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Eos Aduro November 8th, 2007 1:25 PM

No Kyogre CREATED the sea, and Lugia was like OMG I like the sea and protected the sea, and Manaphy was all like I like the sea, soIm its prince, but who's the king of the sea? And Giratina lives in a random maze surrounded by flowers, I think he's kind of a twisted dood.

El Gofre November 8th, 2007 2:03 PM

I personally like the idea of arceus, I'd rather he be a more humanoid poke but i like everythin else about him.

Shiny Umbreon November 8th, 2007 5:46 PM

And how do you find Giratina anyway? Maybe you travel to another universe when you go through the Spring Path.

And I wanted to say that whoever said it is right, too. Manaphy is the prince, Lugia the guardian and Kyogre the creator but which one is right? What's the definition of "prince" in this context anyway?

Eos Aduro November 8th, 2007 5:48 PM

Prince is the heir to the throne, so Manaphy would need to have a father, which only leads to it being Lugia

Shiny Umbreon November 8th, 2007 5:49 PM

That's if there's only one Lugia.

Eos Aduro November 8th, 2007 5:50 PM

Meh, it can fly, it probably gets around. But there was a Dark Lugia if I remember correctly, but I never played that game

Nacon November 8th, 2007 5:54 PM

Dark Lugia definitely conflicts with that theory...

I think each region has its own set of distinct legends, sorta like our world.... the Greeks believed in Zeus, the Norse believed in Odin.... The Mayans Kukulkan... the Aztecs Quetzcoatl..... the Christians\Islams\Hebrews God\Yahweh\Allah ....so on...

regional legends=regional figures.

Eos Aduro November 8th, 2007 5:56 PM

Whats the story behind Dark Lugia anyways?

Nacon November 8th, 2007 5:58 PM

I'm pretty sure that it's not as simple as it's THE Lugia gone awry.

I think someone else can explain that a lot better and more in depth than I can.

Shiny Umbreon November 8th, 2007 6:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Nacon (Post 3061260)
Dark Lugia definitely conflicts with that theory...

I think each region has its own set of distinct legends, sorta like our world.... the Greeks believed in Zeus, the Norse believed in Odin.... The Mayans Kukulkan... the Aztecs Quetzcoatl..... the Christians\Islams\Hebrews God\Yahweh\Allah ....so on...

regional legends=regional figures.

That would have as a conclusioin that we believe is false. But, as I said, we've seen a lot to believe. Rain and then sun in less than a minute? Then rain again, then sun.

I don't know about the Dark Lugia as I haven't completed XD but I believe it was something like an artificial Pokémon.

Eos Aduro November 8th, 2007 6:01 PM

Hmmmm, well maybe some legendaries are actually god-like, and others are just the last of there species, like the regis and the elemental birds.

EmpoleMew November 8th, 2007 6:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Midnight Winged (Post 3060200)
No Kyogre CREATED the sea, and Lugia was like OMG I like the sea and protected the sea, and Manaphy was all like I like the sea, soIm its prince, but who's the king of the sea? And Giratina lives in a random maze surrounded by flowers, I think he's kind of a twisted dood.

That bit on Giratina makes it sound like GameFreak wanted it to be a sort of emo Pokemon.

I actually came up with a theory about this over the summer, but I'll post it tomorrow. I do however think that there is a relation between Kyogre, Lugia, and Manaphy, mostly because I love Water types. (Although Lugia isn't Water) I think that after Kyogre went to sleep after its battle with Groudon, Lugia came to watch over the sea until Kyogre was awakened. The it gave Manaphy the title of prince in case both of them were incapable of action. If that were to happen, Manaphy would govern the sea and Phione would be next in line.

Nacon November 8th, 2007 6:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Midnight Winged (Post 3061287)
Hmmmm, well maybe some legendaries are actually god-like, and others are just the last of there species, like the regis and the elemental birds.

I can totally see that... like how Dratinis were once thought to be legendary.... check the dexes on that, you'll see what I mean......

that also makes me really wonder about the starter pokemon... we only see 'em as starters or against in game trainers throughout the gameplay... and it's mentioned that they live in certain parts of the world.... how come we never see 'em in the wild?

Eos Aduro November 8th, 2007 6:09 PM

One more thing, in the first season, this is a pretty memorable episode, a researcher at a lighthouse is signalling to the ONLY Dragonite in the world, but its well known that its NOT the only, so some legendaries could just be very very rare. Maybe theres a whole WORLD of Giratinas, just one happened to end up here.

Nacon November 8th, 2007 6:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Midnight Winged (Post 3061318)
One more thing, in the first season, this is a pretty memorable episode, a researcher at a lighthouse is signalling to the ONLY Dragonite in the world, but its well known that its NOT the only, so some legendaries could just be very very rare. Maybe theres a whole WORLD of Giratinas, just one happened to end up here.

yea... from an alternate dimension... an anomalitical occurence... you never know... what's revered as a God in one place could just be another simpleton in another.

Shiny Umbreon November 8th, 2007 6:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Nacon (Post 3061310)
I can totally see that... like how Dratinis were once thought to be legendary.... check the dexes on that, you'll see what I mean......

that also makes me really wonder about the starter pokemon... we only see 'em as starters or against in game trainers throughout the gameplay... and it's mentioned that they live in certain parts of the world.... how come we never see 'em in the wild?

