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Lil MuDkiP849 November 10th, 2007 2:09 PM

I'm pretty sure..like TP said, if you sash it it'd get back with an ice beam anyway.

Also speed of 333?? Agiltied empo. can probably beat that with max speed ev's

Eos Aduro November 10th, 2007 2:11 PM

Some people also scarf it, but yeah you probably could, but you would need good IVs

Lil MuDkiP849 November 10th, 2007 2:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Midnight Winged (Post 3068234)
Some people also scarf it, but yeah you probably could, but you would need good IVs

I'm not worried about IV's since i never have a problem getting good one's fast.

TP-BigWill November 10th, 2007 2:14 PM

A even if Garchomp poseses a sash as well...One Aqua jet takes care of the issue...

Honestly...Aqua jet is perhaps the best move for empo because with full atk, stab and first move...It would do a number for that desperation counter.

Lil MuDkiP849 November 10th, 2007 2:16 PM

Yea but it's either aqua jet or agility and im agility>aqua jet becuz when agilitied empo. can use better moves first.

Spice Curry November 10th, 2007 2:19 PM

Saying Empoleon is the worst starter ever is kind of harsh. True, his weaknesses kill him but you could say that for any Pokemon, can't you? And with so many resistances, he's very easy to switch in.

Other than the Agility version, here's another set:

[Empoleon] @ Leftovers
Nature: Calm
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 SDef
Ability: Torrent
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Stealth Rock/Yawn/Roar
- Grass Knot

Empoleon is a pretty decent Special Wall; just wish it had a GOOD recovery move not named 'Rest' or 'Aqua Ring'... >.<

EDIT: Why would you use Aqua Jet?! Aqua Jet is Physical and Empoleon's assets lay in its Special Attack. You're not likely to be doing much damage with it to begin with, even with STAB, unless you're running a Swords Dance version of Empoleon which...in all honesty, is novelty.

Eos Aduro November 10th, 2007 2:23 PM

Meh, i detest it. Plus Im kind of having a crappy day. It is not the worst stater ever, thats probably one of teh grass ones. An I suppose you could special wall it with Stealth Rock, Roar, Aqua Jet, and Grass Knot

Lil MuDkiP849 November 10th, 2007 2:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Midnight Winged (Post 3068289)
thats probably one of teh grass ones


i think that'd be Venusaur =P but thaz jus my opinion

TP-BigWill November 10th, 2007 2:27 PM

Well...Mix-poleon is a terror on wifi Curry.

Aqua Jet is merely a counter for focus sash or for som damage inflictied if you know your pokemon will die with out sneaking in a move. This moveset kills.

Empoleon @ Focus Sash
252 atk 252 sp.atk 6 hp
Hydro Pump
Shadow Claw/Avalanche
Flash Cannon
Aqua Jet.

As I said before...this covers a ton of pokemon.

EDIT: I don't beleive any of the starters are terrible....just misunderstood.....
Everyone knows how to run 4 of them...but the rest haven't been planned upon.

Eos Aduro November 10th, 2007 2:29 PM

Oh look I got 900 posts, cool. And SURF OVER HYDRO PUMP! ALWAYS! ACCURACY IS WORTH IT

Spice Curry November 10th, 2007 2:39 PM

Why Flash Cannon? Besides for STAB, it doesn't really have much of a purpose, does it? Ice Beam or Grass Knot would prove more useful there, I believe.

His attack is kind of mediocre, which is why I'm a tad puzzled at the whole Aqua Jet thing and all. Usually his physical attacks won't pack as much of a punch...unless you're running Choice Band or SD.

Lil MuDkiP849 November 10th, 2007 2:39 PM

Thats how i feel about aqua jet personally.

Eos Aduro November 10th, 2007 2:41 PM

Well it goes first, which is its good caractersitic, like Shadow Sneak over Shadow punch on Dusknoir. Or Ice Shard on Donphan.


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