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oreobytes November 10th, 2007 6:37 PM

rate my team?
 
this being my first "rate my team" thread, here it goes!
feel free to critique/rate as much as you want i'm in need of some help
(but please try not to tell me to switch pokemon, unless you seriously think it's neccesary, thanks =) )

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[email protected] Sludge (i don't have the item yet but i am going to get it for him)
-Mean Look
-Toxic
-Fly
-Confuse Ray

[email protected] nothing as of now (suggestions?)
-Eruption
-Subsitute
-Focus Punch
-Earthquake

[email protected] Lens
-Waterfall
-Dragon Dance
-Ice Beam
-Hydro Pump
(i don't think i'm going to need a lot of help on Kingdra any more, unless there's something to replace hydro Pump with considering i have Waterfall already)

[email protected] nothing right now (suggestions?)
-Flash Cannon
-Magnet Rise
-Zap Cannon
-Lock On

[email protected] Ball
-Shadow Ball
-Embargo
-Psychic
-Trick

[email protected] nothing right now?
-Stone Edge
-Iron Tail
-Stealth Rock
-Double Edge

alrighty there they are!

Azonic November 10th, 2007 6:45 PM

Erm... Iron Tail sucks on any pokemon.

Kingdra is a Rain Dancer, take advantage of its Swift Swim. If it gets the speed boost, it gets to be one of the fastest pokemon in the game.

ultranerd57 November 10th, 2007 6:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oreobytes (Post 3069168)
this being my first "rate my team" thread, here it goes!
feel free to critique/rate as much as you want i'm in need of some help
(but please try not to tell me to switch pokemon, unless you seriously think it's neccesary, thanks =) )

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[email protected] Sludge (i don't have the item yet but i am going to get it for him)
252spd/ 252spatk/ 6def
Hasty

-Sludge Bomb
-Toxic
-Air slash
-Confuse Ray

Most Hm moves including fly kinda suck go with air slash instead. Now he kinda looks like an annoyer which is what most Crobat should be.

[email protected] nothing as of now (suggestions?)Expert Belt/ Choice band
252atk / 252spd/ 6spdef
Adamant

-Eruption
-Subsitute
-Focus Punch
-Earthquake

[email protected] Lens
252spd/ 252spatk/ 6def
-Waterfall
-Dragon Dance
-Ice Beam
-Hydro Pump
(i don't think i'm going to need a lot of help on Kingdra any more, unless there's something to replace hydro Pump with considering i have Waterfall already)

Why DD with only one physical move if he can learn it give him CM either that or Rain Dance.

[email protected] nothing right now (suggestions?) Iron Ball
252hp/ 138def/ 120spdef
-Gyro Ball
-Thunder bolt
- ThunderWave
-Magnet Rise

Don't know what to replace magnet rise with srry

[email protected] Ball
-Shadow Ball
-Embargo
-Psychic
-Trick

Whoa Iron Ball What??? That I know doesn't belong the rest I can't help with

[email protected] nothing right now?[B]Iron BallB]
-Roar
-Gyro Ball
-Stealth Rock
-EQ

alrighty there they are!


My changes are in bold, some things I can't help with though sorry.

Azonic November 10th, 2007 7:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted By ultranerd57

[email protected] nothing right now (suggestions?) Iron Ball
252hp/ 138def/ 120spdef
-Gyro Ball
-Thunder bolt
- ThunderWave
-Magnet Rise

[email protected] nothing as of now (suggestions?)Expert Belt/ Choice band
252atk / 252spd/ 6spdef
Adamant
-Eruption
-Subsitute
-Focus Punch
-Earthquake
These movesets given are lol. Choice Band with Substitute on Tyranitar? No. And Gyro Ball on Magnezone? Have you even seen his physical attack stat? And what benefit does Iron Ball do? It makes the holder attack last, it doesn't lower speed. -_-;

ultranerd57 November 10th, 2007 7:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Azonic (Post 3069354)
These movesets given are lol. Choice Band with Substitute on Tyranitar? No. And Gyro Ball on Magnezone? Have you even seen his physical attack stat? And what benefit does Iron Ball do? It makes the holder attack last, it doesn't lower speed. -_-;

Tyranitar???? Whoops I forgot about substitute so give it expert belt instead.
....No I currently have not seen Magnezones Atk stat so if its that bad ignore me and put Flash Cannon.

Anti November 10th, 2007 7:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oreobytes (Post 3069168)
this being my first "rate my team" thread, here it goes!
feel free to critique/rate as much as you want i'm in need of some help
(but please try not to tell me to switch pokemon, unless you seriously think it's neccesary, thanks =) )

----

[email protected] Sludge (i don't have the item yet but i am going to get it for him)
-Mean Look
-Toxic
-Fly
-Confuse Ray

Annoyerbat fails...run the nasty plot set I guess...

