a difference between legendary and uber you know...besides celebi, all those pokemon are uber. suicune is fine to have on a standard team, just so you know.

Oddball November 1st, 2007 6:59 PM

Really? My friends freaked out when I used Azelf in a fight.

airconditioning November 1st, 2007 7:02 PM

Azelf is one of the Legendaries that fall into the OU tier, so he's okay for standard play. In fact, there are a number of Legendaries that fall below OU, such as Uxie, Moltres, and Entei (all BL). The entire Uber tier consists of...

* Arceus
* Darkrai
* Deoxys
* Dialga
* Giratina
* Groudon
* Ho-Oh
* Kyogre
* Latias
* Latios
* Lugia
* Manaphy
* Mew
* Mewtwo
* Palkia
* Rayquaza
* Wobbuffet
* Wynaut

Why Wynaut and Wobbuffet? Their insane HP, combined with Encore, Mirror Coat/ Counter, and Shadow Tag make them near unbeatable.

Anti November 1st, 2007 7:04 PM

If your friends didn't know azlef isn't uber...I won't say it...

suicune...or any special tank for that matter, would be a nice addition to your team.

Oddball November 1st, 2007 7:08 PM

Well, they said "no legendarys," and I never considered azelf a legendary, and that's why they freaked out.

Anti November 1st, 2007 7:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oddball (Post 3039326)
Well, they said "no legendarys," and I never considered azelf a legendary, and that's why they freaked out.

anybody who clauses legendaries is a n00b...prefering not to have them or just don't like facing them is one thing. I see that all the time...it's fine. But going, "leik, legnedz are tota11y uberz m6n! (We need Nameless to do his n00b talk for this one...)...but yeah.

some people just don't like legends, which is fine, there IS a difference.

Oddball November 1st, 2007 7:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airconditioning (Post 3039306)

Why Wynaut and Wobbuffet? Their insane HP, combined with Encore, Mirror Coat/ Counter, and Shadow Tag make them near unbeatable.

What's Shadow Tag? I can't find it under the movelist.

Houndoom666 November 1st, 2007 7:13 PM

Im not even sure Suicune is exactly "Ledgendary" persay. Hmm maybe it is ledgendary. Yep it is cuz u cant use him in the Battle Fronteir. Im just now learning about Ubers but what ever they are, Suicune is one of em. XD

Anti November 1st, 2007 7:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oddball (Post 3039350)
What's Shadow Tag? I can't find it under the movelist.

shadow tag is its ability, making you unable to switch out. yeah, wobbufet is a BEAST.

EDIT: Houndoom666, suicune ISN'T uber...I JUST said that :/

Oddball November 1st, 2007 7:14 PM

So what do I need to use then, since Suicune's out for this one?

Anti November 1st, 2007 7:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oddball (Post 3039358)
So what do I need to use then, since Suicune's out for this one?

suicune isn't uber though...houndoom666 is wrong, as I mentioned in my edit. It's a perfectly fine standard pokemon that every team should have a counter for.

Oddball November 1st, 2007 7:20 PM

My friends play no legendary though.

So I have either Skarm + Clay or Donphan + CmCune?

As well as Agiligross, Porygon-Z, Salamence, and Blissey?

Anti November 1st, 2007 7:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oddball (Post 3039380)
My friends play no legendary though.

Tell your friends to play by standard rules or don't play at all.

If they just don't prefer legendaries though it REALLY doesn't sound that way) fine, but explain to them where you're coming from and try to convince them otherwise, eh? works for me :)

But if they don't like CMcune, use gardevoir maybe...it makes decent use of CM and with WoW, can make a beast of a tank.

Oddball November 1st, 2007 7:36 PM

Thanks! So now it's a question of EV's for Agiligross, Salamence, Porygon-Z, Blissey, Donphan and Suicune?

Rantern November 1st, 2007 8:46 PM

Eh, Salamence can work in alot of different ways.IDK if you want just the EV'S or what but i'm just going to post the entire (2) movesets.

