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scwizard November 4th, 2007 9:20 PM

scwizard's first RMT
 
I've been playing this on Shoddy. It's actually been winning which has surprised me since I'm not that good. Didn't see much of a lot of pokemon though. The best part is when I have been losing it's because I've made mistakes and switched into the wrong pokemon for instance. For example switching in Raichu when the opener is Gyarados instead of Garchomp.

Umbreon @ Leftovers (F)
Impish
EVs: 120 hp, 252 defense, 136, special def
*Taunt
*Moonlight
*Mean Look
*Baton Pass

Charizard @ Choice Scarf (M)
Modest
EVs: 252 sped, 252 special atk, 4 defense
*Overheat
*Air Slash
*Hidden Power (grass)
*Focus Blast

Froslass @ Focus Sash (F)
Timid
EVs: 252 speed, 252 special atk, 4 defense
*Ice Beam
*Shadow Ball
*Thunderbolt
*Destiny Bond

Raichu @ Salac Berry (M)
Adamant
EVs: 252 speed, 252 attack, 4 defense
*Fake Out
*Volt Tackle
*Endure
*Reversal

Forretress @ Leftovers (M)
Timid
EVs: 252 hp, 56 defense, 200 special def
*Stealth Rock
*Spikes
*Rapid Spin
*Explosion

Garchomp @ Choice Scarf (M)
Adamant
EVs: 252 speed, 252 attack, 4 special def
*Crunch
*Earthquake
*Outrage
*Stone Edge

I admit I have a strong bias towards Umbreon. I don't feel like explaining myself. It's not that complicated. Garchomp = physical sweeper, charizard = special sweeper etc. It's probably not the best team considering how little experiance I have, but I don't think it's too terrible because unlike the other teams I've made it can win.

Lumine November 4th, 2007 9:27 PM

Hey I have to admit, you've got a nice team going there, but Charizard is gg'ed easily by stealth rock you know, so I suggest swapping that for something else like Gengar or Alakazam, I know you've got a spinner but it just doesn't feel right

Iceman3k November 4th, 2007 9:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scwizard (Post 3050682)
I've been playing this on Shoddy. It's actually been winning which has surprised me since I'm not that good. Didn't see much of a lot of pokemon though. The best part is when I have been losing it's because I've made mistakes and switched into the wrong pokemon for instance. For example switching in Raichu when the opener is Gyarados instead of Garchomp.

Umbreon @ Leftovers (F)
Impish
EVs: 120 hp, 252 defense, 136, special def
*Taunt
*Wish
*Mean Look
*Baton Pass
Use Wish. Iceman3k commands it.

Charizard @ Choice Specs (M)
Timid
EVs: 252 speed, 252 special atk, 4 defense
*Overheat
*Air Slash
*Hidden Power (grass)
*Focus Blast
With all of that Speed, Charizard doesn't need Choice Scarf =/

Froslass @ Focus Sash (F)
Timid
EVs: 252 speed, 252 special atk, 4 defense
*Ice Beam
*Shadow Ball
*Thunderbolt
*Destiny Bond
Fine, I guess.

Raichu @ Salac Berry (M)
Adamant
EVs: 252 speed, 252 attack, 4 defense
*Fake Out
*Thunderpunch
*Endure
*Reversal
Volt Tackle on a Reversal set = Total Suicide.

Forretress @ Leftovers (M)
Relaxed
EVs: 252 hp, 56 defense, 200 special def
*Stealth Rock
*Spikes
*Rapid Spin
*Explosion
Don't know what you're running Sp. Defense for, and it'll STILL get OHKOed by Fire Attacks =/
And running Stealth Rock AND Spikes on the same Pokemon is total redundancy. Pick one, replace the other with Gyro Ball. Light Screen or Earthquake over Explosion.


Garchomp @ Choice Scarf (M)
Adamant
EVs: 252 speed, 252 attack, 4 special def
*Crunch
*Earthquake
*Outrage
*Stone Edge
Uh sure.

