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luke November 6th, 2007 1:11 PM

Cut Throat
 
Houndoom@Choice Scarf
Nature: Modest
Trait: Flash Fire
EV Spread: 252 SPD / 252 SPATK / 6 HP

Flamethrower
Dark Pulse
Hidden Power [ Ice ]
Overheat

[ It's been an effective lead in the past and I doubt that'll change. Kills Weavile, Salamence, and Alakazam leads. ]

Slowbro@Leftovers
Nature: Bold
Trait: Own Tempo
EV Spread: 252 HP / 212 DEF / 28 SPATK / 18 SPDEF

Surf
Hidden Power [ Electric ]
Calm Mind
Slack Off

[ My favorite Pokemon. Ever. I'm unusually lucky with HP Breeding, so I've managed to obtain a 70 Power Electric Hidden Power. Calm Mind once or twice. Then sweep. Slack Off when damage is becoming a nuisance. ]

Mamoswine@Leftovers
Nature: Brave
Trait: Snow Cloak
EV Spread: 172 HP / 136 ATK / 120 SPATK / 80 SPDEF

Earthquake
Blizzard / Ice Beam
Stone Edge
Substitute

[ I like :horns: so I'm using it. Should I go with Ice Beam because I won't have Hail Support so accuracy could be an issue. ]

Forretress
@Leftovers
Nature: Relaxed
Trait: Sturdy
EV Spread: 252 HP / 180 DEF / 78 ATK

Gyro Ball
Earthquake / Explosion
Rapid Spin
Spikes / Toxic Spikes

[ It's Forretress. ]

Infernape@Life Orb
Nature: Naive
Trait: Blaze
EV Spread: 252 SPD / 172 SPATK / 86 ATK

Close Combat
Flamethrower
Grass Knot
Nasty Plot

[ Mixed Ape for the win. ]

Togekiss@Leftovers
Nature: Calm
Trait: Serene Grace
EV Spread: 252 HP / 200 SPATK / 56 SPDEF

Air Slash
Flamethrower
Thunder Wave
Roost

[ Self-Explanatory. ]

Spice Curry November 6th, 2007 1:27 PM

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[email protected] Scarf
Nature: Modest Wouldn't Timid be better?
Trait: Flash Fire
EV Spread: 252 SPD / 252 SPATK / 6 HP

Flamethrower
Dark Pulse
Hidden Power [ Ice ] / [ Fighting ]
Pursuit maybe?
Why d'you need two fire attacks?

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Nature: Jolly/Adamant...I believe
Trait: Snow Cloak
EV Spread: 172 HP / 136 ATK / 120 SPATK / 80 SPDEF

Earthquake
Ice Shard- preferred b/c of Mamoswine's speed, iirc
Stone Edge
Substitute
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Nature: Bold
Trait: Own Tempo
EV Spread: 252 HP / 252 DEF / 6 SPATK

Surf
Hidden Power [ Electric ] <-- nice
Calm Mind
Slack Off
=D Slowbro ftw!

Anti November 6th, 2007 1:28 PM

I think HP ice is for killing Mence leads ;)

luke November 6th, 2007 1:32 PM

I caught a Heatran with 68 Power Hidden Power Ice so I'm thinking of swapping it in for Houndoom.

El Gofre November 6th, 2007 1:38 PM

sorry i started reading and felt a need to whine; whyyyyy did they wreck houndoom with this crappy sprite? he used to be so rockin...
oh and nice team :)

luke November 6th, 2007 1:50 PM

Switched Infernape for Heracross.

Anti November 6th, 2007 1:52 PM

In that case, there's nothing like CBcross :) then there's scarfcross too...

luke November 6th, 2007 1:58 PM

I went with CBcross. I had one bred for that purpose and so far it's annoying my roommate.

