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Eos Aduro November 10th, 2007 1:10 PM

IM NOT A NEWB WANTING A RATE! *All regulars here pounce*
 
Ok, so I wuv my team currently, but I think it has need of some... revision.

Aerodactyl-Focus Sash
Jolly-252 Atk, 252 Speed, 4 HP
Stealth Rock
Ice Fang
Earthquake
Rock Slide

Ok, I love this guy, hes my lead and works for me, so NO YAPPY AT ME!


Gallade-Choice Scarf
Jolly-252 attack, 172 speed, 40 HP, 40 Def
Leaf Blade
Stone Edge
Night Slash
Close Combat

Ok, I know, it has weird EVs and Nature, but it makes it more defensive, and I like it. Plus my jolly has WOWSA IVs.


Gengar-Focus Sash
Timid-252 special attack, 252 Speed
Focus Blast
Thunderbolt
Shadow Ball
Energy Ball

Special sweeper, nuff said.

Choice Time!

Omastar-Leftovers
Bold-252 Def, 200 special attack, 50 HP
Ice Beam
Surf
Protect
Knock Off

Ok, this guy usually gets a bunch of lip, but if you;ve battled me, you probably know, hes not a pushover. Full IVs in everything but attack, which is 14. Eat that. Protect for discovering choice items and rehealing a bit, knock off for seer annoyance, and me is happy with me Ice Beam and Surf

Omastar or

Torkoal-Leftovers
Relaxed-252 HP, 252 def, 4 spdef
Flamethrower
Gyro Ball
Earthquake
Rapid Spin

Special Wall 2 choices

Dusknoir-Leftovers
Carefull-I forget his EVs
Thunder Punch
Shadow Sneak
Will"O"Wisp
Pain Split

OR

Claydol-Lefotvers
Calm???-Not sure on Evs
Rapid Spin
Earth Power
Cosmic Power
Ice Beam


And my last spot, is very confuzzling

Tangrowth-Leftovers
Impish-252 def, 252 hp
Leech Seed
Power Whip
Knock Off
Stun Spore

This guy is my one and only, and I love him dearly, but I think that this might benefit my team better.

Jumpluff-???
Jolly-252 speed, 252 HP???? jsut a guess
Substitute
Aromatherapy
Leech Seed
U-Turn

I know its weird, but an Aromatherapist would be nice and this guy looks kind of nice right now...

Azonic November 10th, 2007 2:31 PM

Sleep Powder > Stun Spore

Gengar is a really good pokemon to use Hypnosis. Especially with the fact that its a sweeper, it can put major dents in the opponent when they're asleep.

Spice Curry November 10th, 2007 3:09 PM

I've seen Pokemon like Meganium and the ever-popular Blissey used as Aromatherapists. Just out of curiosity, why'd you choose Jumpluff?

Gallade is an awesome Poke~ I usually see him with some sort of stat-inflicting move though, like Hypnosis.

Dusknoir EV spread: 252 HP / 76 DEF / 180 SPDEF
...I think.

oreo November 10th, 2007 4:13 PM

well i kno i would be mad if i battled some1 with TWO sashes, and then to me your jumpluff moveset doesnt make a lot of sense, u have substitute but only one atk move whitch is u-turn which ruins the point of sub.

and you team has 2 seeders, and if you ran accross a tauning pokemon, it wouldnt look nice.

and most def go with dusknoir for wall > claydol. and if u want a suprizing dusknoir, try taunt > WoW

good team overall, i'd give you a 8.5/10


if you want teach gengar hypnosis and give him a wide lens so it will hardly miss, you will sweep many ppl like that.

Azonic November 10th, 2007 5:07 PM

Dusknoir > Claydol also to avoid the half pokemon weak to Ice.

Jumpluff is SubSeeding, but I agree with oreo, U-turn ruins the point of Substitute

Eos Aduro November 10th, 2007 5:23 PM

Well I just made up the set on the spot, and one problem is, I wont have a spinner without Claydol. And I got yelled at about Meganium, and I REFUSE to use that stupid Blissey.

oreo November 10th, 2007 5:25 PM

u dont rlly need a spinner because ur team isnt all that weak vs rock so dont worry about it, dusknoir with taunt takes care of spikes/stealth rock anyways.

Eos Aduro November 10th, 2007 5:28 PM

I prefer Will"O"Wisp still. And I also have 2 Sashed Pokemon, which gets totaly ruined without a spinner. Both have bad defenses, so a spinner is almost a must. Adding one more poke to my choose the two thing.

Ársa November 10th, 2007 5:29 PM

I can see a weakness with your Aerodactyl. A Fake Out + Protect Weavile can simply keep on stalling you, and even if you could defeat it with your aero, the Focus Sash would be useless. The only way you would stop Weavile is by switching in a ghost type, or using Taunt. So perhaps, if you see a weavile, you're in trouble, because even if you switch in a ghost type, weavile will be faster, and with night slash you're in trouble.

