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Sora_8920 November 14th, 2007 4:19 AM

NB.
 
Gengar (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 196 Atk / 184 Spd / 128 SAtk
Hasty Nature (+Spd, -Def)
- Focus Punch
- Ice Punch
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt

Heracross (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Guts
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Brick Break
- Hidden Power [Rock]
- Megahorn
- Sleep Talk

Milotic (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Marvel Scale
EVs: 212 HP / 172 Def / 68 SAtk / 56 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Mirror Coat
- Recover
- Surf

Jirachi @ Leftovers
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 240 HP / 56 Def / 16 Spd / 148 SAtk / 48 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Fire Punch
- Psychic
- Wish

Donphan (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 96 Atk / 160 Def
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Rapid Spin
- Rest
- Rock Slide

Skarmory (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Rest
- Spikes
- Whirlwind

Lumine November 14th, 2007 4:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2007 (Post 3080072)
Gengar (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 196 Atk / 184 Spd / 128 SAtk
Hasty Nature (+Spd, -Def)
- Focus Punch
- Ice Punch
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt

Sub punch Gengar Looks good.

Heracross (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Guts
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Brick Break
- Stone Edge
- Megahorn
- Sleep Talk

Ah I see the Sleep Talk Guts advantage here.

Milotic (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Marvel Scale
EVs: 212 HP / 172 Def / 68 SAtk / 56 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Mirror Coat
- Recover
- Surf

Nuff said


Jirachi @ Leftovers
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 240 HP / 56 Def / 16 Spd / 148 SAtk / 48 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Fire Punch
- Psychic
- Wish

No idea about Ubers.

Donphan (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 96 Atk / 160 Def
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Rapid Spin
- Rest
- Rock Slide / Ice Shard?

Skarmory (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Drill Peck
- Roost
- Spikes
- Whirlwind

Some suggestions are random lawlz XD.

Sora_8920 November 14th, 2007 11:46 AM

This is 3rd Gen NB, not Shoddy 4th Gen. So no Stone edge, Ice Shard, and Drill Peck is not avaible with some Standard Move On Skarm in 3rd Gen. No Roost in 3rd Gen. Jirachi is not Uber.

Anti November 14th, 2007 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2007 (Post 3080072)
Gengar (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 196 Atk / 184 Spd / 128 SAtk
Hasty Nature (+Spd, -Def)
- Focus Punch
- Ice Punch
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt

Fine.

Heracross (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Guts
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Brick Break
- Hidden Power [Rock]
- Megahorn
- Sleep Talk

Fine.

Milotic (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Marvel Scale
EVs: 212 HP / 172 Def / 68 SAtk / 56 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Mirror Coat
- Recover
- Surf

Add a bit more SDef since it's the mirror coat variant.

Jirachi @ Leftovers
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 240 HP / 56 Def / 16 Spd / 148 SAtk / 48 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Fire Punch
- Psychic
- Wish

alright.

Donphan (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 96 Atk / 160 Def
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Rapid Spin
- Rest
- Rock Slide

cool.

Skarmory (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Rest
- Spikes
- Whirlwind

I'd get rid of this or donphan to be honest. Add a little more attack.

Nothing on your team can really stop a boltbeamer. If starmie zaps milotic on the switch, you could be in some trouble. Donphan doesn't do much for this team, except spin, so maybe something else would be better.

MegaDitto November 14th, 2007 12:25 PM

I would use Rock Slide over Hidden Power Rock. Or Earthquake. You could make Heracross an Rest/Sleep Talker pokemon but the sweeper boost is good enough.


Heracross (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Guts
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 124 HP/ 124 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Brick Break
- Rest
- Megahorn
- Sleep Talk

If you are going to have an Hidden Power attack, you might as well make it Hidden Power Rock or Ground. It will be a surprise for Skarmory.

Anti November 14th, 2007 12:27 PM

EQ doesn't do much for Hera, but resttalk is pretty MEAN on it ;) I like focus punch sometimes on CBcross for teh evil of skarm.

Sora_8920 November 14th, 2007 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bleach and Sunshine (Post 3080570)
I would use Rock Slide over Hidden Power Rock. Or Earthquake. You could make Heracross an Rest/Sleep Talker pokemon but the sweeper boost is good enough.


Heracross (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Guts
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 124 HP/ 124 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Brick Break
- Rest
- Megahorn
- Sleep Talk

If you are going to have an Hidden Power attack, you might as well make it Hidden Power Rock or Ground. It will be a surprise for Skarmory.

Oddly enough, that's what I have. :\

Quote:

Heracross (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Guts
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Brick Break
- Hidden Power [Rock]
- Megahorn
- Sleep Talk
@ Anti, that was a Option for the Set, but would Brick Break + Focus Punch really work well? [/question]

Here's my Team. Metagross is my Bolt-Beam Counter. I had to take some Def Ev's from Milotic. Resttalk noted. Brick Break was removed and replaced with Rest.

engar (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 196 Atk / 184 Spd / 128 SAtk
Hasty Nature (+Spd, -Def)
- Focus Punch
- Ice Punch
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt

Heracross (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Guts
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Hidden Power [Rock]
- Megahorn
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

Milotic (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Marvel Scale
EVs: 212 HP / 168 Def / 68 SAtk / 60 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Mirror Coat
- Recover
- Surf

Jirachi @ Leftovers
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 240 HP / 56 Def / 16 Spd / 148 SAtk / 48 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Fire Punch
- Psychic
- Wish

Donphan (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 96 Atk / 160 Def
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Rapid Spin
- Rest
- Rock Slide

Metagross @ Leftovers
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 85 HP / 85 Atk / 85 Def / 85 Spd / 85 SAtk / 85 SDef
Hardy Nature (Neutral)
- Agility
- Earthquake
- Meteor Mash
- Thunderpunch

Anti November 14th, 2007 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2007 (Post 3080592)
Oddly enough, that's what I have. :\

@ Anti, that was a Option for the Set, but would Brick Break + Focus Punch really work well? [/question]

Here's my Team. Metagross is my Bolt-Beam Counter. I had to take some Def Ev's from Milotic. Resttalk noted. Brick Break was removed and replaced with Rest.