[email protected] choice scarf
-Eruption
-Special move
-Focus Punch
-special move

Because I know nothing about Typhlosion movepool :(


Kingdr[email protected]lum berry / Lefties
-hidden power [grass]
-rain Dance
-Ice Beam
-surf
(i don't think i'm going to need a lot of help on Kingdra any more, unless there's something to replace hydro Pump with considering i have Waterfall already)

scope lens is a hax item...

[email protected] lefties
Trait: MAGNET PULL

-Flash Cannon / HP Ice
-substitute
-thunderbolt
-thunder wave

Lock on + zap cannon = epic fail.


[email protected] Ball
-Shadow Ball
-Embargo
-Psychic
-Trick

Run physical attacks on it...I don't know much else on it...

[email protected] lefties
-gyro ball / rest
-roar / rest
-Stealth Rock / Rest
-EQ

alrighty there they are!

Edit in bold. where is your special wall? Not to mention PHazer, heal beller, spinner...you need these things.

Iceman3k November 10th, 2007 7:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oreobytes (Post 3069168)
this being my first "rate my team" thread, here it goes!
feel free to critique/rate as much as you want i'm in need of some help
(but please try not to tell me to switch pokemon, unless you seriously think it's neccesary, thanks =) )

----

[email protected] Sludge (i don't have the item yet but i am going to get it for him)
-Hypnosis
-Cross Poison
-Substitute
-U-Turn
That whole set was fail. There's some better moves.

Typhlosion @ Choice Specs
-Overheat
-Hidden Power (Ice)
-Focus Blast
-Flamethrower / Fire Blast
I'm not really an expert on Typhlosion, but I'm smart enough to know that it shouldn't be running with Physical Attacks.

[email protected]Damp Rock / Lum Berry / Wise Glasses
-Dragon Pulse
-Rain Dance
-Ice Beam
-Surf
(i don't think i'm going to need a lot of help on Kingdra any more, unless there's something to replace hydro Pump with considering i have Waterfall already)
Run Surf, with Rain Dance, and use Dragon Pulse. DO IT.

[email protected] Leftovers
-Flash Cannon
-Thunder Wave
-Thunderbolt
-Hidden Power (Ice)
I'll worry about this later

[email protected]Leftovers
-Shadow Sneak
-Will-O-Wisp
-Pursuit
-Knock Off
I suck at Banette, but I'm smart enough to know not to run Embargo AND Trick on the same Pokemon.
Let someone else deal with Banette, I screwed him up badly. =/


Steelix @ LEFTOVERS
-Earthquake / Gyro Ball
-Roar
-Stealth Rock
-Rest / Explosion

alrighty there they are!

Decent choice of Pokemon, but the most horrid choice of moveset atrocities I've ever seen.

oreobytes November 10th, 2007 7:21 PM

So far i'm really liking your help guys!!

@ ultranerd: the Iron Ball with Banette went with Trick, to switch out items but i don't like that idea i had with him- it's too stupid and hard to pull off. So i'm stumped on what to do with my banette, it's a great pokemon but i have no idea what i can do with him....
BTW where can i get an Expert Belt?

Also- on Steelix, EQ stands for....? I kept double-edge because his Ability is Rock Head so he doesn't get recoil, so i can take advantage of the heavy damage dealing move. Should i really get rid of it?


@ Everyone else: Dang i didn't realize i'd get a bunch of help SO quickly hahaha thanks
And yea, i know, all of my movesets were pretty much failures which is why i came here for help! i'm not the best with strategy movesets hahaha thanks for all the input

Anti November 10th, 2007 7:23 PM

EQ stands for earthquake. with STAB, it gets more power than double-edge, so yeah, get rid of it...and sturdy comes in handy for beating OHKO n00bs who try to sheer cold you to death :)

oreobytes November 10th, 2007 7:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3069456)
EQ stands for earthquake. with STAB, it gets more power than double-edge, so yeah, get rid of it...and sturdy comes in handy for beating OHKO n00bs who try to sheer cold you to death :)

That sounds really good! But my steelix has Rock Head, not Sturdy unluckily, which is why i stuck with Double-Edge for so long,
but i'm probably going to get rid of it and go with making him hold IronBall, with the moveset Gyro Ball, EQ, Stealth Rock and Roar. Is that pretty good?

Anti November 10th, 2007 7:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oreobytes (Post 3069530)
That sounds really good! But my steelix has Rock Head, not Sturdy unluckily, which is why i stuck with Double-Edge for so long,
but i'm probably going to get rid of it and go with making him hold IronBall, with the moveset Gyro Ball, EQ, Stealth Rock and Roar. Is that pretty good?