Extric November 6th, 2007 2:26 PM

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Houndoom@Choice Scarf
Nature: Modest
Trait: Flash Fire
EV Spread: 252 SPD / 252 SPATK / 6 HP

Flamethrower
Dark Pulse
Hidden Power [ Ice ]
Overheat

[ It's been an effective lead in the past and I doubt that'll change. Kills Weavile, Salamence, and Alakazam leads. ]
Hmm... I'm not too sure about this set. It looks like a mix between a Choice Specs Houndoom and the Choice Scarf Houndoom, but more Specs since it contains almost every move except HP Fighting. Since you have HP Ice I would lean more towards the Choice Scarf set that looks more like this:

Houndoom @ Choice Scarf
Flash Fire / Modest Nature
EVs: 252 Sp. ATK / 176 SPD / 80 ATK
- Overheat / Fire Blast
- Dark Pulse
- HP Ice / HP Fighting
- Pursuit / Reversal

Pursuit covers Ghost and Psychic types, but Reversal can be a good move if Stealth Rock or Sandstorm are tearing Houndoom apart. I do believe that if Houndoom only has 10% HP left it can 2HKO Blissey and OHKO Tyranitar, which is good if you decide to use HP Ice over HP Fighting.


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Slowbro@Leftovers
Nature: Bold
Trait: Own Tempo
EV Spread: 252 HP / 212 DEF / 46 SPATK

Surf
Hidden Power [ Electric ]
Calm Mind
Slack Off

[ My favorite Pokemon. Ever. I'm unusually lucky with HP Breeding, so I've managed to obtain a 70 Power Electric Hidden Power. Calm Mind once or twice. Then sweep. Slack Off when damage is becoming a nuisance. ]
Looks like a standard CM Slowbro.

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Mamoswine@Leftovers
Nature: Brave
Trait: Snow Cloak
EV Spread: 172 HP / 136 ATK / 120 SPATK / 80 SPDEF

Earthquake
Blizzard / Ice Beam
Stone Edge
Substitute

[ I like :horns: so I'm using it. Should I go with Ice Beam because I won't have Hail Support so accuracy could be an issue. ]
You've got Mamoswine's EV's all over the place. You should really only focus on HP and Sp. ATK and if you wanted an ATK boosting nature you should have gone with Adamant. Mamoswine also does a lot better IMO as a Choice Bander and that set looks like this:

Mamoswine @ Choice Band
Snow Cloak / Jolly Nature
EVs: 252 ATK / 200 SPD / 56 HP
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Ice Shard / Ice Fang
- Peck / Ice Fang

I would go with Ice Shard over Ice Fang as it helps with his average speed, destroys Dragons, and helps with his Grass weakness. Though if you like more power go with Ice Fang, but that will only mean you will have a harder time taking on Dragon types as they will most likely be faster. The last slot is up to you. Peck will OHKO Heracross and is there for pretty much that reason so I would go with this move if you’re Heracross weak. Ice Fang can go there if you wanted to keep Ice Shard and wanted the more powerful Ice attack and will be more useful to you than Peck.


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Forretress@Leftovers
Nature: Relaxed
Trait: Sturdy
EV Spread: 252 HP / 180 DEF / 78 ATK

Gyro Ball
Earthquake / Explosion
Rapid Spin
Spikes / Toxic Spikes

[ It's Forretress. ]
I have just a couple changes for this set. I would drop the DEF EVs to 96 and raise the ATK EVs to 162. Keep Spikes and replace Earthquake with Explosion. Also, if you don't think Forretress can handle Magnezone I would replace Leftovers with Shed Shell

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Infernape@Life Orb
Nature: Naive
Trait: Blaze
EV Spread: 252 SPD / 172 SPATK / 86 ATK

Close Combat
Flamethrower
Grass Knot
Nasty Plot

[ Mixed Ape for the win. ]
Ahh... One of my favorite Pokemon, but you need more SP. ATK IMO. Raise the Sp. ATK to 232 EVs and lower ATK to 24. Other than that, this set looks fine.

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Togekiss@Leftovers
Nature: Calm
Trait: Serene Grace
EV Spread: 252 HP / 200 SPATK / 56 SPDEF

Air Slash
Flamethrower
Thunder Wave
Roost

[ Self-Explanatory. ]
Togekiss doesn't need that many EVs in Sp. ATK, in fact I usually don't add any at all. My Togekiss EV spread usually looks like this: 252 HP / 240 DEF / 16 Sp. DEF. You've also got two Pokemon covering fire attacks, so I would drop Flamethrower and go with Aura Sphere or Grass Knot.