Gengar (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 196 Atk / 184 Spd / 128 SAtk
Hasty Nature (+Spd, -Def)
- Focus Punch
- Ice Punch
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt

sure

Heracross (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Guts
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Hidden Power [Rock]
- Megahorn
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

You just sucked up all of heracross' power away eliminating its fierce STAB attack :/

Milotic (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Marvel Scale
EVs: 212 HP / 168 Def / 68 SAtk / 60 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Mirror Coat
- Recover
- Surf

When I said add SDef I didn't mean 4 EVs.

Jirachi @ Leftovers
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 240 HP / 56 Def / 16 Spd / 148 SAtk / 48 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Fire Punch
- Psychic
- Wish

Sure.

Donphan (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 96 Atk / 160 Def
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Rapid Spin
- Rest
- Rock Slide

Metagross @ Leftovers
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 85 HP / 85 Atk / 85 Def / 85 Spd / 85 SAtk / 85 SDef
Hardy Nature (Neutral)
- Agility
- Earthquake
- Meteor Mash
- Thunderpunch

Please change the nature and EVs :0 And lol thunderpunch lol. you already have a skarmbliss counter.

For the record, metagross can't absorb boltbeam very long.

Sora_8920 November 14th, 2007 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3080606)
For the record, metagross can't absorb boltbeam very long.

Oops. Forgot the Nature and everything. It happens, though. :P Edit:

Gengar (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 196 Atk / 184 Spd / 128 SAtk
Hasty Nature (+Spd, -Def)
- Focus Punch
- Ice Punch
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt

Heracross (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Guts
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Hidden Power [Rock]
- Megahorn
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

Milotic (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Marvel Scale
EVs: 212 HP / 168 Def / 68 SAtk / 60 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Mirror Coat
- Recover
- Surf

Jirachi @ Leftovers
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 240 HP / 56 Def / 16 Spd / 148 SAtk / 48 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Fire Punch
- Psychic
- Wish

Donphan (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 96 Atk / 160 Def
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Rapid Spin
- Rest
- Rock Slide

Metagross @ Leftovers
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 140 HP / 252 Atk / 28 Def / 88 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Agility
- Earthquake
- Meteor Mash
- Thunderpunch

MegaDitto November 14th, 2007 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2007 (Post 3080592)
Oddly enough, that's what I have. :\


I'm inferring to Skarmory since you don't have access to Drill Peck.

Quote:

"If you are going to have an Hidden Power attack, you might as well make it Hidden Power Rock or Ground. It will be a surprise for Skarmory."

Anti November 14th, 2007 1:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2007 (Post 3080616)
Oops. Forgot the Nature and everything. It happens, though. :P Edit:

Gengar (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 196 Atk / 184 Spd / 128 SAtk
Hasty Nature (+Spd, -Def)
- Focus Punch
- Ice Punch
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt

yeah

Heracross (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Guts
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Hidden Power [Rock]
- Megahorn
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

still should probably have a STAB, but I guess it's okay.

Milotic (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Marvel Scale
EVs: 212 HP / 168 Def / 68 SAtk / 60 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Mirror Coat
- Recover
- Surf

I am in no mood to repeat myslef. Do you honestly think it can take thunderbolts and mirror coat them with a mere 60 SDef EVs?

Jirachi @ Leftovers
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 240 HP / 56 Def / 16 Spd / 148 SAtk / 48 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Fire Punch
- Psychic
- Wish

Donphan (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 96 Atk / 160 Def
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Rapid Spin
- Rest
- Rock Slide

Metagross @ Leftovers
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 140 HP / 252 Atk / 28 Def / 88 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Agility
- Earthquake
- Meteor Mash
- Thunderpunch

Edit in bold. But really...

Sora_8920 November 14th, 2007 1:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3080686)
Edit in bold. But really...

Is Milotic looking better now?

Gengar (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 196 Atk / 184 Spd / 128 SAtk
Hasty Nature (+Spd, -Def)
- Focus Punch
- Ice Punch
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt

Heracross (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Guts
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Hidden Power [Rock]
- Megahorn
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

Milotic (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Marvel Scale
EVs: 128 HP / 156 Def / 56 SAtk / 144 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Mirror Coat
- Recover
- Surf

Jirachi @ Leftovers
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 240 HP / 56 Def / 16 Spd / 148 SAtk / 48 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Fire Punch
- Psychic
- Wish

Donphan (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 96 Atk / 160 Def
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Rapid Spin
- Rest
- Rock Slide

Metagross @ Leftovers
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 140 HP / 252 Atk / 28 Def / 88 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Agility
- Earthquake
- Meteor Mash
- Thunderpunch 144 Sdef...

Anti November 14th, 2007 4:44 PM

But why is thunderpunch on metagross? Run rock slide or explosion.


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