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Ársa November 9th, 2007 6:04 PM

My First "Rate Team" Thread...
 
[email protected] Glasses/Focus Sash/Expert Belt - (Which one?)
Modest Nature
Speed Boost
252 Sp Atk, 252 Speed, 6 HP

Air Slash
Protect
HP Ice (70)
Bug Buzz

I love this guy. He is the fastest on my team, has a great sweeping capacity, and isn't as easy to kill as one would think. (Survived Thunderbolt from Modest Starmie!!! [Freak of nature thing happening here])

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[email protected] Belt
Adamant
Motor Drive
178 Atk, 252 Speed, 80 Sp. Atk

Cross Chop
Thunderbolt
Ice Punch
Earthquake

Common Electivire with Thunderbolt over Thunderpunch for the Skarmory counter.
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[email protected]
Impish Nature
228 Hp, 2284Def, 56 Attack

Power Whip
Sleep Powder
Knock Off
Leech Seed

This is why Tangrowth is better than Celebi. Great move set with the right EV/IV set up. Knock Off is great to show what Salamence is up to, and can disable many item-based strategies. Is a very good Blissey killer, with Leech Seed/Sleep Powder. Physical Wall Capabilities will be shown. [email protected] 350 Atk + DD + Ice Fang = <3HKO when leftovers is factored, while Power Whip can deal up to 40%, add to that Leech Seed, and perhaps even 4HKO resistance with possibility of Gyara KO.

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[email protected] Lens (Only for Hypnosis, really need opinion on this)
Bold Nature
Mavel Scale
142 HP, 158 Def, 104 Sp Atk, 106 Sp Def


Hypnosis
Ice Beam
Recover
Surf/Hydro Pump (Samson gave advice on use due to Wide Lens, need second opinion.)

Along with Yanmega and Electivire steered me to 100 straight Battle Tower wins. Extremely helpful with Hypnosis, and also great against Garchomp, T-tar, Salamence (Non-Special Variety), Dragonite and others.

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[email protected]
Bold Nature
252 Def, 252 Hp, 6 Sp. Atk

Aromatherapy
Seismic Toss
Ice Beam/Thunderwave
Softboiled

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[email protected] Orb
Jolly
Arena Trap
252 Atk, 252 Speed, 6 Def

Stone Edge
Sucker Punch
Earthquake
Aerial Ace

Great electivire counter, and has also been known to KO many an aerodactyl and weavile. (Yes, it outsped a Weavile. Only 5 Base Speed lower, with max EV's Speed and 31 IV's in Speed, unless the opponent is running Jolly or has 31 IV's Speed + Max EV's Speed, then I should be able to outspeed.)



Regards,

~M51

Faceless* November 9th, 2007 6:05 PM

You posted 9 Pokemon ._. You shouldn't use Yanmega as a lead, it should be for Late-game sweeping

Anti November 9th, 2007 6:05 PM

My god is that hard to read...I turned back right before I was gonna edit through it...post in the fornmat in teh rules, plz. that way it's...well...readable :)

Ársa November 9th, 2007 6:07 PM

sorry...lol :)
goes to change...

~M51

is that any better?

~M51

Iceman3k November 9th, 2007 6:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mullac51 (Post 3064375)
[email protected] Glasses/Focus Sash/Expert Belt - (Which one?)
Modest Nature
Speed Boost
80 HP / 176 Spd / 248 SAtk

Air Slash
Protect
HP Ice (70)
Bug Buzz

I love this guy. He is the fastest on my team, has a great sweeping capacity, and isn't as easy to kill as one would think. (Survived Thunderbolt from Modest Starmie!!!)
Must've been a miracle knowing that Yanmega has like 60 Base SDef o.O
Run some HP on it. Not much to say on the item instead of Leftovers or Life Orb.