Were Dratini thought to be legendary? Then than makes me doubt a lot. Really, some have no unusual powers.

Starters, if they were rare, they wouldn't be given to starting trainers. It's just that they aren't in your region. But it's most likely just a mechanic from the game rather than a real fact.

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Originally Posted by Nacon (Post 3061341)
you never know... what's revered as a God in one place could just be another simpleton in another.

That made me laugh a lot. Anyway, I believe that's true. Deoxys is more powerful than most "world creators" from Earth, and who knows if it's just a weak Pokémon in space?

Nacon November 8th, 2007 6:27 PM

yo... Shiny Umbreon... makes me wonder...... it's like the whole Superman complex... the yellow Sun gave the son of Krypton his powers.... probably like how a common-cold-equivalent found its way to Earth and become Deoxys... lol...


oh about the Dratini thing:
http://www.psypokes.com/dex/psydex/147
check out the list of its dex from all the poke-games.

Lunux November 8th, 2007 6:29 PM

Kyogre created the sea, Lugia rules the sea, and Manaphy is just there being the prince maybe a long ancestorial connection to mew. which in turn links mewtwo into it because of the cloning stuff making it also related to all pokemon. Therefore, Mewtwo, mew, kyogre, lugia, and manaphy all have relation to being ruler of the sea. Of course that would not be possible if Palkia wasn't there to create space.

Articuno, Moltres and Zapdos are said to be The three things that guard or whatever from lugia. Why, and how when lugia lives in the sea. Were they meaning to protect from an evil force?

Nacon November 8th, 2007 6:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Lunux (Post 3061399)
Kyogre created the sea, Lugia rules the sea, and Manaphy is just there being the prince maybe a long ancestorial connection to mew. which in turn links mewtwo into it because of the cloning stuff making it also related to all pokemon. Therefore, Mewtwo, mew, kyogre, lugia, and manaphy all have relation to being ruler of the sea. Of course that would not be possible if Palkia wasn't there to create space.

Articuno, Moltres and Zapdos are said to be The three things that guard or whatever from lugia. Why, and how when lugia lives in the sea. Were they meaning to protect from an evil force?

you totally lost me with your linking theory... mind going more in depth?

Eos Aduro November 8th, 2007 6:32 PM

I dont gettit. Anyways, how are the birds related at ALL to Lugia? Does groudon have a connection to Ho-Oh?

Nacon November 8th, 2007 6:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Midnight Winged (Post 3061412)
I dont gettit. Anyways, how are the birds related at ALL to Lugia? Does groudon have a connection to Ho-Oh?

that's what I want to know..... I don't get how the bird trio is tied into that.... I mean.... there is no mention of it, and the birds are rare, but other trainers do use 'em...

Shiny Umbreon November 8th, 2007 6:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Nacon (Post 3061394)
oh about the Dratini thing:
http://www.psypokes.com/dex/psydex/147
check out the list of its dex from all the poke-games.

It said "mythical", not "legendary", but it's almost the same. Legendaries are not seen everyday either.
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Originally Posted by Lunux (Post 3061399)
Kyogre created the sea, Lugia rules the sea, and Manaphy is just there being the prince maybe a long ancestorial connection to mew. which in turn links mewtwo into it because of the cloning stuff making it also related to all pokemon. Therefore, Mewtwo, mew, kyogre, lugia, and manaphy all have relation to being ruler of the sea. Of course that would not be possible if Palkia wasn't there to create space.

Articuno, Moltres and Zapdos are said to be The three things that guard or whatever from lugia. Why, and how when lugia lives in the sea. Were they meaning to protect from an evil force?

It seems everything is now related to the sea, lol.

Eos Aduro November 8th, 2007 6:37 PM

Hmmm, let me connect the dots here. Who was created to keep Kyogre and Groudon in check? Rayquaza. Who was created to keep Palkia and Dialga in check? The Three Musketeers (MEsprti, Azlef, Uxie). So in legendaries, it almost looks like there are social classes.

Shiny Umbreon November 8th, 2007 6:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Midnight Winged (Post 3061427)
Hmmm, let me connect the dots here. Who was created to keep Kyogre and Groudon in check? Rayquaza. Who was created to keep Palkia and Dialga in check? The Three Musketeers (MEsprti, Azlef, Uxie). So in legendaries, it almost looks like there are social classes.

Except that Rayquaza is stronger than Kyogre and Groudon, supposedly. But the pixies are just more in number rather than stronger.

Eos Aduro November 8th, 2007 6:42 PM

So its almost like a social class, the highest legendaries are Mew and Arceus, Mewtwo was created and Mew took it out, keeping it in check, Rayquaza and the pixies are almost like order keppers, but Mew was dragged out for Mewtwo, in one of the movies, Rayquaza attacks Deoxys because it disrupts the earth, and Celebi helps out the planet, Jirachi is just a cool Poke, the birds and the regis are just rare species, but Regiggigas was made to keep the Regis in check, which is why they are needed to call him, Giratina is just a lost creature, and Darkrai and Cresselia are opposites that fight for power, but dont need supervision.


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