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Skyon November 14th, 2007 11:46 AM

So Define Ubers....
 
Now... I ain't no noob, I've played the game since Red/Blue.

But eveyone has different ideas about Ubers.

People say no mew, no celebi, no Jirachi, but they will still use a Dragonite, Tyrannitar, and a Garchomp, which all have the same base stats. As a veteran at the game I knew this for a long time, and dont understand why people will use them if they don't want to fight a mew or a manaphy. I think those above (the dragons) should be banned as well, because their base is really high.

In my category, they are also ubers.

Eruption November 14th, 2007 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skyon (Post 3080470)
Now... I ain't no noob, I've played the game since Red/Blue.

But eveyone has different ideas about Ubers.

People say no mew, no celebi, no Jirachi, but they will still use a Dragonite, Tyrannitar, and a Garchomp, which all have the same base stats. As a veteran at the game I knew this for a long time, and dont understand why people will use them if they don't want to fight a mew or a manaphy. I think those above (the dragons) should be banned as well, because their base is really high.

In my category, they are also ubers.

Ty,Drag and Garchomp don't have max base stats, do they?

Silhouette November 14th, 2007 1:13 PM

Yea, my Jirachi is sort of strong, but not "uberish". *sigh* I really wanna use it..

Shiny Umbreon November 14th, 2007 1:14 PM

Just for the note, Jirachi and Celebi are not Ubers.

And this goes in Strategies & Movesets.
-MOVED-

Milke November 14th, 2007 1:15 PM

I think of ubers as any pokemon that is extremely hard to kill. With tons of base stats, an awesome movepool and only two weakness which it can counter easily, Mewtwo is definately an uber. I don't think of Jirachi as one, though.

Sora_8920 November 14th, 2007 1:18 PM

Well, Jirachi and Celebi are not Uber for a reason: They only have 100 in all their Stats. OU Pokemon such as Garchomp and DDnite can clearly destroy them. Fire Blast is an automatic win over Jirachi. Celebi, however, is Special, so Fire Fang equals win.

Angelic Diablo November 14th, 2007 1:21 PM

Garchomp. Salamence and Tyranitar aren't ubers due to having 4x weaknesses that are easily to exploit

Celebi isn't uber because it has a huge number of weaknesses (something in the double digits I believe)

Manaphy is an uber because Rest + Hydration = free heal, coupled with Tail Glow and backed by rain, only water absorbers can really stop it from Surfing everything to death

Skyon November 14th, 2007 1:43 PM

Okay that makes some sense now.

Cool.

I didn't know uber-ism was based off of types, just stats. Well I know now...

Shiraishi November 14th, 2007 2:15 PM

Tiers lists are made based on: stats,movepool,typing and ability. The ability part is for a certain evil pokemon called Wobbuffet.

sims796 November 14th, 2007 2:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Skyon (Post 3080856)
Okay that makes some sense now.

Cool.

I didn't know uber-ism was based off of types, just stats. Well I know now...

Also by ability (Manaphy for example), & movepool, as well as stats.

Wobbuffet is an uber. With Focus Band & Max HP, plus Shadow Tag & Retalitory movepool + Destiny Bond, when it goes out, its taking two of YOUR pokes with it.

J-Rad November 14th, 2007 3:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Spicy (Post 3080729)
Yea, my Jirachi is sort of strong, but not "uberish". *sigh* I really wanna use it..

then get netbattle were jirachi pwns

Anti November 14th, 2007 5:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperKyogreRuler (Post 3080741)
I think of ubers as any pokemon that is extremely hard to kill. With tons of base stats, an awesome movepool and only two weakness which it can counter easily, Mewtwo is definately an uber. I don't think of Jirachi as one, though.

Guess blissey is uber now.

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Originally Posted by Itachi 2007 (Post 3080754)
Well, Jirachi and Celebi are not Uber for a reason: They only have 100 in all their Stats. OU Pokemon such as Garchomp and DDnite can clearly destroy them. Fire Blast is an automatic win over Jirachi. Celebi, however, is Special, so Fire Fang equals win.

Fire blast > Jirachi? lol calm mind and wish lol

Celebi has lots of Def pumped into it. Sorry, but those two, with suicune, are hands-down the best special tanks in the game. Saying Chomp and Dragonite destroy them is rubbish.

Sorry, but a pokemon with 100 in every stat (base stats wise), access to heal bell, leech seed, SD and CM passing, not to mention natural cure as an ability...gets creamed by an obverrrated dragon and a fat dragon? I don't think so...

Syaoran November 14th, 2007 5:27 PM

Jirachi has a common weakness which is Earthquake, and any hard hitting E-qer will kill it, unless it goes for an extremely bulky Def EV set. Same goes for fire moves, but they are less common.

Celebi has a x4 weakness to Bug moves, which makes him not hard to kill with all them U-turners wondering around. However I won't argue that he can be quite annoying to deal with.