Specsmence-

[email protected](choice specs)
Intimidate
Modest(+Sp.Att,-Att)
EV'S: 252 Sp.Att / 252 Speed / 4 HP
-Draco Meteor
-Flamethrower / Fire Blast
-Hydro Pump
-Dragon Pulse

I'd personally run with Flamethrower than with Fire Blast due to the fact that Fire Blast has 5 PP, and it's accuracy is 70% I think(It's still not good enough IMO).Though its Sp. Attack is lower than its
Attack, it can do incredible amounts of damage with the insanely powerful
Draco Meteor. Very few Pokemon can survive a full power Draco Meteor and even
fewer can survive the second round of this move. Only Steel types resist
Dragon moves and those are taken care of by Flamethrower. Heatran is the only
Pokemon that resists both Dragon and Fire attacks, so Hydro Pump is reserved
especially for it. Dragon Pulse is your secondary Dragon move. Use it near the
end of the battle when your opponents have already been weakened.

Then there is the

CBMence-

[email protected]
Intimidate
Adamant(+Att,-Sp.Att)
EV'S: 252 Attack / 252 Speed / 4 HP
-Stone Edge
-Dragon Claw
-Earthquake
-Filler / Fire Blast

The last spot you could place Zen Headbutt because thats what I role with.Fire Blast is an option as well.Although I highly recommend Fire Blast for Skarmory.A STABed Dragon Claw could be a nasty
surprise to people who switch in their Blisseys because they expected your
Salamence to be a Choice Specs version. Earthquake hits Steel types. Fire
Blast hits airbone Steels like Skarmory and Bronzong and will do more damage
than Fire Fang. Stone Edge is for Flyers like Gyarados.


These are the only sets I can think of for now but I'll try to think of more.

Angelic Diablo November 2nd, 2007 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oddball (Post 3039417)
Thanks! So now it's a question of EV's for
Agiligross - 152 HP, 252 Atk, 106 Spd - Adament
Salamence - 200 Atk, 152 Sp Atk, 158 Spd - Naughty/Lonely
Porygon-Z - 252 Sp Atk, 252 Spd, 6 HP - Timid/Modest
Blissey - 252 HP, 252 Def, 6 Sp Def/Sp Atk - Bold
Donphan - 252 HP, 152 Def, 106 Atk - Impish/Adament
Suicune - 252 HP, 180 Def, 76 Sp Atk - Bold

EVs in bold, included Natures because I'm such a nice guy :P

peabobo's sexy legs November 2nd, 2007 2:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3039392)
Tell your friends to play by standard rules or don't play at all.

Anti-Pop, they can play by which ever standards they like.

Oddball November 2nd, 2007 3:45 AM

Quick question: Don't you want blissey to have sp defense since that's her specialty, or do you want it to have defense because of it's low defense?

Angelic Diablo November 2nd, 2007 3:55 AM

unless you plan on using Blissey in the uber tier... always Bold and always Max Def EVs... otherwise any physical hit would KO it...

Blissey (and Milotic) are the only two exceptions (that I can think of) that you put EVs in with the lowest useable stat, ie Defence for Blissey... as it is all about increasing durability, and with as much Sp Def as Blissey has, she doesn't need anymore unless going up against uber pokemon

Arsibiyez November 2nd, 2007 4:03 AM

Blissey desperately needs her Def and Bold Nature because without them, any decent physical attack OHKO's her, even attacks as weak as Aerial Ace will do considerable damage if coming with STAB.

To save you the trouble of asking, STAB means "Same Type Attack Bonus". This means that Pokemon that use moves that are the same type that they are will do 150% damage.



And just to comment on that Wobbuffet thing earlier, that big blue thing gets owned by Future Sight. Future Sight can't be Mirror Coated, so Wobbuffet can't do squat except to Encore it. My Gardevoir loves Future Sight. Lol.

Speaking of Psychic types, what role do you propose to give Espeon? Baton Passer or Special Sweeper? She's been blessed with great SAtk and Speed, so decide on a role, and we can provide possible movesets. =)

Saito November 2nd, 2007 4:31 AM

I heard that stab damage is just what everyone said..Actually do it really stab?