I admit I have a strong bias towards Umbreon. I don't feel like explaining myself. It's not that complicated. Garchomp = physical sweeper, charizard = special sweeper etc. It's probably not the best team considering how little experiance I have, but I don't think it's too terrible because unlike the other teams I've made it can win.

This team certainly isn't Stealth Rock or Spike friendly.
You'll probably have some problems with Choice Specs Starmie. Might not be a common threat, but it's an extremely big one.

scwizard November 4th, 2007 10:11 PM

I used to have wish. Experience made me change it. Umbreon kept dying when I used wish. With moonlight and taunt Umbreon can pwn anything holding life orb.

Charizard needs the speed to outpace the huge amount of 110 and 120 base seed stuff people use. If I'm OHKOing everything what's the point of specs.

@Timid ghost: Your 100% right, that I just got pwned because I wasn't timid. Changing atm.

Having both special and physical doesn't work generally. I might try it though but not now. I'll start paying attention to the context I use volt tackle and see how many times it kills me.

@Foretress: Your right on the EVs it's turning out. I tried Gyro Ball and it didn't work for me. Explosion has worked really well though. It works well enough that many many people run the exact same moveset I do. I would run gyro instead of stealth rock if I had another stealth rock person, but I don't.

Hmm, once EQ on a Foretress killed one of my guys. I could try that out over explosion. I don't think EQ can OHKO PorygonZ though :D

@Stealth rock pain: Yup, I won't deny that. I've lost games because of it.

I want a fast and powerful special sweeper that can shoot fire. It doesn't need to be stabbed. Neither Alakazam nor Gengar can do that (fire punch doesn't count).

Iceman3k November 4th, 2007 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scwizard (Post 3050750)
I used to have wish. Experience made me change it. Umbreon kept dying when I used wish. With moonlight and taunt Umbreon can pwn anything holding life orb.
The whole objective of using Wish is to heal other Members. Also, Wish is probably not to be used unless used in combination with Protect.

Charizard needs the speed to outpace the huge amount of 110 and 120 base seed stuff people use. If I'm OHKOing everything what's the point of specs.
If you're going to run Choice Specs, then change to a Modest Nature. 317 SAtk isn't going to OHKO anything. Hurt, yes, but kill, no.

@Timid ghost: Your 100% right, that I just got pwned because I wasn't timid. Changing atm.

Having both special and physical doesn't work generally. I might try it though but not now. I'll start paying attention to the context I use volt tackle and see how many times it kills me.
Thunderpunch isn't a Sp. Attack.

@Foretress: Your right on the EVs it's turning out. I tried Gyro Ball and it didn't work for me. Explosion has worked really well though. It works well enough that many many people run the exact same moveset I do. I would run gyro instead of stealth rock if I had another stealth rock person, but I don't.

Hmm, once EQ on a Foretress killed one of my guys. I could try that out over explosion. I don't think EQ can OHKO PorygonZ though :D
That's what we have Gyro Ball for.
Except coming from Forretress, it's not OHKOing anything. Forretress is not made for Physical Sweeping (unless you run with Choice Band but that would destroy Forretress's Purpose)


@Stealth rock pain: Yup, I won't deny that. I've lost games because of it.

I want a fast and powerful special sweeper that can shoot fire. It doesn't need to be stabbed. Neither Alakazam nor Gengar can do that (fire punch doesn't count).

Then IMO, you should be using Magmortar.

Magmortar @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Fire Blast
- Focus Blast
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power (Ice)
Better Sp. Attack, better choice of attacks compared to Charizard.

Oh and one more thing, be on the lookout of Choice Banded STABed Earthquake Attackers.

scwizard November 4th, 2007 10:56 PM

Hmm, there was one battle where I was just barely outspeeding everything then OKHOing it. In this last battle though choice specs would have helped.

Let me make char modest for now and see how that improves things. I really think it'll get outsped like crazy though without scarf.

Explosion has style >_> It also pwns togkiss.

EDIT: I'll give Magmortar a shot in a few.

Does Gyroball really OHKO Porygonz?