Anti November 14th, 2007 5:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Syaoran (Post 3081617)
Jirachi has a common weakness which is Earthquake, and any hard hitting E-qer will kill it, unless it goes for an extremely bulky Def EV set. Same goes for fire moves, but they are less common.

Celebi has a x4 weakness to Bug moves, which makes him not hard to kill with all them U-turners wondering around. However I won't argue that he can be quite annoying to deal with.

An inteligent post for once! OMG OMG

Any hera pwns the crap out of celebi, and yeah, EQers kill jirachi with ease. *sigh* which is why they aren't uber. Both are beasts :)

Enatia November 14th, 2007 5:52 PM

my opinion of an uber is a pokemon with drastically higher base stats than the normal pokemon and an exceptional move-pool.

so a pokemon with very high base stats and that can learn very good moves = uber.

sims796 November 14th, 2007 5:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3081631)
An inteligent post for once! OMG OMG

Any hera pwns the crap out of celebi, and yeah, EQers kill jirachi with ease. *sigh* which is why they aren't uber. Both are beasts :)

That was unecessary.

As for Entala, we've discussed, by fact, what ubers are.

Anti November 14th, 2007 5:58 PM

Alright, I'll cut it out ;)

Thing with ubers is, people run around with different definitions, which causes a lot of confusion among people. that's why I hate this topic, it can get painfully confusing for some.

Also, the whole legendary/uber confusion causes even more...well...confusion. lol

sims796 November 14th, 2007 6:01 PM

People NEED to realize is that ubers isn't a matter of opinion. It doesn't matter what you (not particularly YOU, Anti, but YOU as a whole) "think" an uber is. By fact that I'm to lazy to repeat,it has been said what an uber is.

Anti November 14th, 2007 6:29 PM

Yeah. But meh, I'm too tired and stressed out to even remember the exact definition. I bleive it's a dominating movepool, statsm typing, ability, and usually 9though not always) a base stat total of 600 or over, though there are obviously many exceptions: Jirachi, celebi, wobby, slaking...

though I don't think wynaut should be uber. It isn't as defensively dominating as Wobby and is actually pretty easy to deal with.

Arcknight316 November 14th, 2007 7:07 PM

Tyranitar can be killed with any common fighting move.
Garchomp/Dragonite/Salamence with ice.

Manaphy is Uber because of Rest + Hydration + Rain Dance

Darkrai is Uber because its Sp. Atk and Spd are design to kill quick and painlessly.

Deoxys is Uber because its Stats are shaped in a way that it is really high in somethng, but terrible in the other. Defense Deoxys is hard to kill, and the other Deoxys's are fast and powerful enough to kill extremely fast and hard. REALLY hard.

Faceless* November 14th, 2007 7:14 PM

Aw no.. no NO NO NO NO NO!!

Uber: Mewtwo, Mew, Wobbuffet, Lugia, Ho-oh, Latias, Latios, Kyogre, Groudon, Rayquaza, Deoxys, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Manaphy, Darkrai, Arceus

Those are your ubers, anything not included in here isn't uber

Arcknight316 November 14th, 2007 8:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Name (Post 3081859)
Aw no.. no NO NO NO NO NO!!

Uber: Mewtwo, Mew, Wobbuffet, Lugia, Ho-oh, Latias, Latios, Kyogre, Groudon, Rayquaza, Deoxys, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Manaphy, Darkrai, Arceus

Those are your ubers, anything not included in here isn't uber

BTW, guys, [email protected] are only Uber with the Soul Dew.

flamehaze94 November 14th, 2007 8:38 PM

[email protected] and Latios are UBERs with or without Soul Dew.

Arcknight316 November 14th, 2007 9:13 PM

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Originally Posted by flamehaze94 (Post 3082030)
[email protected] and Latios are UBERs with or without Soul Dew.

W/ the Soul Dew, they are. W/o, they aren't. Some still consider them too good for the metagame, though. BTW, I hope I'm using the term "metagame" correctly, as I've never figured out what it meant exactly.

Arsibiyez November 15th, 2007 1:12 AM

flamehaze, the term "[email protected]" already refers to both of the Lati-twins. That's why we use the @ symbol because it looks like an "a" and an "o" at the same time. And they are only worthy to be called "uber" if they are equipped with Soul Dew since this makes their SAtk and SDef some of the highest in the game. (DeapSeaTooth Clamperl also has what is arguably the highest SAtk in the game.)

Regigigas, although it has monstrous stats, doesn't have as vast a movepool as some of the favorite Normal-types in the game, such as Blissey. Plus, it's ability of Slow Start allows for opponents to setup enough for Regigigas to be little threat. It is, however, capable of taking hits for the first few turns, and de-activate the Slow Start trait. IMO, Regigigas is a very underrated Pokemon.


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