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What EV's Should I give the following?
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Porygon Z Scizor Riolu, which will become Lucario Beldum, which will become Metagross Bagon, which will become Salamence Espeon I want them all to be sweepers. I also know Lucario isn't the most powerful in the world, but due to his resistances, I liked him. Also, if anyone could tell me which pokemon give the best EV's, that would be wonderful. Also, a moveset if you care to go through the trouble. Please see p. 3 Thanks in advance, Oddball EDIT: It looks like I need walls or something. Which 3 sweepers should be kept? |
Just to let you know: A team with all Sweepers will fail. =[
And Sweepers usually run the 252/252 Spread. |
It will? Sorry, I don't know much about the technicalities of this game. What do I need? and what gets 252/252?
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2-3 Sweepers
2 Walls 1 Cleric / Spinner / Tank - Whatever your team needs |
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Pys Sweepre: Weavile S Sweeper : Gengar Mixed sweeper: Eletrivire there are my 3 sweepers... mix Wall: Cradily Specail wall: magnezone 2 walls and I have a donphan for pysical tank and spinner |
Sweepers usually run 252 Spd/ 252 whatever type of Attack they use.
But yes, as Loquacity said, a team of sweepers will be defeated with ease. A good team needs a good balance between sweepers and walls. Walls are Pokemon that take damage and laugh in its face. Most walls focus on a single defense, either Defense (Skarmory excels here), or Special Defense (Blissey is the best Sp. Wall in the game). There are also mixed walls (can't think of any off the top of my head). Tanks are Pokemon that can take a few hits, and deal good damage in return, and are welcome on any team as well. EDIT: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v634/Gamerman/Image%20Macros/079.png |
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Also, what's a Cleric, a spinner, and a tank? and what do they need? Sorry I don't understand, the only term I knew was sweeper. :\ |
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(Rapid) spinner: A pokemon that uses rapid spin to clear stealth rock and spikes Tank: A pokemon that can take and dish out hits |
E G G C A M P L E Z : (lol)
Tank = Swampert Cleric = Blissey Spinner = Donphan |
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Stealth Rocker/Spiker: Those you set up Stealth Rock or Spikes. Hazer/Shuffler:Those who use Haze to cancel stat changes. Shufflers force switches with Whirlwind or Roar. That also eliminates stat changes. Those are a few. |
For Sweepers, a Ghost type pokemon and a Stealth Rock/Spikes moves is recommended
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fyi.. shuffling is great for countering substitutes
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For killing them, or for your team? |
Oh, Nacon reminded me:
Baton Passer: Those who passes benifitical stat upgrades to others. Wish Passer:Those who passes Wish to others. |
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So what are two good walls and a good finisher?
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Skarmory and Blissey wall a lot of Pokemon, although they're extremely overused. So much so that many Pokemon carry counters to them.
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Shuckle? Ew, he has low hp though. How about Steelix or Aggron? are they any good?
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Yeah, Shuckle isn't very good. Even if his HP is maxed, he lacks the Attack to do any sort of damage to an enemy. He can use Power Trick, true, but that one turn using Power Trick would be a turn used to OHKO you.
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steelix actauly is pretty good a STAB gyro ball is nothing to mess w/ and has a base 200 def.
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So Steelix for tank, skarmory and blissey as walls? also, can't skarmory spike and can't blissey cleric?
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Yes, they most certainly can. That's one of the reasons why Skarmbliss is so popular.
Oh, I missed it before, but Aggron fails. He has two 4x weaknesses, Earth and Fighting, both of which are extremely common on any Physical sweeper. |
Yay for someone being polite *throws small party* Skarmblissdol is so in right now. Three great walls when paired with one another. Just be careful with two Steel-types on your team: Infernape is common and one Flamethrower will one hit knock out (OHKO) Steelix and Skarmory into oblivion.
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Riolu, Beldum, and Bagon want the 252/252/4 spread in Attack/Speed/HP. |
Haha, I appreciate the help, and I understand that you all have other things to do besides cater to my every request, and I don't mind the wait. Thanks again, you guys rock.
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That depends on what they are for. MixedCario/Mence does not use those spreads.
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No, you can run Lucario in many ways actually. Salamence needs a few Sp. Atk EV's to be a mixed sweeper, which is probably the best mence. Beldum needs more HP for Agiligross
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Lol @ Purfugly
Lucario and Salamence are probably the best Mixed sweepers =\ (INFERNAPE = BEST =D) |
You guys are speaking in tongues to me. Mind dumbing it down? Sorry. :\
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Salamence - Fire Blast - Earthquake - Dragon Claw/Dragon Rush - Dragon Dance Destroys Skarm wall, and sweeps at the same time |
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Mixed Sweepers are becoming less useful in the 4th Gen, now that everyone's movepool is more useable. |
Wow Purfugly, your completely making me laugh of your n00bishness hahahahaha
Infernape is the best known SkarmBliss counter of all time, Close Combat and Flamethrower with Grass Knot/Stone Edge has the most amazing type coverage, not to mention it breaks down any Steel walls while breaking Special walls (blissey) with Close Combat give your damn reasons kay? |
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So Infernape for mixed sweeper?
