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Lil MuDkiP849 November 10th, 2007 1:15 PM

Empoleon Any good??
 
Looking at his type he's got mad defenses against alot and he's got some very unique moves...so i'm guna take a shot with a set of him.

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Timid
188 Hp, 192 Speed, 80 Sp. Def., 44 Sp. Atk

Surf
Ice Beam
Grass Knot
Agility

I thought that since he can learn agility...he might be able to do what metagross does...jus a lil' diff. lol

It probably sucks but i wana hear comments about it =)

Eos Aduro November 10th, 2007 1:18 PM

Empoleon=Worst Starter Ever. he is not bvery good at all. He has weaks to ground, fighting and eletric, which most pokes carry with them like pants. But here is a way to work with him a little.

Empoleon
Agility
Surf
Grass Knot
Ice Beam

evilcheese November 10th, 2007 1:18 PM

why flash cannon? hydro pump covers it so grass knot or surf

Lil MuDkiP849 November 10th, 2007 1:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Midnight Winged (Post 3067978)
Empoleon=Worst Starter Ever. he is not bvery good at all. He has weaks to ground, fighting and eletric, which most pokes carry with them like pants. But here is a way to work with him a little.

Empoleon
Agility
Surf
Grass Knot
Ice Beam

Hmm....duno bout grass knot it covers what water and ground right??

Quote:

Originally Posted by evilcheese (Post 3067983)
why flash cannon? hydro pump covers it so grass knot or surf

For STAB purposes really

Eos Aduro November 10th, 2007 1:21 PM

It covers what you can wall easily, and isnt really very much needed, grass knot is a must instead of Flash Cannon

Lil MuDkiP849 November 10th, 2007 1:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Midnight Winged (Post 3067995)
It covers what you can wall easily, and isnt really very much needed, grass knot is a must instead of Flash Cannon

Okay replaced...anything else or is he good for battlezz =)

Eos Aduro November 10th, 2007 1:23 PM

No Hydro Pump, or I'll smack you. Surf, and ONLY surf.

Lil MuDkiP849 November 10th, 2007 1:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Midnight Winged (Post 3068007)
No Hydro Pump, or I'll smack you. Surf, and ONLY surf.

why does everyone on this forum threaten to smack me sometimes lol ='(

Okay replaced

Eos Aduro November 10th, 2007 1:25 PM

I threaten to smack everyone, nothing against you. And he needs some attacking EVs, but Im not sure how to go about that

Lil MuDkiP849 November 10th, 2007 1:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Midnight Winged (Post 3068020)
I threaten to smack everyone, nothing against you. And he needs some attacking EVs, but Im not sure how to go about that

I'll take 44 EV's outta Hp since he already has got decent Hp

TP-BigWill November 10th, 2007 1:52 PM

Empoleon is a unique pokemon.

The best way to go for it is Naughty.
Empoleon has aweful speed but picks up aqua jet...so why not get a atack boosting/speed hindering nature.

He is actualy the most useful pokemon for a tactition.....If you have a magnet riser on your team....all that's left to concern your self with is fighting/electric. A focus sash/band(depending on how much hp it has) will be best equip for it.
Mix-poleon is beastly...252 atk, 252 sp.atk, 6 hp with Flash Cannon, Hydro Pump, Aqua Jet and Shadow Claw is one to fear.

Eos Aduro November 10th, 2007 1:53 PM

Stick with Surf, ALWAYS stick with surf

MegaDitto November 10th, 2007 1:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Midnight Winged (Post 3067978)
Empoleon=Worst Starter Ever. he is not bvery good at all. He has weaks to ground, fighting and eletric, which most pokes carry with them like pants. But here is a way to work with him a little.

That's a little ignorant to say....

Along with those weakness...it has 11 resistances...

[email protected]/Life Orb
Modest
EV: 252 Atk/ 252 Spd/ 6 HP
-Surf
-Ice Beam
-Grass Knot
-Agility

It's gonna need the Special Attack to be an good sweeper. Life Orb makes it better. But Leftovers is always good to go with it's bulky like nature.

Lil MuDkiP849 November 10th, 2007 1:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TP-BigWill (Post 3068149)
Empoleon is a unique pokemon.

