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Ret November 6th, 2007 11:50 PM

Enter Goukazaru! (RMT)
 
After much testing, raising and horrible horrible criticism, I have tried to settle on this team. Yes, they're different. heck look at Floatzel's Ev spread. So I'm looking for feed back/questions/comments/advice. So read away!

Infernape @ Life Orb
Blaze ~ Mild
Evs: Atk 127 Satk 127 Spd 250
Grass knot
Fire Blast
Flare Blitz
Close Combat

Ahh.. My mixed sweeper Infernape. He packs more power in his fists than most pokemon in the game. Runs circles around them while using moves that constantly hurt only himself and then activates blaze bonus. Yes I know he has limited usability. But when he is in the game, the rounds are over very quickly.


Floatzel @ Expert belt
Swift Swim ~ Bold
Evs: Atk50 Satk70 Def250 Sdef104 30Spd
Surf
Blizzard
Aqua jet
Crunch

Don't ask why the strange Ev set. I used him for the main game and out popped this great defensive floatzel who could handle everything very well and take some hits before dying. While not any substitute for a wall, he fills the job of "secondary" for anything VERY well.


Rhyperior @ Leftovers
Evs: Hp 127 Atk 127 Def 250
Solid Rock ~ Calm
Hammer Arm
Megahorn
Stone Edge
Earthquake

This guy is a defensive tank and benefits greatly from those often sandstorms. While hammer arm is on there, think about how he uses it. Rhyperior has abysmal spd for the metagame and so speed isn't an issue. So he basically gets an atk power 100 move without side effect. And since Rhyperiors atk is so high, even with calm nature he fits the roe of secondary attacker well.


Honchkrow @Razor Claw/Quick Claw
Super Luck ~ Quiet
Evs: Atk 200 Satk 200 Spd 100
Fly
Night Slash
Dark Pulse
Psychic

With two negations he's great on the switch in for earthquakes and psychics, as well can deal potentially great damage with his stab night slash's high critical hit ratio +super luck. And if you throw in a razor claw the damage is crazy.


Jolteon @ Focus Sash/Wise Glasses
Volt Absorb ~ Modest
Evs: 250 Satk 250 Spd 4 Atk
Roar
Charge Beam
Thunderbolt
Protect

Jolteon is one of my favorite poke's and even with his small move pool he can do great. Stab Thunderbolt hits hard and with his charge beam ability, he can raise that damage. Protect guards against some attacks but is looking to be replaced. Roar is great for shuffling pokemon and knocking out those with Electric weaknesses and catching the opponent off guard.


Linoone @ Quick Claw/Muscle Band
Substitute
Belly Drum
Return
Shadow Claw

Ahh… Linoone. Perhaps the most understated pokemon of the century. Linoone has a great move pool and is one of the pokemon that has not lost a thing with the generation shift. Sub+ belly racks up atk and then Stab return can pummel foes into oblivion. And shadow claw is there for those pesky ghosts.

Arsibiyez November 7th, 2007 2:09 AM

On Linoone:

Linoone @ Chesto Berry / Salac Berry
Trait: Gluttony
Bold Nature (252 HP, the rest goes to Def, SDef, and/or Spd)
- Belly Drum
- Return / Flail
- Shadow Claw
- Rest / Endure

It's the old Linoone set, except with Shadow Claw instead of Ball. This was great in UU. A novelty set would be similar to Flailgoose, except faster. Belly Drum on the first turn, and hope to survive an incoming attack. Endure the next turn, activate the Salac Berry, and begin (your attempt at) sweeping.

sims796 November 7th, 2007 2:34 AM

It seems you didn't get enough horrible, horrible critisism the first time. This...looks bad.

I haven't the time to fix it, so I'll state the basics. In list form.

Never use two moves of the same type on one poke (Inefernape, Floatzel, Jolteon). What are you accomplishing that way? Your Infernape is walled completely by Dragon types. Instead, Fire Blast could be replaced by Thunderpunch. Or even Stone Edge. I don't care if Charge Beam boost power. It's stopped cokd by any Ground type. BTW, Roar goes last, so you won't be able to shuffle it without getting hit.

Moves such as Fire Blast are frowned upon. Why? Piss poor accurracy. Blizzard falls here too. Especially with a Life Orb Infernape. You miss...thats your ass on a platter.

Also, Fly sucks. Two turns, for what, 75 base damage? Plus, while you in the air, I can either charge up, or switch to a suitable counter.

PAY ATTENTION TO THE STANDARD METAGAME. When I saw that Floatzel, I couldn't help but cry. I don't care if its "so defensive, it can take hits ingame". Anything can take a hit ingame. Online, Floatzel is far too fragile to go defensive. Also, Infernape with limited usability? He's one of the best Skarmbliss counters! Also, he's so versitile, he can play multiple roles (Phsical sweeper, Special Sweeper, Mixed Sweeper) just like Salamence. You must learn on Standard metagame. Speaking of Floatzel...