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[email protected] Belt (Obvious really...)
Adamant
Motor Drive
232 Atk / 176 Spd / 100 SAtk

Cross Chop
Thunderbolt
Ice Punch
Earthquake

Went with Thunderpunch over thunderbolt, even though this make skarmory a problem. I decided the physical STAB would help me more in the long run, and skarmory isn't a problem for me. :)
It will be if that dies. Besides, you'd want Thunderbolt for Intimidating Gyarados that will lower your attack :x

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[email protected]
Impish
???
252 HP, 40 Atk, 218 Def -(40 Atk = 2HKO against Garchomp 357HP/226 Def with Ice Shard)

Roar
Earthquake
Ice Shard
Stealth Rock

This guy soaks them up like nothing else. Took a Waterfall from x2 Bulk Up Swampert with half health. Absolutely great, and as stated, takes 2HKO against Garchomp with those EV's.
I kind of ran mine with a little more attack one time ;)

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[email protected] Lens (Only for Hypnosis, really need opinion on this)
Bold Nature
Mavel Scale
148 HP, 140 Def, 120 Sp Atk

Hypnosis
Ice Beam
Recover
Surf

Not exactly the best set up, but along with Yanmega and Electivire steered me to 100 straight Battle Tower wins. Extremely helpful with Hypnosis, and also great against Garchomp, T-tar, Salamence (Non-Special Variety), Dragonite and others.
I guess if you want the Extra SAtk...
I run mine mostly defensive with only 72 SAtk.


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[email protected]
Bold Nature
212 HP / 216 Def / 80 SDef

Aromatherapy
Seismic Toss
Thunderwave
Softboiled

Pretty easy to see how this is used. Average blissey, must have great IV's for its stats. Unsure on them at this time though. Thinking of replacing it or Milotic with something else, thoughts would be helpfull.
I hope you still have your copy of Emerald version.
Defense is required on Blissey.


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[email protected] Orb
Adamant
Arena Trap
252 Atk, 252 Speed, 6 Def

Stone Edge
Sucker Punch
Earthquake
Aerial Ace

Great electivire counter, and has also been known to KO many an aerodactyl and weavile. Has a great rep. as a Skarmory killer, with stone edge getting critical many a time against skarmory. (Lucky I know, but it happens...:))
Dunno how it gets Weavile and Weavile outspeeds it :x

Regards,

~M51

This team is most likely to suffer from that asdfdasfasding Dragon Dance Gyarados.

Ársa November 9th, 2007 6:37 PM

Actually, no problems with Gyarados surprisingly. That Thunderbolt over Thunderpunch is a great way to prevent that I suppose, and as for Blissey, I don't want defense EV's on it. No matter the Physical move, I switch to Donphan and then Ice Shard, as the main worries for Blissey are T-tar, Garchomp etc. etc.

Probably could run more atk on Donphan, would need to check how much exactly for maximum effect, but it would come out of HP, perhaps too much there, but otherwise, it should be ok.

As for Yanmega, it survived with 22 odd left, but I was suprised extremely, although Focus Sash would have made the same impact. The reason for no HP is the use of Focus Sash, but if going with others, then perhaps HP. Would definately go with HP if using Life Orb, but not wanted, seeing as Wise Glasses would do the same job without Hp loss. Expert Belt was for its rather high Super-Eff hits.

Thankyou for your help. :)

Outsped Weavile with 252 Speed and agility boost from Baton Pass Scizor once upon a time. (Ages ago) Although that is the case, 31 IV's in speed perhaps overtook a dismal Weavile IV of under 27 'ish I suppose...???

~M51

Anti November 9th, 2007 6:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mullac51 (Post 3064524)
Actually, no problems with Gyarados surprisingly. That Thunderbolt over Thunderpunch is a great way to prevent that I suppose, and as for Blissey, I don't want defense EV's on it. No matter the Physical move, I switch to Donphan and then Ice Shard, as the main worries for Blissey are T-tar, Garchomp etc. etc.

Probably could run more atk on Donphan, would need to check how much exactly for maximum effect, but it would come out of HP, perhaps too much there, but otherwise, it should be ok.

As for Yanmega, it survived with 22 odd left, but I was suprised extremely, although Focus Sash would have made the same impact. The reason for no HP is the use of Focus Sash, but if going with others, then perhaps HP. Would definately go with HP if using Life Orb, but not wanted, seeing as Wise Glasses would do the same job without Hp loss. Expert Belt was for its rather high Super-Eff hits.

