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For Shoddy Battle
I've been practicing on Shoddy Battle and I want to imporve my team, please help.
Ninjask (♂) @ Leftovers Ability: Speed Boost EVs: 252 Atk/252 Spd Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk) - Baton Pass - Substitute - Swords Dance - X-Scissor BPassing Lead --- Porygonz @ Life Orb Ability: Adaptability EVs: 252 Spd/252 SAtk Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk) - Ice Beam - Nasty Plot - Thunderbolt - Tri Attack Special Sweeper, works nicely with Speed Passes --- Donphan (♂) @ Leftovers Ability: Sturdy EVs: 252 HP/6 Atk/252 Def Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk) - Rapid Spin - Ice Shard - Counter - Roar Physical Wall, Rapid Spinner, survives hits and sends them back with Counter, when I set up SR it roars for damage. --- Blissey (♀) @ Leftovers Ability: Natural Cure EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/6 SDef Bold nature (+Def, -Atk) - Stealth Rock - Seismic Toss - Softboiled - Aromatherapy Cleric, Tank a SRocker --- Electivire (♂) @ Expert Belt Ability: Motor Drive EVs: 252 Atk/158 Spd/100 SAtk Naive nature (+Atk, -SDef) - Cross Chop - Ice Punch - Thunderbolt - Flamethrower Mixed Sweeper, no one expects Flamethrower, specially Skarm --- Rampardos (♂) @ Choice Scarf Ability: Mold Breaker EVs: 6 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk) - Earthquake - Pursuit - Stone Edge - Thrash Physical Sweeper, Rock Polish doesn't work for me, he sweeped a whole team with 2 Speed Passes and Choice Scarf, did 1517 damage on Ninjask, outsped and killed a Gyarados after 1 DDance, and killed a Cresselia which heale almost every turn.Pursuit for switchers who think of him as weak prey, and EQ for levitators. --- |
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Well Ninjask, with the right EVs and IVs, can get 4 subs in without dying, so leftovers will destroy that balance. If say, you gave it a Petaya berry, then it hits one HP and then absorbs the special attack boost, which will get BPed over to Porygon-Z for example.
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Hey what is shoddy battle?
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Its a 4th Gen Battle Simulator, you dont need to EV train or breed or anything, but it has no move actions or anything.
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I've never seen it here. Were is this?
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Type "shoddy battle" on Google and you'll find it.
Run this for you Vire: [email protected] Orb Trait: Motor Drive Mild nature(+Sp.Atk -Def) EVs: 72Atk / 252Sp.Atk / 184Spd Thunderbolt HP [Grass] Flamethrower Cross Chop The best Vire set, period. Thrash is meh on Rampardos.......... |
I would go Avalanche over Thrash personally, good to have Ice Moves, plus Pampardos doesnt have amaerific speed.
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Um, I think for grabbing its best potential the classic Skarmbliss killer works best. This just works for surprising opponents. And HP Ice>HP Grass. |
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No, for that bolded part. Just? No, it is a standard set is is the best one out of all the sets. Case closed. Trial dismissed. >_> |
Ok, Flamehaze, thats jumping the gun. When have you used this set? I've never seen it, so obviously, its not standard. And, Im not a newb, I've been here for a pretty long time. So, evidently, It may not be the best. yes, it looks good, but I would go Earthquake over Hidden Power Grass, Thunderbolt covers water types, and Earthquake covers Ground, and has more power. Close Combat covers Rock. That typing is worthless.
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Well i wouldn't say it's worthless but, uh that thing you said on Grass doesn't make sense. Cross Chop and Thunderbolt cover Water and Rock, Ice would cover ground but you'd get the added bonus of Dragon Coverage. I don't think Cross Chop is worth it here, Might as well use Focus Blast and run a complete Special Set, I know your thinking Skarmbliss but there are better at it than this. And Why would you go mild? Rash works better here. Electivire needs Defense more than Sp. Defense. |
That is going overboard. The best? Period? What the hell? Where did you get the proof for such a bold claim? There is no way thats a standard, let alone the BEST one. The standard is
Electrivire T-bolt EQ Cross Chop Ice Punch Its a SkarmBliss killer. No questions asked. That was very rude, shooting off as your creative set is the ultimate set, & everyone uses it. |
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Obviously you guys need to study more.