Samson November 4th, 2007 11:41 PM

no, i hope gyroball doesn't ohko porygon z ._.

then again, i'm the kinda fool who runs his scarf porygon z w/ near max hp, so what do i know.

your team is gonna have major troubles with just about any random sandstorm team.

scwizard November 4th, 2007 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Samson (Post 3050860)
no, i hope gyroball doesn't ohko porygon z ._.

then again, i'm the kinda fool who runs his scarf porygon z w/ near max hp, so what do i know.

your team is gonna have major troubles with just about any random sandstorm team.

Why? I've beaten teams with sandstorm and teams with blizzard, I don't see why it'd give me a hard time...

ThePlaya November 4th, 2007 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scwizard (Post 3050682)
I've been playing this on Shoddy. It's actually been winning which has surprised me since I'm not that good. Didn't see much of a lot of pokemon though. The best part is when I have been losing it's because I've made mistakes and switched into the wrong pokemon for instance. For example switching in Raichu when the opener is Gyarados instead of Garchomp.

Umbreon @ Leftovers (F)
Impish
EVs: 120 hp, 252 defense, 136, special def
*Taunt
*Moonlight
*Mean Look
*Baton Pass
Good id say but you might want to squeeze in dark pulse just incase its your last poke.

Charizard @ Charcoal/Wise Glasses/Wise Lense (M)
Timid
EVs: 252 sped, 252 special atk, 4 HP
*Flamethrower
*Air Slash
*Dragon Pulse
*Focus Blast
Youll get walled by Dragon pokes if you dont have dragon pulse.Also youll feel more comfortably with Flamethrower rater than overheat.


Froslass @ Focus Sash (F)
Timid
EVs: 252 speed, 252 special atk, 4 defense
*Ice Beam
*Shadow Ball
*Thunderbolt
*Destiny Bond
Give it as MUCH speed as possible

Raichu @ Salac Berry (M)
Adamant
EVs: 252 speed, 252 attack, 4 defense
*Fake Out
*Thunderpunch
*Endure
*Reversal
Just think TP is better over Volt Tackle.Everything else good id say

Forretress @ Leftovers (M)
Impish
EVs: 252 hp, 252 defense, 6 Attack
*Stealth Rock
*EQ/Gyro Ball
*Rapid Spin
*Explosion
It STILL fails if you get it a beneficial nature with sp.defense evs since its 4x weaks agains fire types.

Garchomp @ Choice Scarf (M)
Jolly
EVs: 252 speed, 252 attack, 4 special def
*Crunch/Swords Dance
*Earthquake
*Outrage/Dragon Claw
*Stone Edge
It should have the max speed possible.A swords dance and your ready to go.Id Kind of prefer dragon claw over outrage.

I admit I have a strong bias towards Umbreon. I don't feel like explaining myself. It's not that complicated. Garchomp = physical sweeper, charizard = special sweeper etc. It's probably not the best team considering how little experiance I have, but I don't think it's too terrible because unlike the other teams I've made it can win.

Well i hope ve been a help.:)

scwizard November 5th, 2007 1:39 AM

Froslass is timid now. I fixed that already.
It used to be dragonpulse, but I found I never used it. I have tons of other answers to dragons. I had no answers to Swampert though.

I'll also fix the nature on foretress. I don't get what people have against it exploding though. It keeps killing stuff for me.

I guess you didn't notice stuff had choice scarf, that's the only reason you'd recommend swords dance.

@Unscarfing Charizard: Tons of stuff will stone edge it if it loses its scarf. Also people think they can outspeed it and they can't giving me nice kills :)

Anti November 5th, 2007 1:06 PM

thePlaya...

Recommending charcoal = no. The 10% boost does very little, making all those items a waste. Also, what kind of idiot leaves forry in against fire types?

Heracross and electivire can give this team problems...

