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Empoleon Any good??
Looking at his type he's got mad defenses against alot and he's got some very unique moves...so i'm guna take a shot with a set of him.
[email protected] Timid 188 Hp, 192 Speed, 80 Sp. Def., 44 Sp. Atk Surf Ice Beam Grass Knot Agility I thought that since he can learn agility...he might be able to do what metagross does...jus a lil' diff. lol It probably sucks but i wana hear comments about it =) |
Empoleon=Worst Starter Ever. he is not bvery good at all. He has weaks to ground, fighting and eletric, which most pokes carry with them like pants. But here is a way to work with him a little.
Empoleon Agility Surf Grass Knot Ice Beam |
why flash cannon? hydro pump covers it so grass knot or surf
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It covers what you can wall easily, and isnt really very much needed, grass knot is a must instead of Flash Cannon
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No Hydro Pump, or I'll smack you. Surf, and ONLY surf.
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I threaten to smack everyone, nothing against you. And he needs some attacking EVs, but Im not sure how to go about that
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Empoleon is a unique pokemon.
The best way to go for it is Naughty. Empoleon has aweful speed but picks up aqua jet...so why not get a atack boosting/speed hindering nature. He is actualy the most useful pokemon for a tactition.....If you have a magnet riser on your team....all that's left to concern your self with is fighting/electric. A focus sash/band(depending on how much hp it has) will be best equip for it. Mix-poleon is beastly...252 atk, 252 sp.atk, 6 hp with Flash Cannon, Hydro Pump, Aqua Jet and Shadow Claw is one to fear. |
Stick with Surf, ALWAYS stick with surf
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Along with those weakness...it has 11 resistances... [email protected]/Life Orb Modest EV: 252 Atk/ 252 Spd/ 6 HP -Surf -Ice Beam -Grass Knot -Agility It's gonna need the Special Attack to be an good sweeper. Life Orb makes it better. But Leftovers is always good to go with it's bulky like nature. |
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The only thing that is bad about your empoleon is that becuz u put full EV's in both atk's his def, hp, and speed(cuz of agility up top) will be horrible and he rly isnt the one to try and sweep with that ev spread. Maybe focus sash WOULD be better though. Not too sure bout the moveset either...i like aqua jet and pump but shadow claw isnt strong enuff and even i would go grass knot>flash cannon |
What's the max speed of an Empoleon anyways?
I'm just curious...mines is adament @ 100 and only has 162 speed. EDIT: Well....I enjoy using unexpected move sets..... That one general works for me. It takes care of a wide array of pokemon so I don't get walled...The only thing that Walls empo is Blissey...but then again...I got an Aggron who sweeps thoose in 2 Brick Breaks :o |
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very true about the resistances, which is why i think he is kind of over-looked. and when u mean *Atk* you mean sp. atk right ;) Idk bout modest...i dont even know how fast poleon WOULD be when hes agilitied... |
It has a limited special movepool though, and lower speed, which puts it againsty a disadvantage to any boltbeamer.
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Empoleon has 22 less points in speed than Metagross. So with Max SpeedEV's with an Modest nature. It may out speed an jolly Garchomp. |
The special moves empo picks up is limited...but mostly stabbed.....so the power it generates helps itself.
That's why I go mix-poleon. EDIT:I didn't think it could do it... maybe full speed with avalanche, water fall and steel wing...it might sweep..... But I'm happy atm with mines. |
Depends on IVs, and a Chomp would just EQ it, nothing left! Ifit has to use agility, that watses a turn for a chomp to switch in, if its faster, you;re screwed.
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Torterra has a super movepool though. And speed of 333
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most people get cute and life orb Garchomp.... Max Atk/sp.atk with avalance/ice beam = Garchomp on the rocks... |
I'm pretty sure..like TP said, if you sash it it'd get back with an ice beam anyway.
Also speed of 333?? Agiltied empo. can probably beat that with max speed ev's |
Some people also scarf it, but yeah you probably could, but you would need good IVs
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A even if Garchomp poseses a sash as well...One Aqua jet takes care of the issue...
Honestly...Aqua jet is perhaps the best move for empo because with full atk, stab and first move...It would do a number for that desperation counter. |
Yea but it's either aqua jet or agility and im agility>aqua jet becuz when agilitied empo. can use better moves first.
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Saying Empoleon is the worst starter ever is kind of harsh. True, his weaknesses kill him but you could say that for any Pokemon, can't you? And with so many resistances, he's very easy to switch in.
Other than the Agility version, here's another set: [Empoleon] @ Leftovers Nature: Calm EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 SDef Ability: Torrent - Surf - Ice Beam - Stealth Rock/Yawn/Roar - Grass Knot Empoleon is a pretty decent Special Wall; just wish it had a GOOD recovery move not named 'Rest' or 'Aqua Ring'... >.< EDIT: Why would you use Aqua Jet?! Aqua Jet is Physical and Empoleon's assets lay in its Special Attack. You're not likely to be doing much damage with it to begin with, even with STAB, unless you're running a Swords Dance version of Empoleon which...in all honesty, is novelty. |
Meh, i detest it. Plus Im kind of having a crappy day. It is not the worst stater ever, thats probably one of teh grass ones. An I suppose you could special wall it with Stealth Rock, Roar, Aqua Jet, and Grass Knot
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i think that'd be Venusaur =P but thaz jus my opinion |
Well...Mix-poleon is a terror on wifi Curry.
Aqua Jet is merely a counter for focus sash or for som damage inflictied if you know your pokemon will die with out sneaking in a move. This moveset kills. Empoleon @ Focus Sash 252 atk 252 sp.atk 6 hp Hydro Pump Shadow Claw/Avalanche Flash Cannon Aqua Jet. As I said before...this covers a ton of pokemon. EDIT: I don't beleive any of the starters are terrible....just misunderstood..... Everyone knows how to run 4 of them...but the rest haven't been planned upon. |
Oh look I got 900 posts, cool. And SURF OVER HYDRO PUMP! ALWAYS! ACCURACY IS WORTH IT
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Why Flash Cannon? Besides for STAB, it doesn't really have much of a purpose, does it? Ice Beam or Grass Knot would prove more useful there, I believe.
His attack is kind of mediocre, which is why I'm a tad puzzled at the whole Aqua Jet thing and all. Usually his physical attacks won't pack as much of a punch...unless you're running Choice Band or SD. |
Thats how i feel about aqua jet personally.
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Well it goes first, which is its good caractersitic, like Shadow Sneak over Shadow punch on Dusknoir. Or Ice Shard on Donphan.
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