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I'm with Gofre(as usual xD) on Kyogre and Groundon. There are only few pokémon that learn secies specific moves.
And cudos to Eirikr for compiling a good concrete post. Although a bit of feedback: • I agree with Mew, it's just I believe that he's INCREDIBLY powerfull! • We say alot about Arceus, but like you say, ALOT if not ALL of it is myth or personal theories. Pokédex entries thoguh.. I know I take most, if not all of it in, as being factual. As the 'Dex is a scientific invention, and science is based on facts, it's only wise (in my eyes) to take it as mostly factual. • Lugia, Lugia, Lugia.. You only have to look at it's in-game stat.'s to know it's special. I personally wrekon that Lugia is almost God-like, just not as powerfull as the likes of Arceus! I've never REALLY considered Lugia as Lord of the Sea, but somwhat even more special. If you take it's species specific move, Aeroblast; it wouldn't be used in the sea that's for sure, so does this mean a donination of the sky in some way? I know that Aeroblast is the only concrete eveidence, and some of you might not see it as plausable, but it's worth a think. • Ho-Oh is my favourite pokémon for that specific reason; it's the most mythilogiacal pokémon out there! I always like to think that he's outrageously powerfull, even without justification. Also he was the first legendary ever to appear in the Anime, but took a while to hit out game boy's. • Giratina is competing for Ho-Oh's spot! Maybe for future games to come, 'eh? That's all for now! Regards, Zungie. PS. Since when have I acted as I've owned this thread? I've just took a great interest in it, and if you're refering to something I said earlier, it was a gag between me and Gofre.. |
Yeah wen we say we own the thread, its uz we've posted more on it than most other people (Me in particular lol)
I get confuddled when it comes to giratina, it says its the renegade poke but theres no info on why it is :O sudden revelation. Its the god/devil situation; Arceus has always been god, but giratina, and extremely powerful poke wanted a special duty like the ither legends, or wasnt happy with his own. He then went off like lucifer (Hence the renegade) and tried to overthrow arceus. Arceus the beat his ass and sent him off to his paralell world to live alone. Just a quick thought, gimme feedback people By gofre, the metaphorical owner of this thread. :D |
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Once again i agree with Eirikr, its like he replies to ppl what i want to tell them but just dont know how, not saying ur just thinking up what im thinking its just that i find everything you say very factual and true. I cant really contribute anymore cuz u keep saying everything i wanna say but better :(
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Sounds highly plausable. Disregarding what Eirikr said (sorry >.<), with Arceus being "God", obviously you'd get some jealous/envious pokémon as you do with humans. Maybe this is Giratina trying to get back into the living world? I hope Game Freak base alot of the next game on him, he's uber cool! Quote:
:l Only post if you have something to add, as I don't want anyone banned etc. Also thanks for replying Eirikr! :D |
That wasnt flaming, i was agreeing with him....
The pokedex can state myths that arent fact even if it is a scientific product... If myths are all they know then they have to put it in. Better than leaving it blank... |
Ok i checked serbii this rasie more questons In the pokedex in pearl
it was born before the universe was Arceus Diamond It is described in mythology as the Pokémon that shaped the universe with its 1,000 arms. Pearl It is told in mythology that this Pokémon was born before the universe even existed. Kyroge Its the creator of the sea Ruby KYOGRE has the power to create massive rain clouds that cover the entire sky and bring about torrential downpours. This POKéMON saved people who were suffering from droughts. Sapphire KYOGRE is named in mythology as the POKéMON that expanded the sea by covering the land with torrential rains and towering tidal waves. It took to sleep after a cataclysmic battle with GROUDON. Emerald KYOGRE has appeared in mythology as the creator of the sea. After long years of feuding with GROUDON, it took to sleep at the bottom of the sea. Fire Red This POKéMON is said to have expanded the sea by bringing heavy rains. It has the power to control water . Leaf Green This POKéMON is said to have expanded the sea by bringing heavy rains. It has the power to control water. Phione is it a legend im not sure it breeds from manphy |
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I think the PokeDex only adds bits and pieces to our understanding. What if you combined all parts? If you do, it all makes sense if you do.
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The arm thing with Arceus is, I believe, the fact that the universe is his arms, which explains why there's just sockets where his arms should be.
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Conclusion; All legends come from somewhere, the pokedex isnt necersarily right. The legends are more fun anway :) |
but also whats the deal with regigigas? is it like a fusion or something like that?