Dark Azelf November 5th, 2007 1:16 PM

Scarf Revenge Killer Chomp is this


[email protected] Scarf
Lonely Nature
252 ATT / 224 SPEED / 36 DEF
- Outrage
- Fire Blast
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge

Just make sure you take out steel types and put a stop to focus Sash abusers with Stealth Rock and Spikes before you use Outrage, thats best left for late game sweep. Fire Blast is for Skarmory/Random steels etc.

It doesnt need max speed with Scarf it reaches 444 speed with 224 evs in speed which is enough.

scwizard November 5th, 2007 1:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3051943)
Heracross and electivire can give this team problems...

Gah HOW???

If your going to say something like that regardless whether your right or not if you don't say why I have no idea what to do to fix these problems.

Why do those pokemon give me problems, why does sandstorm give me problems? That kind of advice is completely useless without the whys.

Anti November 5th, 2007 1:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scwizard (Post 3052099)
Gah HOW???

If your going to say something like that regardless whether your right or not if you don't say why I have no idea what to do to fix these problems.

Why do those pokemon give me problems, why does sandstorm give me problems? That kind of advice is completely useless without the whys.

It lets you know you have the problem. I can't tell you exactly how to fix it, it takes the fun out of the game. that's for you to decide.

Faceless* November 5th, 2007 1:50 PM

This is the kind of team that is completely destroyed by SkarmBliss, you have no Mixed Sweepers

Use at least one, it's always for the best

Anti November 5th, 2007 1:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Name (Post 3052115)
This is the kind of team that is completely destroyed by SkarmBliss, you have no Mixed Sweepers

Use at least one, it's always for the best

Not necessarily, as not all skarmbliss counters are mixed sweepers. Boah and Jirachi are examples. Jirachi lols at skarm with thunderbolt or fire punch and can outstall blissey with wish and power up with calm mind.

Dark Azelf November 5th, 2007 1:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3052119)
Not necessarily, as not all skarmbliss counters are mixed sweepers. Boah and Jirachi are examples. Jirachi lols at skarm with thunderbolt or fire punch and can outstall blissey with wish and power up with calm mind.

Isnt Boah mixed ??!! XD

Focus Punch, Thunderbolt/Ice Beam/Flamethrower, Dark Pulse/Crunch and Substitute = Mixed lol

Anti November 5th, 2007 1:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 3052124)
Isnt Boah mixed ??!! XD

Focus Punch, Thunderbolt, Dark Pulse and Substitute = Mixed lol

But it isn't a sweeper...though maybe I was a little TOO literal. Eh, my point stands. But yeah. I don't have a mixed sweeper, and proud of it.

Faceless* November 5th, 2007 1:57 PM

Fire Punch = Physical

Thunderbolt = Special

Ring a bell? =D

Anti November 5th, 2007 1:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Name (Post 3052133)
Fire Punch = Physical

Thunderbolt = Special

Ring a bell? =D

I play 3rd gen remember. Why would I use fire punch on skarm anyways? lol

I need to put that in all my posts, since all my references are to 3rd gen, as much as I try for that not to happen.

Faceless* November 5th, 2007 2:01 PM

This team doesn't have Jirachi, and those are rare

Anti November 5th, 2007 2:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Name (Post 3052144)
This team doesn't have Jirachi, and those are rare

Just an example that skarmbliss killers don't have to be mixed sweepers.

But anyways, Vire lays a supereffective shot on 4 of your pokemon, and they can't really take the hits either. Heracross (scarfcross edition) outspeeds about everything and lays hard hits on most of them. CBcross...nothing you have can really counter it, though not much can. It'll nail even forry with some tough damage.

scwizard November 5th, 2007 3:42 PM

I think I just accidentally replaced Froslass with Weavile lol.

Anti November 5th, 2007 3:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scwizard (Post 3052533)
I think I just accidentally replaced Froslass with Weavile lol.

What is that supposed to mean?

scwizard November 5th, 2007 3:45 PM

That my team is different now.

@APCW: What makes your advice useless is that I have destroyed every electrivire I've come across.

Against SkarmBliss The idea is to trap them with taunting umbreon. I haven't hit SkarmBliss yet though.


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