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Improfane November 11th, 2007 3:52 AM

Do you save before you try?
 
I've just realized that saving before trying something is basically cheating.

You can go through the entire game without losing one battle in this way. You have lots of money. When you turn the gameboy off, you're essentially admitting a lose and turning it off to stop it happening.

How many of you do this?

I admit, I do but am considering starting anew to stop doing it - I'm sure it will make it that much more challenging. You lose, you make do with less cash!

Gulpin November 11th, 2007 6:13 AM

Yeah when I first started playing I was probably the biggest idiot, and I didn't even think of it. But now I do it when I remember to. I only do it before big things like: Somtimes Battling my rival ; Cynthia ; and Legends.

Eruption November 11th, 2007 6:15 AM

I only save before them so I can switch off if the worst happens against Legends.

In a way, it is cheating.

bitter_doom November 11th, 2007 6:17 AM

its cheating hands down :\

SilencedShooter November 11th, 2007 7:01 AM

I always save before confronting a legendary. I don't wanna waste all my ultra balls and then have to kill it, just try again.

Ivysaur November 11th, 2007 8:08 AM

Cheating? Ok, I think that shutting down the power when you lose, it's cheating, because you are avoiding a punishment... but I don't consider it cheating when I save before a legendary. Mainly because it has been realy encouraged, even by official guides.

JX Valentine November 11th, 2007 10:00 AM

Depends on the conditions. If I'm partway through the E4, and I'm about to lose, there's no way on this great, green earth that I'm going to fight my way through the E4 again to get back to the point where I was. (In other words, I'm lazy. Yes, it's cheating a little, but when the Champion decides to be a prick and take me down with him using status conditions and/or insane luck, I'd most likely be too blinking annoyed to go through four trainers again just to kick his tail for that trick.) Likewise, I always save in front of a legendary because I have a strange tendency to make a once-per-game Pokemon faint about fifteen times before I finally capture the stupid thing, thus meaning I fail at life.

For minor trainers, no, I don't save.

Silhouette November 11th, 2007 10:29 AM

I've always done it. Never thought about it, though.. I just thought it was a basic thing everyone knew about.

I do it on other games, too, like Final Fantasy. I don't really consider it cheating, or they would've some how changed it.

oreobytes November 11th, 2007 10:40 AM

i do it before legendaries, sometimes gym leaders too. i never thought anything of it though and still don't think it's cheating, i think it's being smart hahaha

Red1530 November 11th, 2007 10:59 AM

I only do it before confronting one - off Pokemon.

Scales November 12th, 2007 4:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oreobytes (Post 3071906)
i do it before legendaries, sometimes gym leaders too. i never thought anything of it though and still don't think it's cheating, i think it's being smart hahaha

Exactly. How is it cheating to save your game before any battle? I have to admit I save every so often because I am afraid my power will run out. Case in point I beat the game quickly without losing money. Its called being smart not cheating. Since the game gives it and encourages you do it you are only smart if you do it. Your not cheating

evil saltine November 12th, 2007 6:23 PM

You have to consider that when you reset you lose all the EXP. gained so far, so you're saving money but also wasting more time.

oreobytes November 12th, 2007 6:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JBCPeace (Post 3076112)
Exactly. How is it cheating to save your game before any battle? I have to admit I save every so often because I am afraid my power will run out. Case in point I beat the game quickly without losing money. Its called being smart not cheating. Since the game gives it and encourages you do it you are only smart if you do it. Your not cheating

Yea! Totally, that's like in almost ANY other game too...
nintendo, sony, microsoft consoles etc or any other handheld console games as well they give you the save option for a reason and usually encourage you to save before you go to a 'boss' or something similar...(there's only a few w/o a save option)

agent destroyer November 12th, 2007 7:05 PM

i only do it for ledgenarys because the battles are really hard and the elite four

Bejesus November 13th, 2007 7:18 AM

Yes, i 'cheat' but i've never considered it like that. It's there for you to use, use it smartly. In other games and guides they encourage/force you to save before certain events. lol yes that's already been said and thanks for it lol. I do the same in GTA, never died once as a result.

Some times in Pokemon i let myself die, usually when i die near the end of the Elite Four and i ganied a good amount of EXP that is worth it.

Anyway, does this mean Soft Reseting is cheating? You do save before a certain point and give yourself a better chance of getting a shiny.

Improfane November 13th, 2007 7:58 AM

The feature is there so you don't lose your progress between playing and for hard games, so you can try multiple times.
Quote:

Its called being smart not cheating. Since the game gives it and encourages you do it you are only smart if you do it. Your not cheating
Yeah, I suppose it's smart because you're taking the easy route. I am not a big fan of games where you die and that's it and you can't continue anymore. However, you are a smarter person if you're able to go through the game without falling back on saves before FAILING.

If Pokemon remembered the wins and loses of the game, most savers would have 0 loses. This is clearly not true, they turned it off to stop all those loses.

STEELIXMANIAC November 13th, 2007 8:03 AM

Eh. No. The only time to "cheat" is before catching a legendary. =P

I think soft resetting could be considered cheating, but it really depends on what you use it for. I almost never reset before a fight, but I do save before an important battle. (Hate to run out of battery power at the wrong time, right?)

SilencedShooter November 13th, 2007 11:31 AM

I never lose to in game trainers, they are seriously way too easy.

Sora_8920 November 13th, 2007 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by orange (Post 3078214)
I never lose to in game trainers, they are seriously way too easy.

This. Seriously. Nobody, even if they had the n00biest Movesets, would lose. Maybe E4, but still, that's only if you're underleveled. Which most people just try to be as overleveled as possible when facing In-Game Trainers.

Silhouette November 14th, 2007 1:01 PM

Besides, I hardly ever stop at pokecenters, so if i die, I dont wanna go all the way back!

Oni Link November 14th, 2007 1:31 PM

I save before Legendaries, and Gym Leaders.
so I guess I'm a cheater!

Jiranis November 14th, 2007 2:01 PM

I save before evreything and evrey 30 minutes. i tame pride in my game time.
But.. I havent lost a story battle in two years.
Even the sinnoh "1337" 4 i creamed when i expected to lose with 1 lvl 55.

Gary, the Magic Fairy November 14th, 2007 4:08 PM

I don't see how you can call it cheating. It was placed in the game purposely, and is encouraged by the makers of game. Last I checked, that would be defined as a feature. That would be like playing Grand Theft Auto, and getting through the game without weapons. They make the game alot easier, but calling using them cheating is just incorrect.

EvanMiesterX November 14th, 2007 4:32 PM

i only save before legendaries, and before the champion the first time i i go through the elite four (no point, really, because i beat them every time) the only reason i save before legends is because i usually kill them once or twice before i actually catch them (i learned this the hard way when i killed suicune in my gold, so i never got one)

Zeturic November 14th, 2007 4:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kenji-kun (Post 3081334)
I don't see how you can call it cheating. It was placed in the game purposely, and is encouraged by the makers of game. Last I checked, that would be defined as a feature. That would be like playing Grand Theft Auto, and getting through the game without weapons. They make the game alot easier, but calling using them cheating is just incorrect.

How is it not cheating? Here, I'll use a (slightly) real world example:
Say you played baseball with someone named, say, Jon. Jon looses and is all upset, so he decides to reset time so he can practice more and win without you knowing about ever winning against him.
Would you call that cheating? I would.
And thats what saving does. You battle, lose, Reset the game so no-one remembers and its like it never happened, train, and finally win.


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