You need Taunt on Dusknoir, so you can switch into the Fake Out and then taunt away the Protect. Then switch in aero and earthquake. I know that Dusknoir will get hit by Night Slash, but if you put enough defense EV's into it (As you should), then it should be no problem.

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Careful/Impish
252 HP, 180 Def, 76 Sp. Def (If Impish, stay that, if Careful, swap Defense and Sp. Def)(Impish for Weavile, speed won't be an issue for Dusknoir)

Taunt
WoW
Pain Split
Shadow Sneak/Thunderpunch (Depends on how you want to play Dusknoir, heavier hit over 1st hit.)

Taunt will also help against other walls that like to wall dusknoir. (I know that Spiritomb is good at this, first hand experience.)

Also, because you have Stealth Rock on Aerodactyl, Dusknoir is better over Claydol because of Rapid spin resistence, and because of the four main rapid spinners (Starmie, Donphan, Foretress and Claydol) Starmie would be the only true problem in the way of other attacks.

Regards,

~M51

Eos Aduro November 10th, 2007 5:32 PM

My Aerodactyl is faster than any Weavile I;ve ever faced, and I have NEVER seen a Weavile with protect. So, not a issue. And No taunt on Dusknoir, I like its set. Final. So its either Omastar and Cladol, Dusknoir and Torkoal, and Jumpluff or Tangrowth, which are my only problem. I need Richard to come support Claydol.

Samson November 10th, 2007 5:34 PM

some weaviles do have fake out and have focus sash themselves. so it would defeat aero in that aspect.

oreo November 10th, 2007 5:35 PM

i still think ur team would be beaten by a bp team or anything that could use dd aka gdos lol

Eos Aduro November 10th, 2007 5:36 PM

I've actually dealt with them being sashed with Aerodactyl, even if its sashed. there is no problem with my Aerodactyl, so leave it. Now on to who I should choose... OMG thank god Name is here please help me OUT! Name left... Truth is, I dont need help on my team itself, which I love, and doesnt really need all that much work. What i need is to decide for one, which spinner, which is a MUST! And Whether or not Jumpluff over Tangrowth. SIMS AND ANTI-POP WHERE ARE YOU?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Anti November 10th, 2007 7:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oreo (Post 3068956)
i still think ur team would be beaten by a bp team

sadly correct. You need a PHazer, or the normally lol BP teams will seem mighty powerful.

or anything that could use dd aka gdos lol

aero FTW

But yeah...horribly boltbeam weak...you might wanna get a counter for boltbeamers...

Eos Aduro November 10th, 2007 7:33 PM

Hrmmmm,

Aerodactyl
Gallade
Gengar
Torkoal
Dusknoir
Infernape, adds a nice mixed sweeper to my team.

Anti November 10th, 2007 7:34 PM

Starmie weak...but I guess Noir handles it okay, so you should be able to fair decently against it...

Eos Aduro November 10th, 2007 7:39 PM

I already miss tangrowth :(. So Infernape looks like

Infernape-???
???-???
Grass Knot
Flamthrower
Close Combat
Earthquake

Anti November 10th, 2007 7:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Midnight Winged (Post 3069579)
I already miss tangrowth :(. So Infernape looks like

Infernape-???
???-???
Grass Knot
Flamthrower
Close Combat
Earthquake

I'm pretty sure nasty plot is over EQ, as close combat and EQ have nearly the same coverage anyways.

Eos Aduro November 10th, 2007 7:45 PM

Not for mixed, Nasty Plot is only special sweeping I think. Hrmmmm, what is that other physical move... THUNDERPUNCH I think thats it.

Anti November 10th, 2007 7:48 PM

Thunderpunch is for loling at switch-ins of the water brand. So you can lol at them so Much!!!

Eos Aduro November 10th, 2007 7:49 PM

lolololololololol. And yes, I like that. Plus it gives a dang big amount of Pokes a dent in there skulls. Any other advice?

Arcknight316 November 10th, 2007 7:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Midnight Winged (Post 3068948)
My Aerodactyl is faster than any Weavile I;ve ever faced, and I have NEVER seen a Weavile with protect. So, not a issue. And No taunt on Dusknoir, I like its set. Final. So its either Omastar and Cladol, Dusknoir and Torkoal, and Jumpluff or Tangrowth, which are my only problem. I need Richard to come support Claydol.

Yeah, Dusknoir's too slow to pull off a Taunt anyway.

Anti November 10th, 2007 7:51 PM

And?

I support claydol, it's a great mixed wall, teh pwnz0rz in fact.

Eos Aduro November 10th, 2007 7:55 PM

Well so do I, plus my luck with Dusknoir IVs has been in the toilet. Which means

Aerodactyl
Gallade
Gengar
Omastar
Claydol
Infernape

Whcih gives me one poke weak to bolt and beam, one poke weak to beam, and one poke weak to bolt. Not THAT bad.

Anti November 10th, 2007 7:59 PM

no special wall...I mean, clatdol can take ice beam, but it sure doesn't like to. It's more of a mixed wall...unless you altered its moveset and EVs...


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