The best way to go for it is Naughty.
Empoleon has aweful speed but picks up aqua jet...so why not get a atack boosting/speed hindering nature.

He is actualy the most useful pokemon for a tactition.....If you have a magnet riser on your team....all that's left to concern your self with is fighting/electric. A focus sash/band(depending on how much hp it has) will be best equip for it.
Mix-poleon is beastly...252 atk, 252 sp.atk, 6 hp with Flash Cannon, Hydro Pump, Aqua Jet and Shadow Claw is one to fear.

I like the idea of combining megnet rising-Zone with Poleon...interesting...

The only thing that is bad about your empoleon is that becuz u put full EV's in both atk's his def, hp, and speed(cuz of agility up top) will be horrible and he rly isnt the one to try and sweep with that ev spread. Maybe focus sash WOULD be better though.

Not too sure bout the moveset either...i like aqua jet and pump but shadow claw isnt strong enuff and even i would go grass knot>flash cannon

TP-BigWill November 10th, 2007 1:57 PM

What's the max speed of an Empoleon anyways?

I'm just curious...mines is adament @ 100 and only has 162 speed.

EDIT: Well....I enjoy using unexpected move sets.....
That one general works for me. It takes care of a wide array of pokemon so I don't get walled...The only thing that Walls empo is Blissey...but then again...I got an Aggron who sweeps thoose in 2 Brick Breaks :o

Lil MuDkiP849 November 10th, 2007 1:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bleach and Sunshine (Post 3068160)
Along with those weakness...it has 11 resistances...

[email protected]/Life Orb
Modest
EV: 252 Atk/ 252 Spd/ 6 HP
-Surf
-Ice Beam
-Grass Knot
-Agility

It's gonna need the Special Attack to be an good sweeper. Life Orb makes it better. But Leftovers is always good to go with it's bulky like nature.


very true about the resistances, which is why i think he is kind of over-looked.

and when u mean *Atk* you mean sp. atk right ;)

Idk bout modest...i dont even know how fast poleon WOULD be when hes agilitied...

Eos Aduro November 10th, 2007 1:58 PM

It has a limited special movepool though, and lower speed, which puts it againsty a disadvantage to any boltbeamer.

MegaDitto November 10th, 2007 2:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lil MuDkiP849 (Post 3068172)
very true about the resistances, which is why i think he is kind of over-looked.

and when u mean *Atk* you mean sp. atk right ;)

Idk bout modest...i dont even know how fast poleon WOULD be when hes agilitied...

You are correct..But you get my point anyway. XD

Empoleon has 22 less points in speed than Metagross. So with Max SpeedEV's with an Modest nature. It may out speed an jolly Garchomp.

TP-BigWill November 10th, 2007 2:02 PM

The special moves empo picks up is limited...but mostly stabbed.....so the power it generates helps itself.

That's why I go mix-poleon.

EDIT:I didn't think it could do it...

maybe full speed with avalanche, water fall and steel wing...it might sweep.....
But I'm happy atm with mines.

Eos Aduro November 10th, 2007 2:02 PM

Depends on IVs, and a Chomp would just EQ it, nothing left! Ifit has to use agility, that watses a turn for a chomp to switch in, if its faster, you;re screwed.

Kayke™ November 10th, 2007 2:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Midnight Winged (Post 3067978)
Empoleon=Worst Starter Ever.

Torterra is far worse. He can't survive any ice attacks, he's slow, and doesn't have anything in particular going for him. Empoleon has some usages, even if his weaknesses can be exploited sometimes. I'm sure we can all agree that Infernape's the best though.

Lil MuDkiP849 November 10th, 2007 2:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Midnight Winged (Post 3068196)
Depends on IVs, and a Chomp would just EQ it, nothing left! Ifit has to use agility, that watses a turn for a chomp to switch in, if its faster, you;re screwed.

what's garchomps MAX speed as jolly+252 ev's speed?

Eos Aduro November 10th, 2007 2:05 PM

Torterra has a super movepool though. And speed of 333

Lil MuDkiP849 November 10th, 2007 2:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hata-kun (Post 3068202)
Infernape's the best though.