Only pretty good. From using steelix for a long time, I'll tell you that its EQ weak really hurts it; it needs means of recovery or you're smoked sausage. Wish support at the very least. There really are betetr SRers...IMO

oreobytes November 10th, 2007 7:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3069536)
Only pretty good. From using steelix for a long time, I'll tell you that its EQ weak really hurts it; it needs means of recovery or you're smoked sausage. Wish support at the very least. There really are betetr SRers...IMO

Do you have any other suggestions of other pokemon to use? (Or suggestions for a better moveset for him) I've been thinking of replacing my Steelix if it comes down to it, even though i'd love to keep him.

Anti November 10th, 2007 7:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oreobytes (Post 3069563)
Do you have any other suggestions of other pokemon to use? (Or suggestions for a better moveset for him) I've been thinking of replacing my Steelix if it comes down to it, even though i'd love to keep him.

I'd say replace SR with rest.
Bannete does almost nothing for this team. If you want a trick user:

Zam @ Choice Specs
Trait: Synchronize
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Psychic
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast
- Trick

I think it is...

Arcknight316 November 10th, 2007 7:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oreobytes (Post 3069168)
this being my first "rate my team" thread, here it goes!
feel free to critique/rate as much as you want i'm in need of some help
(but please try not to tell me to switch pokemon, unless you seriously think it's neccesary, thanks =) )

----

[email protected] Sludge (i don't have the item yet but i am going to get it for him)
-Mean Look
-Toxic
-Fly
-Confuse Ray

What role does this Crobat play? It should be a sweeper. And Fly sucks.

[email protected] nothing as of now (suggestions?)
-Eruption
-Subsitute
-Focus Punch
-Earthquake

Looks fine, although I've never seen anything like it.

[email protected] Lens
-Waterfall
-Dragon Dance
-Ice Beam
-Hydro Pump
(i don't think i'm going to need a lot of help on Kingdra any more, unless there's something to replace hydro Pump with considering i have Waterfall already)

Since you're already using Dragon Dance, you should at least have one more Physical move. And BTW, Surf over Hydro Pump.

[email protected] nothing right now (suggestions?)
-Flash Cannon
-Magnet Rise
-Zap Cannon
-Lock On

Again, I need to know this guy's role. If it's a Sweeper, then don't use it - it's too slow.

[email protected] Ball
-Shadow Ball
-Embargo
-Psychic
-Trick

Banette is for Physical moves only. And what is an Iron Ball doing on it?

[email protected] nothing right now?
-Stone Edge
-Iron Tail
-Stealth Rock
-Double Edge

OK. Gyro Ball over Iron Tail. And take that Iron Ball off Banette and give it to this guy.

alrighty there they are!

Corrections in bold. Please post the roles of your Pokemon; it's confusing to see which is which. And where is the Rapid Spinner? And Hazer/P-hazer (I never knew what P-haze stood for :/)?

oreobytes November 10th, 2007 7:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3069586)
I'd say replace SR with rest.
Bannete does almost nothing for this team. If you want a trick user:

Zam @ Choice Specs
Trait: Synchronize
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Psychic
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast
- Trick

I think it is...

alright, i replaced stealth rock with rest, but i still want to keep banette and i've been trying to find a better moveset/strategy with him, cuz Trick wasn't working obviously hahaha
the ones i'm having problems with now are Magnezone and Banette...

Anti November 10th, 2007 7:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkknight316 (Post 3069606)
Corrections in bold. Please post the roles of your Pokemon; it's confusing to see which is which. And where is the Rapid Spinner?

lol

It's pretty obvious what the roles are. I guess I'm supposed to puit -SPECIAL WALL- on blissey now? Sorry, but that's rediculous. I can answer that question for you; magnezone is a great boltbeam resist and skarm counter, and can boltbeam itself. Basically a special tank.

For the record, fly is for the annoyer crobat...though it fails, it actually was standard on it O_o

If you would've btohered to read, iron ball is to use trick and slow down opposing sweepers :/

eDIT: Sorry, got nothing on banette. I'm teh n00b with banette, so...it's just a poor NU poke that dies in OUs. I'd replace, unless you find a really good way to use it.

oreobytes November 10th, 2007 7:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3069620)
lol

It's pretty obvious what the roles are. I guess I'm supposed to puit -SPECIAL WALL- on blissey now? Sorry, but that's rediculous. I can answer that question for you; magnezone is a great boltbeam resist and skarm counter, and can boltbeam itself. Basically a special tank.

For the record, fly is for the annoyer crobat...though it fails, it actually was standard on it O_o

If you would've btohered to read, iron ball is to use trick and slow down opposing sweepers :/

eDIT: Sorry, got nothing on banette. I'm teh n00b with banette, so...it's just a poor NU poke that dies in OUs. I'd replace, unless you find a really good way to use it.