Thankyou for your help. :)

~M51

Gyarados has 100 base special defense. Tbolt from Vire might not OHKO it :/ EQ FTL

bliss NEEDS max defense. Otherwsie, don't bother. Dugtrio really needs choice badn...like, REALLY needs choice band.

Ársa November 9th, 2007 6:43 PM

So perhaps switch Blissey with another Special Wall? If so, which one?

or.......I could use CHOICE BAND BLISSEY! Who needs 2HKO Donphan on Garchomp when Blissey can 27HKO it! YEAH!!!!!!!!!! lol

~M51

Iceman3k November 9th, 2007 6:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mullac51 (Post 3064524)
Actually, no problems with Gyarados surprisingly. That Thunderbolt over Thunderpunch is a great way to prevent that I suppose, and as for Blissey, I don't want defense EV's on it. No matter the Physical move, I switch to Donphan and then Ice Shard, as the main worries for Blissey are T-tar, Garchomp etc. etc.
So, in perspective, let's say an enemy Gyarados comes in. Uses Taunt, and block Thunder Wave from Blissey. You then switch Donphan in, and the Enemy Gyarados uses Dragon Dance. Do you really think Gyarados will drop from an Ice Shard then?

Probably could run more atk on Donphan, would need to check how much exactly for maximum effect, but it would come out of HP, perhaps too much there, but otherwise, it should be ok.
Just take 40 EVs out of Defense if you want.

As for Yanmega, it survived with 22 odd left, but I was suprised extremely, although Focus Sash would have made the same impact. The reason for no HP is the use of Focus Sash, but if going with others, then perhaps HP. Would definately go with HP if using Life Orb, but not wanted, seeing as Wise Glasses would do the same job without Hp loss. Expert Belt was for its rather high Super-Eff hits.
Even with Focus Sash, it's not going to be protected from Sand Stream users.

Thankyou for your help. :)

Outsped Weavile with 252 Speed and agility boost from Baton Pass Scizor once upon a time. (Ages ago) Although that is the case, 31 IV's in speed perhaps overtook a dismal Weavile IV of under 27 'ish I suppose...???
At this current state, you have nothing to BP Speed to, and Weavile even with only 27 Speed IVs would STILL outrun Dugtrio, Jolly or not.

~M51

This post was made with all meat, and no fillers ;)

Anti November 9th, 2007 6:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mullac51 (Post 3064546)
So perhaps switch Blissey with another Special Wall? If so, which one?

or.......I could use CHOICE BAND BLISSEY! Who needs 2HKO Donphan on Garchomp when Blissey can 27HKO it! YEAH!!!!!!!!!! lol

~M51

No. Blisset is a great special wall. you just have to use this:

Blissey (F) @ Leftovers ** Blisspuff
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SAtk
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Aromatherapy
- Ice Beam / Thunder Wave
- Seismic Toss
- Softboiled

As everything else is epic fail, unless it's in ubers, which it's not. Max defence, or else...

Ársa November 9th, 2007 6:46 PM

ok, thanks. Will breed on emerald for another good one. Does Everstone Apply in Advanced Gen?

~M51

Anti November 9th, 2007 6:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mullac51 (Post 3064562)
ok, thanks. Will breed on emerald for another good one. Does Everstone Apply in Advanced Gen?

~M51

Only in emerald. Breeding bliss is quite tough...

Iceman3k November 9th, 2007 6:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mullac51 (Post 3064562)
ok, thanks. Will breed on emerald for another good one. Does Everstone Apply in Advanced Gen?

~M51

Only on Emerald Version. It'd probably save you time to breed one on Emerald, then teach it S-Toss on FR/LG.

Ársa November 9th, 2007 6:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman3k (Post 3064555)
This post was made with all meat, and no fillers ;)

no, I would then switch to Yanmega, protect and then see where it gets me. Electivire possibly, now that Intimidate is out of the question, wouldn't use Earthquake on Yanmega. (Hopefully..lol)

~M51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman3k (Post 3064574)
Only on Emerald Version. It'd probably save you time to breed one on Emerald, then teach it S-Toss on FR/LG.