Pay sttention to the dominate stats.Why in the world does it have Surf? Its BASE ATK is 105! Waterfall would do SO much more damage.

Floatzel is one of the few pokes able to break rule one. It can use Waterfall for heavy damage, & Aqua Jet for quick KO's.


Learn up a bit more...

EDIT: Whoops, missed one.

Hax Items are BANNED!!! Hax in pokemon doesn't mean "Hacked", it means dumb, cheap luck. Basically, those are things like critical hits, Ice Beam freezing (10%), moves constantly missing, etc. There is enough of that going on in the game already. Hax items just add to that cheap luck, eliminating strategy. Plus, only YOU benifit from that luck.

Think of it. Weavile goes first. Always. But, by a flick of dumb luck, you go first. A tad bit cheap. Hax items include (But are not limited to) Quick Claw, Razor Claw, Kings Rock, etc.

Archer November 7th, 2007 3:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ret (Post 3056610)
After much testing, raising and horrible horrible criticism, I have tried to settle on this team. Yes, they're different. heck look at Floatzel's Ev spread. So I'm looking for feed back/questions/comments/advice. So read away!

Infernape @ Life Orb
Blaze ~ Mild
Evs: Atk 128 Satk 128 Spd 248
Grass knot
flamehrower
Thunderpunch
Close Combat

Ahh.. My mixed sweeper Infernape. He packs more power in his fists than most pokemon in the game. Runs circles around them while using moves that constantly hurt only himself and then activates blaze bonus. Yes I know he has limited usability. But when he is in the game, the rounds are over very quickly.


Floatzel @ Expert belt
Swift Swim ~ Bold Wtf? Adamant/Jolly
Evs: 252 Atk, 252 Spd, 4 HP
Waterfall
Ice fang

Aqua jet
Crunch

Don't ask why the strange Ev set. I used him for the main game and out popped this great defensive floatzel who could handle everything very well and take some hits before dying. While not any substitute for a wall, he fills the job of "secondary" for anything VERY well.


Rhyperior @ Leftovers
Evs: Hp 127 Atk 127 Def 250 Make evs multiples of 4
Solid Rock ~ Calm Um, No. Adamant/Impish/Careful(maybe)
Hammer Arm
Megahorn
Stone Edge
Earthquake

This guy is a defensive tank and benefits greatly from those often sandstorms. While hammer arm is on there, think about how he uses it. Rhyperior has abysmal spd for the metagame and so speed isn't an issue. So he basically gets an atk power 100 move without side effect. And since Rhyperiors atk is so high, even with calm nature he fits the roe of secondary attacker well.


Honchkrow @Razor Claw/Quick Claw
Super Luck ~ Quiet
Evs: Atk 200 Satk 200 Spd 100
Fly
Night Slash
Dark Pulse
Psychic

With two negations he's great on the switch in for earthquakes and psychics, as well can deal potentially great damage with his stab night slash's high critical hit ratio +super luck. And if you throw in a razor claw the damage is crazy.


Jolteon @ Focus Sash/Wise Glasses
Volt Absorb ~ Modest
Evs: 250 Satk 250 Spd 4 Atk
HP ice?
Shadow Ball
Thunderbolt
Sub

Jolteon is one of my favorite poke's and even with his small move pool he can do great. Stab Thunderbolt hits hard and with his charge beam ability, he can raise that damage. Protect guards against some attacks but is looking to be replaced. Roar is great for shuffling pokemon and knocking out those with Electric weaknesses and catching the opponent off guard.


Linoone @ Salac
Something to hit Steels - it really has nothing.
Belly Drum
Return
Shadow Claw

Ahh… Linoone. Perhaps the most understated pokemon of the century. Linoone has a great move pool and is one of the pokemon that has not lost a thing with the generation shift. Sub+ belly racks up atk and then Stab return can pummel foes into oblivion. And shadow claw is there for those pesky ghosts.

Yeah, Um, everything Sims said. Plan better. Dont use things from ingame for competetive battling. Evs must be a multiple of four or its a waste. Oh and sims fly is now 90 power, but yeah 2 turn moves suck.

Iceman3k November 7th, 2007 5:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ret (Post 3056610)
After much testing, raising and horrible horrible criticism, I have tried to settle on this team. Yes, they're different. heck look at Floatzel's Ev spread. So I'm looking for feed back/questions/comments/advice. So read away!

Infernape @ Expert Belt
Blaze ~ Hasty
Evs: 88 Atk / 252 Spd / 168 SAtk
Grass knot
Hidden Power (Ice)
Blaze Kick
Close Combat

Ahh.. My mixed sweeper Infernape. He packs more power in his fists than most pokemon in the game. Runs circles around them while using moves that constantly hurt only himself and then activates blaze bonus. Yes I know he has limited usability. But when he is in the game, the rounds are over very quickly.
I find the redundancy in Flare Blitz Recoil + Life Orb far too staggering and I don't know why people do it. Replace with Blaze Kick. And since you don't need 2 of the Same Typed Attacks, Fire Blast goes too :p

Floatzel @ Choice Band / Life Orb
Swift Swim ~ Jolly
Evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Waterfall
Ice Fang
Aqua jet
Crunch / Pursuit

Don't ask why the strange Ev set. I used him for the main game and out popped this great defensive floatzel who could handle everything very well and take some hits before dying. While not any substitute for a wall, he fills the job of "secondary" for anything VERY well.
Do NOT use anything that was used in-game for competitive play unless it has awesome IV and the proper nature.