Arsibiyez November 2nd, 2007 5:02 AM

I can't understand what that last post is asking for, so I'll just explain STAB again...

STAB stands for:

S- Same
T- Type
A- Attack
B- Bonus

This means that a Pokemon that uses an attack of the same type will do 150% damage. For example: Breloom, a Grass- and Fighting-type Pokemon, uses Focus Punch. Focus Punch is a Fighting-type attack with a base power of 150. Since Breloom is a Fighting-type Pokemon, Focus Punch will do 150% damage. So, 150 * 1.5, or to make it easier, 150% of 150 is 225. So instead of 150, Focus Punch will have a total power of 225, which is really high. There's no actual STABBING going on. Pokemon don't IMPALE each other.

Anti November 2nd, 2007 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purfugly (Post 3039966)
Anti-Pop, they can play by which ever standards they like.

Maybe so, but he can have his own standards too :/

MewthreeXL November 2nd, 2007 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Satsusen (Post 3040117)
I can't understand what that last post is asking for, so I'll just explain STAB again...

STAB stands for:

S- Same
T- Type
A- Attack
B- Bonus

This means that a Pokemon that uses an attack of the same type will do 150% damage. For example: Breloom, a Grass- and Fighting-type Pokemon, uses Focus Punch. Focus Punch is a Fighting-type attack with a base power of 150. Since Breloom is a Fighting-type Pokemon, Focus Punch will do 150% damage. So, 150 * 1.5, or to make it easier, 150% of 150 is 225. So instead of 150, Focus Punch will have a total power of 225, which is really high. There's no actual STABBING going on. Pokemon don't IMPALE each other.

1.5=50%
1.5=1/2
75 is half of 150
150+75=225

Anti November 2nd, 2007 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MewthreeXL (Post 3040589)
1.5=50%
1.5=1/2
75 is half of 150
150+75=225

Actually, 1.5=1 and 1/2 :/ STAB just make the move 1.5x more powerful.

Oddball November 2nd, 2007 1:16 PM

As far as EV's are concerned:
 
My friend was telling me that he was going to kill Beautiflys which give 3 sp. atk EV's, and use a macho brace and Pokerus to get 12 ev's per fight. He said that will give you maxed in 21 fights, and then once he does all his stats, he's going to rare candy to 100. He's hacked his game of course, but, will this work in theory?

Anti November 2nd, 2007 1:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oddball (Post 3040815)
My friend was telling me that he was going to kill Beautiflys which give 3 sp. atk EV's, and use a macho brace and Pokerus to get 12 ev's per fight. He said that will give you maxed in 21 fights, and then once he does all his stats, he's going to rare candy to 100. He's hacked his game of course, but, will this work in theory?

Rare candy training is total fail. Put in the time or don't play. wiFi sets the levels to level 100 though :/
And yes, it works. Don't count on pokerus though.

airconditioning November 2nd, 2007 1:19 PM

All his stats? I hope your friend realizes that he can only have 510 EVs max on a single Pokemon. :P

As for the Rare Candy thing, I'm not sure if Rare Candies register EVs when levelling up.

EDIT: Anti, I think the friend already has Pokerus. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v634/Gamerman/Image%20Macros/yelwacko.gif Why wouldn't he be able to count on it?

Anti November 2nd, 2007 1:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airconditioning (Post 3040829)
All his stats? I hope your friend realizes that he can only have 510 EVs max on a single Pokemon. :P

As for the Rare Candy thing, I'm not sure if Rare Candies register EVs when levelling up.

EDIT: Anti, I think the friend already has Pokerus. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v634/Gamerman/Image%20Macros/yelwacko.gif Why wouldn't he be able to count on it?

I meant getting pokerus...I've only gotten it once, and I was a n00b, so...I don't wanna talk about it :(

no need to take chances with rare candies. Just sweep through the E4 a few times with a lucky egg.

airconditioning November 2nd, 2007 1:25 PM

The friend hacked his game, so getting Pokerus (or Rare Candies, for that matter) won't be a problem.