Quoted for coolness 8-D *filler*

TP-BigWill November 10th, 2007 2:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Midnight Winged (Post 3068196)
Depends on IVs, and a Chomp would just EQ it, nothing left! Ifit has to use agility, that watses a turn for a chomp to switch in, if its faster, you;re screwed.

Thats why you sash it....

most people get cute and life orb Garchomp....

Max Atk/sp.atk with avalance/ice beam = Garchomp on the rocks...

Lil MuDkiP849 November 10th, 2007 2:09 PM

I'm pretty sure..like TP said, if you sash it it'd get back with an ice beam anyway.

Also speed of 333?? Agiltied empo. can probably beat that with max speed ev's

Eos Aduro November 10th, 2007 2:11 PM

Some people also scarf it, but yeah you probably could, but you would need good IVs

Lil MuDkiP849 November 10th, 2007 2:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Midnight Winged (Post 3068234)
Some people also scarf it, but yeah you probably could, but you would need good IVs

I'm not worried about IV's since i never have a problem getting good one's fast.

TP-BigWill November 10th, 2007 2:14 PM

A even if Garchomp poseses a sash as well...One Aqua jet takes care of the issue...

Honestly...Aqua jet is perhaps the best move for empo because with full atk, stab and first move...It would do a number for that desperation counter.

Lil MuDkiP849 November 10th, 2007 2:16 PM

Yea but it's either aqua jet or agility and im agility>aqua jet becuz when agilitied empo. can use better moves first.

Spice Curry November 10th, 2007 2:19 PM

Saying Empoleon is the worst starter ever is kind of harsh. True, his weaknesses kill him but you could say that for any Pokemon, can't you? And with so many resistances, he's very easy to switch in.

Other than the Agility version, here's another set:

[Empoleon] @ Leftovers
Nature: Calm
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 SDef
Ability: Torrent
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Stealth Rock/Yawn/Roar
- Grass Knot

Empoleon is a pretty decent Special Wall; just wish it had a GOOD recovery move not named 'Rest' or 'Aqua Ring'... >.<

EDIT: Why would you use Aqua Jet?! Aqua Jet is Physical and Empoleon's assets lay in its Special Attack. You're not likely to be doing much damage with it to begin with, even with STAB, unless you're running a Swords Dance version of Empoleon which...in all honesty, is novelty.

Eos Aduro November 10th, 2007 2:23 PM

Meh, i detest it. Plus Im kind of having a crappy day. It is not the worst stater ever, thats probably one of teh grass ones. An I suppose you could special wall it with Stealth Rock, Roar, Aqua Jet, and Grass Knot

Lil MuDkiP849 November 10th, 2007 2:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Midnight Winged (Post 3068289)
thats probably one of teh grass ones


i think that'd be Venusaur =P but thaz jus my opinion

TP-BigWill November 10th, 2007 2:27 PM

Well...Mix-poleon is a terror on wifi Curry.

Aqua Jet is merely a counter for focus sash or for som damage inflictied if you know your pokemon will die with out sneaking in a move. This moveset kills.

Empoleon @ Focus Sash
252 atk 252 sp.atk 6 hp
Hydro Pump
Shadow Claw/Avalanche
Flash Cannon
Aqua Jet.

As I said before...this covers a ton of pokemon.

EDIT: I don't beleive any of the starters are terrible....just misunderstood.....
Everyone knows how to run 4 of them...but the rest haven't been planned upon.

Eos Aduro November 10th, 2007 2:29 PM

Oh look I got 900 posts, cool. And SURF OVER HYDRO PUMP! ALWAYS! ACCURACY IS WORTH IT

Spice Curry November 10th, 2007 2:39 PM

Why Flash Cannon? Besides for STAB, it doesn't really have much of a purpose, does it? Ice Beam or Grass Knot would prove more useful there, I believe.

His attack is kind of mediocre, which is why I'm a tad puzzled at the whole Aqua Jet thing and all. Usually his physical attacks won't pack as much of a punch...unless you're running Choice Band or SD.

Lil MuDkiP849 November 10th, 2007 2:39 PM

Thats how i feel about aqua jet personally.

Eos Aduro November 10th, 2007 2:41 PM

Well it goes first, which is its good caractersitic, like Shadow Sneak over Shadow punch on Dusknoir. Or Ice Shard on Donphan.


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