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Lunux November 5th, 2007 8:34 PM

Umbreon?
 
Would this be a good annoyer tank umbreon?

Umbreon @ leftovers
Careful
252 hp, 140 s def, 132 def
toxic
meanlook/faint attack
Baton pass/double team
moonlight

I'm probably gonna get pounded by you guys but please go easy. I don't think it would be that bad but...

Anti November 5th, 2007 8:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lunux (Post 3053538)
Would this be a good annoyer tank umbreon?

Umbreon @ leftovers
bold
252 hp, 4 s def, 252 def
Baton Pass
Mean Look
Taunt
Wish

I'm probably gonna get pounded by you guys but please go easy. I don't think it would be that bad but...

that's better...edit in BOLD...wish pwns moonlight BTW, as sandstream doesn't screw it and wish can be passed to the rest of the team.

ThePlaya November 5th, 2007 9:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lunux (Post 3053538)
Would this be a good annoyer tank umbreon?

Umbreon @ leftovers
Bold
252 hp, 140 s def, 132 def
Meanlook
Baton Pass
Moonlight
Taunt/Dark Pulse

I'm probably gonna get pounded by you guys but please go easy. I don't think it would be that bad but...

no no something like this anti-pop.
Moonlight i think would work better on it.And You will need an attacking just incase its your last poke....i guess this looks right.

luke November 6th, 2007 6:28 AM

The thing with Moonlight is that it's affected by the weather. So in Sandstorm (the most common Weather condition), you're limited to 25% Health healed. With Wish, there's the constant 50% returned along with the ability to pass it to others.

Wish > Moonlight

MegaDitto November 6th, 2007 6:32 AM

Moonlight is not a bad move to begin with. But Loquacity proved the reason to it.

Umbreon @ Leftovers
Careful/Bold
252 HP / 144 Def/ 128 Sp Def
-Toxic
-Wish
-Protect/Quick Attack
-Baton Pass/Taunt

Quick Attack will be reliable as an unknown finishing attack after Toxic reduces the health to less than 10%...or Protect to prevent damage while Wish is in process.

Lumine November 6th, 2007 6:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bleach and Sunshine (Post 3054184)
Quick Attack will be reliable as an unknown finishing attack after Toxic reduces the health to less than 10%...or Protect to prevent damage while Wish is in process.

As for offensive move Dark Pulse / Payback are a possibility but I've never tried Umbreon with Quick Attack, who knows? it could work better.

Also main thing with Wish is that its passable to others making Umbreon one awesome and unique Cleric.

Anti November 6th, 2007 7:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThePlaya (Post 3053607)
no no something like this anti-pop.
Moonlight i think would work better on it.And You will need an attacking just incase its your last poke....i guess this looks right.

Moonlight sucks. 5 PP, TTar and snadstreamers screw it...yeah, it sucks. Wish isn't affected by weather and can be passed by weather :/

And Umbreon should NEVER be your last poke. If it is O_O

Dark pulse sucks, since umbreon has 60 base special attack. And umbreon NEEDS max defense or you're gonna get screwed.

Lumine November 6th, 2007 8:08 AM

Moonlight pretty self explanatory as the above tryhard hardcore 3rd gen player awesome rater said =P

Or you can try Faint Attack lulz XD, you need to play your cards right if you expect Umbreon to assist you as much as possible. But IF Umbreon were to be your last Poke then just wave goodbye to your victory.

Anti November 6th, 2007 8:09 AM

Attack moves are just a total waste on umbreon, unless you want to CB it or something lol

But really, it is total suicide doing that. What's dark pulse gonna hurt?

Lumine November 6th, 2007 8:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3054329)
Attack moves are just a total waste on umbreon, unless you want to CB it or something lol

But really, it is total suicide doing that. What's dark pulse gonna hurt?

CB Umbreon? hmm you just gave me more ideas for world domination =P

I was thinking "trap gengar/zam/etc then Dark Pulse/BP"

Anti November 6th, 2007 8:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lumine (Post 3054339)
CB Umbreon? hmm you just gave me more ideas for world domination =P

I was thinking "trap gengar/zam/etc then Dark Pulse/BP"

They'd switch before you could trap them, into something like heracross. Besides, any CM variant of Zam could pretty much own umbreon, and hypnosis = win for gengar. though synchronize can be annoying...

Azonic November 6th, 2007 2:08 PM

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Trait: Synchronize
Nature: Bold
EVs: 252 HP / 172 Defense / 80 SDefense
- Wish
- Baton Pass
- Mean Look
- Substitute / Taunt / Confuse Ray / Swagger

Wish > Moonlight - it gives the next pokemon a half HP recovery. Its very useful with Pokes like walls -coughbastiodoncough- Also, if you run into Tyranitar / Hippowdon / Abomasnow, you're doomed for only a 25% heal with Moonlight. And the Weather Pokemon are really getting popular, so use Wish for safety.

Mean Look / Baton Pass for obvious reasons. TrapPassing.

Taunt stops the foe from using defensive moves which can really come in handy to take down other walling pokemon. Substitute can also be Baton Passed. Sub is helpful for both Sweepers and Walls. Swagger / Confuse Ray for ConfuseTrapping. It can really take down pokemon with high attack stats fast.

Anti November 6th, 2007 3:04 PM

Swagger is a road to umbreon's grave, especially if the confusion wears off quickly...


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