Rhyperior @ Leftovers
Evs: 252 HP / 80 Atk / 176 Def
Solid Rock ~ Impish
Avalanche / Ice Fang / Stealth Rock
Megahorn
Stone Edge
Earthquake

This guy is a defensive tank and benefits greatly from those often sandstorms. While hammer arm is on there, think about how he uses it. Rhyperior has abysmal spd for the metagame and so speed isn't an issue. So he basically gets an atk power 100 move without side effect. And since Rhyperiors atk is so high, even with calm nature he fits the roe of secondary attacker well.
eh no it doesn't =/
Why would you use Calm and you have a better chance of lower SAtk, a Stat that it won't even use?



Honchkrow @ Razor Claw
Super Luck ~ Quiet
Evs: 252 HP / 80 Atk / 176 SAtk
Drill Peck
Night Slash
Hidden Power (Fighting)
Thunder Wave

With two negations he's great on the switch in for earthquakes and psychics, as well can deal potentially great damage with his stab night slash's high critical hit ratio +super luck. And if you throw in a razor claw the damage is crazy.
Don't know what to tell you here.

Jolteon @ Random Stat boosting berry
Volt Absorb ~ Timid
Evs: 4 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Hidden Power (Ice)
Substitute
Thunderbolt
Shadow Ball / Baton Pass

Jolteon is one of my favorite poke's and even with his small move pool he can do great. Stab Thunderbolt hits hard and with his charge beam ability, he can raise that damage. Protect guards against some attacks but is looking to be replaced. Roar is great for shuffling pokemon and knocking out those with Electric weaknesses and catching the opponent off guard.
No at 2 Same type attacks AGAIN.

Linoone @ Salac Berry
Iron Tail
Belly Drum
Return
Shadow Claw

Ahh… Linoone. Perhaps the most understated pokemon of the century. Linoone has a great move pool and is one of the pokemon that has not lost a thing with the generation shift. Sub+ belly racks up atk and then Stab return can pummel foes into oblivion. And shadow claw is there for those pesky ghosts.

You don't need Substitute anymore thanks to its Gluttony ability. But you will need Iron Tail to combat Rock Types. Nubish choice yes, but let's see you come up with something better.

You apparently haven't been scolded enough about team building either, have you?

Spice Curry November 7th, 2007 11:47 AM

Copied and pasted from the same moveset of his I posted on another thread:

Floatzel @ Life Orb
-Waterfall/Aqua Jet
-Crunch/Brick Break
-Ice Fang
-Bulk Up

Anti November 7th, 2007 12:37 PM

On rhyinferior:

Rhyperior @ Choice Band
Trait: Solid Rock
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Megahorn
- Stone Edge
- FOCUS PUNCH / Avalanche

CB = win.

EDIT: Calm detroys rhyperior, REALLY bad.

Azonic November 7th, 2007 1:56 PM

rofl, this team needs A LOT of fixing.

Infernape@Life Orb
Trait: Blaze
Nature: Naive
EVs: 252 Speed / 228 Attack / 28 SAttack
- Overheat / Flare Blitz / Flamethrower
- Swords Dance / Earthquake
- Close Combat
- Thunderpunch

~ Life Orb can whittle down Infernape and might activate its Blaze Ability.
~ This Infernape is mostly a physical attacker - but some consider it mixed.

Floatzel@Life Orb
Trait: Swift Swim
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 252 Attack / 252 Speed / 4 HP
- Waterfall
- Brick Break
- Ice Fang
- Crunch / Pursuit

~ There should be no more than one element of moves on a moveset. So Surf and Waterfall are never on the same set.
~ Floatzel's strong point is the physical sweeping. So there is no need in Special Attack EVs, Defense Evs, Special Defense EVs, or Special attacks.
~ Bold utterly destroys Floatzel. It won't take a hit even with a defense benefit. And the attack stat hinder is a no.

Rhyperior@Leftovers
Trait: Solid Rock
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 Hp / 172 Attack / 80 Defense
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake
- Megahorn
- Avalanche / Substitute / Rock Polish

~ Rock Polish is extremely dangerous when attached to a Tank.
~ The other attacks are on the moveset for obvious reasons.

- Overall its a horrible team. Where all your walls? Clerics? Spikespinners? Baton Passers? And where is your Special Sweeper?
- ALL of your pokemon are Electivire weak.

Anti November 7th, 2007 2:12 PM

Rhyperior lols at vire :/ It can takr an ice punch or two...

I REALLY don't recommend rock polish on something nearly as slow as STEELIX, but go ahead...


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