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Harper November 7th, 2007 11:21 PM

Scyzor in competetive batling???
 
Hey guys.
I was wondering, since i'm probably going to buy the DS and D or P i was wondering about your thoughts on a Scyzor in competetive batling?

With attacks like:

Slash/Metal Claw (or whatever is best among the D/P attacks, since i dont know them yet)
Sword Dance
Metal Defence (or is it Iron Defence...?) or Double Team for the third one
and any old attack that i think is the good stuff.

I was thinking it could max out it's agility or defence until it was invulnerable then do the same thing for the attack, and start picking off the other guy's pokemon. It works a charm on the elite 4 etc in my leaf green but then again competetive batleing isnt exactly lile playing against the game...

Does anyone see this moveset as unrealistic. particularly because it might not last until it can max out it's atak and def/agility?

PS and if you think i am albert ienstien and why didn't you think of that? just always think of me when your powning everyone else's lvl 100s with an invincible scyzor :)

Supergibb November 7th, 2007 11:40 PM

Heres a good Scizor:
Adament
252-attack, 126-speed, 126-defense, 6-HP
Swords Dance
Agility
Quick Attack
X-Scissor

This is a good set for a scizor

Harper November 7th, 2007 11:45 PM

isnt Agility a speed raising thing? what's the good of getting the first move in if you get wiped out? wouldnt double team be beter so you dnt get hit at all?
And what is this X scissor you speak of? is it a crazy powerful atak?

TP-BigWill November 7th, 2007 11:45 PM

Scizor has one heck of a weakness tto fire and it's speed is the only thing that detracts from it.

Scizor can be a sweeper if you train it right though.....

252 evs in atk and the rest in def and sp.def.
go jolly for a speed boost since no scizor should have sp.atks.

here is the recomended moveset by me....

[email protected] bell(restores 1/8th of what you inflict)
Night Slash(Psy pokes)
Brick Break
Agility/Swords Dance(your preference)
X-Sciscors(stab bug move with surprising damage)

Really, this pokemon can only be walled by Moltres or Charizard.

Harper November 7th, 2007 11:48 PM

hmm ok i understand that. but why brick break? isnt that some crappy move for stoping light screen? i thought it didnt do any damage...

Supergibb November 7th, 2007 11:51 PM

Wow, you really need to brush up on your pokemon buddy. Speed is one of the most important thimgs there is to a battle, and Brick Break is good as it wipes out Rock, Steel and Normal. It's always good to have stat raising moves.

Harper November 7th, 2007 11:53 PM

yeh i'm a bit behind on the times :) still just figuring out there is such a thing as batling other ppl. brunt force has always worked up until now, i've only just started using stat moves a wile ago, and there is limited usage in the game.

Supergibb November 8th, 2007 12:14 AM

Lol, not in competetive battling brute force won't work. You need an extremely good strat to win, with a sweeper, a wall, and a speed demon.

Harper November 8th, 2007 12:18 AM

are bugs actualy any good? i no they have a good shot against grass, but do ppl use em?

Supergibb November 8th, 2007 12:21 AM

Yanmega is an absolute champion, heracross is a great sweeper, Scizor is an overall good pokemon, Forretress is a fantastic wall, ans there are many other bugs that are real good.

Harper November 8th, 2007 12:37 AM

Yanmega?? is that like Yanma? but evolved? wow i didnt see that coming...

Supergibb November 8th, 2007 12:41 AM

Lol, he is one of the best pokemon. Ask lots of people and they'll tell you why.

Harper November 8th, 2007 12:56 AM

Ok how bout another question while i'm sitting here doing nothing. is a wall a pokemon that can sit there and take heeps of damage? would scyzor be a wall if he wasnt hit at all? or a pkmn with wonder guard?

ItzMike November 8th, 2007 1:40 AM

...Double team and moves that raise evasion are abnned in Online play (against other people)

My Scizor is:

31 Iv's in Attk.Def.Speed.Sp.Def (still not that fast though with speed)

[email protected] berry that cures burns i forget
X-Scissor STAb Boost
Swords Dance (2 in and i can wipe a pure fire out with x-Scissor
Iron Head (Flinches alot)
Night Slash (Useful if someone pulls out a will-o-wispin ghost type)

256 Ev's in Attack and Defense
Not really fast
a flamethrower could probably kill me

P.s I have a Foretress with 31 Iv's in Def and Sp.def (All that time spent breeding Aggghghh
Item:
Spikes
Rapid Spin
Selfdestruct ( a little present for when im almost dead)
Fourth move undecided (Probably Substitute if it can be learned

256 Ev's in Def and Sp.Def

Harper November 8th, 2007 10:18 PM

Why would double team be banned?
Meh it's probably cos of sore loosers who cant face scyzor's all mighty evasiveness!
God foretress is the most evil thing in th world! cant stand it. how r u suposed to kill a big inpenetrable rock?!?

Angelic Diablo November 8th, 2007 10:44 PM

Flamethrower = Dead Forretress...

Scyther > Scizor, although with Stealth Rock around, Scyther drops out rather quickly

Double Team is banned because your either forced to use low power always accurate moves (Aerial Ace, Shockwave etc) or rely on luck to even hit the opponent

Without clauses, Yanmega would run around with Hypnosis and Double Team and be the worst pokemon to go up against

ThePlaya November 8th, 2007 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Angelic Diablo (Post 3061991)
Flamethrower = Dead Forretress...

Scyther > Scizor, although with Stealth Rock around, Scyther drops out rather quickly

Double Team is banned because your either forced to use low power always accurate moves (Aerial Ace, Shockwave etc) or rely on luck to even hit the opponent

Without clauses, Yanmega would run around with Hypnosis and Double Team and be the worst pokemon to go up against

haha lol...yeah
and then it getting its speed boost.

and banning evasiveness moves dosn't mean that were sore loosers.Its just that when you double team(or any other move like that)it will be mainly luck if you hit or if you miss.And who wants to win/lose by luck??
So that is why they are banned.

Harper November 8th, 2007 11:12 PM

Owww oh well i guess i'll have to live with it :(

ThePlaya November 8th, 2007 11:18 PM

yes....once you get into competitive battling(wifi battling)then youll understand why we have the rules that we have.

ItzMike November 9th, 2007 1:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThePlaya (Post 3062042)
yes....once you get into competitive battling(wifi battling)then youll understand why we have the rules that we have.

im guessing you hate my evil forretress of destruction :D

don't worry i dont use it (Much)

more of a trophy

Faceless* November 9th, 2007 4:44 AM

No no, don't lose your hopes on Scizor, it's excellent with Heatran/Ninetails/Flareon backup, it's actually very hard for the opponent to take it down without a Fire attacker :) Just give it Agility, Iron Head, X-Scissor, U-Turn, Brick Break and it becomes a pretty nasty threat to your opponent. Make sure you have at least 150+ Speed EV's on him

Shiny Umbreon November 9th, 2007 1:14 PM

This goes in Strategies & Movesets.

-MOVED-

Dunsparce November 9th, 2007 1:23 PM

Novelty
[email protected] Band/Choice Scarg
Adamant/Jolly
X-Scissor
Iron Head
Night Slash/Pursuit
Aerial Ace/Brick Break/Quick Attack/U-Turn

With BPer to pass Speed and/or Attack Boosts, CB Scizor will be Rockin'

El Gofre November 9th, 2007 2:20 PM

My god, someone needs to brush up on their grammar

Faceless* November 9th, 2007 2:30 PM

Gofre, cease your spamming, you had no point in saying that


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