Good thing I have both then...:)

EDIT: Weavile @ 125 Base Speed and Dugtrio @ 120 Base Speed. Here lies my theory in the lower IV's on Weavile, and it was Adamant, not Jolly.

~M51

Anti November 9th, 2007 6:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mullac51 (Post 3064592)
no, I would then switch to Yanmega, protect and then see where it gets me. Electivire possibly, now that Intimidate is out of the question, wouldn't use Earthquake on Yanmega. (Hopefully..lol)

~M51

Yanmega isn't so good at switching into pokemon, most notably the sweepers...

Ársa November 9th, 2007 6:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3064600)
Yanmega isn't so good at switching into pokemon, most notably the sweepers...

This was in the theory of using Earthquake on Blissey. If not, it does have Focus Sash to back it up, although will fail on Sandstream/SR teams. This was purely based on the usage of Earthquake. I have decided to change Blissey anyway, so that is no longer an issue. :)

~M51

Anti November 9th, 2007 6:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mullac51 (Post 3064621)
This was in the theory of using Earthquake on Blissey. If not, it does have Focus Sash to back it up, although will fail on Sandstream/SR teams. This was purely based on the usage of Earthquake. I have decided to change Blissey anyway, so that is no longer an issue. :)

~M51

Wait...EQ on blissey? Do I need to get some sleep or were you considering that?

Ársa November 9th, 2007 6:57 PM

No, I mean the Gyarados using earthquake on Blissey, not having EQ as an attack...lol

What about the use of Bronzong over Donphan/Milotic? Did you see my Bronzong set?

~M51

Anti November 9th, 2007 6:59 PM

Iceman3k wouldn't recommend EQ on 10 base attack bliss...

I'm not crazy about bronzong. You'd have to wait until sims comes along, as he knows more about bronzong than I.

Iceman3k November 9th, 2007 6:59 PM

I do think you mean someone attacking a Blissey with Earthquake.
Personally, that's the last thing anyone would do. They'd pummel Blissey with STAB Attacks before Earthquaking it.

Ársa November 9th, 2007 7:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3064671)
Iceman3k wouldn't recommend EQ on 10 base attack bliss...

I'm not crazy about bronzong. You'd have to wait until sims comes along, as he knows more about bronzong than I.

see edit, I see what you meant now. No, this was Gyarados against Blissey...

~M51

Anti November 9th, 2007 7:00 PM

EQing bliss isn't smart...once it gets hit once, a flyer or levitater comes in and is uneffected, then makes you switch :(:(:(

EDIT: Who keeps blissey in against gyarados???

Ársa November 9th, 2007 7:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman3k (Post 3064674)
I do think you mean someone attacking a Blissey with Earthquake.
Personally, that's the last thing anyone would do. They'd pummel Blissey with STAB Attacks before Earthquaking it.

Yes, but in the event that this happens, the Focus Sash is there.

BUT AGAIN! I AM CHANGING BLISSEY now, so no need to really worry anymore. It will be improved.

~M51

Anti November 9th, 2007 7:02 PM

Put in tangrowth over donphan, cvuz it's hawt, and then put in something actually capable of taking special attacks SNORLAX FTW

Ársa November 9th, 2007 7:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3064679)
EQing bliss isn't smart...once it gets hit once, a flyer or levitater comes in and is uneffected, then makes you switch :(:(:(

EDIT: Who keeps blissey in against gyarados???

If you read the conversation between Iceman and myself, you would realise that:

Gyarados vs Blissey

Blissey switch to [email protected] Focus Sash

Gyarados uses Earthquake

Doesn't hit Yanmega or other move = 1 HP

Yanmega Switch to Electivire

Gyarados @ ??? (Hopefully not Earthquake, but may include Focus Sash on Electivire if it comes to that)

Electivire uses Thunderpunch (Now that there is no Intimidate, should KO Gyarados.)

That was the logic.

~M51


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