Yea my crobat was going to be an annoyer, i chagned his moveset to toxic, air slash, confuse ray, and sludge bomb for now...

also yea magnezone was going to be my special tank, but what is the boltbeam stuff? is the boltbeam moveset the one you gave me with thunderwave, thunderbolt, sub, and flash cannon?

and yea, it's ok! i'll figure out something with banette or find something to replace him with, i like ghost pokemon on my team (at least one) and he seemed good....but maybe i'll reconsider!

Anti November 10th, 2007 7:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oreobytes (Post 3069666)
Yea my crobat was going to be an annoyer, i chagned his moveset to toxic, air slash, confuse ray, and sludge bomb for now...

No...run nasty plot for a special sweeper. shadow ball is your friend with that one...

also yea magnezone was going to be my special tank, but what is the boltbeam stuff? is the boltbeam moveset the one you gave me with thunderwave, thunderbolt, sub, and flash cannon?

boltbeam is the combo of ice beam and thunderbolt. Magnezone can mock-boltbeam with HP ice and thunderbolt. HP ice over flash cannon if you have the patience...

and yea, it's ok! i'll figure out something with banette or find something to replace him with, i like ghost pokemon on my team (at least one) and he seemed good....but maybe i'll reconsider!

Dusknoir or gengar rock. they also are fun for switching into rapid spin.

There...and magnezone is teh pwnz0rz, it actually is. It traps skarm with magnet pull and then lols at it. Oh, the fun!

Azonic November 11th, 2007 5:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3069586)
I'd say replace SR with rest.
Bannete does almost nothing for this team. If you want a trick user:

Zam @ Choice Specs
Trait: Synchronize
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Psychic
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast
- Trick

I think it is...

Yep. Thats it. TrickSpecsZam gets rid of a lot of Special Walls like Blissey. It can really get annoying when Blissey has to use one move. If its stuck with a defensive move, that will cause a switch, then Zam can pretty much sweep through the rest of the team since the Special Wall is out.

Arsibiyez November 11th, 2007 6:31 AM

I still don't see the point of putting Iron Ball on Steelix after it was suggested TWICE and after it was mentioned that it does NOT lower speed, ergo, does NOT increase Gyro Ball's power. Just give Steelix a Brave nature and you're set, unless you're not into that kinda stuff.

But, hey! There's a new... newbie in the community! Respectful and considerate to raters... That's so cool. We're getting more of those these days. Good for you, for us, and the rest of the community.

For your ghost Pokemon, I suggest as a special tank:

Mismagius @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
Modest Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Energy Ball / Hidden Power [Ice] / Will-o-Wisp / Calm Mind / Destiny Bond / Shadow Sneak
- Shadow Ball
- Pain Split

Azonic November 11th, 2007 6:34 AM

Macho Brace, however, will half Steelix's speed and therefore resulting in a stronger Gyro Ball.

Kingdra

- Surf / Waterfall
- Icebeam
- Rain Dance
- Dragon Pulse / Hidden Power [ELECTRIC]

Arsibiyez November 11th, 2007 6:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Azonic (Post 3071111)
Macho Brace, however, will half Steelix's speed and therefore resulting in a stronger Gyro Ball.

Kingdra

- Surf / Waterfall
- Icebeam
- Rain Dance
- Dragon Pulse / Hidden Power [ELECTRIC]

Reducing Spd with nature seems like a simpler way, and Lefties would still be better IMHO, but you make a good point.

I'd say "no" to the physical Kingdra. Therefore, Surf >>> Waterfall. DD on Kingdra would be useless. The Atk bonus would only benefit the 7, that's right, 7 physical moves Kingdra learns, and the Spd bonus would be next to useless in rain.

Azonic November 11th, 2007 6:58 AM

Waterfall takes care of a lot of Special Walls like Blissey. I still don't see why its so bad.

Anti November 11th, 2007 7:07 AM

Waterfall is decent for getting blisey, but it has a pretty decent shot at outstalling you anyways, unless you've DDed so much it can't really do anything.

As for steelix, iron ball and macho brace ar both a waste really...if steelix can't heal with lefties, it'll have a tough time. Not to mention that without rest or wish support, steelix will easily get smoked.

Arsibiyez November 11th, 2007 7:19 AM

@Azonic:
It's just that so many other Pokemon pull it off better than Kingdra. Salamence or Garchomp, for example. Those are good mixed sweepers. And Kingdra's physical movepool is just too small, and the best moves I can see besides Waterfall are Return/Frustration and Flail. Ludicolo walls this well, I'm afraid, and so might Bronzong. But if it's for the novelty and necessity of taking down Special Walls or just Blissey in particular, it could still work.


@Anti-Pop
It only takes 3-4 Seismic Tosses to get rid of Kingdra. If Kingdra can't buff up enough to take down Blissey in 3 turns with DDs and a Waterfall, then it's done for. I can't imagine Kingdra winning a face-off with Blissey, unless Scope Lens was allowed and the Waterfall with Sniper bonus OHKO's Blissey.


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