Oddball November 2nd, 2007 1:26 PM

lucky egg? what's that? Some sort of über training device?

airconditioning November 2nd, 2007 1:29 PM

Lucky Egg: Multiplies Exp Points gained by 1.5x. Very useful for training.

Oddball November 2nd, 2007 1:32 PM

Wow. Sounds amazing. That's a really fast way to train but it's not worth it if you're not putting in effort. So, are the EV's that I was given what I need to do for my team?

Anti November 2nd, 2007 1:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oddball (Post 3040890)
Wow. Sounds amazing. That's a really fast way to train but it's not worth it if you're not putting in effort. So, are the EV's that I was given what I need to do for my team?

What? You still have to train with lucky egg...not even I'D say that lol...it IS worth it, for the record.

Oddball November 2nd, 2007 1:37 PM

I meant the hacking, the egg sounds wonderful, sorry about the mix up

Anti November 2nd, 2007 1:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oddball (Post 3040905)
I meant the hacking, the egg sounds wonderful, sorry about the mix up

Hacking is the worst and most dishonorable thing you can do.

Oddball November 2nd, 2007 1:41 PM

Aye. I'm training my porygon-z now. sweeper, 252/252/6, yes? What moves does he need?

Anti November 2nd, 2007 1:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oddball (Post 3040913)
Aye. I'm training my porygon-z now. sweeper, 252/252/6, yes? What moves does he need?

Pory Z @ Choice Scarf ** Virtual Doom
Trait: Download, was it?
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Dark Pulse
- Ice Beam
- Tbolt
- Tri attack

Win.

airconditioning November 2nd, 2007 1:43 PM

My favorite moveset is:

-Tri-Attack
-Ice Beam
-Thunderbolt
-Dark Pulse

Tri Attack does crazy damage when combined with Adaptability. Slap a Choice Scarf on him to make him outrun most of the metagame, and you're all set.

EDIT: You can use Download if you want, but you need to have good prediction, not to mention know the stats of a lot of the Pokemon in the game.

Anti November 2nd, 2007 1:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airconditioning (Post 3040924)
My favorite moveset is:

-Tri-Attack
-Ice Beam
-Thunderbolt
-Dark Pulse

Tri Attack does crazy damage when combined with Adaptability. Slap a Choice Scarf on him to make him outrun most of the metagame, and you're all set.

Adaptability was the trait. lol my bad

Oddball November 2nd, 2007 1:48 PM

I've been working on him like all day and he has download =S!

should I just dump him? This suckss

airconditioning November 2nd, 2007 1:51 PM

Yowch... well, Download Porygon is still useable, but you need to have spot on prediction- not to mention know what stats a lot of the Pokemon have.

Anti November 2nd, 2007 1:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oddball (Post 3040944)
I've been working on him like all day and he has download =S!

should I just dump him? This suckss

Adapablility I believe is the superior ability. Make sure it has good IVs, nature, etc.

Oddball November 2nd, 2007 1:52 PM

What does adaptability do?

airconditioning November 2nd, 2007 1:54 PM

Adaptability increases moves that are the same type as yourself by 1.5x. It's basically a second STAB, and multiplies Tri-Attack to 2.25x its base damage.

Oddball November 2nd, 2007 1:54 PM

Wow, I looked it up, that's great. I'd hate to throw it away. I guess I should start over though.

Anti November 2nd, 2007 1:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oddball (Post 3040970)
Wow, I looked it up, that's great. I'd hate to throw it away. I guess I should start over though.

Yes, you should. you MUST ALWAYS strive for perfection (or close ;)) and it'll pay off big.

Oddball November 2nd, 2007 1:55 PM

Is there any way to change it?

Anti November 2nd, 2007 1:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oddball (Post 3040974)
Is there any way to change it?

Rebreed with ditto :/

Modest nature.

Oddball November 2nd, 2007 1:56 PM

AGH, alright. all my work.. that's rather annoying.

airconditioning November 2nd, 2007 1:56 PM

Yeah, sorry. :(

That's why its important to know exactly what you want to do with a Pokemon before you start breeding.


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