HP [Grass] 0HKOs Swampert who would otherwise wall your set. It 2HKOs Hippo and Donphan. Ice Punch 3HKOs even with Adamant and max attack IVs. Flamethrower kills Forry/Skarm/Meta/Jirachi and most importantly Bronzong who can wall all the other sets. The extra special attack makes Thunderbolt stronger on things like Slowbro and Suicune. Also, the special set can, if highest damage rate possible, 2HKOs a Cresselia pretty easily. Also it has less counters and unpredictablity. The only drawback is that other Electivire can 0HKO with Earthquake, that's about it. Special Vire covers more ground and it is also a stall team's worse nightmare. The physical one gets walled easily, not to mention Cress walls it. If you'd wish to concur, please do so. |
CONCUR! WHY I AUGHT TO! WE NEED TO STUDY MORE! Ok, Flamehaze, back off and back down. We are the top raters here and need no lip from you, you are not experienced here, and we do NOT listen to you. You shopuld know when you're beat, you;re no big shot around here, and with advice and comments like that, you wont get treated like it anytime soon.
Our set with Earthquake is better than the HP Grass set Rose, and other moves on Ramparados besides Avalanche... Return or Brick Break |
How exactly am I inexperienced? And how exactly am I beat?
You guys haven't even proved a single thing against me. |
WHAT! YOU THINK LEFTOVERS IS BETTER THAN BLACK SLUDGE ON POISON TYPES! THATS PROVING SOMETHING! You are inexperienced, all of your sets are, yes original, but very flawed. And you are beat here, Earthquake over HP Grass, now HAVE I made my self clear, stop being so cocky and try helping without thinking you're the best or better than the other raters, and the person you;re rating.
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First off, enough with your attitude. You've been here only three days. Don't start talking as if your the best one here, or if you saved us. Comments like "Obviously, you need to study more" & "Case Closed. Trial Dismissed" is rude and arrogant. Esoecially since you've been here three days. Get off your high horse.
Despite what that set covers, taking advantage of a base 95 SP.ATK while it has the godly 125 is not the best. My Vileplume walls that pretty easily to either paralyze or put you to sleep, & yes, it can survive Flamethrower. Milotic also walls that, provided it can survive T-bolt. Its not bad at all, but isn't as holy and "the defining set" as you say it is. It is NOT a standard as you say, especially since this is the first we've ever heard of it. |
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If you paid attention to any of my posts then you can see why exactly Leftovers is always better than Black Sludge, unless you are playing idem clause. Better question: Why do you thunk Black Sludge is better than Leftovers? Please feel free to find some flaw in my sets then. Hehe, I'm a cocky little bastard. ;) |
EXACTLY! Oh finally I can report you for foul language too. And BLACK SLUDGE HEALS THE SAME AMOUNT OF HP AS LEFTOVERS, AND CANT BE USED TO HEAL TRICK SWAPPERS!
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Fine. Dusknoir walls that well. Very well. WoW blocks Cross Chopm & it eats your SP.moves up.
That cocky 'I'm smarter' attitude isn't working. There's a respect rule on this forum, you should read it. |
Oh please, I don't think that I'm the "best" here. Don't try to exaggerate.
Lol. But just fyi: Thunderbolt: 76.14% - 89.59% to standard max HP/min Sp.Def Milotic Flamethrower: 59.32% - 69.77% to standard max HP/128Sp.Def Vileplume Thunderbolt: 38.10% - 44.90% to standard max HP/180Sp.Def Dusknoir These things can't "wall" if they can't switch into the attack. Milotic just dies. If Vileplume switches into a Thunderbolt beforehand Flamethrower will 1 hit kill it. Dusknoir can't really switch in and Will-O-Wisp it either, it will get 3HKOed in the process. It will be forced to use Pain Split, and remember that Pain Split isn't the most reliable healing move. Dusknoir will die before Vire runs out of Life Orb juice, unless Vire has suffered some injury beforehand. And only the Dusknoirs geared toward special walling can survive. All the Impish ones geared toward physical defense will get 2HKOed. @Midnight Winged: If they use Trick and they get Black Sludge, they could just as easily Trick that Black Sludge into one of your other walls, thus they lose Leftovers recover and suffer damage every turn. That wall is as good as dead. |
You may not think it, but you definately act like it. You treat us like you have so much better advice then us, and in fact, you dont. Treat everyone with respect, or you will have a very brief stay here at PC.
And if you're stupid enough to fall for getting a Black Sludge given back to you, then you just suck, you can switch in who had the Black Sludge in the first place. |
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