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Thing is, he needs experience before he can actually give advice |
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Just because Mixed Sweepers aren't walled by most of the Pokemon out there doesn't necessarily mean that they suck. ;) |
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I prefer Salamence. Okay. So Salamence is my mixed sweeper. Who are my other two?
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Porygon Z is an excellent Special Sweeper, as are Starmie, Gengar, and Alakazam.
On the Physical side of things, Heracross is extremely tough. Weavile or Medicham are good choices too. |
What about metagross? Is he any good for either?
Hmm. I have with me now a riolu, blissey, skarmory, beldum, scizor, porygon-z, bagon, and espeon. |
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So I've got this much worked out
Agiligross Skarmory Blissey Porygon-z Salamence |
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I'm sorry I don't know what a CmCune or whatever it said is.
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Trait: Pressure (great for stalling) EVs: can't remember, mostly in def in HP...a few in SAtk I think Bold Nature - Calm Mind - Surf - Rest - Roar / Ice Beam PLEASE use roar if you use it. you can roar away pesky water absorbers and of course, blissey. |
Oh, sorry, this is a nonlegendary team, or else I would be using my Deoxys, Darkrai, Rayquaza, Jirachi, Celebi, etc etc.
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Really? My friends freaked out when I used Azelf in a fight.
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Azelf is one of the Legendaries that fall into the OU tier, so he's okay for standard play. In fact, there are a number of Legendaries that fall below OU, such as Uxie, Moltres, and Entei (all BL). The entire Uber tier consists of...
* Arceus * Darkrai * Deoxys * Dialga * Giratina * Groudon * Ho-Oh * Kyogre * Latias * Latios * Lugia * Manaphy * Mew * Mewtwo * Palkia * Rayquaza * Wobbuffet * Wynaut Why Wynaut and Wobbuffet? Their insane HP, combined with Encore, Mirror Coat/ Counter, and Shadow Tag make them near unbeatable. |
If your friends didn't know azlef isn't uber...I won't say it...
suicune...or any special tank for that matter, would be a nice addition to your team. |
Well, they said "no legendarys," and I never considered azelf a legendary, and that's why they freaked out.
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some people just don't like legends, which is fine, there IS a difference. |
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Im not even sure Suicune is exactly "Ledgendary" persay. Hmm maybe it is ledgendary. Yep it is cuz u cant use him in the Battle Fronteir. Im just now learning about Ubers but what ever they are, Suicune is one of em. XD
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EDIT: Houndoom666, suicune ISN'T uber...I JUST said that :/ |
So what do I need to use then, since Suicune's out for this one?
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My friends play no legendary though.
So I have either Skarm + Clay or Donphan + CmCune? As well as Agiligross, Porygon-Z, Salamence, and Blissey? |
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If they just don't prefer legendaries though it REALLY doesn't sound that way) fine, but explain to them where you're coming from and try to convince them otherwise, eh? works for me :) But if they don't like CMcune, use gardevoir maybe...it makes decent use of CM and with WoW, can make a beast of a tank. |
Thanks! So now it's a question of EV's for Agiligross, Salamence, Porygon-Z, Blissey, Donphan and Suicune?
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Eh, Salamence can work in alot of different ways.IDK if you want just the EV'S or what but i'm just going to post the entire (2) movesets.
Specsmence- [email protected](choice specs) Intimidate Modest(+Sp.Att,-Att) EV'S: 252 Sp.Att / 252 Speed / 4 HP -Draco Meteor -Flamethrower / Fire Blast -Hydro Pump -Dragon Pulse I'd personally run with Flamethrower than with Fire Blast due to the fact that Fire Blast has 5 PP, and it's accuracy is 70% I think(It's still not good enough IMO).Though its Sp. Attack is lower than its Attack, it can do incredible amounts of damage with the insanely powerful Draco Meteor. Very few Pokemon can survive a full power Draco Meteor and even fewer can survive the second round of this move. Only Steel types resist Dragon moves and those are taken care of by Flamethrower. Heatran is the only Pokemon that resists both Dragon and Fire attacks, so Hydro Pump is reserved especially for it. Dragon Pulse is your secondary Dragon move. Use it near the end of the battle when your opponents have already been weakened. Then there is the CBMence- [email protected] Intimidate Adamant(+Att,-Sp.Att) EV'S: 252 Attack / 252 Speed / 4 HP -Stone Edge -Dragon Claw -Earthquake -Filler / Fire Blast The last spot you could place Zen Headbutt because thats what I role with.Fire Blast is an option as well.Although I highly recommend Fire Blast for Skarmory.A STABed Dragon Claw could be a nasty surprise to people who switch in their Blisseys because they expected your Salamence to be a Choice Specs version. Earthquake hits Steel types. Fire Blast hits airbone Steels like Skarmory and Bronzong and will do more damage than Fire Fang. Stone Edge is for Flyers like Gyarados. These are the only sets I can think of for now but I'll try to think of more. |
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Quick question: Don't you want blissey to have sp defense since that's her specialty, or do you want it to have defense because of it's low defense?