Azonic November 6th, 2007 2:28 PM

I think Mamoswine should be Choice Scarfed. Ice Shard on Mamoswine? Ice Shard is a Special Move with very low power, resulting in very minimal damage.

Spice Curry November 6th, 2007 2:32 PM

Ice Shard is physical. Going first + STAB = kill on most dragons

Dunsparce November 6th, 2007 2:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Gofre (Post 3055079)
sorry i started reading and felt a need to whine; whyyyyy did they wreck houndoom with this crappy sprite? he used to be so rockin...
oh and nice team :)

WHY do you keep complaining about the D/P Sprites? Most of the time, you'll be seeing its back, anyways.

btw, nice Hidden Power on Slowbro.

The only good HP I've ever gotten was HP Bug 60 on Pinsir. But now that it's special, it's kind of redundant to use it >.>;

Azonic November 6th, 2007 2:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Spice Curry (Post 3055277)
Ice Shard is physical. Going first + STAB = kill on most dragons

*shrugs*

Still, Mamoswine Choice Scarfed is feared by many. It can do a lot more damage to a lot more pokemon.

luke November 6th, 2007 2:50 PM

Well, hello Lex aka Mr. RP Abandoner. Thanks for the suggestions. This team hasn't been the most successful so far, so changes are appreciated. (From testing on Shoddy before breeding which every good player should do.)

Aren't Pursuit and Reversal Physical? Should I go with Mild instead on Houndoom?

I'm sorry Iceman, but I don't think I'm suited to use :horns: at all. I'm gonna go with Lex's suggestions.

Switching Hera back for Infernape. I missed my Mixedape. =(

Btw, I want my Houndoom to be able to outrun Scarfcross. How much Speed does it usually carry?

Samson November 6th, 2007 7:29 PM

assuming all scarf heras have 252 spd adamant, houndoom has more than enough with 252 SPD to outrun it.

but still, i wouldn't use houndoom for scarf =/

maybe specs, but it's really not suited for scarf. you can use it for inflicting status + taunt (a set i use). it's very effective.

Nacon November 6th, 2007 7:43 PM

nice team... those HPs really seem to benefit them...

I personally would not expect an HP Ice coming from a Houndoom.

Extric November 7th, 2007 2:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Loquacity
Well, hello Lex aka Mr. RP Abandoner. Thanks for the suggestions. This team hasn't been the most successful so far, so changes are appreciated. (From testing on Shoddy before breeding which every good player should do.)

Aren't Pursuit and Reversal Physical? Should I go with Mild instead on Houndoom?

I'm sorry Iceman, but I don't think I'm suited to use :horns: at all. I'm gonna go with Lex's suggestions.

Switching Hera back for Infernape. I missed my Mixedape. =(

Btw, I want my Houndoom to be able to outrun Scarfcross. How much Speed does it usually carry?

I'm not a RP Abandoner, I just get caught up in other stuff that I can't find the time to do anything with them anymore. So I've just kept out of the RP sections until my life becomes less busy.

Yes, Pursuit and Reversal are physical which is why you add on the 80 ATK EVs. Plus Pursuit gets STAB and Houndoom has a base ATK of 90. Reversal's attack power is also based off of the amount of HP Houndoom has. But now that I think about the Choice Scarf set I beginning to notice that it seems to be his weaker sets. When I used him I ran with his special sweeping set:

Houndoom @ Life Orb
Flash Fire / Modest Nature
EVs: 252 Sp. ATK / 216 SPD / 40 HP
- Nasty Plot
- Fire Blast
- Dark Pulse
- HP Fighting

Nasty Plot gives Houndoom a power boost and after a single NP this set can do around 54-63% of damage to Blissey. But, if you want better accuracy you can replace Fire Blast with Flamethrower. Dark Pulse gets STAB and HP Fighting smacks Tyranitar around. If you can't get HP Fighting you can replace it with moves like Will-O-Wisp (Helps cripple physical attackers like Tyranitar), Substitute (A Salac Berry could be helpful with Substitute), and Taunt (Stops Blissey from sending those annoying status effects).

Toothache November 7th, 2007 2:17 PM

Mixed Houndoom should have Mild nature (it's not like that 50 base defence is gonna make it take hits now, is it?)


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