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Lucario072, Regigigas is a fusion of the three other Regi's. In order to get it you must have the three other regi's (Rock, Ice & Steel) in your team
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Mew: The Ancestor of all pokemon I believe created arceus through psychic abilities most likely
Arceus: Created Palkia and Dialga who formed the Sinnoh, now with a new region I believe Palkia and Dialga were kinda lonely so mew assisted them and created the fossil pokes such as omanyte,kabuto,aerodactyl,cranidos,lileep, etc. which eventually made their desendants we catch today. Palkia/Dialga: SImply created the Area of Life. Garatina mistakingly traveled through the parallel universe into this new one. Mewtwo created by science to be the ULTIMATE fighting machine based on the original pokemon mew. Groudon and Kyogre were godly pokes created by mew to expand upon what Palkia and Dialga had created Kyogre started in sinnoh and made it rain creating the waters Groudon started in sinnoh with his eruption move and started making new isles and apparently he can fly/is larger than life and could easily walk over/fly over the large oceans created by Kyogre and thus they had a war for dominance where they eventually fell into a slumber after creating 3 region through their war(Hoenn,Johto,Kanto) Mew who is obviously the father of all saw that there was no order and appointed Lugia guardian of the seas and made articuno,zapdos,and moltres to help keep him under control, He made Celebi to keep balance in nature, Ho-Oh was created due to the deaths of Entei,Suicune and Raikou who were created imo to help keep the new world peaceful and make sure there was no pollutants and to also expand upon what Kyogre/Groudon ahd already done. Azelf, Uxie and Mesprit were protectors as well just of the Sinnoh region. Heatran I cant explain except being a strong force that turned into a mountain expanding upon the sinnoh region. Rotom was created later and was simply a result of electricity of the later pokes. Being as I have confused myself I will make a simple diagram Mew>Arceus>Palkia/Dialga>Groudon/Kyogre>Ancient Pokes>Sinnoh Legendaries>Other Hoeen legendaries>Johto Legendaries>Kanto Legendaris>Humans/kanto pokes>Mewtwo>Johto pokes>Hoenn pokes>Sinnoh pokes Its quite confusing |
Lucario/Kero; Regigigas isnt a fusion of the 3. It is thought he created the regis to embody their respective elements.
Sythe; Mostly right, however arceus created mew and not vice-versa. Arceus came out the egg in the chaos and then created the D/P, who shaped the universe. Then came Kyogre/Groudon to shape the earth and so on. Mew was placed on the fully formed planet to populate it, hence the term ancestor. |
Think here. Could they all be prehistoric species (more prehistoric than areodactyl and kabutops and all those) and are the last of their kind? That would explain the fact that they are just pokemon. Remember, they are stories past down, probably not actual facts.
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This is similar to a theory I posted a few weeks back. I reasoned that while the legends with specific roles are 1 of a kind (Hence their immortality), Mew was the first speceis (I.e ancestor poke). The whole planet was crawling with them, some lived in the sea (And evolved into water types), others lived in the desert and evolved into grnd and so on. After a while natural selection kicked in and the mews were wiped out, apart from the one who found the island in the sevii chain and lived there alone, not needing to evolve.
It makes sense, mew in genetically matched to every other poke, they should all derive from him. |
If dialga/palkia are so powerful to create other pokes, why cant u use that great power when u catch them? Why cant u travel through time or teleport? Why cant you make huge waves with kyogres or create landmasses to cross the sea with groundoun with the power they supposedly have?
I believe they are strong pokemon people believe created the world, but since they cant prove it since they werent there, theres no way of actually knowing. Anyway, legendaries are rare powerfull pokemon,but i dont believe they created the universe... |
good point. But how do you describe the other pokemon that are supposed to be more ancient? Such as Arceus?
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Arceus is the pokemon god, he appeared out of nothing just like the christian god.
[QUOTE=Diageo;3159925]If dialga/palkia are so powerful to create other pokes, why cant u use that great power when u catch them? Why cant u travel through time or teleport? Why cant you make huge waves with kyogres or create landmasses to cross the sea with groundoun with the power they supposedly have? QUOTE] Would this seriously be realistic in the game? how would you plan on incorporating time travel into, compared to other releases, a low tech game. If you want a pokemon answer perhaps the 3 elves stripped them of their power |
Yea with arceaus and mew thats probably vis versa but I dont 100% agree with mews changing into other pokes although They knew transform in R/B/Y right so maybe they were like ditto and transformed and then breed while transformed to make the other pokes and maybe Ditto is an Imperfect form of its counterpart mew they are both pink and can use transform.
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