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unless you plan on using Blissey in the uber tier... always Bold and always Max Def EVs... otherwise any physical hit would KO it...
Blissey (and Milotic) are the only two exceptions (that I can think of) that you put EVs in with the lowest useable stat, ie Defence for Blissey... as it is all about increasing durability, and with as much Sp Def as Blissey has, she doesn't need anymore unless going up against uber pokemon |
Blissey desperately needs her Def and Bold Nature because without them, any decent physical attack OHKO's her, even attacks as weak as Aerial Ace will do considerable damage if coming with STAB.
To save you the trouble of asking, STAB means "Same Type Attack Bonus". This means that Pokemon that use moves that are the same type that they are will do 150% damage. And just to comment on that Wobbuffet thing earlier, that big blue thing gets owned by Future Sight. Future Sight can't be Mirror Coated, so Wobbuffet can't do squat except to Encore it. My Gardevoir loves Future Sight. Lol. Speaking of Psychic types, what role do you propose to give Espeon? Baton Passer or Special Sweeper? She's been blessed with great SAtk and Speed, so decide on a role, and we can provide possible movesets. =) |
I heard that stab damage is just what everyone said..Actually do it really stab?
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I can't understand what that last post is asking for, so I'll just explain STAB again...
STAB stands for: S- Same T- Type A- Attack B- Bonus This means that a Pokemon that uses an attack of the same type will do 150% damage. For example: Breloom, a Grass- and Fighting-type Pokemon, uses Focus Punch. Focus Punch is a Fighting-type attack with a base power of 150. Since Breloom is a Fighting-type Pokemon, Focus Punch will do 150% damage. So, 150 * 1.5, or to make it easier, 150% of 150 is 225. So instead of 150, Focus Punch will have a total power of 225, which is really high. There's no actual STABBING going on. Pokemon don't IMPALE each other. |
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1.5=1/2 75 is half of 150 150+75=225 |
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As far as EV's are concerned:
My friend was telling me that he was going to kill Beautiflys which give 3 sp. atk EV's, and use a macho brace and Pokerus to get 12 ev's per fight. He said that will give you maxed in 21 fights, and then once he does all his stats, he's going to rare candy to 100. He's hacked his game of course, but, will this work in theory?
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And yes, it works. Don't count on pokerus though. |
All his stats? I hope your friend realizes that he can only have 510 EVs max on a single Pokemon. :P
As for the Rare Candy thing, I'm not sure if Rare Candies register EVs when levelling up. EDIT: Anti, I think the friend already has Pokerus. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v634/Gamerman/Image%20Macros/yelwacko.gif Why wouldn't he be able to count on it? |
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no need to take chances with rare candies. Just sweep through the E4 a few times with a lucky egg. |
The friend hacked his game, so getting Pokerus (or Rare Candies, for that matter) won't be a problem.
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lucky egg? what's that? Some sort of über training device?
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Lucky Egg: Multiplies Exp Points gained by 1.5x. Very useful for training.
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Wow. Sounds amazing. That's a really fast way to train but it's not worth it if you're not putting in effort. So, are the EV's that I was given what I need to do for my team?
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I meant the hacking, the egg sounds wonderful, sorry about the mix up
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Aye. I'm training my porygon-z now. sweeper, 252/252/6, yes? What moves does he need?
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Trait: Download, was it? EVs: 4 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk) - Dark Pulse - Ice Beam - Tbolt - Tri attack Win. |
My favorite moveset is:
-Tri-Attack -Ice Beam -Thunderbolt -Dark Pulse Tri Attack does crazy damage when combined with Adaptability. Slap a Choice Scarf on him to make him outrun most of the metagame, and you're all set. EDIT: You can use Download if you want, but you need to have good prediction, not to mention know the stats of a lot of the Pokemon in the game. |
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I've been working on him like all day and he has download =S!
should I just dump him? This suckss |
Yowch... well, Download Porygon is still useable, but you need to have spot on prediction- not to mention know what stats a lot of the Pokemon have.
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What does adaptability do?
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Adaptability increases moves that are the same type as yourself by 1.5x. It's basically a second STAB, and multiplies Tri-Attack to 2.25x its base damage.
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Wow, I looked it up, that's great. I'd hate to throw it away. I guess I should start over though.
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Is there any way to change it?
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Modest nature. |
AGH, alright. all my work.. that's rather annoying.
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Yeah, sorry. :(
That's why its important to know exactly what you want to do with a Pokemon before you start breeding. |
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